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Post by jesster on Nov 12, 2015 15:33:29 GMT -5
Mortifying but I went to listen for it lol. Didn't actually hear it but possibly that is due to a mental block and losing brain cells with the video playing
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 12, 2015 16:18:37 GMT -5
Mortifying but I went to listen for it lol. Didn't actually hear it but possibly that is due to a mental block and losing brain cells with the video playing The video is much different from the radio and album version.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 12, 2015 16:46:33 GMT -5
Mortifying but I went to listen for it lol. Didn't actually hear it but possibly that is due to a mental block and losing brain cells with the video playing The video is much different from the radio and album version. Right. I can definitely hear it just playing it back in my head, so it's definitely there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 18:26:26 GMT -5
What I like most about the fiddle in those songs is how prominent a role they play. Listen to the openings of "These Are My People" and "Where the Green Grass Grows". Gives me chills every time. Every single time.
Now most songs just use them as background noise.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 12, 2015 19:11:09 GMT -5
One of the biggest reasons I love "Home Sweet Home" by The Farm so much is that there is just so much fiddle in the song, from start to finish. It was so refreshing on 2012 country radio.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 12, 2015 20:00:47 GMT -5
I liken the fiddle solo in Dierks' Draw me a Map to the solo in Amarillo by Morning. Love them both SO much.
Fiddle, mandolin and banjo are my favorites. More please.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 21:06:43 GMT -5
ITALICS = banjo, BOLD = fiddle/violin, UNDERLINE = slide
Country Aircheck issue dated 11/16/15
1. Let Me See Ya Girl - C. Swindell 2. I'm Comin' Over - C. Young 3. Smoke Break - C. Underwood 4. Nothin' Like You - Dan + Shay 5. Gonna - B. Shelton 6. Break Up With Him - Old Dominion 7. Gonna Know We Were Here - J. Aldean 8. Burning House - Cam 9. Top of the World - T. McGraw 10. Stay a Little Longer - Brothers Osborne
11. Die a Happy Man - T. Rhett 12. Anything Goes - Florida Georgia Line 13. I Love This Life - LoCash 14. Already Callin' You Mine - Parmalee 15. I Got the Boy - J. Kramer 16. Run Away With You - Big & Rich 17. Dibs - K. Ballerini 18. We Went - R. Houser 19. Country Nation - B. Paisley 20. Break Up in a Small Town - S. Hunt
21. Backroad Song - G. Smith 22. 21 - H. Hayes 23. Little Bit of You - C. Bryant 24. (This Ain't No) Drunk Dial - A Thousand Horses 25. Beautiful Drug - Zac Brown Band 26. Riser - D. Bentley 27. That Don't Sound Like You - L. Brice 28. I Like the Sound of That - Rascal Flatts 29. Break on Me - K. Urban 30. Drinkin' Town with a Football Problem - B. Currington
Banjo: 8/30 (-- from last wk) peak of 8/30 Fiddle/Violin: 5/30 (-- from last wk) peak of 5/30 Slide: 16/30 (+2 from last wk) peak of 16/30
There are only 4 songs that use more than one of these instruments (Anything Goes, Die a Happy Man, Country Nation, Break Up in a Small Town) and Country Nation is the only song that uses all three.
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Post by carriekins on Nov 15, 2015 21:16:55 GMT -5
Riser has a fiddle as well when it's performed live (that wasn't exclusive to the CMA performance), so I'm not sure if it's actually on the track and indistinguishable or just a live thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 22:24:02 GMT -5
Riser has a fiddle as well when it's performed live (that wasn't exclusive to the CMA performance), so I'm not sure if it's actually on the track and indistinguishable or just a live thing. It was beautiful on the CMAs and I'm sure it is in concert as well. The only reason I can think of the fiddle count going from 17/30 just a mere ten years ago to 5/30 today (when 2 of those 5 are violin) is because artists don't want their music to sound too "hick" to the average listener these days. Really disappointing. I would love someone to just go for it a give us a featured fiddle. Some big name. Luke, Blake, Carrie, Tim, Kenny, Dierks, Jason. They ALL used to. Brad still does. Blake threw bits and pieces in on his latest album. Didn't hear one from Dierks on Riser. None from Kenny, Jason, Carrie, or Tim. Luke used one in "Move" but that's all.
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Post by bksouthga on Nov 16, 2015 18:12:11 GMT -5
Riser has a fiddle as well when it's performed live (that wasn't exclusive to the CMA performance), so I'm not sure if it's actually on the track and indistinguishable or just a live thing. It was beautiful on the CMAs and I'm sure it is in concert as well. The only reason I can think of the fiddle count going from 17/30 just a mere ten years ago to 5/30 today (when 2 of those 5 are violin) is because artists don't want their music to sound too "hick" to the average listener these days. Really disappointing. I would love someone to just go for it a give us a featured fiddle. Some big name. Luke, Blake, Carrie, Tim, Kenny, Dierks, Jason. They ALL used to. Brad still does. Blake threw bits and pieces in on his latest album. Didn't hear one from Dierks on Riser. None from Kenny, Jason, Carrie, or Tim. Luke used one in "Move" but that's all. Oh, how I long for the days of "country girl shake it for me" by Luke Brian, which prominently features the banjo and the fiddle. Now there's a real country song!
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Post by carriekins on Nov 16, 2015 19:10:43 GMT -5
It was beautiful on the CMAs and I'm sure it is in concert as well. The only reason I can think of the fiddle count going from 17/30 just a mere ten years ago to 5/30 today (when 2 of those 5 are violin) is because artists don't want their music to sound too "hick" to the average listener these days. Really disappointing. I would love someone to just go for it a give us a featured fiddle. Some big name. Luke, Blake, Carrie, Tim, Kenny, Dierks, Jason. They ALL used to. Brad still does. Blake threw bits and pieces in on his latest album. Didn't hear one from Dierks on Riser. None from Kenny, Jason, Carrie, or Tim. Luke used one in "Move" but that's all. Oh, how I long for the days of "country girl shake it for me" by Luke Brian, which prominently features the banjo and the fiddle. Now there's a real country song! A really horrible country song.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 20:09:03 GMT -5
I think sometimes people here want the perfect country song. I love that song. It's got a great groove and great instrumentals. And yes, it's got country instrumentation. That's a great jam for me. Not every song is going to be deep and meaningful and life-changing but if it's not then hell, can we at least attempt to make it sound country?
"Chatahoochee" ain't about jack squat but it sure sounds country, as does "Country Girl (Shake it For Me)". What's so bad about it? It's "degrading"? Come on. I've not met ONE girl who dislikes that song. People like to dance sometimes. And I'd sure as hell like to dance to "Country Girl" over that Beegees fake "Make Me Wanna".
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Post by carriekins on Nov 16, 2015 20:15:34 GMT -5
Well, you haven't met me, but I am female and I loathe that song. If a guy - my husband included - told me to shake it for the squirrels and the birds I'd tell him to piss up a flag pole. I don't care how country the song sounds, it grosses me out. Sorry, I'm way more than a hot piece that you can demand of me to shake anything.
I'm all for fluff songs, when they're done well, and this particular one isn't to me.
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Post by sabre14 on Nov 16, 2015 20:19:13 GMT -5
I'm a guy and I hate the song. However, a couple of my best friends (who are female) love the song.
I just can't stand the lyrics and the chorus is extremely grating.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 20:42:37 GMT -5
Count me in as someone who hates that song. Especially since it was sort of Luke's "crossover to the dark side" song (yes, I'm implying a sell out here, sorry)
I've said it before, but it's one of my favorite sayings so I'll say it again, just because something is country doesn't automatically make it good, and just because something isn't strict country doesn't mean it's bad.
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Post by bksouthga on Nov 16, 2015 23:14:01 GMT -5
Count me in as someone who hates that song. Especially since it was sort of Luke's "crossover to the dark side" song (yes, I'm implying a sell out here, sorry) I've said it before, but it's one of my favorite sayings so I'll say it again, just because something is country doesn't automatically make it good, and just because something isn't strict country doesn't mean it's bad. And I was merely making the point again that inclusion of country instrumentation doth not necessarily make a song country. I don't hate CGSIFM, but it is not country to me. Its all about the groove and phrasing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 11:05:43 GMT -5
I don't recall ever saying these instruments made a song country. It is simply an examination of their use. I think when coupled with looking at how frequently they had been used in the past (as evidenced by the throwback list I posted) versus the sharp decline in their featured or general use now, we can conclude that there may be some correlation between the decline in quality we have seen.
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Post by bksouthga on Nov 17, 2015 22:32:49 GMT -5
I don't recall ever saying these instruments made a song country. It is simply an examination of their use. I think when coupled with looking at how frequently they had been used in the past (as evidenced by the throwback list I posted) versus the sharp decline in their featured or general use now, we can conclude that there may be some correlation between the decline in quality we have seen. And I think it is a quite interesting examination. My point still is that I think it is a weak correlation at best. Because you have a situation today where even the songs that are using the traditional instruments are not really traditional country songs.
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Post by bksouthga on Nov 18, 2015 1:24:27 GMT -5
I think the “throwback chart” is interesting. I decided, let’s throw back a little farther – 20 years, to week of Nov. 18, 1995. I think most people on this forum would probably agree that was a peak time (maybe the tail end of it) where traditional country was popular. Also, that was the year I graduated high school, so it was a good year. Here’s the chart:
1. Check Yes or No – G. Strait 2. I Let Her Lie – D. Singletary 3. Who Needs You Baby – C. Walker 4. Safe in the Arms of Love – M. McBride 5. Dust on the Bottle – D.L. Murphy 6. Tall, Tall Trees – A. Jackson 7. Whiskey Under the Bridge – Brooks & Dunn 8. No Man’s Land – J.M. Montgomery 9. Back In Your Arms Again – L. Morgan 10. Sometimes She Forgets – T. Tritt 11. Life Goes On – Little Texas 12. I Wanna Go Too Far – T. Yearwood 13. In Pictures – Alabama 14. That’s As Close As I’ll Get to Loving You – A. Tippin 15. She’s Every Woman – G. Brooks 16. If I Was a Drinkin’ Man – N. McCoy 17. The Woman In Me – S. Twain 18. Tequila Talkin’ – Lonestar 19. Life Gets Away – C. Black 20. I Will Always Love You – Parton/Gill 21. All I Need to Know – K. Chesney 22. Deep Down – P. Tillis 23. I’m Not Strong Enough to Say No – Blackhawk 24. Go Rest High on That Mountain – V. Gill 25. Love Lessons – T. Byrd 26. Trouble – M. Chesnutt 27. I Like It, I Love It – T. McGraw 28. The Car – Jeff Carson 29. Rebecca Lynn – B. White (written by Skip Ewing) 30. Can’t Be Really Gone – T. McGraw
Wow, that’s a pretty good countdown! It has the two biggest hits of the year – “I Like It, I Love It” (5 weeks) on the way down, and “Check Yes or No” (4 weeks) at the top. It also has some other big multi-week #1’s (“Dust on the Bottle”, “Tall, Tall Trees”, and “That’s As Close As I’ll Get..”). I’m not as good with bold, italics, and underline as Nick, so I’ll just give the stats:
Banjo: 0/30 (have I mentioned that the banjo is a recent phenomenon?) Fiddle: 16/30 Steel/Dobro: 25/30 (!)
There are only 3 songs with none of the above: Safe In the Arms of Love – but it does have strong mandolin to achieve a desired effect, not to mention fretless bass! In Pictures – strictly a piano/orchestral arrangement, and one of the saddest songs ever! I’m Not Strong Enough to Say No – Blackhawk didn’t really use these instruments a lot in any of their music.
I think it’s safe to say this was the heyday of the steel guitar – wow!
There are only two songs that feature fiddle but not steel: Life Goes On – and it wouldn’t have had it if Little Texas hadn’t hired Jeff Huskins off of Clint Black, and Go Rest High – which had a VERY sparse arrangement featuring the fiddle solo.
So to what do we attribute the rise of the banjo? In my mind, there are two reasons – 1) the replacement of Western Swing with Bluegrass and Celtic as the primary “retro” influence in country – about the only people today cutting swing are Easton Corbin and Josh Turner, and 2) Keith Urban – ‘nuff said.
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 18, 2015 2:08:11 GMT -5
There are only 3 songs with none of the above: Safe In the Arms of Love – but it does have strong mandolin to achieve a desired effect, not to mention fretless bass! The album booklet for Wild Angels lists the musicians that performed in every individual song, and it claims that Larry Franklin plays fiddle on "Safe in the Arms of Love." So for what it's worth I think there might be one buried down in the mix somewhere. Although I agree with you that I do not hear it when I am just listening... That song has the coolest production though; I just LOVE the mandolin effects throughout the song, and the fading background vocals, and when the piano comes in discretely in the second verse...just all of it! :)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 12:44:45 GMT -5
I think the “throwback chart” is interesting. I decided, let’s throw back a little farther – 20 years, to week of Nov. 18, 1995. I think most people on this forum would probably agree that was a peak time (maybe the tail end of it) where traditional country was popular. Also, that was the year I graduated high school, so it was a good year. Here’s the chart: ... Banjo: 0/30 (have I mentioned that the banjo is a recent phenomenon?) Fiddle: 16/30 Steel/Dobro: 25/30 (!) ... So to what do we attribute the rise of the banjo? In my mind, there are two reasons – 1) the replacement of Western Swing with Bluegrass and Celtic as the primary “retro” influence in country – about the only people today cutting swing are Easton Corbin and Josh Turner, and 2) Keith Urban – ‘nuff said. Great look back! I do think it's strange how the banjo is now fairly common, even in pop-leaning songs. I feel the banjo is the "hickiest" of the three instruments. I prefer fiddle and steel, and it's just a shame how little the fiddle is used these days in mainstream. I think Alan Jackson really brought the fiddle to the forefront and made it "cool" to use it. I think steel is such a staple that it probably won't ever go away. I think while country is my favorite type of music, western swing and bluegrass are my favorite sounding musics. I do admittedly wish that country pulled more from those two styles than from the pop style, but again, I'm beating a dead horse. Also, part of the reason why I find these three instruments (banjo, fiddle, steel) to be so instrumental (ha) in the essence of country music versus something like a mandolin--which arguably has a larger place in the genre than the banjo--is because of when I first learned about the genre. I didn't graduate high school until 2009 and didn't discover country music on a regular basis until 2012. After learning a lot about the sounds and tendencies, I decided that 2000-2010 was probably my favorite "sounding" era of country music. That's probably where I get my sonic preferences from. Stuff like Rodney Atkins, early McGraw/Paisley/Chesney, and "Suds in the Bucket".
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 18, 2015 13:12:53 GMT -5
Also, part of the reason why I find these three instruments (banjo, fiddle, steel) to be so instrumental (ha) in the essence of country music versus something like a mandolin--which arguably has a larger place in the genre than the banjo--is because of when I first learned about the genre. I didn't graduate high school until 2009 and didn't discover country music on a regular basis until 2012. After learning a lot about the sounds and tendencies, I decided that 2000-2010 was probably my favorite "sounding" era of country music. That's probably where I get my sonic preferences from. Stuff like Rodney Atkins, early McGraw/Paisley/Chesney, and "Suds in the Bucket". This is good to know! I had been wondering how exactly you decided to use these three instruments :) After you started doing this thread, I started paying a lot more attention to the instrumentation of songs. I think if I were to pick the instruments that represent my favorite country music sound the best, I would pick fiddle, steel, mandolin/dobro, and piano. :) I had honestly never really paid attention to the use of piano in country music, but I have lately discovered that it plays a subtle yet crucial roll in almost all of my favorite songs from the '90s and 2000s... And the fiddle and steel are obvious. And I had never really noticed how often the mandolin was used, nor did I even know what a dobro was! Haha so you have inspired me to educate myself ;)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 13:29:00 GMT -5
This is good to know! I had been wondering how exactly you decided to use these three instruments :) After you started doing this thread, I started paying a lot more attention to the instrumentation of songs. I think if I were to pick the instruments that represent my favorite country music sound the best, I would pick fiddle, steel, mandolin/dobro, and piano. :) I had honestly never really paid attention to the use of piano in country music, but I have lately discovered that it plays a subtle yet crucial roll in almost all of my favorite songs from the '90s and 2000s... And the fiddle and steel are obvious. And I had never really noticed how often the mandolin was used, nor did I even know what a dobro was! Haha so you have inspired me to educate myself ;) That's great! I come from a musical background...I played trombone through elementary school and then played guitar in a alt-rock band in middle/high school. I guess that's why I tend to focus so much on the instruments. People on Pulse tend to look more at the lyrical content than I do, whereas I am more willing to accept a vanilla song if it's outstanding musically/instrumentally. It's all preferences, I suppose. I definitely drive myself a bit crazy subconsciously sometimes listening to music. For example, I wasn't too crazy about "(This Ain't No) Drunk Dial" at first because I thought it sounded far too similar to "Smoke". But after I listened a few more times, I really got into the "whoas" and realized there was fiddle in the song. Now it has grown on me. I think everything in music should be looked at together. That's what is great about a song, it takes so many pieces and puts them together in a way that (hopefully) sounds great.
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Post by bboat11 on Nov 18, 2015 13:40:33 GMT -5
This is good to know! I had been wondering how exactly you decided to use these three instruments :) After you started doing this thread, I started paying a lot more attention to the instrumentation of songs. I think if I were to pick the instruments that represent my favorite country music sound the best, I would pick fiddle, steel, mandolin/dobro, and piano. :) I had honestly never really paid attention to the use of piano in country music, but I have lately discovered that it plays a subtle yet crucial roll in almost all of my favorite songs from the '90s and 2000s... And the fiddle and steel are obvious. And I had never really noticed how often the mandolin was used, nor did I even know what a dobro was! Haha so you have inspired me to educate myself ;) That's great! I come from a musical background...I played trombone through elementary school and then played guitar in a alt-rock band in middle/high school. I guess that's why I tend to focus so much on the instruments. People on Pulse tend to look more at the lyrical content than I do, whereas I am more willing to accept a vanilla song if it's outstanding musically/instrumentally. It's all preferences, I suppose. I definitely drive myself a bit crazy subconsciously sometimes listening to music. For example, I wasn't too crazy about "(This Ain't No) Drunk Dial" at first because I thought it sounded far too similar to "Smoke". But after I listened a few more times, I really got into the "whoas" and realized there was fiddle in the song. Now it has grown on me. I think everything in music should be looked at together. That's what is great about a song, it takes so many pieces and puts them together in a way that (hopefully) sounds great. I agree with everything! That is all very well said. I have played baritone sax in both jazz and classical settings throughout elementary, middle, and high school, and all through college! So I have always listened to music much more in-depth than a lot of people I know. I love analyzing the musical backings to songs! But previously I would notice more blatant parts of the instrumentation, like the way a cool drum fill enhances the song, or fun harmonies, and now I am doing more listening specifically for counter-melodies and all the little pieces that weave in and out throughout a song that make it that much better. I think it is very true that looking at all the little pieces of music makes it that much more enjoyable :)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 17:14:07 GMT -5
I thought as a change of pace (for anyone who still cares) I'd do a bit of a different examination for this post. Today I'm calling out Luke Bryan for his unexplained neglect of the fiddle and steel he used to use (to be fair, he is FAR from the only one who has adopted this strategy lately). Disclaimer: I'm a big fan of Luke's so this isn't bashing, just an examination.
ITALICS = banjo, BOLD = fiddle/violin, UNDERLINE = slide
I'LL STAY ME, 2007 1. All My Friends Say 2. Baby's on the Way 3. The Car in Front of Me 4. Pray About Everything 5. We Rode in Trucks 6. I'll Stay Me 7. First Love Song 8. Country Man 9. Over the River 10. You Make Me Want To 11. Tackle Box
Banjo = 1/11 Fiddle/Violin = 9/11 Slide = 11/11
KILL THE LIGHTS, 2015 1. Kick the Dust Up 2. Kill the Lights 3. Strip it Down 4. Home Alone Tonight 5. Razor Blade 6. Fast 7. Move 8. Just Over 9. Love it Gone 10. Way Way Back 11. To the Moon and Back 12. Huntin', Fishin' and Lovin' Every Day 13. Scarecrows
Banjo = 3/13 Fiddle/Violin = 2/13 Slide = 2/13
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Post by bksouthga on Dec 17, 2015 18:05:42 GMT -5
I think the Luke examination is very interesting. Because if it were anyone else, you could question how much of it is due to them and how much is due to their following current trends. With Luke, however, he is the trendsetter as far as I can tell.
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Post by carriekins on Dec 17, 2015 18:24:38 GMT -5
I may never forgive him for firing his fiddle player pre-Tailgates era. Well. That's one thing on a list that's pretty long. Hmph.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 18:43:17 GMT -5
Definitely wouldn't call Luke a trend "setter". Chaser, yes. But setter? No.
Anyway, I like the assessment here. Early Luke was really great and if you ask me, his best song is still "Small Town Favorite"
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Post by bksouthga on Dec 17, 2015 18:46:17 GMT -5
Definitely wouldn't call Luke a trend "setter". Chaser, yes. But setter? No. Anyway, I like the assessment here. Early Luke was really great and if you ask me, his best song is still "Small Town Favorite" Are you serious? So who is he chasing?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 18:52:26 GMT -5
Definitely wouldn't call Luke a trend "setter". Chaser, yes. But setter? No. Anyway, I like the assessment here. Early Luke was really great and if you ask me, his best song is still "Small Town Favorite" Are you serious? So who is he chasing? We get Florida Georgia Line and their monster hit "Cruise" in 2012, wouldn't you know it? Bro country is born! What does Luke come out with the next year? "That's My Kinda Night".... Then it would be quite a coincidence to think the funky "Kill The Lights", "Strip It Down"...etc didn't stem from the ever increasing Pop and R&B sounds in the genre. I don't want to make it seem like I'm bashing Luke, but to think he ever started a trend is silly, at least to me.
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