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Post by sabre14 on Apr 12, 2015 20:23:35 GMT -5
"Crash And Burn" debuts at #48 on MB this week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 20:58:36 GMT -5
"Crash And Burn" debuts at #48 on MB this week. I'm projecting a #38 debut on Billboard tomorrow, just ahead of Big & Rich, Mickey Guyton, and Lady Antebellum.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 13, 2015 16:57:35 GMT -5
Wow, second most added on MB this week with 36 adds...still two weeks before the official "add date".
My qualms about this song obviously fly over the heads of country radio, as this one is looking like a huge hit for Thomas.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Apr 13, 2015 17:21:46 GMT -5
Ugh! This songs early success is just nauseating to me. I keep trying to reassure myself that the genre might be slowly turning around with some decent tracks actually charting now. But I just find Thomas Rhett , Sam Hunt & Kelsea Ballerini (among others) to be grotesquely miscategorized. Why can't they just split the damn format already?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 21:34:20 GMT -5
This one was already up to #46 on Mediabase yesterday, but today it fell out of the top 50, as all the airplay that iHeartRadio gave it last week Tuesday is no longer counted in the rolling totals.
Still, the early signs suggest that this will be a big hit. I expect Thomas to still post a net gain for the week. On Billboard I think he'll pass Chase Rice, and that'll move him up to #37. But then he'll for sure gain another spot with Cole Swindell set to go recurrent, and he could gain even more if either Joe Nichols or Josh Turner finally collapses. So #36 is the lowest I expect Thomas to be on Monday's upcoming Billboard chart.
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Post by Zazie on Apr 15, 2015 22:59:02 GMT -5
^ You're right, because there are so many weak songs in this part of the chart. Why isn't Lady Ant gaining enough ground to move back ahead of Rhett? There are still a couple of songs capable doing that, but even with the loss of their first-week spin days, this one looks like it will post a gain. I see lots of reasons to think this will be a big hit.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 19, 2015 9:17:13 GMT -5
This met my expectations.
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Post by wilbur on Apr 20, 2015 21:52:45 GMT -5
This is one of those songs that the more times you listen the more you like it!
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 21, 2015 10:20:54 GMT -5
Weird to see a song debut inside the Top 40 its first week, then fall below the next week. I think the only other song to do that is "(You Want to) Make a Memory" by Bon Jovi, which debuted at #39 on 4/7/07 and fell to #42 the next week. Strange chart run: 39-42-35-40-39-38-44-45-gone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 10:32:12 GMT -5
Weird to see a song debut inside the Top 40 its first week, then fall below the next week. I think the only other song to do that is "(You Want to) Make a Memory" by Bon Jovi, which debuted at #39 on 4/7/07 and fell to #42 the next week. Strange chart run: 39-42-35-40-39-38-44-45-gone. It's because this song got most of its airplay on Tuesday the 7th at Clear Channel stations, and then it didn't get nearly as much airplay on Tuesday the 14th. It's pretty similar to how most hourly Clear Channel premieres often go backwards or bullet-less in their 2nd week, with the only difference being that Rhett's CC debut wasn't once an hour, every hour. Also, you're wrong, there was another song that did almost the exact same thing last summer :) (same circumstances). Justin Moore's "Home Sweet Home" debuted at #39 on the Billboard chart dated July 19, then fell to #45 in its 2nd week, with a loss of 1.5 million in audience.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Apr 21, 2015 10:48:12 GMT -5
^ You're right, I totally forgot about Home Sweet Home. Then again, I only heard that one about twice, yet WATZ played the snot out of Make a Memory.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 21, 2015 11:02:47 GMT -5
Weird to see a song debut inside the Top 40 its first week, then fall below the next week. I think the only other song to do that is "(You Want to) Make a Memory" by Bon Jovi, which debuted at #39 on 4/7/07 and fell to #42 the next week. Strange chart run: 39-42-35-40-39-38-44-45-gone. It's because this song got most of its airplay on Tuesday the 7th at Clear Channel stations, and then it didn't get nearly as much airplay on Tuesday the 14th. It's pretty similar to how most hourly Clear Channel premieres often go backwards or bullet-less in their 2nd week, with the only difference being that Rhett's CC debut wasn't once an hour, every hour. Also, you're wrong, there was another song that did almost the exact same thing last summer :) (same circumstances). Justin Moore's "Home Sweet Home" debuted at #39 on the Billboard chart dated July 19, then fell to #45 in its 2nd week, with a loss of 1.5 million in audience. It's also 'going for adds' this coming Monday. This one and Brett's new single may fight for song of the summer 2015 (with "House Party" from Sam Hunt).
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Post by dm2081 on Apr 21, 2015 11:26:11 GMT -5
It's because this song got most of its airplay on Tuesday the 7th at Clear Channel stations, and then it didn't get nearly as much airplay on Tuesday the 14th. It's pretty similar to how most hourly Clear Channel premieres often go backwards or bullet-less in their 2nd week, with the only difference being that Rhett's CC debut wasn't once an hour, every hour. Also, you're wrong, there was another song that did almost the exact same thing last summer :) (same circumstances). Justin Moore's "Home Sweet Home" debuted at #39 on the Billboard chart dated July 19, then fell to #45 in its 2nd week, with a loss of 1.5 million in audience. It's also 'going for adds' this coming Monday. This one and Brett's new single may fight for song of the summer 2015 (with "House Party" from Sam Hunt). Don't forget about new Jake Owen and Luke Bryan songs too, in addition to "Sangria" which is already exploding up the charts.
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Post by rsmatto on Apr 21, 2015 11:44:15 GMT -5
It's also 'going for adds' this coming Monday. This one and Brett's new single may fight for song of the summer 2015 (with "House Party" from Sam Hunt). Don't forget about new Jake Owen and Luke Bryan songs too, in addition to "Sangria" which is already exploding up the charts. Yes, lots of summer-y songs. The thing is, I think these three songs will have longer runs on the chart. I guess Kid Rocks "First Kiss" could be a summer anthem for some too (it's too "Summer of 69" for me).
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Post by carriekins on May 2, 2015 13:19:01 GMT -5
I never thought I'd say this, but this sounds more out of place on country radio than Sam Hunt's entire discography. What a damn joke.
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Post by sabre14 on May 3, 2015 12:22:02 GMT -5
I never thought I'd say this, but this sounds more out of place on country radio than Sam Hunt's entire discography. What a damn joke. After hearing this on the radio for the first time today, I concur. I can't stand this song. The production is pure pop and his vocals in those verses are atrocious.
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Post by Kentucky25 on May 3, 2015 15:59:38 GMT -5
I heard this song twice in like a hour span. Radio is burning it up here.
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Post by nick64 on May 6, 2015 22:38:28 GMT -5
I actually like this quite a bit. It's damn catchy, and the lyrics are pretty good. That said, it's not country at all. Now I strongly believe that Sam Hunt's singles belong at country radio, each with the potential to cross over, but this one really is just a pop song. Unfortunately though, pop would never accept a song from a country artist if it didn't hit on country first, but that's just the way this screwed up industry is I still want it to do well on country though, because I do like the song and I'd like to see it cross over to pop eventually.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 10:50:18 GMT -5
More about this song, including more tidbits regarding Chris Stapleton and Gary Allan, from today's mid-week Billboard update: www.billboard.com/files/pdfs/bcu_mw_0507.pdfI imagine that Stapleton's demo of the song is completely different from the finished product that Rhett and his producers created.
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Post by tonyei31 on May 7, 2015 11:44:11 GMT -5
More about this song, including more tidbits regarding Chris Stapleton and Gary Allan, from today's mid-week Billboard update: www.billboard.com/files/pdfs/bcu_mw_0507.pdfI imagine that Stapleton's demo of the song is completely different from the finished product that Rhett and his producers created. I am actually coming around to this song. For some reason it is extremely catchy. These quotes basically concede that Rhett knows he can't perform the vocals that Stapleton can. I like the fact the guy can admit it. I don't like a ton of Rhett's music I have been a fan here and there, especially with the well written "Beer with Jesus" song.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on May 7, 2015 12:02:10 GMT -5
More about this song, including more tidbits regarding Chris Stapleton and Gary Allan, from today's mid-week Billboard update: www.billboard.com/files/pdfs/bcu_mw_0507.pdfI imagine that Stapleton's demo of the song is completely different from the finished product that Rhett and his producers created. I had to fight off an eye roll while reading this. While I guess its kind of noble to admit your weakness's as a vocalist. I find it depressing that this guy is a star with very limited talents & Stapleton is this amazing singer-songwriter that's been around Nashville for a decade ,& is just now getting his debut album out. Remember when artists would say if they couldn't beat the demo , they wouldn't release the song? Yeah , I miss those days....
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Post by sabre14 on May 7, 2015 13:08:37 GMT -5
More about this song, including more tidbits regarding Chris Stapleton and Gary Allan, from today's mid-week Billboard update: www.billboard.com/files/pdfs/bcu_mw_0507.pdfI imagine that Stapleton's demo of the song is completely different from the finished product that Rhett and his producers created. I had to fight off an eye roll while reading this. While I guess its kind of noble to admit your weakness's as a vocalist. I find it depressing that this guy is a star with very limited talents & Stapleton is this amazing singer-songwriter that's been around Nashville for a decade ,& is just now getting his debut album out. Remember when artists would say if they couldn't beat the demo , they wouldn't release the song? Yeah , I miss those days....
I'd imagine that Stapleton, while wanting to have the song himself be his #1 goal (with today's country radio, that's more of fantasy than reality), was more than welcome to have Thomas have it since he likely knew that it would be successful at radio with him singing it. Make no mistake though, Valory and BMLG saw an opportunity to maximize the buzz on this song with not only having Thomas singing it, but to have the poppy production on the song to set it apart on radio (granted, country radio has already bi-passed the boundaries enough IMO). Thomas has already said that his upcoming album pushes the boundaries even further than his past material.
There's a good amount of demos that are better (or at least perceived better by many) than the artist who records the song for their album and/or radio. I remember Jason Aldean saying once in an interview that the demo of "Back In This Cigarette" was probably better than his final studio version.
In any event, I really think Thomas' vocals in the verses of "Crash And Burn" are pretty brutal. He sounds better in the chorus though, and with the song's production and catchiness, it makes most not even think about any limitations in Rhett's voice.
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Post by carriekins on May 7, 2015 13:31:12 GMT -5
I don't even think this song is all that catchy. I've heard it a handful of times and honestly can't tell you how it goes. Granted the past few times it's been on I've instantly changed the channel, but it literally left no impact on me, other than it sounds ridiculous on country radio and I hate it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 18:38:08 GMT -5
I wonder, why a song like Little Toy Guns receives only praise, when we know it's 102% not country. And this song by Thomas is being judged so harshly. I suppose rock leanings are better at country than pop. I still love this song, and hope he does well with it.
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Post by tonyei31 on May 7, 2015 19:26:36 GMT -5
I wonder, why a song like Little Toy Guns receives only praise, when we know it's 102% not country. And this song by Thomas is being judged so harshly. I suppose rock leanings are better at country than pop. I still love this song, and hope he does well with it. It's much easier to be supportive of a song that isn't country when the artist singing it (like Carrie Underwood) has a voice. It's easier to be critical to a guy like Thomas Rhett when he puts out a non country song when his voice is lackluster, at best.
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Post by kw9461 on May 7, 2015 21:45:49 GMT -5
[/p] There's a good amount of demos that are better (or at least perceived better by many) than the artist who records the song for their album and/or radio. I remember Jason Aldean saying once in an interview that the demo of "Back In This Cigarette" was probably better than his final studio version. [/p][/quote] Wow, that must've been some demo. That may be my favorite Aldean song, and I've always felt it to be one of his best vocal performances.
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Post by sabre14 on May 7, 2015 21:52:44 GMT -5
^ kw9461. Jason said it was incredibly hard trying to top Michael Mobley's demo of the song and he said Michael's might have better in the end. That was in 2007, and ever since I've been dying to hear the demo of that song because I agree, that's one of my favorites of Jason's entire career.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2015 22:03:49 GMT -5
I wonder, why a song like Little Toy Guns receives only praise, when we know it's 102% not country. And this song by Thomas is being judged so harshly. I suppose rock leanings are better at country than pop. I still love this song, and hope he does well with it. It's much easier to be supportive of a song that isn't country when the artist singing it (like Carrie Underwood) has a voice. It's easier to be critical to a guy like Thomas Rhett when he puts out a non country song when his voice is lackluster, at best. So, by that logic, 50 Cent could debut in country format, with a hip hop song, as long as he had an amazing voice? (not that he has one, but let's suppose) No, I think Thomas has a decent voice. I am not expert, but through all the song, I don't hear his voice cracking or anything like that. Plus, shouldn't music speak for itself? Focusing only in the voice to decide which non country songs are in your favor (in the country format) is a bit... weird. Also, Carrie has had a long string of non country songs, yet no one dares to say anything.
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Post by tim on May 7, 2015 23:13:04 GMT -5
I've held off commenting on this as I was holding my breath expecting something I knew for sure I wasn't going to like. I listened to it for the first time last weekend, and then again...and again...and again. A week later and what can I say...this is a groovy tune. I'll admit that Thomas has a lot of charm that I find hard to resist, even though most of his repertoire thus far is not my favorite. That said, I even came around to his last song "Make Me Wanna."
Is this country? Probably not. Is "Little Toy Guns?" Not really. I just happen to like this way more than Carrie's last two releases...and almost don't want to admit that here haha. Anyways, I like this a lot more than I thought I would :)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 2:28:38 GMT -5
Also, Carrie has had a long string of non country songs, yet no one dares to say anything. Carrie has a track record of not only releasing country singles and country albums, but she's done a lot of country covers (even of some classic songs) and she's paid a lot of respect to those country artists that came before her. Not only that, but her voice is unmistakably country. Her tone, her phrasing, her accent. "Little Toy Guns" is definitely a rock/pop/country song, but for every song like that she has softer ballads that are rooted more in the genre. Of course, it's been a long time since she's released a countrier-sounding ballad, so I'm with you in that regard--I really wish Carrie would release some more traditional-leaning material in between her 'belt-ers'--but I think, in large part, she's really cemented her place within the country genre. Thomas, on the other hand, is a new artist and yet he's already venturing completely outside the genre's boundaries. For me, I find it more acceptable for an artist who has been making country music for 5-10 years to dabble with new sounds, but Thomas is on just his 6th single and while it's clear his star is on the rise, he hasn't completely established himself as a country artist yet. But here he is releasing non-country music anyway. His first 2 singles, "Something To Do With My Hands" and "Beer With Jesus", were unmistakably country. Both singles went top 20, but neither of them was a true break-out hit. He then came back with the pop-country "It Goes Like This", and that was a big hit for him, spending 3 weeks at #1 on the Billboard Country Airplay chart. That was of course following by another pop-country #1 hit, "Get Me Some Of That", and then another #1, the disco-flavored "Make Me Wanna". Now he has "Crash And Burn". For me, the problem with Thomas is that, like Carrie (and many other artists), he has a naturally country-sounding voice, and because of that I don't think he sounds very good on a straight-up pop song like "Crash And Burn". I get that he likes to listen to other types of music, but I don't think his voice lends itself very well to songs like this. However, unlike Carrie and other country artists, Thomas doesn't have the strongest of range, and that further hurts him when he attempts to do a song like this. The following paragraph is from a recent interview that Thomas did with Billboard: Now, to be fair, the range between the lowest note in the chorus and the highest note is pretty large, but there are a lot of other country artists who would have been able to sing the song much easier without having to lower the key of the melody. Rhett clearly knows a good hook and I think he's got an obvious hit on his hands here, but I think the fact that this is doing well has more to do with the state of country radio today than with Rhett's performance of the song. Sure, he's been able to build up a pretty strong fan-base, and he may very well be one of the next big stars in country music, but I think I would've preferred to hear "Crash And Burn" sung by almost any other country artist (like Gary Allan, or Chris Stapleton himself). I just don't think Thomas sounds very good here, and again, I think his voice lends itself much better to songs that are much more rooted within country music than "Crash And Burn" is. And, of course, I'd rather hear pop songs on pop radio and country songs on country radio, and I don't really hear any country influences in this one. But that's a discussion for another time, I think.
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