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Post by badrobot on Oct 24, 2015 13:04:12 GMT -5
It only counts as an "instant grat " if people purchased the full album and got the single because of that. I would guess that most people are not pre ordering the whole album. Also, it feels fuzzy to me -- the instant grat rule seemed aimed at songs that only became available AFTER a pre order, I wonder if it even applies in this case. Not sure if you saw this on the previous page, but it specifically says tracks prior to the album release... because that's the only time a pre-order instant grat exists! Am I misunderstanding your fuzziness? Effective Friday, October 10th, 2014, iTunes sales reported to Nielsen SoundScan will no longer include instant gratification tracks delivered prior to the release of an album when the consumer purchases the entire album. The purchase of the album, as an individual transaction, will be counted when the complete project has been delivered upon album release. Individual tracks purchases will still be counted at the time of purchase and returned at the time the consumer decides to “Complete My Album”.www.thatericalper.com/2014/09/18/itunes-reporting-methodology-change-impacting-nielsen-soundscan-u-s-canada/You're right, it seems pretty straightforward. What I was getting at is that if you pre order an album with the first single available, that seems different (because you can hear the song and clearly want it and you get it at the time of purchase) than when later songs become available (when you instantly get the song without h spring it or taking further action). But it sounds like technically they are the same deal and wouldn't count. |
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Post by The Upper Hand on Oct 24, 2015 13:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Oct 24, 2015 13:24:47 GMT -5
That'd count as 300k first day, then, right? 400k sales minus 100k pre-orders? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this rule
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Post by mcsteamy on Oct 24, 2015 14:03:35 GMT -5
I think those 400K are without the pre orders.
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Post by badrobot on Oct 24, 2015 14:34:23 GMT -5
Seems like the longstanding Flo Rida 1-week digital sales record may finally get broken!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 24, 2015 15:26:10 GMT -5
Seems like the longstanding Flo Rida 1-week digital sales record may finally get broken! We were told it won't and that's a fact! |
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 24, 2015 15:47:45 GMT -5
Seems like the longstanding Flo Rida 1-week digital sales record may finally get broken! We were told it won't and that's a fact! How can anyone know when there are still 6 days of the sales week left? |
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Post by House Lannister on Oct 24, 2015 17:34:46 GMT -5
UKMix: Kworb early estimates : 1. Hello 1,031,000 2. Sorry 242,000 3. Hotline Bling 168,000 4. The Hills 89,000 5. Home 78,000 6. What Do You Mean? 74,000 7. Ex's & Oh's 74,000 8. Wildest Dreams 71,000 9. Stitches 70,000 10. Perfect 70,000 11. Downtown 70,000 Will obviously decrease by the end of the week especially since the prediction includes instant grats which Billboard doesn't count and... SIO was predicted to sell 700k+ in the early predictions and ended up selling 544k Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's 2 One Direction songs in the top 11 (Home, Perfect)? And Adele is slaying.  (Using SIO's numbers, still looking like 797k this wk, although that's early) |
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Post by Kris on Oct 24, 2015 18:16:46 GMT -5
39M views in a day for Hello, #1 debut?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 18:37:07 GMT -5
Seems like the longstanding Flo Rida 1-week digital sales record may finally get broken! We were told it won't and that's a fact! I assume you're being sarcastic, mike. |
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Post by felipe on Oct 24, 2015 21:12:48 GMT -5
Can someone try to explain me why Justin Bieber released a new single on the same day as Adele?
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 24, 2015 21:39:57 GMT -5
39M views in a day for Hello, #1 debut? How many of those are U.S. views? Also, what is the streaming week? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 21:45:01 GMT -5
Can someone try to explain me why Justin Bieber released a new single on the same day as Adele? He told everyone a week ahead "Sorry" would be released yesterday. Adele only told about the release of "Hello" a day ahead of the release date. We knew that day was coming very soon, I don't think any of us or he would've guessed it'd come out yesterday. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 22:30:46 GMT -5
Can someone try to explain me why Justin Bieber released a new single on the same day as Adele? He told everyone a week ahead "Sorry" would be released yesterday. Adele only told about the release of "Hello" a day ahead of the release date. We knew that day was coming very soon, I don't think any of us or he would've guessed it'd come out yesterday. This. Until Wednesday the word was that she was coming on the 30th. But also, I am sure bieber was not expecting a number 1 anyway. Sorry wasn't going to have the airplay to open at the top, just a possible top 10 or 20 debut. |
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Post by Daniel Collins on Oct 25, 2015 2:12:23 GMT -5
Mediabase 10/24/15
1. THE WEEKND - The Hills: 180.131 (- 0.972)
2. TAYLOR SWIFT - Wildest Dreams: 175.132 (+ 0.879)
3. JUSTIN BIEBER - What Do You Mean?: 154.305 (- 0.463)
4. DRAKE - Hotline Bling: 139.317 (+ 1.760)
5. R. CITY - Locked Away f/Adam Levine: 131.069 (- 3.411)
6. SHAWN MENDES - Stitches: 123.680 (+ 0.562)
7. X AMBASSADORS - Renegades: 107.649 (+ 0.303) ▲
8. THE WEEKND - Can't Feel My Face: 106.053 (- 2.429) ▼
9. ED SHEERAN - Photograph: 96.836 (- 3.082
10. ELLE KING - Ex's and Oh's: 95.652 (- 1.027)
11. SELENA GOMEZ - Good For You f/A$AP Rocky: 89.882 (- 1.666)
12. FETTY WAP - 679 f/Remy Boyz...: 82.014 (+ 0.413) ▲
13. MAJOR LAZER - Lean On f/MØ & DJ Snake: 81.514 (- 1.397) ▼
14. WALK THE MOON - Shut Up And Dance: 76.779 (- 1.465)
15. ALESSIA CARA - Here: 66.938 (+ 1.521)
16. MEGHAN TRAINOR - Like I'm Gonna Lose You: 64.934 (+ 0.891) ▲
17. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - Downtown: 64.848 (- 0.236) ▼
18. LUKE BRYAN - Strip It Down: 64.830 (+ 0.180)
19. JASON DERULO - Want To Want Me: 64.242 (- 0.646) ▼
20. ONE DIRECTION - Drag Me Down: 63.333 (+ 0.502)
FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE - Anything Goes: 60.972 (- 0.035)
ELLIE GOULDING - On My Mind: 60.802 (+ 0.510)
COLE SWINDELL - Let Me See Ya Girl: 58.757 (+ 0.593)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Smoke Break: 57.258 (+ 0.756)
CALVIN HARRIS + DISCIPLES - How Deep Is Your Love: 52.569 (+ 0.090)
BLAKE SHELTON - Gonna: 48.650 (+ 0.561)
SELENA GOMEZ - Same Old Love: 41.161 (+ 0.878)
DEMI LOVATO - Confident: 28.893 (+ 0.481)
RUDIMENTAL - Lay It All On Me f/Ed Sheeran: 28.562 (+ 0.655)
ADELE - Hello: 24.499 (+ 24.424)
THOMAS RHETT - Die A Happy Man: 22.763 (+ 0.707)
RACHEL PLATTEN - Stand By You: 15.838 (+ 0.027)
CHRIS BROWN - Zero: 10.884 (+ 0.644)
JUSTIN BIEBER - Sorry: 10.786 (+ 4.030)
ONE DIRECTION - Perfect: 8.033 (- 1.206)
FALL OUT BOY - Irresistible f/Demi Lovato: 3.429 (+ 0.111)
GWEN STEFANI - Used To Love You: 3.122 (+ 0.499)
TOVE LO - Moments: 2.537 (- 0.077)
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Post by Daniel Collins on Oct 25, 2015 2:28:23 GMT -5
+20M updates:
LADY GAGA - Born This Way: 45.662 (+ 20.579)
TAYLOR SWIFT - We Are Never Ever Getting...: 50.114 (+ 44.164)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Shake It Off: 34.422 (+ 24.118)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Shake It Off: 56.835 (+ 22.413)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Shake It Off: 81.422 (+ 24.587)
ADELE - Hello: 24.499 (+ 24.424)
Katy almost made 20M
KATY PERRY - Roar: 27.582 (+ 19.654)
and these two are first day updates:
MARIAH CAREY – #Beautiful f/Miguel: 32.528
LADY GAGA - Born This Way: 25.083
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Post by wjr15 on Oct 25, 2015 2:28:58 GMT -5
Adele stealing all those audience numbers from other songs haha
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 3:12:13 GMT -5
He told everyone a week ahead "Sorry" would be released yesterday. Adele only told about the release of "Hello" a day ahead of the release date. We knew that day was coming very soon, I don't think any of us or he would've guessed it'd come out yesterday. This. Until Wednesday the word was that she was coming on the 30th. But also, I am sure bieber was not expecting a number 1 anyway. Sorry wasn't going to have the airplay to open at the top, just a possible top 10 or 20 debut. And lets just be honest, it's not like you can just change all plans because someone else bigger drops a single. They have an album to promote and sell, so life goes on, and so does business. It's a busy time and it's only gonna get worse, ya know? They kinda have to let the singles/chart chips fall where they may around the typhoon that is Adele. As long as they keep promoting their stuff and maximizing pre-orders and album sales, they are gonna be ok. |
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Post by popbox on Oct 25, 2015 4:32:43 GMT -5
So looks like we will only have 10 Hot 100 #1's this year. Hotline Bling #9 this week and Hello #10 for the rest of the year. Drops down to 7 if you take out the one weekers.
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Post by Dylan :) on Oct 25, 2015 5:22:45 GMT -5
So looks like we will only have 10 Hot 100 #1's this year. Hotline Bling #9 this week and Hello #10 for the rest of the year. Drops down to 7 if you take out the one weekers. If Focus' video comes out Friday as well, I think it will have a chance, also. |
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Post by ry4n on Oct 25, 2015 5:38:19 GMT -5
Top 10 flashbacks for this week
1 year ago (11/8/2014)
1 1 All About That Bass - Meghan Trainor (8th and final week @ #1)
2 2 Shake It Off - Taylor Swift
3 5 Habits (Stay High) - Tove Lo
4 3 Bang Bang - Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj
5 7 Animals - Maroon 5
6 4 Black Widow - Iggy Azalea feat. Rita Ora
7 6 Don't Tell 'Em - Jeremih feat. YG
8 9 Hot Boy - Bobby Shmurda
9 33 Take Me To Church - Hozier
10 8 Stay With Me - Sam Smith
5 years ago (11/6/2010)
1 1 Like A G6 - Far East Movement feat. The Cataracs & Dev (2nd week of 3 @ #1)
2 2 Just The Way You Are - Bruno Mars
3 4 Only Girl (In The World) - Rihanna
4 3 Just A Dream - Nelly
5 5 DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love - Usher feat. Pitbull
6 10 Bottoms Up - Trey Songz feat. Nicki Minaj
7 7 Teenage Dream - Katy Perry
8 8 Dynamite - Taio Cruz
9 9 Club Can't Handle Me - Flo Rida feat. David Guetta
10 11 Raise Your Glass - P!nk
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11 NE Mean - Taylor Swift
10 years ago (11/5/2005)
1 1 Gold Digger - Kanye West feat. Jamie Foxx (8th week of 10 @ #1)
2 2 Run It! - Chris Brown
3 4 My Humps - Black Eyed Peas
4 3 Photograph - Nickelback
5 7 Soul Survivor - Young Jeezy feat. Akon
6 6 Like You - Bow Wow feat. Ciara
7 5 Shake It Off - Mariah Carey
8 9 Because Of You - Kelly Clarkson
9 8 Wake Me Up When September Ends - Green Day
10 13 We Be Burnin' - Sean Paul
15 years ago (11/4/2000)
1 1 Come On Over Baby (All I Want Is You) - Christina Aguilera (4th and final week @ #1)
2 2 Music - Madonna
3 3 With Arms Wide Open - Creed
4 4 Kryptonite - 3 Doors Down
5 5 Most Girls - P!nk
6 11 This I Promise You - *NSYNC
7 15 Independent Women Part I - Destiny's Child
8 6 Jumpin', Jumpin' - Destiny's Child
9 10 Gotta Tell You - Samantha Mumba
10 17 Case Of The Ex (Whatcha Gonna Do) - Mya
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Post by Daniel Collins on Oct 25, 2015 9:07:40 GMT -5
Mediabase 10/25/15
1. THE WEEKND - The Hills: 179.286 (- 0.845)
2. TAYLOR SWIFT - Wildest Dreams: 175.598 (+ 0.466)
3. JUSTIN BIEBER - What Do You Mean?: 154.013 (- 0.292)
4. DRAKE - Hotline Bling: 140.919 (+ 1.602)
5. R. CITY - Locked Away f/Adam Levine: 128.596 (- 2.473)
6. SHAWN MENDES - Stitches: 125.413 (+ 1.733)
7. X AMBASSADORS - Renegades: 107.896 (+ 0.247)
8. THE WEEKND - Can't Feel My Face: 104.212 (- 1.841)
9. ELLE KING - Ex's and Oh's: 97.521 (+ 1.869) ▲
10. ED SHEERAN - Photograph: 93.576 (- 3.360) ▼
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11. SELENA GOMEZ - Good For You f/A$AP Rocky: 88.248 (- 1.634)
12. FETTY WAP - 679 f/Remy Boyz...: 82.603 (+ 0.589)
13. MAJOR LAZER - Lean On f/MØ & DJ Snake: 80.841 (- 0.673)
14. WALK THE MOON - Shut Up And Dance: 75.778 (- 1.001)
15. ALESSIA CARA - Here: 68.791 (+ 1.853)
16. MEGHAN TRAINOR - Like I'm Gonna Lose You: 66.432 (+ 1.498)
17. LUKE BRYAN - Strip It Down: 64.428 (- 0.402) ▲
18. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - Downtown: 64.271 (- 0.577) ▼
19. ONE DIRECTION - Drag Me Down: 63.506 (+ 0.173) ▲
20. JASON DERULO - Want To Want Me: 63.326 (- 0.916) ▼
ELLIE GOULDING - On My Mind: 61.479 (+ 0.677)
FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE - Anything Goes: 61.297 (+ 0.325)
COLE SWINDELL - Let Me See Ya Girl: 59.267 (+ 0.510)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Smoke Break: 57.329 (+ 0.071)
CALVIN HARRIS + DISCIPLES - How Deep Is Your Love: 53.029 (+ 0.460)
BLAKE SHELTON - Gonna: 48.783 (+ 0.133)
SELENA GOMEZ - Same Old Love: 42.078 (+ 0.917)
ADELE - Hello: 32.152 (+ 7.653)
DEMI LOVATO - Confident: 29.591 (+ 0.698)
RUDIMENTAL - Lay It All On Me f/Ed Sheeran: 29.342 (+ 0.780)
THOMAS RHETT - Die A Happy Man: 23.039 (+ 0.276)
RACHEL PLATTEN - Stand By You: 15.875 (+ 0.037)
JUSTIN BIEBER - Sorry: 15.065 (+ 4.279)
CHRIS BROWN - Zero: 11.494 (+ 0.610)
ONE DIRECTION - Perfect: 8.831 (+ 0.798)
FALL OUT BOY - Irresistible f/Demi Lovato: 3.960 (+ 0.531)
GWEN STEFANI - Used To Love You: 3.777 (+ 0.655)
TOVE LO - Moments: 2.695 (+ 0.158)
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Post by Soulsista on Oct 25, 2015 10:33:01 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
November 8, 1980
01 01 Woman In Love - Barbra Streisand (3rd and final week at #1)
02 04 Lady - Kenny Rogers
03 03 He's So Shy - The Pointer Sisters
04 02 Another One Bites The Dust - Queen
05 06 The Wanderer - Donna Summer
06 09 I'm Coming Out - Diana Ross
07 08 Never Knew Love Like This Before - Stephanie Mills
08 10 Master Blaster (Jammin') - Stevie Wonder
09 05 Real Lover - The Doobie Brothers
10 07 Upside Down - Diana Ross
November 9, 1985
01 02 Miami Vice Theme - Jan Hammer (1st and only week at #1)
02 01 Part Time Lover - Stevie Wonder
03 04 Head Over Heels - Tears For Fears
04 06 You Belong To The City - Glenn Frey
05 07 We Built This City - Starship
06 03 Saving All My Love For You - Whitney Houston
07 15 Separate Lives - Phil Collins & Marilyn Martin
08 05 Take On Me - a-ha
09 10 Be Near Me - ABC
10 18 Lay Your Hands On Me - The Thompson Twins
November 10, 1990
01 03 Love Takes Time - Mariah Carey (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 06 Pray - M.C. Hammer
03 01 Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice
04 04 Giving You The Benefit - Pebbles
05 05 I Don't Have The Heart - James Ingram
06 08 More Than Words Can Say - Alias
07 02 Black Cat - Janet Jackson
08 12 Groove Is In The Heart - Deee-Lite
09 11 Knockin' Boots - Candyman
10 16 Something To Believe In - Poison
November 4, 1995
01 01 Fantasy - Mariah Carey (6th of 8 weeks at #1)
02 02 Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio feat. L.V.
03 03 Runaway - Janet Jackson
04 04 Kiss From a Rose - Seal
05 07 Tell Me - Groove Theory
06 06 As I Lay Me Down - Sophie B. Hawkins
07 08 Only Wanna Be With You - Hootie & The Blowfish
08 05 You Are Not Alone - Michael Jackson
09 09 Back For Good - Take That
10 12 Roll To Me - Del Amitri
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Post by Soulsista on Oct 25, 2015 11:02:31 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
October 31, 1960 (for the week ending November 5)
01 02 Save The Last Dance For Me - The Drifters (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 01 I Want To Be Wanted - Brenda Lee
03 04 My Heart Has a Mind Of Its Own - Connie Francis
04 03 The Twist - Chubby Checker
05 05 Chain Gang - Sam Cooke
06 12 You Talk Too Much - Joe Jones
07 06 Devil Or Angel - Bobby Vee
08 07 Let's Think About Living - Bob Luman
09 26 Poetry In Motion - Johnny Tillotson
10 11 Georgia On My Mind - Ray Charles
November 6, 1965
01 03 Get Off My Cloud - The Rolling Stones (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 02 A Lover's Concerto - The Toys
03 01 Yesterday - The Beatles
04 05 Everybody Loves a Clown - Gary Lewis & The Playboys
05 04 Keep On Dancing - The Gentrys
06 07 You're The One - The Vogues
07 08 Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan
08 10 1-2-3 - Len Barry
09 14 Rescue Me - Fontella Bass
10 15 Taste Of Honey - Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass
November 7, 1970
01 01 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five (4th of 5 weeks at #1)
02 02 We've Only Just Begun - The Carpenters
03 03 Fire And Rain - James Taylor
04 05 Green-Eyed Lady - Sugarloaf
05 07 Indiana Wants Me - R. Dean Taylor
06 06 All Right Now - Free
07 17 I Think I Love You - The Partridge Family
08 04 Cracklin' Rosie - Neil Diamond
09 08 Candida - Dawn
10 09 Lola - The Kinks
November 8, 1975
01 01 Island Girl - Elton John (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 04 Lyin' Eyes - The Eagles
03 02 I'm Sorry / Calypso - John Denver
04 06 Who Loves You - The Four Seasons
05 03 Miracles - Jefferson Starship
06 09 Love Is a Rose / Heatwave - Linda Ronstadt
07 05 They Just Can't Stop It (Games People Play) - The Spinners
08 10 This Will Be - Natalie Cole
09 07 Feelings - Morris Albert
10 14 The Way I Want To Touch You - The Captain & Tennille
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Oct 25, 2015 12:58:13 GMT -5
Top 10 flashbacks for this week 1 1 Like A G6 - Far East Movement feat. The Cataracs & Dev (2nd week of 3 @ #1) 2 2 Just The Way You Are - Bruno Mars 3 4 Only Girl (In The World) - Rihanna 4 3 Just A Dream - Nelly 5 5 DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love - Usher feat. Pitbull 6 10 Bottoms Up - Trey Songz feat. Nicki Minaj 7 7 Teenage Dream - Katy Perry 8 8 Dynamite - Taio Cruz 9 9 Club Can't Handle Me - Flo Rida feat. David Guetta 10 11 Raise Your Glass - P!nk + 11 NE Mean - Taylor Swift Holy flashback.. this is my freshman year of college in a nutshell (that was five years ago!?!?) |
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 25, 2015 13:06:44 GMT -5
So looks like we will only have 10 Hot 100 #1's this year. Hotline Bling #9 this week and Hello #10 for the rest of the year. Drops down to 7 if you take out the one weekers. Uhmm WHAT?? |
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Post by rimetm on Oct 25, 2015 13:21:17 GMT -5
So looks like we will only have 10 Hot 100 #1's this year. Hotline Bling #9 this week and Hello #10 for the rest of the year. Drops down to 7 if you take out the one weekers. Uhmm WHAT?? The one-weekers, if we take popbox's supposition that Hotline Bling will be a one-weeker and that Hello will take the last 3 weeks of the year, would be: Bad Blood What Do You Mean Hotline Bling So in essence, we've only had 7 "natural" #1s with longevity at the top. The one-weekers all had some big impetus pushing them that couldn't last: Bad Blood and Hotline Bling had the music video launch, while What Do You Mean had the hype/everything launch. |
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 25, 2015 13:34:38 GMT -5
Sorry but I don't get that at all. There are hundreds of one week #1's.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Oct 25, 2015 13:37:40 GMT -5
So in essence, we've only had 7 "natural" #1s with longevity at the top. The one-weekers all had some big impetus pushing them that couldn't last: Bad Blood and Hotline Bling had the music video launch, while What Do You Mean had the hype/everything launch. A #1 is a #1 is a #1 is a #1. There's nothing anymore "unnatural" about a one-week #1 than a six-week #1. This is ridiculous. |
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Post by Enigma. on Oct 25, 2015 13:50:25 GMT -5
Some one weekers from recent years:
When I Was Your Man
Black and Yellow
Give Me Everything
Only Girl
What's My Name
and Poker Face
If we include S&M Rihanna would have at least 3 number ones LESS than she has now, just because of that "one weeker rule"
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