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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 17, 2015 16:22:07 GMT -5
I disagree. This mornings update has Carrie passing Chris on MB, after one day. I think Sony is done with Chris and Carrie will take both charts. They pulled Chris's max spin ad and replaced it with carries.
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Post by Libra on Nov 17, 2015 18:41:42 GMT -5
I disagree. This mornings update has Carrie passing Chris on MB, after one day. Try again. 'Twas Cole who got passed, not Chris. Though I do agree that she looks to have the momentum going for her to rule come week's end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 18:56:48 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood is ahead in spins that's it. I just think Sony will try to effectively split the charts so Chris Young can have his song also be a MB #1 it at least what I would do since Dan + Shay are really slowing down. I think it's smart for Sony to move Carrie right behind Chris than Chris gets his MB #1 then next Monday Carrie can get the BB #1 since the spins lost from Chris go to Carrie and she can get the #1. I know there's a max spins for Carrie but I think Sony is still going to try to have both Chris and Carrie as a MB #1 and BB #1. Cole getting the MB #1 I think might have really put a wrenuin the plan.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 17, 2015 22:21:12 GMT -5
Kind of confusing but there's still an ad for Carrie for max spins this week, obviously, but there's an ad for Chris saying "max spins next week". So, it looks like they're trying to push Carrie on both charts this week, and are going for Chris to get back to #1 next week? Anyone have a better take on what's going on?
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 17, 2015 22:24:05 GMT -5
Kind of confusing but there's still an ad for Carrie for max spins this week, obviously, but there's an ad for Chris saying "max spins next week". So, it looks like they're trying to push Carrie on both charts this week, and are going for Chris to get back to #1 next week? Anyone have a better take on what's going on? That would indicate that they're only pushing for the MB #1 for Carrie, thus letting Chris get 3 weeks at #1 on Billboard.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 17, 2015 22:29:32 GMT -5
It appears that Sony/Arista Nashville is trying to get "Smoke Break" to peak as soon as possible so it will allow them to get "Heartbeat" out for the desired date. As long as it hits #1 on either chart, they're fine with it.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 17, 2015 22:31:14 GMT -5
Kind of confusing but there's still an ad for Carrie for max spins this week, obviously, but there's an ad for Chris saying "max spins next week". So, it looks like they're trying to push Carrie on both charts this week, and are going for Chris to get back to #1 next week? Anyone have a better take on what's going on? That would indicate that they're only pushing for the MB #1 for Carrie, thus letting Chris get 3 weeks at #1 on Billboard. Or could it indicate that they're trying to get Carrie to #1 on both this week, and Chris on both next week? The implication I see is that they're willing to lay off the gas pedal for Chris, and go pedal-to-the-metal for Carrie. So, I guess this begs the question, is Carrie within reach of #1 on both charts? I guess I'd be content for a MB only #1, but a BB #1 would be really nice since Carrie's last was in 2012 and only one solo female has reached #1 on the BB Airplay chart since then... smh...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 22:36:28 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood was only within a couple million of Chris Young this week so she could nab the BB #1 what I think what we are gonna see pan out is this MB Carrie Underwood Chris Young BB Carrie Underwood Chris Young
I'm calling it Carrie will get both and her and Chris will switch out.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 17, 2015 22:36:51 GMT -5
They're idiots if they are, once again, pushing for a MB-only #1.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 18, 2015 17:27:04 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood was only within a couple million of Chris Young this week so she could nab the BB #1 what I think what we are gonna see pan out is this MB Carrie Underwood Chris Young BB Carrie Underwood Chris Young I'm calling it Carrie will get both and her and Chris will switch out. I hope you're right. Otherwise, there will be hell to pay in Carrie Nation.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 18, 2015 19:14:03 GMT -5
If Sony were still pushing Chris, they would be galloping ahead of Carrie but Carrie is ahead in spins and close on billboard. We've got 4 days, they can do it
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 18, 2015 19:22:38 GMT -5
Since Warner Music is too far behind and playing nice with Sony (they never had much of a choice anyway), I can safely say that whatever happens this week come Sunday and Monday, the outcome will be exactly what Sony wanted since they can pretty much do what they wish with the top of both charts this week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 19:25:43 GMT -5
They're idiots if they are, once again, pushing for a MB-only #1. I'm afraid that that's what we're going to see. While I'd love to see Carrie get the #1 on both charts, I just don't see it happening. To me, it appears that what's happening right now is exactly what happened when "Save It For A Rainy Day" peaked (and it got 3 weeks at #1, of course). For those that don't remember, here's how it went down: 1st week - Chris Janson #1 MB, Kenny Chesney #1 BB 2nd week - Keith Urban #1 MB, Kenny Chesney #1 BB 3rd week - Kenny Chesney #1 MB, Kenny Chesney #1 BB Swap Chris Janson for Cole Swindell, Keith Urban for Carrie Underwood, and Chris Young for Kenny Chesney. The reason I think it will play out this way is because Carrie's push started on Sunday already, which was the 7th day for last week's Billboard issue but the 1st day of the new Mediabase week. Carrie actually started seeing pretty big gains on Friday (so, the update on Saturday morning, the 14th). Here's a look at the last 7 days for "Smoke Break": 11/12: +42 spins, +0.098 mil audience (reflecting Wednesday airplay) 11/13: +20 spins, +0.381 mil (Thursday) 11/14: +57 spins, +0.672 mil (Friday) 11/15: +78 spins, +0.651 mil (Saturday) 11/16: +130 spins, +0.962 mil (Sunday -- 1st day of the new MB week, but 7th day of the BB week; hence why I think we'll see a MB-only #1 for Carrie) 11/17: +95 spins, +0.648 mil (Monday) 11/18: +100 spins, +0.836 mil (Tuesday) Meanwhile, Sony is doing a remarkable job with "I'm Comin' Over" (it hit #1 on Monday's Billboard chart and has continued to post small gains since), and so I really think that Chris will spend 3 weeks at #1 here. Sony won't care that Carrie will get a MB-only #1. They'll be able to claim a #1 for her and a multi-week #1 for Chris. I'm disappointed of course because I don't put much stock in the Mediabase chart, so for Carrie to come out on top there means little to nothing for me, but oh well. I'm just explaining how the label will view it. I'll be frustrated and disappointed if this scenario does indeed play out, and Carrie gets held up short of the top spot on Billboard once again. All Sony needs to do is keep pushing through Sunday to get Carrie ahead of Chris on Billboard (she'll probably pass him on MB within the next day or two), but I'm not expecting them to do what I want. No, I expect that they'll pull the plug Sunday morning once the Mediabase #1 is secure, allowing Chris' Billboard reign to continue, uninterrupted.
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Post by krud489 on Nov 19, 2015 7:23:02 GMT -5
I don't like to sound negative or blunt, but is there any way Carrie ISN'T screwed out of the BB #1.....AGAIN? It sure seems like they're making sure Chris stays in front there. I'm happy and grateful she's gonna get another MB #1 probably, but the BB deal is just so darn frustrating. Especially when its possible and its basically Sony's decision this week. Its gotta be close over there at BB.
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Post by desertfloods on Nov 19, 2015 7:29:08 GMT -5
Sorry for this really dumb question, especially for someone who has been on Pulse for so many years lol.... why do we have two charts in the first place? As in, what's the history behind keeping both Mediabase and Billboard charts?
I just find it incredibly frustrating to see that having two charts just means more manipulation from labels.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 19, 2015 8:49:07 GMT -5
Sorry for this really dumb question, especially for someone who has been on Pulse for so many years lol.... why do we have two charts in the first place? As in, what's the history behind keeping both Mediabase and Billboard charts? I just find it incredibly frustrating to see that having two charts just means more manipulation from labels. MediaBase doesn't archive their charts very well. If you go into a book store and go to the music reference section, you'll find a ton of Billboard books about top 40 hits, #1 hits, etc.. When they decide to update the next top 40 book, Carrie Underwood's section will be greatly enhanced. However, you will see more #2s and even a #3 before her hits. I just saw jhomes87's post about Chris Young getting three weeks at the top. That will spell disaster for Underwood. I was really hoping she would get a #1 here, but looks like another #2 peaker. Moves to #1 at MediaBase: 4 1 CARRIE UNDERWOOD Smoke Break 8478 7889 589 56.612
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Post by blujayyoungs on Nov 19, 2015 9:29:07 GMT -5
YES!!!! #1!!!!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 19, 2015 10:32:04 GMT -5
Big fat boo @ Carrie missing the top on BB with her fifth single in a row. Absolutely incredible for one of the format's two biggest females to keep having this happen. Chris Young did not need 3 weeks at #1, much as I love his song, too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 10:40:34 GMT -5
Ok let's not dismiss that Carrie Underwood is completely out of the running. There is still time from now to Monday for Carrie to hit the top. There's still plenty of time and I won't be surprised if Carrie can somehow sneak into the top spot.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 19, 2015 10:50:43 GMT -5
Ok let's not dismiss that Carrie Underwood is completely out of the running. There is still time from now to Monday for Carrie to hit the top. There's still plenty of time and I won't be surprised if Carrie can somehow sneak into the top spot. Except there is literally no reason for Sony to be keeping Chris afloat here - which they clearly are - if not to secure multiple weeks for him atop Billboard, especially seeing as Carrie now leads Mediabase.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 10:55:43 GMT -5
Ok let's not dismiss that Carrie Underwood is completely out of the running. There is still time from now to Monday for Carrie to hit the top. There's still plenty of time and I won't be surprised if Carrie can somehow sneak into the top spot. Except there is literally no reason for Sony to be keeping Chris afloat here - which they clearly are - if not to secure multiple weeks for him atop Billboard, especially seeing as Carrie now leads Mediabase. With the way Carrie Underwood is gaining this week she might unexpectedly pull the upset. Provided Carrie Underwood fans who are chart watchers for Carrie are probably going hysterical.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 19, 2015 10:59:28 GMT -5
Except there is literally no reason for Sony to be keeping Chris afloat here - which they clearly are - if not to secure multiple weeks for him atop Billboard, especially seeing as Carrie now leads Mediabase. With the way Carrie Underwood is gaining this week she might unexpectedly pull the upset. Provided Carrie Underwood fans who are chart watchers for Carrie are probably going hysterical. Hysterical? They're jumping off bridges.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 11:00:46 GMT -5
With the way Carrie Underwood is gaining this week she might unexpectedly pull the upset. Provided Carrie Underwood fans who are chart watchers for Carrie are probably going hysterical. Hysterical? They're jumping off bridges. No. Just that fan site they can get a little extreme on the Carrie love. It's cringe inducing.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 19, 2015 11:01:55 GMT -5
Except there is literally no reason for Sony to be keeping Chris afloat here - which they clearly are - if not to secure multiple weeks for him atop Billboard, especially seeing as Carrie now leads Mediabase. With the way Carrie Underwood is gaining this week she might unexpectedly pull the upset. Provided Carrie Underwood fans who are chart watchers for Carrie are probably going hysterical. But they're on the same label. It's not like Warner is battling Sony to keep Chris afloat. It's Sony controlling the show as sabre14 said earlier. The outcome they get will be the outcome they want.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 11:05:22 GMT -5
With the way Carrie Underwood is gaining this week she might unexpectedly pull the upset. Provided Carrie Underwood fans who are chart watchers for Carrie are probably going hysterical. But they're on the same label. It's not like Warner is battling Sony to keep Chris afloat. It's Sony controlling the show as sabre14 said earlier. The outcome they get will be the outcome they want. That is true they control it. But they're also capable of making Carrie #1 on both charts. Than next week have Chris Young takeover the top spot. If they really wanted to they can do that as well.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Nov 19, 2015 11:34:24 GMT -5
Sony is capable of snagging a two-chart #1 for "Smoke Break," but the fact that "I'm Comin' Over" continues to lead the Billboard Real-Time Tracker for the current week despite "Smoke Break"'s gains points to jhomes87 being right about Arista Nashville only going for a Mediabase #1 for "Smoke Break." I mentioned before that labels rarely settle for Billboard-only #1s, so it was always unlikely that "I'm Comin' Over" would peak without also hitting #1 at Mediabase. dm2081 pointed out that "Smoke Break" would have had a clear shot at a two-chart #1 next week if Sony pushed "I'm Comin' Over" for a Mediabase #1 this week, but there's a problem with that. Sony scheduled "Smoke Break"'s peak for this week in part, I imagine, because she will be performing some other Storyteller song at Sunday's AMAs. Meanwhile, Sony secured Chris Young #1 bragging rights (at Billboard) this past week to help promote his album release, which pretty much sealed "Smoke Break"'s fate at Billboard. It will probably be difficult to keep "Smoke Break" going past this week given Sunday's AMAs and the fact that "Heartbeat" was already close to charting at Billboard this week. So that means "Smoke Break" will likely peak this week. Now, since Carrie and Chris are in the same label family, that means Sony can hold off on "I'm Comin' Over"'s drive for Mediabase #1 until the next chart week. That likely means that "I'm Comin' Over" will see a big Sunday update (for the first day of the new Mediabase week), boosted somewhat by the fact that he is co-hosting Country Countdown USA this weekend. That big Sunday update will also count for this week's Billboard chart, though, and with "I'm Comin' Over" already leading there for the week so far, it's difficult to see how "Smoke Break" gets the Billboard #1 as well. Like I said earlier, the small market Indicator and Activator charts show what the more "natural" order of things would have been, without label meddling. "Smoke Break" stayed ahead of both "Break Up with Him" and "I'm Comin' Over" on both of those charts and hit #1 with ease. But on the main chart, "Smoke Break" was held back behind "Break Up with Him" once "Smoke Break" hit the top-10, and "I'm Comin' Over" got a push ahead to go with Chris Young's album release. So there we are. Window for Billboard #1 narrowed considerably, and probably closed. Of course, "Break Up with Him" and "I'm Comin' Over" were easier sells at radio anyway, considering they are performed by male artists. And they are clearly hits, probably bigger hits than "Smoke Break," based on streaming metrics. Still, this is continuation of a pattern at Sony, grabbing #2/#3 Billboard peaks for its female artists from the jaws of a #1. I hope they'll do better by Cam and "Burning House."
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 19, 2015 11:56:13 GMT -5
I've tried to be positive about her missing on the BB #1 again and again. I mean LTG and SITW and TBC just ran into bad luck and SYA was never likely to make it to #1 to begin with, but this is just plain stupidity. Carrie was sailing up the charts and all of a sudden, like always, she was stalled on purpose so her male label mates can sail up the charts and get a #1. Carrie should have been #1 weeks ago. She had a clear path to #1 multiple times but yet she was slowed down in favor of men. It's BS. I mean, the song with the most first week adds in country radio history is missing out on a BB #1?! What's wrong with this picture? Sony is total crap and Carrie should be looking for a new label once her idol contact runs out. They are screwing her over and over. The biggest female in the format hasn't had a #1 on BB in 3 years, yet they were bound and determined to get Kelsea Ballerini to #1. I'm done.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 19, 2015 12:00:21 GMT -5
I've tried to be positive about her missing on the BB #1 again and again. I mean LTG and SITW and TBC just ran into bad luck and SYA was never likely to make it to #1 to begin with, but this is just plain stupidity. Carrie was sailing up the charts and all of a sudden, like always, she was stalled on purpose so her male label mates can sail up the charts and get a #1. Carrie should have been #1 weeks ago. She had a clear path to #1 multiple times but yet she was slowed down in favor of men. It's BS. I mean, the song with the most first week adds in country radio history is missing out on a BB #1?! What's wrong with this picture? Sony is total crap and Carrie should be looking for a new label once her idol contact runs out. They are screwing her over and over. The biggest female in the format hasn't had a #1 on BB in 3 years, yet they were bound and determined to get Kelsea Ballerini to #1. I'm done. Yet, they'll get Cam to #1 with Burning House.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Nov 19, 2015 12:02:12 GMT -5
I've tried to be positive about her missing on the BB #1 again and again. I mean LTG and SITW and TBC just ran into bad luck and SYA was never likely to make it to #1 to begin with, but this is just plain stupidity. Carrie was sailing up the charts and all of a sudden, like always, she was stalled on purpose so her male label mates can sail up the charts and get a #1. Carrie should have been #1 weeks ago. She had a clear path to #1 multiple times but yet she was slowed down in favor of men. It's BS. I mean, the song with the most first week adds in country radio history is missing out on a BB #1?! What's wrong with this picture? Sony is total crap and Carrie should be looking for a new label once her idol contact runs out. They are screwing her over and over. The biggest female in the format hasn't had a #1 on BB in 3 years, yet they were bound and determined to get Kelsea Ballerini to #1. I'm done. Yet, they'll get Cam to #1 with Burning House. I'm tired of this level of chart manipulation. They should just go back to HCS pre-2014. At least it seemed fair.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 19, 2015 12:05:56 GMT -5
But Country Airplay is HCS before the methodology change.
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