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Post by Kurt on Apr 7, 2015 13:29:51 GMT -5
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Post by Pollen on Apr 7, 2015 13:35:47 GMT -5
What do you mean by initial release date? Like, a song being released on the day the album came out, or when it was actually released as a single?
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Post by Kurt on Apr 7, 2015 13:41:57 GMT -5
What do you mean by initial release date? Like, a song being released on the day the album came out, or when it was actually released as a single? Whenever it first came out, I believe was the meaning behind that - so, for example, OneRepublic's "Good Life" would be 2009 (album release date) based on 1A and 2011 (when it peaked at radio) based on 1B.
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Post by chillpill on Apr 8, 2015 1:49:34 GMT -5
I do not want to see old threads moved. I do not want to see posts by people that I don't like in the Nostalgia forum.
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Post by lyhom on Apr 8, 2015 20:26:39 GMT -5
I do not want to see old threads moved. I do not want to see posts by people that I don't like in the Nostalgia forum. the horror
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 23:48:47 GMT -5
I do not want to see old threads moved. I do not want to see posts by people that I don't like in the Nostalgia forum. There's an ignore feature for a reason. I think having the old threads in the Nostalgia forum makes for a more interesting discussion. It gives people easy access to information about the song that may not be readily available otherwise, and also shows the full scope of its chart run, public reaction, etc. Logistically, for a subforum built on nostalgia, I don't know why anyone wouldn't want the threads moved. They're just going to get locked in the pop forum and collect dust otherwise. Voted all As. That would make a much better experience.
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Post by ILLUSION on Apr 9, 2015 8:22:05 GMT -5
I think separating the songs by decade in subforums is a waste of time for admins lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 11:21:22 GMT -5
Any reasonable Virgo would support separation by decade. Compartmentalization makes everything feel neater. I do not want to see old threads moved. I do not want to see posts by people that I don't like in the Nostalgia forum. There's an ignore feature for a reason. I think having the old threads in the Nostalgia forum makes for a more interesting discussion. It gives people easy access to information about the song that may not be readily available otherwise, and also shows the full scope of its chart run, public reaction, etc. Logistically, for a subforum built on nostalgia, I don't know why anyone wouldn't want the threads moved. They're just going to get locked in the pop forum and collect dust otherwise. Voted all As. That would make a much better experience. I agree with this. I can't think of how many times I have had to do a "[song] pulsemusic" search on Google just to find an old thread in hopes of finding its adds date (or if it even had one), the exact moment it peaked, or some other stat. If those posters never posted in Nostalgia before, it's unlikely that moving threads is going to change that. My only reservation with this is that it is very odd that a song that just peaked three months ago can now be considered Nostalgia, lol. Maybe a requirement that threads only get moved there after they've become at least a year old? But in fairness to the block suggestion, the ignore feature doesn't really work as well as it should - if someone I have blocked gets quoted by someone not on my block list, I end up seeing that person's bullshit anyway, which defeats the entire purpose of ignoring. But that would be another complaint for another time. I would base dates by the initial release, because peak dates might be subject to argument. At least with release date there's no room to debate it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 11:24:01 GMT -5
There's an ignore feature for a reason. But in fairness to the block suggestion, the ignore feature doesn't really work as well as it should - if someone I have blocked gets quoted by someone not on my block list, I end up seeing that person's bulls**t anyway, which defeats the entire purpose of ignoring. But that would be another complaint for another time. That's true, didn't think of that. It just seemed like a really, really dumb reason to vote against it.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Apr 9, 2015 20:21:04 GMT -5
I can't think of a good argument not to move the old threads rather than creating new ones.
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Post by ILLUSION on Apr 10, 2015 12:44:38 GMT -5
I can't think of a good argument not to move the old threads rather than creating new ones. Time consuming
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Post by Ginger Spice on Apr 10, 2015 12:48:40 GMT -5
It's time consuming to move threads?
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Post by Kurt on Apr 10, 2015 13:24:54 GMT -5
(it is for me! lmao)
The reason given in the earlier thread (that I agree with, though I've been trying not to bias the poll or discussion with my own opinion too much) is that the Nostalgia forum is best for revisiting songs with additional discussion of things like chart impact and promotion, but that it'd be weird to see so many chart updates and promo talk there. On the other hand, I think that's something that we'd get used to eventually, but looking at the poll, that probably won't matter anyway, ha.
Also, I didn't set the poll to close at any given time, but the global forum announcement goes away on Monday, so I'll probably consider the results finalized then as well, and then I can work on reorganization next week if I don't forget.
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Post by DiscoπΆοΈπ on Apr 11, 2015 0:21:34 GMT -5
You could give some selected people you trust some limited mod powers just for the purposes of moving the threads to make it a little easier.
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Post by sbp17 on Apr 11, 2015 1:22:12 GMT -5
(it is for me! lmao) The reason given in the earlier thread (that I agree with, though I've been trying not to bias the poll or discussion with my own opinion too much) is that the Nostalgia forum is best for revisiting songs with additional discussion of things like chart impact and promotion, but that it'd be weird to see so many chart updates and promo talk there. I understand that point but there'd obviously be a break between the active chart/promo talk and the sort of nostalgia talk because there'd be no more regular chart updates. An advantage of moving the current thread to nostalgia is that people would be able to see how their own opinions (or opinions of others) evolved over time from when a song just came out to when it was getting played non-stop to when it went recurrent and then how it stood the test of time. Also, the members of Pulse come and go so it would be interesting to see how perceptions of a song might change over time in the same thread. I can understand both sides but I would prefer to keep all discussion of a song in the same thread.
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Post by Libra on Apr 11, 2015 13:54:14 GMT -5
I can understand both sides but I would prefer to keep all discussion of a song in the same thread. Except that this doesn't really work when the song in question has threads in multiple genres. Are you suggesting pulling them all just to merge everything into one?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 15:07:12 GMT -5
You could give some selected people you trust some limited mod powers just for the purposes of moving the threads to make it a little easier. Remember when they made you a mod on whatever that forum was then fired you in like a month?
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Post by DiscoπΆοΈπ on Apr 11, 2015 15:16:30 GMT -5
You could give some selected people you trust some limited mod powers just for the purposes of moving the threads to make it a little easier. Remember when they made you a mod on whatever that forum was then fired you in like a month? I am way too busy to do it even if I was asked. ;) ETA: How did you know about Soundcheck? That was like 9 years ago.
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Post by sbp17 on Apr 11, 2015 15:19:10 GMT -5
I can understand both sides but I would prefer to keep all discussion of a song in the same thread. Except that this doesn't really work when the song in question has threads in multiple genres. Are you suggesting pulling them all just to merge everything into one? No, that would be awkward (or entertaining) to mix multiple active threads. I'd primary just move the Pop thread unless the song didn't really have a run on pop and then go with the other core format (like country).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 16:50:07 GMT -5
Remember when they made you a mod on whatever that forum was then fired you in like a month? I am way too busy to do it even if I was asked. ;) ETA: How did you know about Soundcheck? That was like 9 years ago. Because I'm friends with one of the former admins lol
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 11, 2015 17:58:45 GMT -5
I like the idea of moving old threads from format forums to nostalgia but then what's the basis of doing that? When someone starts a thread for a song that already has one somewhere else, and then who would move it? It'd be time consuming. Plus, if they were to get moved after their run was over (again, who would do that and make that decision), the nostalgia forum would be clogged with threads for 8-month old singles.
I went with B for all the options. For the first set, I'm not opposed in any way to separating the forum by decade except it can become sticky for songs that occurred on the cusp of two decades (ie. Smooth or Bad Romance).
For the second question, I chose B because people tend to associate songs with when they were hits rather than when they were released - especially slow-growing songs. But then the problem with that is what about hits that crossed-over from the UK to the US, or from one format to Pop. That can also be tricky to decide. But if the forum was divided by decade, you wouldn't need to worry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:03:55 GMT -5
A, A, B
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Post by Daniel Shywaoub on Apr 11, 2015 22:36:17 GMT -5
Getting rid of random songs that have no "general popularity peak" would be great as well...there are 11 songs that no one but the album owners would know, on the front page of the forum currently. I think there's an album category, isn't there? That's where such belong, and each album would have its own topic and you could talk about all the non-single, non-radio, non-You-Tube viral hit, whatever, tracks. My eyes just glaze over as I scroll past these topics ... along with the ones about songs that just came out in the past couple of years, of course! I understand that when you're 15 years old, 2008 gives you a feeling of nostalgia; but come on, let's get literal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 23:46:20 GMT -5
It'd be nice if the Nostalgia forum was broken into decades; there's almost too much going on with it and the album sub-forum.
Neither of these areas get nearly as much attention as the rest of the board; perhaps some small tweaks could make it more appealing.
Perhaps it would be a little less cluttered if threads were merged so duplicates could be eliminated.
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Post by johnm1120 on Apr 12, 2015 7:04:06 GMT -5
Definitely do not move the old threads. It's to discuss Nostalgia, not an archive of fan wars because a song didn't gain enough spins that day.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Apr 12, 2015 11:56:11 GMT -5
I don't think it's a good idea to move the threads to Nostalgia because some songs usually have more than a thread in the different genre forums since some of them has crossover to different formats and it would be a mess to merge all of them. However, the links from the genre forum formats may be posted (ideally) in the OP of each thread or at some point in each one of them.
Also, I don't want to be picky here, but if someone creates a thread in the Nostalgia forum, it would be great if it's embed a YouTube video or a Soundcloud/Spotify audio in the OP instead of only posting how much that person liked/disliked the track in mention. Anyway, as a side note, since I'm mentioned that, I hope all the thread titles should have the same format. It could begin in the Nostalgia forum and then, it could be a general rule for the board.
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Post by Libra on Apr 12, 2015 12:47:09 GMT -5
However, the links from the genre forum formats may be posted (ideally) in the OP of each thread or at some point in each one of them. Second this. It'd make an ideal compromise for those of us preferring the genre threads to stay where they are (currently about a 3-to-1 majority) and those who'd rather see them moved out.
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Post by jdanton2 on Apr 12, 2015 14:02:32 GMT -5
However, the links from the genre forum formats may be posted (ideally) in the OP of each thread or at some point in each one of them. Second this. It'd make an ideal compromise for those of us preferring the genre threads to stay where they are (currently about a 3-to-1 majority) and those who'd rather see them moved out. that sounds like a good idea.
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Post by Pollen on Apr 12, 2015 14:06:21 GMT -5
However, the links from the genre forum formats may be posted (ideally) in the OP of each thread or at some point in each one of them. The one issue I think this might bring up is someone bumping an 8 year old thread (I'm looking at you johnnywest). Is the album thread going to continue to be a sub-forum?
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Post by Juan Carlos on Apr 12, 2015 18:34:09 GMT -5
However, the links from the genre forum formats may be posted (ideally) in the OP of each thread or at some point in each one of them. The one issue I think this might bring up is someone bumping an 8 year old thread (I'm looking at you johnnywest). I also thought about that, but I guess it may not gonna happen if a mod edits the OP of the old threads and include eventually the links to avoid bumping them.
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