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Post by sabre14 on May 10, 2015 14:36:49 GMT -5
This caught my attention on Windmills twitter page this afternoon: This was part of a series of twitter posts commenting on the 8 Nash Icon branded stations (WZZR, KRRF, KJJY, WSM-FM, WMIM, WOGT, WWFF, & WKOS), and not a single one has George Strait's latest in the top 50 of their playlist, even though back when Cumulus started this, that the assumption was that they could play newer material by elder artists. It should be noted that windmills pointed out that all 8 stations have at least three solo female artists in their top 10 playlist (Reba, Terri and Carrie). Where I have a problem here is that Reba and Terri have clear affiliations with Cumulus. So that leads me to believe what I originally feared when this started - that they would be only obligated to spin artists that have affiliations with Nash Icon (Cumulus). While that helps artists like Reba, Terri, Ronnie and Martina, there's still a massive amount of artists that doesn't help that are longtime artists who have been pushed aside by mainstream radio. It largely shuts out artists who are not signed with Cumulus. I've never been a fan of labels being affiliated with radio corporations or really brand building in general. jhomes87 pointed out one year ago in the Nash Icon thread ( here) that it's just a conflict of interests, which I agree with. Jamie also brings up the point of this being a nationally syndicated program where any monitored station could pick up, which I wish was the case. Don't get me wrong, Nash Icon is certainly better than nothing and I'm thankful for the idea of highlighting new music from older big named artists that fans still crave, but so far Nash Icon looks mostly like stations that spins artists who are signed them along with the same old same old mainstream songs that we could get anywhere. It's only been in existence for one year, so I guess more time might be needed to let things play out and expand but how many artists will or can they sign to Nash? There's still too many unanswered questions and I still feel uncomfortable with this in general.
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Post by dajross6 on May 10, 2015 21:02:57 GMT -5
If George doesn't bullet this week, is he off the Billboard chart?
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Post by sabre14 on May 10, 2015 21:51:36 GMT -5
If George doesn't bullet this week, is he off the Billboard chart? I think George will re-bullet tomorrow but even if he didn't, he wouldn't go recurrent as another minor loss would yield another grace week (though jhomes87 lives and breaths with the Billboard airplay audience, so I'll defer to her if I'm wrong, lol). Mo Pitney's "Country" has gone the past two weeks without a bullet on the Billboard airplay chart (losses of 100k and 117k).
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Post by rsmatto on May 11, 2015 9:29:05 GMT -5
This caught my attention on Windmills twitter page this afternoon: This was part of a series of twitter posts commenting on the 8 Nash Icon branded stations (WZZR, KRRF, KJJY, WSM-FM, WMIM, WOGT, WWFF, & WKOS), and not a single one has George Strait's latest in the top 50 of their playlist, even though back when Cumulus started this, that the assumption was that they could play newer material by elder artists. It should be noted that windmills pointed out that all 8 stations have at least three solo female artists in their top 10 playlist (Reba, Terri and Carrie). Where I have a problem here is that Reba and Terri have clear affiliations with Cumulus. So that leads me to believe what I originally feared when this started - that they would be only obligated to spin artists that have affiliations with Nash Icon (Cumulus). While that helps artists like Reba, Terri, Ronnie and Martina, there's still a massive amount of artists that doesn't help that are longtime artists who have been pushed aside by mainstream radio. It largely shuts out artists who are not signed with Cumulus. I've never been a fan of labels being affiliated with radio corporations or really brand building in general. jhomes87 pointed out one year ago in the Nash Icon thread ( here) that it's just a conflict of interests, which I agree with. Jamie also brings up the point of this being a nationally syndicated program where any monitored station could pick up, which I wish was the case. Don't get me wrong, Nash Icon is certainly better than nothing and I'm thankful for the idea of highlighting new music from older big named artists that fans still crave, but so far Nash Icon looks mostly like stations that spins artists who are signed them along with the same old same old mainstream songs that we could get anywhere. It's only been in existence for one year, so I guess more time might be needed to let things play out and expand but how many artists will or can they sign to Nash? There's still too many unanswered questions and I still feel uncomfortable with this in general. Definitely could be a problem if they continue to follow this patter. I mean, John Anderson's next record would seem like a perfect NASH Icon radio project too but if they're not playing George yet, I doubt they'd play that record. Then again, there are other radio companies that are refusing to really play the Reba record because (at least partly, age probably too) of its affiliation with Cumulus, so there is that, too.
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Post by sabre14 on May 11, 2015 14:19:26 GMT -5
^ That's really why I don't and have never liked the concept of labels being partnered with corporate radio. Nash Icon for obvious reasons feels the obligation to spin Reba's latest single and Terri Clark, but they can't find room for the other non-Nash Icon artists. If the top 50 songs on their playlist is being comprised of the select few Nash Icon signed artists with the regular mainstream radio releases that get played 70 times a day, then I don't find much use for Nash Icon myself. It's just a branding platform for their affiliated artists. Of course then they breed resentment with iHeartMedia and CBS, so those radio companies don't add the latest from Reba (and we definitely have proof of that, with "Going Out Like That" only on 55 monitored MB stations as of last Monday).
At least I hope there's more signings to come and their playlist can continue to become broader with some new material from legend artists that aren't with Cumulus, because one year in and I'm not really feeling this.
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Post by Zazie on May 11, 2015 18:21:07 GMT -5
If George doesn't bullet this week, is he off the Billboard chart? I think George will re-bullet tomorrow but even if he didn't, he wouldn't go recurrent as another minor loss would yield another grace week (though jhomes87 lives and breaths with the Billboard airplay audience, so I'll defer to her if I'm wrong, lol). Mo Pitney's "Country" has gone the past two weeks without a bullet on the Billboard airplay chart (losses of 100k and 117k). Almost right. It's nice to see the MB expert venturing into uncharted BB waters. Doesn't matter how big or small George's loss is, he stays on tonight. (Well, if it's too big then he'd fall out of the top 60, but I'm assuming you are only interested in songs that still have enough audience to chart. As we just saw with Miranda, you can lose a ton of audience and still stay on the chart. BB has two different rules for pulling songs. If a song is below the top 10, and it has charted for more than 21 weeks, then it can be pulled in any negative week. Or BB can give it a "grace week" and let it stay on, assuming its losses are small. Second rule: if the song is below the top 10, and it has NOT yet charted for 21 weeks or more, then it gets 2 bulletless weeks before it can be pulled, no matter how bad its performance is during either of those two weeks. In week 3 of bulletlessness, they can take it off, but if it rebullets after its two bad weeks then they must keep it on. And in that third week of bulletlessness, BB can make a subjective decision to give that song a "grace week." The big difference is that 21-week songs can be pulled immediately and younger songs get three weeks to turn it around. George doesn't need a grace week to stay on tonight, even if he's bulletless, because his song is so young.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 21:30:03 GMT -5
At this point I don't even think George will make the top 40 with this. "Let It Go" gained only 7 spins during the Billboard tracking week of May 11-May 17. Over the last 3 weeks, it's increased by a grand total of 30 spins on Billboard. It's at #50 in terms of audience, but it's not even in the BB top 60 in spins.
George is barely above 2 million. Tonight's #40 song, Lady A's latest, has more than 5 million (and it, too, is going nowhere, although it's at least made the top 40 unlike poor George).
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Post by whynotnow on May 18, 2015 22:03:23 GMT -5
I don't believe I would use the word poor and George in the same sentence. George doesn't have reason to be considered "poor" about anything
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 22:20:39 GMT -5
I don't believe I would use the word poor and George in the same sentence. George doesn't have reason to be considered "poor" about anything Well of course I know George isn't poor, lol. And I'm certainly well aware that he's had a career better than almost anybody else. I only said "poor George" because this song is struggling so badly that it's probably already gone about as high as it's gonna go, and it's frustrating to watch (in other words, this has been a very poor chart performance for George. It's certainly not his fault, though).
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Post by hosssulpizio on May 18, 2015 23:09:06 GMT -5
It's so sad to see George Strait struggling on the charts. "Let It Go" is such a great summer song and it is not being played that much.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 18, 2015 23:31:01 GMT -5
I heard this on the radio the other day for the first time and got pretty excited, because I had almost forgotten about this single since it's received such little fanfare and I almost expected to never get the chance to hear it on the airwaves. It's too bad it isn't doing better. I was hoping this would at least do on par with like "Going Out Like That" or so, which would be satisfying enough, though I'd have loved to see this make the Top 20 or better. Hopefully his next album will still come out sometime soon regardless of where "Let It Go" peaks, because I'm looking forward to hearing more new music even if radio isn't interested.
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Post by rsmatto on May 19, 2015 11:44:27 GMT -5
I heard this on the radio the other day for the first time and got pretty excited, because I had almost forgotten about this single since it's received such little fanfare and I almost expected to never get the chance to hear it on the airwaves. It's too bad it isn't doing better. I was hoping this would at least do on par with like "Going Out Like That" or so, which would be satisfying enough, though I'd have loved to see this make the Top 20 or better. Hopefully his next album will still come out sometime soon regardless of where "Let It Go" peaks, because I'm looking forward to hearing more new music even if radio isn't interested. They will release the album even without radio airplay. It honestly will free up George to do some other interesting projects he's wanted to do (A full western swing album, a Sinatra-like album). He's at the point where he can have "fun" with his album releases if he's no longer looking for radio.
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Post by dajross6 on May 19, 2015 12:15:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure what everyone is so worried about, the song is on pace to be #1 in approximately 240 weeks. It's honestly frustrating and I've been on the "Hot Adult Country" train for quite some time to be a genre similar to what Hot Adult is to Top 40. Hot Adult cuts out most of the R&B and Rap airplay and has core artists like Maroon 5, Matchbox 20, Taylor Swift, Kelly Clarkson, The Script, and Bruno Mars. Obviously some overlap, but you won't see a ton of dance music on Hot Adult 40 stations. Imagine a genre that is based on George, Reba, Alan, Brad Paisley, Lee Ann Womack, Chris Young, Gary Allen, and Easton Corbin without the FGL and bro-country theme. Who do we need to talk to for this to happen?
But alas, it never will and we have what country music is today. A sad, sad shell of what it once was and while Country music is gaining listeners (fewer today than a few years ago), it's losing a ton more that understands what is happening. There's a lot of blame to go around, but the charts/labels focusing solely on digital single sales isn't helping.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 19, 2015 15:02:06 GMT -5
I heard this on the radio the other day for the first time and got pretty excited, because I had almost forgotten about this single since it's received such little fanfare and I almost expected to never get the chance to hear it on the airwaves. It's too bad it isn't doing better. I was hoping this would at least do on par with like "Going Out Like That" or so, which would be satisfying enough, though I'd have loved to see this make the Top 20 or better. Hopefully his next album will still come out sometime soon regardless of where "Let It Go" peaks, because I'm looking forward to hearing more new music even if radio isn't interested. They will release the album even without radio airplay. It honestly will free up George to do some other interesting projects he's wanted to do (A full western swing album, a Sinatra-like album). He's at the point where he can have "fun" with his album releases if he's no longer looking for radio. I know they will, but I find it strange that they haven't announced any details about the new album yet, especially if it looks like "Let It Go" is possibly nearing the end of its run already. It obviously won't matter much when they release it, but you'd think that if they were going to bother promoting a single to radio that they'd aim to drop the album while it's still getting some airplay at least. It would make sense for it to be coming out pretty soon, imo.
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Post by whynotnow on May 19, 2015 16:00:56 GMT -5
I don't believe I would use the word poor and George in the same sentence. George doesn't have reason to be considered "poor" about anything Well of course I know George isn't poor, lol. And I'm certainly well aware that he's had a career better than almost anybody else. I only said "poor George" because this song is struggling so badly that it's probably already gone about as high as it's gonna go, and it's frustrating to watch (in other words, this has been a very poor chart performance for George. It's certainly not his fault, though). I know you was not referring to wealth. LOL. It just sounded like we were saying he needed pity or something. Sorry if I sounded upset. It wasn't that at all. I'm having a hard time with this so bare with me. :):):)
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Post by whynotnow on May 19, 2015 16:06:33 GMT -5
P.S. I think we're having a harder time about what is happening then George is. He's kicking back and enjoying life. While some of us (like me) stress about it.
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Post by tim on May 20, 2015 20:18:44 GMT -5
Wasn't really sure where to put this, but this seems like as good a spot for y'all to hear a clip of a new song called "Take Me To Texas." Granted this is from the Texas Rising mini series which debuts on the History Channel and hasn't been announced if it'll be included on the new album. Curious to see if this'll chart considering the amount of cities it name drops in Texas.
This is now also available on iTunes for download.
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Post by sabre14 on May 20, 2015 20:29:00 GMT -5
Wasn't really sure where to put this, but this seems like as good a spot for y'all to hear a clip of a new song called "Take Me To Texas." Granted this is from the Texas Rising mini series which debuts on the History Channel and hasn't been announced if it'll be included on the new album. Curious to see if this'll chart considering the amount of cities it name drops in Texas.
This is now also available on iTunes for download. I seriously doubt this will chart, especially with the way the chart looks now. I vividly remember "Texas" staying on the chart for the most of the back half of 2005 and reaching the top 40, with the help of Texas stations alone. Radio is not the same as it was in 2005 though and I can't see Texas stations giving this song enough spins to crack the top 60. It's possible (Pat Green's "Way Back Texas" charted with Texas airplay before it was an official single in 2006/2007 and "El Rey" charted at #58 for George in 2009) but I don't see it happening here. I like the song a lot though and I'm glad it will be included on George's upcoming album.
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Post by dajross6 on May 21, 2015 0:29:53 GMT -5
Wow this is a good, modern sounding song from George. I mean, as modern as George really gets. It's catchy and has a nice hook as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 0:56:27 GMT -5
Only 1 add this week, but it was KKGO in Los Angeles, which is about the best add a song can get.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on May 21, 2015 1:02:47 GMT -5
I knew this would underperform but I NEVER expected it to do this bad :(
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Post by dajross6 on May 21, 2015 12:34:46 GMT -5
There's still time for it to go up, and the add in LA is going to help this on some level. I wouldn't count it out yet.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 21, 2015 12:56:15 GMT -5
I'd really hate to see this not even make the Top 40. At this point, I'd really like it to at least manage a peak ahead of "Drinkin' Man." Glad that one of the biggest stations on the panel jumped on board.
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Post by sabre14 on May 21, 2015 13:11:49 GMT -5
Boy if KKGO could put "Let It Go" in medium rotation, that would certainly help it as that would mean George would get rough 400k in gained audience a week from their station alone. "Let It Go" was spun 12 times on KKGO the past seven day with an audience impression of 140k.
I'm not surprised by this song's start and top 40 would be the max right now as George's radio career is all but over.
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Post by Zazie on May 21, 2015 13:38:51 GMT -5
What a comedy, though not a very funny one. I suppose radio people think that if listeners tune in and catch a couple of minutes of Strait, they're going to change stations. Wouldn't want to have Strait be the one keeping people away from country music, no sir no ma'am. My local stations don't even play old George songs nowadays, presumably on the same excellent reasoning.
A song needs about 8 million in audience now to make the BB top 30, and George is sitting at 2 million. Seems impossible. Practically nobody goes recurrent, so there will probably be a housecleaning in the next 3-4 weeks that will take off a number of songs that may be outliving their usefulness. Gloriana, RF, Paslay, maybe Lynch or Moore, maybe Reba or Rice or Guyton. And the songs peaking and falling -- Urban, Farr, Currington -- will be leaving as well. So I can see a way for Let It Go to reach the top 40 if it can find its way to a million in audience gains. It's hard to credit any idea of a higher peak than the 35 to 40 range. Somebody slammed and bolted the door.
Doesn't seem like a good time for an album or soundtrack song to spend a few weeks on the chart, not if songs aren't able to hit the top 60 on Billboard even if they get more than 1.1 million in impressions. I don't know what El Rey managed to get in total audience, but I expect it was less than 600k. Now, that's only halfway there.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:07:49 GMT -5
What a comedy, though not a very funny one. I suppose radio people think that if listeners tune in and catch a couple of minutes of Strait, they're going to change stations. Wouldn't want to have Strait be the one keeping people away from country music, no sir no ma'am. My local stations don't even play old George songs nowadays, presumably on the same excellent reasoning. A song needs about 8 million in audience now to make the BB top 30, and George is sitting at 2 million. Seems impossible. Practically nobody goes recurrent, so there will probably be a housecleaning in the next 3-4 weeks that will take off a number of songs that may be outliving their usefulness. Gloriana, RF, Paslay, maybe Lynch or Moore, maybe Reba or Rice or Guyton. And the songs peaking and falling -- Urban, Farr, Currington -- will be leaving as well. So I can see a way for Let It Go to reach the top 40 if it can find its way to a million in audience gains. It's hard to credit any idea of a higher peak than the 35 to 40 range. Somebody slammed and bolted the door. Doesn't seem like a good time for an album or soundtrack song to spend a few weeks on the chart, not if songs aren't able to hit the top 60 on Billboard even if they get more than 1.1 million in impressions. I don't know what El Rey managed to get in total audience, but I expect it was less than 600k. Now, that's only halfway there. I think Dustin's safe he'll probably stick it out for another month because he's almost there to the Top 20. Gloriana I can only hope the album news can light what little is left of Trouble but I'm not hopeful Paslay's served his time get rid of him. Reba needs to scrap Top 30 than release another song preferably something more upbeat. Kip is gonna stay till he reaches The Top 20 a real shame though :'(. I want Chase Rice off can't stand him. Please not Mickey Guyton she has to have some fight left in her I mean she has to I can't see Mickey leave. >:(
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 23:41:33 GMT -5
This is #47 on Billboard (down 1 from last week), but it's only ranked #59 in spins, and so I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near the top 50 on Mediabase. A couple of the big Texas stations are really the only reason that this one is even charting. Most stations are basically ignoring it. George did gain 0.103 million this week (wow, a whole 100k!!), but he actually lost 42 spins. At this point, I'm starting to doubt that this one will even make the top 40. The callout scores for this one are excellent. This is from Bullseye's "New Music Wave" (dated June 9): Among new songs, George has the highest "Like A Lot" score, the highest Total Positive ranking, and one of the lowest dislike rankings. And over 70% of callout participants that Bullseye reached out to haven't even heard this on the radio yet..
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Post by Marv on Jun 9, 2015 1:01:13 GMT -5
Speaking of KKGO, it's the only one of the six country stations out there which routinely cume 1,000,000+ listeners every week as do WUSN,KILT,KKBQ,KSCS & KPLX but has never been among the top 20 radio stations in LA, and also has lousy 18-34 and 25-54 numbers.
Consequently they'll play Mickey Guyton, Mo Pitney, Cam, and all the rest of the wonderful new artists out there who infuriatingly get very little airplay despite having music which is far superior to what 90%+ of the male stars and newcomers are polluting the airwaves with in spite of what that boneheaded consultant Keith Mills thinks.
I'm delighted KKGO is playing this, but the bro country stuff continues to clog the charts with mediocre schlock which breezes to #1 in 12 weeks or less including Luke's latest snoozefest while Mickey Guyton and other VERY promising artists can't get out of first gear.
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Post by bboat11 on Jun 11, 2015 5:43:18 GMT -5
It really is a shame that radio now seems to have completely dropped George. This song is nowhere near my favorites of his, but it is certainly one that I am enjoying more each time I listen, and I feel like it could have been a big summer smash just a few short years ago because of that quality. The best thing about this situation is that George is at the point in his career where his album will come out whether the lead single does anything on the charts or not.
Now, speaking of that album... Any day now, MCA... All I need is one tiny piece of information, and I will be satisfied!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 9:34:29 GMT -5
It looks like this one is done...it's virtually collapsed in spins at the small handful of stations that were playing it: www.allaccess.com/mediabase/q/report/leaders/song/STRALIG+/format/C1Down 19 spins at KPLX in Dallas, down 6 spins at KKGO in LA, down 15 spins at KRYS in Corpus Christi, etc. I expect Monday to be George's last week in the Billboard top 60, and it's actually possible that he'll fall all the way out of the top 60. In any case, it looks like #46 is the Billboard peak for "Let It Go", which makes it the 2nd lowest-charting single of George's career ("I Believe" only made it to #50 on Billboard). "Let It Go" never even cracked the Mediabase top 50.
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