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Post by davidcountry on Jul 26, 2020 7:05:02 GMT -5
Small market radios have an increase of listeners when large markets are losing listeners. Small market tend to favor acts like Jon Pardi, Aaron Watson, Parker McCollum, Randy Rogers Band, Joe and Martina ft. John Barry, Garth Brooks, Trisha Yearwood, Sammy Kershaw, Midland, Tiffany Woys, Clay Hollis, Danny Griego, The Desert City Ramblers, Noah Cyrus, Tim McGraw and others. Those artists are more traditional than Kelsea Ballerini, Maren Morris, Lauren Alainna, Travis Denning, Gabby Barrett, Chris Jansen, Luke Bryan, Kane Brown and others. My local radio station plays more of Tiffany than they do of the Lauren, Maren, Kelsea and Gabby. The problem with the mainstream is the autotune and the songs sound way too much of the rap songs and other pop songs. The new Diplo ft. Noah Cyrus song sound more traditional country. The differences between Lauren and Tiffany is that Lauren have the money from a major label to get the song pushed. Tiffany experience was working fot Radio Disney Country and spending her own money to push her songs. How long Getting Good been out? Almost a year now barely getting top 30 status. Took Tiffany a lot less time to get to close to top 40 status with less money. Loved By You is much better song than Getting Good which is why it is doing well. Just need the large markets to start playing this song like they are now doing with Stepanie Quayle's song Watcha Drinking About. 1. Yeah no that is pretty blatantly false given how unknown all of these Indicator artists are. (to your first sentence). The airplay chart panel gives more exposure than the indicator since most stations are on the panel. 2. I doubt many if any country radio station is playing Tiffany Woys more than Maren Morris and Gabby Barrett who both have some of the biggest songs of the year in "The Bones" and "I Hope". Also country music evolves as the sound changes over time. 3. Quality is very subjective and saying "Song #1 is a better song than Song #2 and that is why song #1 is doing better than #2" is just not true because quality is a very subjective term. Also it is not even like Stephanie Quayle is getting played that much on the mainstream since she is barely on the airplay chart. I also think it is kind of laughable to imply that Tiffany Woys is more popular than Lauren Alaina when "Getting Good" is nearing 4 million views on YouTube while Tiffany Woys has barely over 60k views I think that is the problem right there when the large markets go by population and not by how many listeners. The Billboard and Mediabase charts caculates the population of the large markets with spins and not by the number of requests by listeners. The Fort Smith pop station had Live Like You Were Dying, What Hurts The Most, Stuck Like Glue, Long Hot Summer, Red Solo Cup to name a few as the most requested songs almost everyday. Even Dirt Road Anthem got the requested. Spins do not really matter since the listeners wanted to hear those songs, and the number 1 pop songs in the country were not in the top 20 most requested. As it is, Tiffany Woys is getting the love right now from listeners since people are tired of hearing Getting Good right now. My radio station I listen to are not on neither panels. The closests are MusicRow and Radio Wave charts. Second, when you had Aaron Watson with the number 1 album in the country, and being rejected by large markets still is a questin as will when neither BillBoard or Mediabase cover the radio stations on their panels in Texas where Aaron gets the hits. Texas charts are getting artists from other states, Canada and Auastralia to chart there. Buddy Brown also gets number 1 single on Spotify, and he is not getting played on the major markets either. Ryan Upchurch got the number spot on I-Tunes as well. The mainstream have become a joke when the country charts used to be a varity of sounds from all sub-groups including bluegrass and Folk. Each genres are supposed to have a different sound, but most of these songs right now on the mainstream charts would be charted under pop charts back in the 80s and 90s. Now, there is no visible lines between the pop charts and the country charts since they all mainly sound the same. I am 51, and I love all genres of music. I want them to sound different, not the same. There are many like me that want country be back to traditional sounding. Yes, a little pop, but not too much.
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Post by recordyear on Jul 26, 2020 8:18:25 GMT -5
I think that is the problem right there when the large markets go by population and not by how many listeners. The Billboard and Mediabase charts caculates the population of the large markets with spins and not by the number of requests by listeners. The Fort Smith pop station had Live Like You Were Dying, What Hurts The Most, Stuck Like Glue, Long Hot Summer, Red Solo Cup to name a few as the most requested songs almost everyday. Even Dirt Road Anthem got the requested. Spins do not really matter since the listeners wanted to hear those songs, and the number 1 pop songs in the country were not in the top 20 most requested. As it is, Tiffany Woys is getting the love right now from listeners since people are tired of hearing Getting Good right now. My radio station I listen to are not on neither panels. The closests are MusicRow and Radio Wave charts. Second, when you had Aaron Watson with the number 1 album in the country, and being rejected by large markets still is a questin as will when neither BillBoard or Mediabase cover the radio stations on their panels in Texas where Aaron gets the hits. Texas charts are getting artists from other states, Canada and Auastralia to chart there. Buddy Brown also gets number 1 single on Spotify, and he is not getting played on the major markets either. Ryan Upchurch got the number spot on I-Tunes as well. The mainstream have become a joke when the country charts used to be a varity of sounds from all sub-groups including bluegrass and Folk. Each genres are supposed to have a different sound, but most of these songs right now on the mainstream charts would be charted under pop charts back in the 80s and 90s. Now, there is no visible lines between the pop charts and the country charts since they all mainly sound the same. I am 51, and I love all genres of music. I want them to sound different, not the same. There are many like me that want country be back to traditional sounding. Yes, a little pop, but not too much. I believe your heart is in good place but you really need to learn how radio and chart works nowadays. 1. The reason why spins do not really matter (if it does not) is not because "listeners wanted to hear those songs", it's mainly because of playlisting and practices between corporate that decide most of singles that go to top 5 will eventually go to the top no matter what, by boosting midnight spins or reducing spins from competing songs. They do not purely based on whether "listeners wanted to hear those songs". 2. "Listeners" needs to be defined from that sentence. Tiffany Woys may get love from small market listeners as you say, but it is most likely a small number because small market listeners are not many obviously. Moreover, there are no large market comparisons that show Tiffany Woys is getting more love than Lauren Alaina from listeners. 3. I understand your point of diversity but technically mainstream country airplay still has songs by artists from other nationality than the US such as Keith Urban (Australian) and Tenille Arts (Canadian) this week, and MacKenzie Porter and Lindsay Ell (both Canadian) in New & Active section. 4. Last time I checked the no.1 single on US Spotify on chart date 25/7/2020 is cardigan by Taylor Swift with 2,467,977 streams. Please give citation of your claim of "Buddy Brown also gets number 1 single on Spotify". Playlists do not count because they are not charts.
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Post by davidcountry on Jul 26, 2020 10:41:48 GMT -5
Buddy Brown Number 1 AlbumI made a mistake. I knew he was number 1, but it was on I-tunes back in 2016 of his debut album where it did went to number 1. What I am saying is that the taste of music are different from other areas. That is why I do my own top 100 country songs and any songs that hit 25 weeks go recurrent. Tiffany is at number 32 on my chart while Getting Good is recurrent. There are a lot of us agree that BillBoard and Mediabase restructure their charts for radio airplay to a point like 25 to 30 weeks range to throw out the stale songs.
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Post by jessy on Jul 26, 2020 11:32:16 GMT -5
The small artist like Tiffany woys shouldn’t even be compared to bigger artists like Lauren Allaina. Because smaller artists label situation is different not as much money pushing them compared to bigger label artists. Tiffany woys is successful for what she is and the resources she has backing her. The hope with artists like this is they gradually pay there dues and gain support from bigger labels. With more money to push them. But it’s amazing what some Indy small label artists is able to do with little or smaller market AirPlay. Artists like Buddy brown for example seems very satisfied with there amount of success. Seems to be making a decent living with the direction there going. Even Sara Evans who’s radio success has diminished. I’d argue that she’s doing just fine because Of mostly touring brings in enough income to make a living and make music. Now if kellie pickler would follow the same direction as Sara Evans I’d be ecstatic. Because I’m craving new pickler music!
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Post by recordyear on Jul 28, 2020 2:02:17 GMT -5
Bri Bagwell has #1 song on Texas Regional Radio Report this week with As Soon As You.
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Post by davidcountry on Jul 30, 2020 12:46:22 GMT -5
Different panel of stations. Indicator is smaller market stations. This might just debut on the main country charts soon since under CDX TRACtion report, it is already being played on the larger markets and still getting added. Just four spots out from their top 80 chart. It could explain why they jumped back up 3 spots on the Indicator Chart.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 2, 2020 7:19:30 GMT -5
Bri Bagwell has #1 song on Texas Regional Radio Report this week with As Soon As You. From the way that song moved quickly on the Texas charts. They are thinking of pushing it to mainstream. They are pushing Josh Abbott's Band hit single from last year to be pushing a major radio airplay. I think it would be time that mainstream radio to correct to go back playing all types of sub-genres that made country radio like it was in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. We had bluegrass number 1 on the country, pop and Billboard Hot 100 chart at the same time in the 60s with Flatt and Scruggs with "The Balled of Jed Clampett" from the tv show The Beverly Hillbillies. Pop charts before 1984 was what is the most popular song of the time which looked like Billboard Top 100 today.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 4, 2020 13:55:57 GMT -5
This was a hit on the Texas chart last year, but Mediabase showed this is now being released to main stream country radio on July 20th. Seems like more Texas artists are throwing themselves into the big fish market this. Randy Rogers Band, Casey Donahew, Parker McCollum, Randy Rogers and Wade Bowen, Kylie Frey, Randall King to name a few.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 4, 2020 14:09:48 GMT -5
She is mostly Bluegrass, but she is making her new album and single to the mainstream radio. This is along the lines of Alison Krauss and the Union Station with the massive hit with a cover of a Keith Whitley song.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 4, 2020 14:16:55 GMT -5
"Something That We Can Dance To" is Matt's latest single. It have been a few years since we got "Hey Dad." I always thought he would have been a big star after "Shine." He is not on a label, and looks like a self release. He is radio friendly at least.
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Post by christinafazz9 on Aug 4, 2020 14:22:39 GMT -5
She is mostly Bluegrass, but she is making her new album and single to the mainstream radio. This is along the lines of Alison Krauss and the Union Station with the massive hit with a cover of a Keith Whitley song. I saw 'em bluegrass and this got me hyped! Love this. Still waiting for Carly Pearce bluegrass album or single tho her music do featured dobro predominantly.
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Aug 4, 2020 14:23:23 GMT -5
I really like this one! I wish it would be a mainstream hit.
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Post by Dustin J. on Aug 4, 2020 15:09:47 GMT -5
While I appreciate what you're trying to do here (I really do), can we please shift these releases you're posting to the country sub-board?
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Post by gonecountry on Aug 4, 2020 16:10:16 GMT -5
good song. Josh Abbot has some incredible music out there. His "Front Row Seat" is a semi-masterpiece that chronicles the trajectory of his failed first marriage. His most recent album "Until My Voice Goes Out" is also a solid album from front to back. Frankly, they all are.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 4, 2020 17:56:31 GMT -5
We are only looking at songs released to radio from major labels which they are not the only songs released. Small and Independent labels and artists do get played on mainstream radio airplay. There have been history thst the small boys do get top 40 hits and at times number 1.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 4, 2020 18:28:37 GMT -5
Per the rules, self-released songs not being promoted to radio by a label are not supposed to have their own threads. This forum would be incredibly cluttered if every joe schmoe had a thread created for every new song. sabre14
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Post by Dustin J. on Aug 4, 2020 18:43:46 GMT -5
We are only looking at songs released to radio from major labels which they are not the only songs released. Small and Independent labels and artists do get played on mainstream radio airplay. There have been history thst the small boys do get top 40 hits and at times number 1. Again, you're not going to find anybody who pulls for the indie/small label artists more than me. I can 100% promise you that. I'm simply asking that you post your info in the correct place.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 4, 2020 23:01:53 GMT -5
We are only looking at songs released to radio from major labels which they are not the only songs released. Small and Independent labels and artists do get played on mainstream radio airplay. There have been history thst the small boys do get top 40 hits and at times number 1. Again, you're not going to find anybody who pulls for the indie/small label artists more than me. I can 100% promise you that. I'm simply asking that you post your info in the correct place. Josh Abbott is listed as part of Thirty Tigers that both Aaron Watson and Clint Black both have their songs posted on the Main Airplay section. Second, I am getting the new releases from MusicRow Magazine who is more in depth inside the industry than Mediabase. All the songs that I posted are listed on the Main Airplay radio. A lot of these artists appeared on Mediabase Add list the past few years as well. These songs are not non-singles, and they would be in the wrong place as well.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 5, 2020 0:13:14 GMT -5
Again, you're not going to find anybody who pulls for the indie/small label artists more than me. I can 100% promise you that. I'm simply asking that you post your info in the correct place. Josh Abbott is listed as part of Thirty Tigers that both Aaron Watson and Clint Black both have their songs posted on the Main Airplay section. Second, I am getting the new releases from MusicRow Magazine who is more in depth inside the industry than Mediabase. All the songs that I posted are listed on the Main Airplay radio. A lot of these artists appeared on Mediabase Add list the past few years as well. These songs are not non-singles, and they would be in the wrong place as well. The Josh Abbott Band single is actually a mainstream release as well (although it won't do much). However, the main section of the Pulse country forum is meant to be for mainstream single discussion, as .indulgecountry and Dustin J. eluded to. I love many artists on secondary, Texas, Americana and Canadian radio -- but if we had a thread for every single released to those specific country formats, along with the mainstream releases, we would have too many current threads at once in the forum, lasting a dozen or more pages and all the threads getting lost in the shuffle, which would not be in the best interest. I'm not saying you shouldn't bring up and discuss these songs or artists -- just that they be mentioned in other/specific threads here in the sub-form, such as this one and the Discovery thread, along with the News & Non-Singles thread, which can be for any country music related discussion, really. I love the passion you're bringing, but this is just a friendly mention that the main country forum page is meant for mainstream single releases. :)
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Post by gardyfan on Aug 5, 2020 12:37:50 GMT -5
Again, you're not going to find anybody who pulls for the indie/small label artists more than me. I can 100% promise you that. I'm simply asking that you post your info in the correct place. Josh Abbott is listed as part of Thirty Tigers that both Aaron Watson and Clint Black both have their songs posted on the Main Airplay section. Second, I am getting the new releases from MusicRow Magazine who is more in depth inside the industry than Mediabase. All the songs that I posted are listed on the Main Airplay radio. A lot of these artists appeared on Mediabase Add list the past few years as well. These songs are not non-singles, and they would be in the wrong place as well. However Music Row's charts are based on secondary radio and smaller markets.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 5, 2020 14:51:07 GMT -5
Josh Abbott is listed as part of Thirty Tigers that both Aaron Watson and Clint Black both have their songs posted on the Main Airplay section. Second, I am getting the new releases from MusicRow Magazine who is more in depth inside the industry than Mediabase. All the songs that I posted are listed on the Main Airplay radio. A lot of these artists appeared on Mediabase Add list the past few years as well. These songs are not non-singles, and they would be in the wrong place as well. However Music Row's charts are based on secondary radio and not smaller markets. I think the problem is that in the 80s and 90s, the oldest song on the charts would be 20 weeks, and the least would be like 1 week. More than half the songs in the top 40 would be in Recurrents by now that are over 20 weeks old. Many of the songs I posted would be top 40 hits. If I were in charge of Mediabase and Billboard? I would change the rules for these songs who have not reached number 1 in 20 weeks should go recurrent. There are a backlog of new music being shafted. This dominence of the major record labels found a loophole around the Payola laws. I read somewhere that the record companies said if they do not spin these records? They could stop supporting these radio stations. There is another Payola type scam going on if songs like I Hope, After A Few and others reached number 1 after being released over a year? Then, there is a problem. Now, they are pushing One Big Country Song by LoCash to be number 1. That song was out like over a year now. Something really needs to get this stopped. These songs are terrible songs to be number 1.
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Post by gardyfan on Aug 5, 2020 15:07:40 GMT -5
However Music Row's charts are based on secondary radio and not smaller markets. I think the problem is that in the 80s and 90s, the oldest song on the charts would be 20 weeks, and the least would be like 1 week. More than half the songs in the top 40 would be in Recurrents by now that are over 20 weeks old. Many of the songs I posted would be top 40 hits. If I were in charge of Mediabase and Billboard? I would change the rules for these songs who have not reached number 1 in 20 weeks should go recurrent. There are a backlog of new music being shafted. This dominence of the major record labels found a loophole around the Payola laws. I read somewhere that the record companies said if they do not spin these records? They could stop supporting these radio stations. There is another Payola type scam going on if songs like I Hope, After A Few and others reached number 1 after being released over a year? Then, there is a problem. Now, they are pushing One Big Country Song by LoCash to be number 1. That song was out like over a year now. Something really needs to get this stopped. These songs are terrible songs to be number 1. 20 weeks is no longer realistic. Some songs take that long to crack the top 50. There are many more artists out there than back then. Major label artists have more success because they have a lot more promotion behind them. Smaller labels and indy artists don't have that. While I do agree a year is way too long, 20 weeks is probably too short these days.
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Post by cousingerard on Aug 6, 2020 10:56:20 GMT -5
"Rodeo Clown" from Randy Rogers and Wade Bowen's Hold My Beer Vol. 2 album has been one of the biggest hits on the Texas Charts so far this year.. It's since gone recurrent.. If anyone's here that's heard this album...what would be a good choice for Single #2? Seems like they could go 3-4 deep with this album pretty easily.
Obviously...probably anything Randy or Wade send to Texas Radio will probably be a huge hit, but.. What's the best choice after "Rodeo Clown?"
I'd say: - Hold My Beer - Rhinestoned - Let Merle Be Merle
AM/FM is great song, but might not work the best as a single..
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Post by recordyear on Aug 6, 2020 11:24:26 GMT -5
"Rodeo Clown" from Randy Rogers and Wade Bowen's Hold My Beer Vol. 2 album has been one of the biggest hits on the Texas Charts so far this year.. It's since gone recurrent.. If anyone's here that's heard this album...what would be a good choice for Single #2? Seems like they could go 3-4 deep with this album pretty easily. Obviously...probably anything Randy or Wade send to Texas Radio will probably be a huge hit, but.. What's the best choice after "Rodeo Clown?" I'd say: - Hold My Beer - Rhinestoned - Let Merle Be Merle AM/FM is great song, but might not work the best as a single.. Let Merle Be Merle has a kinda weird line. It's still a good song but I don't want it to be a single, especially since Rhinestoned exists anyway. Would be cool if they send This Ain't My Town.
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 9, 2020 10:38:02 GMT -5
"Rodeo Clown" from Randy Rogers and Wade Bowen's Hold My Beer Vol. 2 album has been one of the biggest hits on the Texas Charts so far this year.. It's since gone recurrent.. If anyone's here that's heard this album...what would be a good choice for Single #2? Seems like they could go 3-4 deep with this album pretty easily. Obviously...probably anything Randy or Wade send to Texas Radio will probably be a huge hit, but.. What's the best choice after "Rodeo Clown?" I'd say: - Hold My Beer - Rhinestoned - Let Merle Be Merle AM/FM is great song, but might not work the best as a single.. Let Merle Be Merle has a kinda weird line. It's still a good song but I don't want it to be a single, especially since Rhinestoned exists anyway. Would be cool if they send This Ain't My Town. Rodeo Clown is still be play on the small radio markets right now. CMT had the video up for their voting page for hitting the top 20.
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Post by cousingerard on Aug 9, 2020 15:36:22 GMT -5
Let Merle Be Merle has a kinda weird line. It's still a good song but I don't want it to be a single, especially since Rhinestoned exists anyway. Would be cool if they send This Ain't My Town. Rodeo Clown is still be play on the small radio markets right now. CMT had the video up for their voting page for hitting the top 20. Right, davidcountry, I get that it's still being played on some stations.. But it's not being actively promoted as a current single to Texas/Red Dirt radio.. So I just wanted to see what people thought might be a good follow-up single..
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 13, 2020 9:42:53 GMT -5
This is real country music from the 50s and 60s that reminds me of Johnny Cash and Marty Robbins type of songs. We do need a national chart that have Country Pop and one for True Country.
We might want to start like threads that explained the different types of country music. This type of music got wound up under as Americana, but it is not. It is pure country sound of the old days. Colter Wall is another one that got mislabled. We could have a thread about Americana Country or it would be called Classic country sound of the likes of Hank Williams, Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Johnny Cash, Marty Robbins, Charley Crockett, Corb Lund, Danny Griego, Colter Wall, Orville Peck, Mason Ramsay and others. Neo-traditional country like Jon Pardi, Joe and Martina, Sammy Kershaw, Clay Hollis, Danny Griego, Chancey Williams,Dean Brody, Jon Wolfe, John Berry, Tim McGraw and the likes. I think a lot of people are confused what country music is about. The classic country artists even got number 1 hits on pop radio. Then, you have outsiders outside of Nashville that came in the 70s that took over the music scene, and turned it into pop saying country music do not sell. The history is that true country sound do sell albums. Patsy Cline, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Eddy Arnold, Gene Autry, Brenda Lee and others hit number 1 or have the higher ranked songs of the year. Patsy Cline never hit number 1 on the Billboard Hot 100, but wound up in the top 10 songs of the year. The Ballad of Jedd Clampett was the first bluegrass that hit the pop charts in the 1960s. It is the theme to the tv show Beverly Hillbillies. People say the music that Charley makes won't sell, but the history of the music industry says it is not true.
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Post by cousingerard on Aug 13, 2020 10:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 20, 2020 19:43:46 GMT -5
Dallas Smith has the #1 song in Canada this week with Like A Man. Congratulations!
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Post by davidcountry on Aug 31, 2020 21:24:42 GMT -5
New song from Andrew Farriss. His debut solo album have been delayed by the virus.
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