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Post by tamed09 on Aug 18, 2023 14:10:45 GMT -5
Great interview! Glad that she openly spoke about the deal that was never made public
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Post by MaterialGirl on Aug 18, 2023 17:43:56 GMT -5
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Post by 🇯🇲 lucy88 🇯🇲 on Aug 18, 2023 17:56:28 GMT -5
Full video of the interview
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Post by Exclusive on Aug 18, 2023 19:10:30 GMT -5
I was slightly disappointed with the Lil Baby Collab, and "2 in Luv" is a skip for me. The rest are pretty decent though not on the level of "How We Roll".
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Post by tazzman on Aug 18, 2023 19:56:12 GMT -5
Okay I had to listen and sit with it and it grew on me a bit. Initially only liked the two songs I heard coming into this How We Roll and Winning. The others grew on me, this is a cute project. Nothing more nothing less, nothing ground breaking or game changing for her and I guess that's okay. I love BRB and I enjoy Forever as well. The rest are cool. They most definitely picked the best song to lead with, I hope that continues to do something.
Listening to her Apple interview(great interview btw) it's clear when she was talking about maintaining joy and prioritizing it to the point that she knows sometimes she can be delusional about things put it into perspective about her hunger as a music artist and that the goals and ambitious we have for her just may not be that important to her and she just wants to dance, enjoy life and make her music and stay out the way and I'm gonna have to be cool with that. But I wanted so much more at times for her and the heights she can reach. I can go on and on but I already typed enough.
If I can state one more thing, I truly hopes she leaves behind trying to cater to her OG/Goodies audience. I want her to really branch out and try some fresh and new things, what does she has to lose at this point the OG audience can connect with the old music on streaming etc..
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Post by tamed09 on Aug 18, 2023 20:11:37 GMT -5
The last mini paragraph is exactly why she’s always been confused musically on what her audience IS and WANTS.
That interview didn't show delusion to me, it showed more so her saying that she's unwilling to live in toxicity just to make music.
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Post by tazzman on Aug 18, 2023 20:27:30 GMT -5
The last mini paragraph is exactly why she’s always been confused musically on what her audience IS and WANTS. That interview didn't show delusion to me, it showed more so her saying that she's unwilling to live in toxicity just to make music. I Agree with you. Hence I want her to quit trying to cater to them(hell us lol) and push her boundaries i want her to take those risks again like she used too. And I wasn't calling her delusional, that's the word she used for when she is focusing on joy. I understand what she was saying about it and I admire that about her.
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Post by think pink. on Aug 18, 2023 21:51:02 GMT -5
If I can state one more thing, I truly hopes she leaves behind trying to cater to her OG/Goodies audience. I want her to really branch out and try some fresh and new things, what does she has to lose at this point the OG audience can connect with the old music on streaming etc.. THIS! I’ve been feeling this way for years. This is what she’s been doing post Fantasy Ride and it’s only hurt her imo. It’s sad to say, but that audience no longer cares for her and hasn’t since The Evolution. Why continue to cater to an audience that doesn’t care about you and enjoys using you as a meme and a punching bag. It’s also stifled her creativity post “Ciara”. That album is her best album since her debut but she hasn’t been able to replicate that magic. Maybe it’s because her heart isn’t into making that type of music anymore but she still feels like she has to in order to please her Goodies days audience, idk. But it was always clear to me that Ciara wanted to go into a more poppy direction. She’s sprinkled pop songs on all her albums since Fantasy Ride, but was always too scared to go all the way with that direction in fear of backlash. Look at the backlash she got from Love, Sex & Magic. And that ended up being the only hit from the album, Justin feature or not. Now would be the time to do it. She has nothing left to lose atp and who cares what her old audience would have to say. They haven’t supported her in over a decade.
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Post by tamed09 on Aug 18, 2023 22:00:10 GMT -5
Ciara hasn’t had a record at Urban radio since 2015 and she finally has one thats showing really good early signs and yall want her to abandon the potential of what could be in order to go play the game over at Top 40? Not to mention the ageism that comes with Top 40 more so than urban/rhythmic. Ciara makes great r&b music that has crossover appeal when she does it the right way. HWR absolutely has the potential to be a monster, let it work itself . CiCi absolutely is a better step for her than Beauty Marks sonically.
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Post by think pink. on Aug 18, 2023 22:52:41 GMT -5
“Cici” is mid at best. Being slightly better than Skid Marks isn’t saying much when that is her worst album to date and she’s consistently been releasing mid ever since.
Either her heart isn’t with this sound anymore or her creativity has left her body and her ear for good music is shot to shit. 🤷🏻♀️
A new direction (and writers) would be a breath of fresh air atp. There have been older acts in recent years scoring hits on Pop. Ciara isn’t in any better chance of getting a hit on either platform. Let’s be clear, Chris Brown is very much the main reason why HRW will be getting any love on those formats.
HRW is a fantastic record. But it’s 1 great record out of like 10 she‘s dropped this past year.
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Post by tazzman on Aug 18, 2023 23:20:09 GMT -5
Me personally I didn't mention anything about going for top 40 format. Hell at this point. I'm not advocating for her to chase hits at this stage of her career AND the state of the industry today and the format of it(follow me), she doesn't need them. I just want her to do something that "connects" more and can help her rebuild a proper fan base that supports more and shows up instead of trying to tear her down for not living up to the "hey day" records. It's not fair to her, and to my point look at artists like Kehlani, Russ etc... they're not smashing the Hot 100 but their fan bases shows up.
Whatever that sound it for her I would want her to try and reach new audiences, it can still be urban crossover music, just not songs that are trying to recapture Goodies vibe. I hope that makes sense. Idk maybe I'm being to analytical at the moment, but it's a "feeling" that's missing something that ties it all together.
And I love HWR BTW and it's a start in the right direction, but after the EP I wondered how much that will carry over and translate or that's Chris B good will(it's not all him, because his other records with female r&b artists haven't done well either) so yeah people wanted to see them do their thing together and they delivered, but how many are gonna stay now or return? If that makes sense. We will see as HWR keeps growing.
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Post by think pink. on Aug 18, 2023 23:33:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I only mentioned pop because Ciara gave me the impression that’s where she’s been wanting to go. But I’ll take any direction as long as she’s not trying to recreate her Goodies days to an audience that’s not there anymore. She’s been trying to do this since Basic Instinct and it hasn’t worked.
Nothing excites me about her working with Jazze Phae in 2023. She can still do urban and have it be fresh. She just needs a better musical team to pull out another “Ciara” from her.
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Post by tamed09 on Aug 19, 2023 0:04:29 GMT -5
Not you saying she’s been trying to do it since Basic Instinct when Jackie and BM exist😂
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Post by think pink. on Aug 19, 2023 0:22:39 GMT -5
Okay, give or take two albums lol.
She’s back to doing it again so 🤷🏻♀️ .
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Aug 19, 2023 0:22:49 GMT -5
"Jackie" was definitely pop/r&b but it seemed promotion stopped after "I Bet" peaked. "Dance Like We're Making Love" could've have landed on Pop radio if they would've promoted it.
Don't get me started on "Beauty Marks" she waited TOO late to capitalize on "Level Up"(once again, no real promotion, no radio adds), and then "Thinkin Bout You" was doing decently, but didn't stay around because why?
Maybe the reception..but also the lack of PROMOTION.
If you want to aim for Pop radio, you gotta push it more or something cause it can happen.
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Post by think pink. on Aug 19, 2023 0:27:18 GMT -5
“I Bet” had crossover potential too. They should’ve sent it to Pop after it did well on Urban/Rhythmic. Or did they? Can’t remember.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Aug 19, 2023 0:32:30 GMT -5
“I Bet” had crossover potential too. They should’ve sent it to Pop after it did well on Urban/Rhythmic. Or did they? Can’t remember. Only went for Urb/Rhy adds. Definitely should've sent it to Pop cause that sound was in at the time and she was coming off of the Future breakup. "Overdose" also could've been pushed to pop and they sent it urban/rhy but pulled the digital release🤧🤧 her team fucked up some potential moments forreal. They got it right with HWR(in addition to CB)
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Post by internety on Aug 19, 2023 3:22:08 GMT -5
Played it several times now. No skips for me. Loving it
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Post by twocents on Aug 19, 2023 8:18:09 GMT -5
"Jackie" was definitely pop/r&b but it seemed promotion stopped after "I Bet" peaked. "Dance Like We're Making Love" could've have landed on Pop radio if they would've promoted it. Don't get me started on "Beauty Marks" she waited TOO late to capitalize on "Level Up"(once again, no real promotion, no radio adds), and then "Thinkin Bout You" was doing decently, but didn't stay around because why? Maybe the reception..but also the lack of PROMOTION. If you want to aim for Pop radio, you gotta push it more or something cause it can happen. I agree....promote promote promote! She also really needs to tap in to her fanbase more. One thing I low-key hated would be when she would promote new music she would talk extensively about her personal life and irrelevant fluff ..... make the main focus the music. I really liked the apple music interview w/ Nedaska. More interviews like this please!
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Post by MaterialGirl on Aug 19, 2023 8:18:45 GMT -5
The EP is soooooo good
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Post by Sir Benji on Aug 19, 2023 8:31:54 GMT -5
This EP is decent/good but it could have been SO much better with Better Thangs and Da Girls replacing 2 of the songs.
1. Better Thangs 2. Da Girls 3. Winning 4. Forever 5. BRB 6. How We Roll 7. 2 in Luv
If that would have been the track-list this EP would have ATE, change the EP title to Forever, along with the pregnancy announcement say it's love letter to the fans and Russel. This is a treat for the fans to hold you guys over until I come back from maternity leave.
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Post by tamed09 on Aug 19, 2023 16:32:31 GMT -5
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Post by 🇯🇲 lucy88 🇯🇲 on Aug 19, 2023 18:40:27 GMT -5
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Post by Dreams on Aug 20, 2023 12:12:07 GMT -5
The EP is just zzzZZZzZZz... I really dig “Low Key” - nice little slow jam there - but other than that, no bueno!
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Post by twocents on Aug 21, 2023 8:43:09 GMT -5
The EP is good/okay. I just want her to stop working so heavily with Theron. If she continues to solely work with him she is just gonna stay in this awkward spot of okay/mid songs.
I want to see what she sounds like with different writers & producers
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Post by tamed09 on Aug 21, 2023 8:51:11 GMT -5
Chile he all over the album so get ready to type up them paragraphs and be mad.
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Post by tazzman on Aug 21, 2023 12:15:13 GMT -5
The EP most definitely grew on me more. It's good, I mean what can I expect. I love majo
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Post by twocents on Aug 21, 2023 12:17:26 GMT -5
Chile he all over the album so get ready to type up them paragraphs and be mad. I know, that's why I feel like sonically there has been no growth. But I think he is her only option, so I guess
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Post by tazzman on Aug 21, 2023 12:17:44 GMT -5
The EP most definitely grew on me more. It's good, I mean what can I expect. I love majority of Ci music at some point she has a very solid discography. I do agree that her and Theron have a "ceilijg" that i don't think can get much higher and she severely limited. Maybe not get rid of him but throw in another creative to help pull out more from them or something. DJ Camper stated he would love to work with Ciara really bad, I would love to hear how that comes about along with some fresh hungry ones.
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Post by tazzman on Aug 21, 2023 12:20:12 GMT -5
Chile he all over the album so get ready to type up them paragraphs and be mad. I know, that's why I feel like sonically there has been no growth. But I think he is her only option, so I guess Where did you get he's her only option... DJ camper just stated like two weeks ago he wants yo work with Ciara along with various other ones. There are plenty of upcoming and fresh hungry producers as well willing to step in. He is just who she has the most comfort in because he held her down.
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