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Post by stunnedout on Jul 19, 2017 19:04:46 GMT -5
Man...Tinahse is the queen of flops that should've been huge. I'm in love the "Superlove" and "flame" right now.
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Post by wavey. on Jul 19, 2017 23:30:36 GMT -5
"Yeah . Who knows?"
She's sick of the bulls**t. Tinashe is getting the Iggy treatment.
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Post by stunnedout on Jul 20, 2017 1:08:28 GMT -5
"Yeah . Who knows?"She's sick of the bulls**t. Tinashe is getting the Iggy treatment. I don't think she is getting any kind of poor treatment, her songs just haven't worked. I can say RCA has honestly tried. At this point they should probably just drop her and let her do what she is gonna do on her own cause they obviously can't make it work for her. Supelove, Company and Flame were all promoted, but nothing took. She couldn't even go top 20 on any format. She had a hyped Britney collab. I don't know what else they are supposed to do. The only thing I can see is they should push her as an urban girl and put her on some more hooks. |
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Post by wavey. on Jul 20, 2017 7:45:00 GMT -5
You think RCA gave her fair promo for the first two? I mean SL got a nice video, but was barely promoted on either format, and had like one tv show performance.
Let's not even get started on Company's release...a video months later?!(That also sparked a Mini buzz.) RCA dropped the ball on that again too, especially not after the video dropped. The songs quality have always been there, the R&B division just always got the shaft. I categorized all of the artists into one, because they all recently experienced some dwindle in thier single/album rollout. It's just a shame Tinashe has been experiencing it ever since her debut single..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 10:42:36 GMT -5
Promoted how, with a music video and nothing else? "Company" was never going to be a hit and I still don't know what "Flame" sounds like but I don't think I've seen or heard of a single performance of hers since the "2 On" BET Awards deal.
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Post by stunnedout on Jul 20, 2017 16:24:05 GMT -5
Promoted how, with a music video and nothing else? "Company" was never going to be a hit and I still don't know what "Flame" sounds like but I don't think I've seen or heard of a single performance of hers since the "2 On" BET Awards deal. |
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Post by stunnedout on Jul 20, 2017 16:29:34 GMT -5
You think RCA gave her fair promo for the first two? I mean SL got a nice video, but was barely promoted on either format, and had like one tv show performance. Let's not even get started on Company's release...a video months later?!(That also sparked a Mini buzz.) RCA dropped the ball on that again too, especially not after the video dropped. The songs quality have always been there, the R&B division just always got the shaft. I categorized all of the artists into one, because they all recently experienced some dwindle in thier single/album rollout. It's just a shame Tinashe has been experiencing it ever since her debut single.. At the end of the day most songs become hits on the radio without a video or televised performance. Labels are not gonna spend tons of money on a video when radio isn't interested. Look at the songs that are hits by random artists, they aren't getting million dollar set ups. The song goes to radio, becomes a hit and other things follow. This isn't the 90s and some grand tv performance isn't going to save the day. There are artists with far worst promotional set ups than tinashe. When artists start to flop people look for all these excuses and like to blame "promotion." Truth is she is on a major label that has spent a lot of money on top producers and writers. She went on tour with Nicki Minaj, opened for Beyoncé , has had a televised performance for all of her radio singles. People just aren't interested. Maybe she can be on Love & Hip hop. |
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FWIW I feel like HEAUX was referring to award shows and not late night TV. But even then, I do recall her doing the Soul Train Awards and that very brief appearance at the MTV Movie Awards with Ty Dolla Sign. And of course let's not forget the Janet tribute.
Regardless, the conversation is moot before we even make it to talking about booked appearances or videos b/c RCA is notorious for not even sending her songs for radio adds most of the time. She hasn't had a song sent to urban since Pretend flopped, and you would think urban is supposed to be her core format! But they do this weird thing where they keep sending stuff to rhythmic (where she can usually pull off a top 10 hit, but the format is too small for this to move units) and pop (where nothing ever happens b/c pop doesn't know a thing about her and r&b-lite is just not where CHR is right now). I don't think she's ever had an interview with a CHR station, but she's had interviews with urban ones.
That's why Tinashe fans often feel that the label has done "nothing" for her. It's not so much that RCA never did anything, but what they have done for her has been scattered and unfocused, and it never matches with what T's management is able to line up for her (I assume getting booked is usually management's responsibility). I mentioned this a page or two back but RCA and T both seem to be confused as to who her target audience truly is. The label only seems interested in halfhearted pop attempts but Tinashe makes music and conducts interviews as if she is focused on the urban crowd so nothing ever translates. Hers is a tale of apparent ineptitude more than pure neglect.
The weirdest part is how the label has her recording more songs. You'd think at some point all this extra recording would just be more wasted money than making and releasing a video in a timely manner would be...she has to have recorded enough material for three album cycles by now. Just throw something out there and let her flop in relative peace instead of delaying the inevitable.
Whoever T's management is deserves a raise though because her name stays out there despite all indications that there's no interest in her music. She should try her hand more at writing for others, commercial modeling and/or acting. I don't think she's completely anathema as a name, but she's going to starve to death if she's waiting on this music thing to really explode for her.
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Post by stunnedout on Jul 20, 2017 19:02:21 GMT -5
FWIW I feel like HEAUX was referring to award shows and not late night TV. But even then, I do recall her doing the Soul Train Awards and that very brief appearance at the MTV Movie Awards with Ty Dolla Sign. And of course let's not forget the Janet tribute. Regardless, the conversation is moot before we even make it to talking about booked appearances or videos b/c RCA is notorious for not even sending her songs for radio adds most of the time. She hasn't had a song sent to urban since Pretend flopped, and you would think urban is supposed to be her core format! But they do this weird thing where they keep sending stuff to rhythmic (where she can usually pull off a top 10 hit, but the format is too small for this to move units) and pop (where nothing ever happens b/c pop doesn't know a thing about her and r&b-lite is just not where CHR is right now). I don't think she's ever had an interview with a CHR station, but she's had interviews with urban ones. That's why Tinashe fans often feel that the label has done "nothing" for her. It's not so much that RCA never did anything, but what they have done for her has been scattered and unfocused, and it never matches with what T's management is able to line up for her (I assume getting booked is usually management's responsibility). I mentioned this a page or two back but RCA and T both seem to be confused as to who her target audience truly is. The label only seems interested in halfhearted pop attempts but Tinashe makes music and conducts interviews as if she is focused on the urban crowd so nothing ever translates. Hers is a tale of apparent ineptitude more than pure neglect. The weirdest part is how the label has her recording more songs. You'd think at some point all this extra recording would just be more wasted money than making and releasing a video in a timely manner would be...she has to have recorded enough material for three album cycles by now. Just throw something out there and let her flop in relative peace instead of delaying the inevitable. Whoever T's management is deserves a raise though because her name stays out there despite all indications that there's no interest in her music. She should try her hand more at writing for others, commercial modeling and/or acting. I don't think she's completely anathema as a name, but she's going to starve to death if she's waiting on this music thing to really explode for her. I think the expectations from her label are unrealistic. They have done more for Tinashe than so many other artists on that label. I'm sure Fantasia, jasmine Sullivan, Monica, etc would've killed for the type of attention they give her. The collaborations, tours and performances they've lined up for her have been impressive. Nick Jonas? Britney Spears? She is practically a nobody and she gets all these great looks. Her music just doesn't connect. RCA has said they want her to be a pop star and it isn't happening. They need to just push her as an urban artist and set her up with a rapper to date to get some buzz. She is too middle of road musically which is why they always push her at rhythmic. She is the definition of a rhythmic artist, but you kind of have to pick a side these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 20:13:03 GMT -5
stunnedout I'm admittedly biased because I think RCA is ass for their entire r&b roster outside of Bryson Tiller and Khalid (and even then I can't tell for sure if that's RCA's heavy lifting or their own teams doing all the work - I read once that Chris has had to pretty much have to fend for self ever since being under them), but I have no qualms nitpicking their every bad move because they make so many of them. Saying Tinashe got more than x, y, z labelmates is true but also kind of like telling a person who is paralyzed from the waist down to be grateful that they're not a paraplegic. Bish still can't walk! That Britney collab for example - it flopped because Britney herself isn't radio bait anymore and doesn't push her own material much so I don't know if I can view that as a real hook-up...more like someone being nice and giving Tinashe the ultimate fan day sweepstakes prize to make up for her not being able to release her own music lol. If the issue is that she's too middle of the road then it's on RCA to to pick a side - not just with the promotion but with the A&R - and I don't think that is too much to ask of any label. I'm still mad at them with starting her off with 2 On though so there's also that gripe from me - from day one they have tried to push Tinashe as everything except the sleek alt&b chick she was when they discovered and signed her. So maybe she was doomed from the start; it kind of feels like RCA jut saw a pretty black girl who could sing and dance and leaned r&b so they mistakenly thought they could one-size-fits-all her career from there. They've been scrambling ever since. I'm not sure I trust them to pick a side. Shoot, they think they picked pop, but one listen to Player, Superlove, and Flame and it's apparent that they are still stuck on her crossing over to pop with r&b. I shit on RCA a lot but I should clarify that I don't think Tinashe is guilt-free - I think she gets in her own way because she's too conspicuously desperate to be a STAR, and she doesn't seem to know how to read a room so she stays pissing urban fans off with some banal statement about trivial ish. However, the label is the one that I expect to 'know better' to a certain extent, being the one staffed with a&r reps and execs who are supposed to be experts at this.
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Post by Ty on Jul 20, 2017 22:07:28 GMT -5
FWIW I feel like HEAUX was referring to award shows and not late night TV. But even then, I do recall her doing the Soul Train Awards and that very brief appearance at the MTV Movie Awards with Ty Dolla Sign. And of course let's not forget the Janet tribute. Regardless, the conversation is moot before we even make it to talking about booked appearances or videos b/c RCA is notorious for not even sending her songs for radio adds most of the time. She hasn't had a song sent to urban since Pretend flopped, and you would think urban is supposed to be her core format! But they do this weird thing where they keep sending stuff to rhythmic (where she can usually pull off a top 10 hit, but the format is too small for this to move units) and pop (where nothing ever happens b/c pop doesn't know a thing about her and r&b-lite is just not where CHR is right now). I don't think she's ever had an interview with a CHR station, but she's had interviews with urban ones. That's why Tinashe fans often feel that the label has done "nothing" for her. It's not so much that RCA never did anything, but what they have done for her has been scattered and unfocused, and it never matches with what T's management is able to line up for her (I assume getting booked is usually management's responsibility). I mentioned this a page or two back but RCA and T both seem to be confused as to who her target audience truly is. The label only seems interested in halfhearted pop attempts but Tinashe makes music and conducts interviews as if she is focused on the urban crowd so nothing ever translates. Hers is a tale of apparent ineptitude more than pure neglect. The weirdest part is how the label has her recording more songs. You'd think at some point all this extra recording would just be more wasted money than making and releasing a video in a timely manner would be...she has to have recorded enough material for three album cycles by now. Just throw something out there and let her flop in relative peace instead of delaying the inevitable. Whoever T's management is deserves a raise though because her name stays out there despite all indications that there's no interest in her music. She should try her hand more at writing for others, commercial modeling and/or acting. I don't think she's completely anathema as a name, but she's going to starve to death if she's waiting on this music thing to really explode for her. Or just hook up with some big rappers and lend verses to their songs. I agree that the interests in her is definitely there but probably not so much in her as a solo artist at this point. She needs to lower herself first to get out of her present situation. |
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Post by stunnedout on Jul 21, 2017 2:06:39 GMT -5
That Britney collab for example - it flopped because Britney herself isn't radio bait anymore and doesn't push her own material much so I don't know if I can view that as a real hook-up...more like someone being nice and giving Tinashe the ultimate fan day sweepstakes prize to make up for her not being able to release her own music lol. If the issue is that she's too middle of the road then it's on RCA to to pick a side - not just with the promotion but with the A&R - and I don't think that is too much to ask of any label. The fact that the song wasn't some massive hit circa 2008 doesn't mean it wasn't a great step for her. Britney Spears is an icon, legend, a superstar. For a nobody like Tinashe to be on a song and video with her is way more than she could ever deserve and an amazing opportunity for exposure. Britney doesn't go around working with a bunch of randoms. A flop Britney single is going to do more than anything Tinashe is doing on her own. It doesn't even matter if the song was a hit. It was still a GREAT look for her because being in a video with Britney Spears is going to elevate her profile and put millions of eyes on her. The point is she has been given multiple opportunities for exposure as an artist. The looks she has received over the last 2 years should've made her a superstar by now. People just don't care about her because she really comes off as being very boring and vanilla. RCA isn't perfect, but they have gone above and beyond for her. This girl has ben given so many chances. She literally has a string of flop singles at this point (Party favors, playa, superlove, company, flame) and they have spent a fortune on her. Sometimes you jus can't make fetch happen. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 21, 2017 5:26:21 GMT -5
I'm admittedly biased because I think RCA is ass for their entire r&b roster outside of Bryson Tiller and Khalid (and even then I can't tell for sure if that's RCA's heavy lifting or their own teams doing all the work - I read once that Chris has had to pretty much have to fend for self ever since being under them), but I have no qualms nitpicking their every bad move because they make so many of them. Saying Tinashe got more than x, y, z labelmates is true but also kind of like telling a person who is paralyzed from the waist down to be grateful that they're not a paraplegic. Bish still can't walk! A million times this. There's no doubt that RCA has given Tinashe opportunities and pushed her. The problem is, they've done NOTHING right. And in the end, they've hurt her more than anything else. She had more power when she was a small time artist with a lot of buzz. Now she's a perpetual flop like Nicole S. and Rita Ora. And once you get that rep, it makes it even harder to launch yourself. She'll be better off sticking to her more indie minded Urban music and breaking hardcore into acting and building a brand that way at this point. But I also agree with you that she is her own worst enemy, always sticking her foot in her mouth and refusing to recognize her place in this industry and where she should focus her energy. I appreciate her hunger to be bigtime, but she needs a reality check. |
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Post by thezatch on Aug 1, 2017 19:05:52 GMT -5
Okay, Tinasha, that's coo and all but can I get another mixtape of Joyride leftovers or somethin'? "Flame" ain't cutting it.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Aug 1, 2017 19:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by stunnedout on Aug 26, 2017 3:14:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 11:59:31 GMT -5
I'm still bopping to Nightride, especially Sacrifices
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 14:49:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd rather have her just go back to her making her amazing mixtapes, since that was some amazing stuff
Nor does it seem like the record label plans on ever letting her release Joyride
But seriously look at all her pieces from the mixtapes: hints of urban, R&B, darker sounds, it was all there and she hit at home
Honey even sample an instrumental off a whole Britney song (Blur) and made it her own masterpiece(Can't Say No)
She gets so much acclaim for her mixtapes & the 2 albums thus far, maybe one day another label will save her.
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I love the cut, but wish she'd gone with a chestnut hair color. Well, really I would have liked it most if she stayed with her natural black but then she would have gotten a ton of Rihanna comparisons that she'd never win.
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