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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 10:46:48 GMT -5
Day 1 Continues
Deadline has been set for 09.10.2015 10:59PM EDT
It takes 7/12 votes to lynch!
Az: Albie bigfan101: Codex Drag: Mikey Green Baron: Max Liucci: Drag, Libra, Green Baron, bigfan101 Mikey: Surf Surf: Liucci, Libra
Day One: Vote Count 3 Not voting: Az, Zebra
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 10:51:17 GMT -5
#mod: Just FYI that you guys have a little under a day and a half to reach a majority vote or else have to rely on rule #10 to determine who is lynched...no pressure
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 10:53:48 GMT -5
Unvote: Liucci
Hr's at L-3 and I want to scan the thread more before revoting.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 9, 2015 11:42:00 GMT -5
...what was funny about it? (Sorry for no bold, on mobile.) To do bold on mobile, do [ b ] text [ / b ] (without the spaces). :)
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Post by Albie on Sept 9, 2015 14:06:45 GMT -5
Ok so this is my first time really involving myself in the Mafia world so pardon my ignorance. I also haven't been able to pop in here and really get into things yet because work is busy. I've been kind of observing and randomly voting but really staying out of conversation mostly due to lack of experience - you vets are rather intimidating with all these crazy acronyms that I have to keep looking up lol. But also just generally observing. I'm sure its not just me but it seems hard to really extrapolate anything from the randomness that has been Day 1. That's probably normal but I'm also wondering if I'm just plain missing things that may be in plain sight to those that have played before. Hopefully someone is able to enlighten us a bit more.
My only other experience with this game was trying to follow along during Az's game but I recall only reading like 8 or 9 pages in because I was so confused lol. What stands out to me from that game was that Libra was getting a ton of crap for reading too much into things or something like that. I think he ended up being town? So, in this game, I noticed that Libra has been the one to really try and get things moving further along and asking questions. Input was given when he asked about activity levels. He has also been the only one to flavor claim, iirc. All this is to say, he's not starting off as aggressively as he did the last game, but in comparison to how everyone else is playing so far, he has been the one trying to move things along. It could be that he's playing the same as last time and then everyone will assume he's town again, when maybe he's not...and it also could be that I'm reading way too much into this. I don't know. But I'll just say I'm keeping my eye on him. Thoughts anyone?
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Unvote: Az for the moment and keeping my eye on Libra
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 14:12:02 GMT -5
Activity is important. An inactive townie is a much better lynch than one who frequently posts. That said, I don't think it's the best route, as scum will want to post more so they can avoid the first lynch. But you risk lynching an active townie who can contribute more in the future than the inactive townie you would hypothetically lynch. So I'm not completely sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 14:16:55 GMT -5
And Libra isn't voting me, so I only have 2 lynch votes at the moment.
Unvote: Surf
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 9, 2015 15:18:15 GMT -5
Personally I'm not a fan of judging by activity level on Day 1, because, surprise, surprise, there's nothing to judge on. Transitioning from RVS to actual gameplay is one of the hardest parts of the game because you don't know what tangents to start on.
I know we're getting out of RVS, but Vote: Popstop because F*CK YOU JARVIS LANDRY WAS MIIIIIΓIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!
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Post by Libra on Sept 9, 2015 16:24:34 GMT -5
So, to answer my own question: Should a player's activity level - be it high or low - be a strong influence on whether or not we would vote to lynch that player in this first day? Why or why not? I think...it's an integral factor to consider, and it should not be dismissed out of hand. So on that basis, I say: Yes, it should be a strong influence in whether we vote to lynch a player on this first day. BUT: "Strong" is a relative term; it takes whatever form that each of us decides to give it. ("Important" might have been a better word in my question, but what's asked is asked.) Being a "strong influence" can mean being a crucial factor that forms but one part of a larger case, or it can mean being pretty much the overriding factor - the entire case, basically. I favor the former here; activity level doesn't strike me as something that should, usually, be a sole reason to lynch. A player's own misstep (i.e. outing themselves as scum), or player's/players' intel on who's performed what actions in this game/what their roles may be, those are sufficient reasons to lynch someone whereupon that reason is enough all by itself. Also. Ok so this is my first time really involving myself in the Mafia world so pardon my ignorance. I also haven't been able to pop in here and really get into things yet because work is busy. I've been kind of observing and randomly voting but really staying out of conversation mostly due to lack of experience - you vets are rather intimidating with all these crazy acronyms that I have to keep looking up lol. But also just generally observing. I'm sure its not just me but it seems hard to really extrapolate anything from the randomness that has been Day 1. That's probably normal but I'm also wondering if I'm just plain missing things that may be in plain sight to those that have played before. Hopefully someone is able to enlighten us a bit more. My only other experience with this game was trying to follow along during Az's game but I recall only reading like 8 or 9 pages in because I was so confused lol. What stands out to me from that game was that Libra was getting a ton of crap for reading too much into things or something like that. I think he ended up being town? So, in this game, I noticed that Libra has been the one to really try and get things moving further along and asking questions. Input was given when he asked about activity levels. He has also been the only one to flavor claim, iirc. All this is to say, he's not starting off as aggressively as he did the last game, but in comparison to how everyone else is playing so far, he has been the one trying to move things along. It could be that he's playing the same as last time and then everyone will assume he's town again, when maybe he's not...and it also could be that I'm reading way too much into this. I don't know. But I'll just say I'm keeping my eye on him. Thoughts anyone? So Unvote: Az for the moment and keeping my eye on Libra I will say that Kunt is also good for kick-starting the game forward, though of course he was the one who was scum in that game. I guess that can demonstrate your point about an early game-mover being actually scummy, but this hits instant pitfall when compared to me, the Townie, doing that same thing in the game. (Though I really didn't have a good handle on it, as evidenced by me being lynched. ) To reflect on this post as a whole, though - I both like and dislike it. I'm not thrilled about the kind of attention being cast my way, but at the same time - Albie's taking an additional tack to move the game forward, trying to offer additional points. Granted those are focused on me, but this touches on his other observations of me being the one to move things along, and this contrasting with everyone else's play so far. It's not good form for us to let a single player move things forward! Having said this, it's curious that he did post this but also made no attempt to answer my question. He's not the only one to not answer, but his lack of answer stands out more in light of what he did post. Annnnnd then there's...this: Activity is important. An inactive townie is a much better lynch than one who frequently posts. That said, I don't think it's the best route, as scum will want to post more so they can avoid the first lynch. But you risk lynching an active townie who can contribute more in the future than the inactive townie you would hypothetically lynch. So I'm not completely sure. I'm curious as to what's inspired you to offer up a "what scum will want to do", so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 17:31:58 GMT -5
Re: Libra - From the things I remember from before this Mafia game (ngl, my memory is kinda hazy), town almost always gets lynched first due to an inactive player getting voted off, and scum often gets dismissed on D1 because posting frequently is a strategy they can use to their advantage. Now I'm not saying scum couldn't be lurking behind a few posts, but I'm saying it's unlikely based off what's happened in the past. As for that approach, I'm trying to get in the mind of what scum would do in this situation, but with that said, I've never once been scum as either Invince or Liucci, so I'm not the best person for thinking about what scum would do, but I'm trying my best to get in the head of a scum member.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 9, 2015 17:43:25 GMT -5
O/T but LOL yay you are Invince! I'd heard that but I never asked. Welcome back~
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Post by Libra on Sept 9, 2015 18:38:11 GMT -5
O! That certainly changes my perspective of you. Whereas up to this moment I'd have thought you were a new player who still seemed curiously knowledgeable about this game (maybe having played elsewhere?), clearly now it's evident that you're no newbie, LOL. (P.S. If you couldn't tell, I don't follow Pulse Survivor games at all.) Having. Said. This. Tho: As for that approach, I'm trying to get in the mind of what scum would do in this situation I knew I was detecting wine! I'm...not sure about taking this approach. Okay...by my count, half the players in this game don't have their votes on anyone. Eeeeek. (This is assuming that Green Baron's was moved to "not voting" because the popstop vote is invalid. @mod: confirm?)
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 9, 2015 18:40:23 GMT -5
Oh yeah, trying to 'get in the mindspace' of scum doesn't work for the record. Sure there's things you'd expect scum to actually do but no player would play scum the same way so it's not really worth getting into. It relies too heavily on meta-gaming (as in, what would X player do in Y role) which isn't such a good idea.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 9, 2015 18:40:46 GMT -5
*no two players rather.
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Post by Albie on Sept 9, 2015 19:56:57 GMT -5
Well all the discussion in here is just riveting.
As I am heading out for the evening, I will no longer be online really before deadline.
Libra I didn't answer your question just like others didn't, as you mention, mostly due to inexperience. I am not sure how to weigh in except to say that it seems to me those that chat in here even minimally are contributing positively as it gives us even a little something to go on as far as what's in everyone's minds. With that said, at this point we really only have our hunches to go on and my hunch is telling me to vote Libra. This may be completely off but its all I can gather at this point based on my previously stated suspicions. I at least feel like I'm trying to work with what I've got at the moment. The middle of the road stance on my prior evaluation of him I find to be somewhat misleading - as in, intended to make me feel safe but am I falling right into your trap? My hunch is telling me so.
Vote: Libra
Good luck everyone!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 9, 2015 20:13:38 GMT -5
As I said last game, and as we all pretty much agreed on, inactivity just doesn't work as a method of using against players who could be scum or town. It just doesn't. It *could* be done on purpose by scum to hide their guilt or town to avoid being targeted but it isn't reliable to use as way of determining who might be scum - at least so early in the game. The mere suggestion of it, to me, is more guilty than anyone's individual inactivity - especially after the last game where it was such a heavy component of discussion for longer than it really needed to be. The fact it was proposed (again) by Libra (as with the last game) actually makes me suspicious of him. I forget exactly how the last game played out but I don't remember lack of activity being a factor in how anyone ended up leaning so I'm not sure why it's once again the go-to for this game either. FOS: Libra for now.
On that note, I hounded Libra last game for being scum because of his seemingly forceful hand at trying to push the game out of RVS, and even though I was scum that game, that was a move I firmly believe I would have made regardless. So I'm just going to lay it out there now that even though he's the one at the forefront of moving discussion along in this game as well, I know better than to use that as a factor in whether I believe he's scum or not. Long story slightly longer, if I think he might be scum, it's not being he's pushing discussion.
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Post by Libra on Sept 9, 2015 20:15:38 GMT -5
Well all the discussion in here is just riveting. As I am heading out for the evening, I will no longer be online really before deadline. Libra I didn't answer your question just like others didn't, as you mention, mostly due to inexperience. I am not sure how to weigh in except to say that it seems to me those that chat in here even minimally are contributing positively as it gives us even a little something to go on as far as what's in everyone's minds. With that said, at this point we really only have our hunches to go on and my hunch is telling me to vote Libra. This may be completely off but its all I can gather at this point based on my previously stated suspicions. I at least feel like I'm trying to work with what I've got at the moment. The middle of the road stance on my prior evaluation of him I find to be somewhat misleading - as in, intended to make me feel safe but am I falling right into your trap? My hunch is telling me so. Vote: Libra Good luck everyone! The deadline is tomorrow, sir. :)
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 9, 2015 20:18:07 GMT -5
I think Libra just acts like that regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 20:39:40 GMT -5
As a heads up, I won't be able to swing by for another 16 hours or so, and I'll be tired when I do pop in tomorrow.
For now, Vote: Codex another case of I'd like to see more from him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 20:45:12 GMT -5
Actually 18 hours (around 4 EST tomorrow).
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Post by surfy on Sept 9, 2015 20:49:13 GMT -5
idk what to do, I'll probably be in school around the deadline or on the bus
soooooo... hmmmm...
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Post by Mikey on Sept 9, 2015 21:33:28 GMT -5
idk what to do, I'll probably be in school around the deadline or on the bus soooooo... hmmmm... wait you're in school on night?
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Post by surfy on Sept 9, 2015 21:34:59 GMT -5
oh. i thought that meant 4 PM. oops...
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Post by surfy on Sept 9, 2015 21:36:32 GMT -5
oh... okay, i completely misread Liucci's post. I thought he meant the deadline was at 4... okay, got it now
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 9, 2015 21:46:07 GMT -5
If I could post this in RVS, I would, but I can't shake the idea that Az is constantly a bad guy like Gargamel. Every time I see him post in a game thread, I think of this:
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 9, 2015 21:50:42 GMT -5
Geez, the cat's name was Azrael WITH AN A.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 21:54:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know what to make of everything. I'm going to throw a vote just for the sake of having one because not voting is one of the worst things a player can do for town.
I will say that Libra's gameplay thus far has been similar to his last game when I thought he was mafia, but it turns out he was town.
Vote: Zebra
Disclaimer: I'm only voting for him to have a vote out there mostly based on activity which I know is terrible, but I've got nothing to go on.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 9, 2015 22:36:36 GMT -5
Geez, the cat's name was Azrael WITH AN A. omg
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 23:24:22 GMT -5
It's been a long day, and it's finally old lady Cynthia's bedtime. She is restless, unable to go to sleep. That's nothing new, yet this feels different for some reason. It's still raining, but the warning not to go outside doesn't feel so secure now that the day is winding down. Cynthia turns the lights down and gets in bed anyway, then stares at the shadows circling around each other on the ceiling. The clock ticks away on the other side of the room, and Cynthia starts to wonder if it's counting down to something. But that's silly, she tells herself. Count down to what?
Day 1 Continues
Deadline has been set for 09.10.2015 10:59PM EDT
It takes 7/12 votes to lynch!
bigfan101: Codex Codex: Liucci Drag: Mikey Green Baron: Max Libra: Albie Liucci: Green Baron, bigfan101 Mikey: Surf Surf: Libra Zebra: Drag
Day One: Vote Count 4 Not voting: Az, Zebra
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Post by Libra on Sept 9, 2015 23:30:10 GMT -5
So: Zebra, Az, Mikey, Liucci, Green Baron, and Max all gave answers to my question. Zebra and Az were also on board with moving forward (out of RVS). Surf seems to be stalling. Bigfan hasn't really posted much of consequence post-RVS, besides unvoting Codex. Drag unvoted Liucci, then by his word scanned over the thread before finally voting for Zebra. Albie...he seemed to be claiming new player confusion, at first. And yet...he finds me suspicious based on comparing my gameplay so far, to my D1 gameplay in the last game? Like... what? He then later says that those that chat in here (even minimally) are contributing positively...but, his hunch, is what tells him to vote for me. (Max, as it happens, has jumped on the "last game" suspicion.) He then says he won't be back before the deadline - obviously thinking it was tonight. He did so, unprompted. Why so much focus on Albie? Because the way he seems to be playing points to being coached by scummates, IMO. His suspicion theory is really reaching, his talk about contributing in here is inconsistent, he offers up an "I won't be here" unprompted, the first to do that... And...Codex, hasn't posted since Tuesday (EST). READS: Me - hi Zebra, Az - Leaning the most Town. Mikey, Green Baron, Drag - Slightly less Town lean. Liucci-vince - Null. Admittedly the change in personality and playing style is throwing me. But nothing really suggests Scum. "What would scum do?" is total WIFOM though. Bigfan101 - Not very active Newbie (null) Surf - Not very helpful? (No offense) Codex - Dead Weight. Max - FOS; totally side-eyeing your expressed suspicion. Voting for you now seems all too easy, though. Albie - NuScum being coached. Based on this, my choice is pretty clear. Vote: AlbieRight now, Codex wouldn't really be a big loss, either.
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