Nicki Minaj – "Pink Friday 2: The Hiatus"

[Caviar]

You would be right had she released ONE song but she released three and barely any of them are diss tracks. When Remy can get a SOLO track to chart in the top 5 WITHOUT mentioning Nicki's name then we can talk. All these Remy fans need to buy her s**t.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Wack AF. There were a couple good lines and that is being generous. She starts the song with Auto-Tuned singing that manages to still be off-key and ends it with Weezy literally wheezing for 30 seconds. Mess. Couldn't even get through the snorefest of the song about Meek or Safaree or whoever. Again, Nicki is NOT A SINGER. At least when Iggy talked about how she would be singing on an album, she admitted it was "ugly singing" but Nicki is actually feeling the sound of her singing voice which is...unfortunate. I will listen to the 3rd song to see if it's any good.

[Linnethia Monique]

Mar 10, 2017 15:31:46 GMT -5 Caviar said:

It's trash only when you hate the song(s)? Okay. Because if this was outside the top 20 it would be another narrative.

Well...yeah. My opinion is that the song is weak. So regardless of any outside sources the track will still be weak to me. A lot of my favorite artists are "flops" so success is a non-thing to me when it comes to whether I like something or not.

[Evergreen]

So.......Remy is out here scoring moral victories from self proclaimed hip-hop aficionados and Nicki out here #1 on the charts, #1 trending worldwide, and gonna make millions off the beef while the only thing Remy is gonna get is sued by Universal?

The crown is securely fastened on Nicki's head.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Oh, come on. I've always hated the whole success = quality argument with stans. I know for fact most of you guys are above that type of rhetoric and reasoning.

If you think Nicki, from a content viewpoint, clapbacked strong, say that. Don't cite her fucking chart position. Nicki could've queefed over a beat for four minutes and it would've charted better than Remy, so chill with that mess.

That's just how I feel. But maybe that's just me. *kanyeshrug*

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

People arguing numbers and stats as if Remy set out to demolish Nicki on the charts with her diss track(s). Remy isn't a fool. She knew that wasn't a reality. She stated as much in the track. So, I don't understand why people are so fixated on that point.

Regardless, I'm a little surprised she responded. I thought she'd maybe throw in a throwaway line somewhere, but otherwise paid Remy dust. But this was a smarter route from a commercial standpoint. I see you, Onika!

[Keelzit]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about the whole 'she should respond earlier with a solo song!?!!?' argument? Nicki has more than proved herself at this point. People who never took her seriously after so many years of being in the industry and so much material she's put out wouldn't suddenly worship her if she responded a day after Shether came out. Maybe there's some unwritten rule in the hip hop community I'm not aware of since I don't follow it that much but to me, Nicki is a hugely gifted artist with an incredible voice. I don't care if she does rap, hip hop or pop. She sounds fantastic in whatever she does and that's what matters to me.

[Evergreen]

Mar 10, 2017 18:15:31 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Oh, come on. I've always hated the whole success = quality argument with stans. I know for fact most of you guys are above that type of rhetoric and reasoning.

If you think Nicki, from a content viewpoint, clapbacked strong, say that. Don't cite her f**king chart position. Nicki could've queefed over a beat for four minutes and it would've charted better than Remy, so chill with that mess.

That's just how I feel. But maybe that's just me. *kanyeshrug*

I don't stan for anyone but Rihanna. I'm more of a casual Nicki fan (quite honestly, I'm #teamnicki more so because I abhor Remy as opposed to stanning for Nicki). But I'll say it plainly........I thought "Shether" was garbage. The flow was lame, the bars were just okay, the production sounded like it was produced in someone's garage. Nicki is a better rapper. Her flow and cadence are better, more sophisticated.......more versatile. I couldn't get through "Shether", like Remy herself, it was just a little too raw and unpolished and a little too ghetto trash for my personal tastes. As a diss track, "No Frauds" wasn't ground breaking, but it GOES as a record. The product is top notch. It's catchy as hell. It bops in the car. I much perfer "No Frauds" as a track. Is that better?

But seriously, why are people acting like numbers don't matter? Who's record goes harder is subjective. Numbers are the objective truth. We don't know if people prefer one track over the other, but we know beyond a reasonable doubt more people were willing to spend their money for Nicki's. I don't make that argument to indicate success = quality, it's just an objective, verifiable fact. Remy is a niche act with a cult following. Nicki's the people's champ.

[think pink.]

Mar 10, 2017 18:24:50 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Am I the only one who doesn't give a f**k about the whole 'she should respond earlier with a solo song!?!!?' argument? Nicki has more than proved herself at this point. People who never took her seriously after so many years of being in the industry and so much material she's put out wouldn't suddenly worship her if she responded a day after Shether came out. Maybe there's some unwritten rule in the hip hop community I'm not aware of since I don't follow it that much but to me, Nicki is a hugely gifted artist with an incredible voice. I don't care if she does rap, hip hop or pop. She sounds fantastic in whatever she does and that's what matters to me.

It took Jay-Z 3 months to respond to Nas and ppl still gag on his balls. People just wanted Nicki to respond quickly so they could make a meme and get twitter likes. Generally speaking? Nobody cares. People are clearing loving the song and these sudden Remy supporters still aren't even listening to her new album.

[Linnethia Monique]

Mar 10, 2017 19:00:40 GMT -5 think pink. said:

Mar 10, 2017 18:24:50 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Am I the only one who doesn't give a f**k about the whole 'she should respond earlier with a solo song!?!!?' argument? Nicki has more than proved herself at this point. People who never took her seriously after so many years of being in the industry and so much material she's put out wouldn't suddenly worship her if she responded a day after Shether came out. Maybe there's some unwritten rule in the hip hop community I'm not aware of since I don't follow it that much but to me, Nicki is a hugely gifted artist with an incredible voice. I don't care if she does rap, hip hop or pop. She sounds fantastic in whatever she does and that's what matters to me.

It took Jay-Z 3 months to respond to Nas and ppl still gag on his balls. People just wanted Nicki to respond quickly so they could make a meme and get twitter likes. Generally speaking? Nobody cares. People are clearing loving the song and these sudden Remy supporters still aren't even listening to her new album.

You might want to check your timeline because Nas and Jay were going back and forth at each other for the majority of 2001 with freestyles at Summer Jam, premiering diss records on Hot 97, and various records from their projects that dropped that year. "Takeover" was freestyled at Summer Jam but Jay hadn't completed the track by that time. Nas responded quick as hell with a freestyle and then Jay dropped the finished "Takeover" on Blueprint. Nas responded with "Ether" right afterwards on Stillmatic. There was more to the beef than just those two tracks. Lest we forget about "Supa Ugly" that Jay swiftly responded to over Nas' own "Got Ur Self A..." a mere few days after "Ether" dropped.

[think pink.]

Yeah I know. They took indirect shots at each other in songs but then Nas dropped a full blown diss with the H to the Omo freestyle. Jay didn't respond until Blueprint.

[#LisaRinna]

Mar 10, 2017 11:32:21 GMT -5 wavey. said:

I think a feature gets just as much credit as a leader, but that's just moi.

That's not what Billboard been telling.

[wavey.]

"Gay-Z..." 💀💀💀💀💀💀 I'll never forget.
SHOOTER besides falling asleep, what are your thoughts?

[SHOOTER]

Mar 10, 2017 20:44:10 GMT -5 wavey. said:

"Gay-Z..." 💀💀💀💀💀💀 I'll never forget.
SHOOTER besides falling asleep, what are your thoughts?

As far as the beef is concerned? Remy won hands down. Nicki might be the queen of commercial rap success (which would be very debatable if it was based on her success with her actual "hip-hop" records), but beef at its core is about skill and credibility and, while I really didn't expect her to, part of me was hoping Nicki would at least rise to the occasion and flex her lyrical muscle a little harder; she cannot rest on the greatness of her Monster verse any longer.

As far as the songs themselves? Weak with little to no replay value for me. She's done much better. I'd have preferred she called up Cassandra for a sequel to The Boys vs. having Drake phone in a verse and Weezy having a low key asthma attack on two tracks.

[wavey.]

Mar 10, 2017 22:32:38 GMT -5 SHOOTER said:

Mar 10, 2017 20:44:10 GMT -5 wavey. said:

"Gay-Z..." 💀💀💀💀💀💀 I'll never forget.
SHOOTER besides falling asleep, what are your thoughts?

As far as the beef is concerned? Remy won hands down. Nicki might be the queen of commercial rap success (which would be very debatable if it was based on her success with her actual "hip-hop" records), but beef at its core is about skill and credibility and, while I really didn't expect her to, part of me was hoping Nicki would at least rise to the occasion and flex her lyrical muscle a little harder; she cannot rest on the greatness of her Monster verse any longer.

As far as the songs themselves? Weak with little to no replay value for me. She's done much better. I'd have preferred she called up Cassandra for a sequel to The Boys vs. having Drake phone in a verse and Weezy having a low key asthma attack on two tracks.

Go back to sleep😉

I hope the Future collab is hot.

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Mar 10, 2017 19:00:03 GMT -5 Evergreen said:

Mar 10, 2017 18:15:31 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Oh, come on. I've always hated the whole success = quality argument with stans. I know for fact most of you guys are above that type of rhetoric and reasoning.

If you think Nicki, from a content viewpoint, clapbacked strong, say that. Don't cite her f**king chart position. Nicki could've queefed over a beat for four minutes and it would've charted better than Remy, so chill with that mess.

That's just how I feel. But maybe that's just me. *kanyeshrug*

I don't stan for anyone but Rihanna. I'm more of a casual Nicki fan (quite honestly, I'm #teamnicki more so because I abhor Remy as opposed to stanning for Nicki). But I'll say it plainly........I thought "Shether" was garbage. The flow was lame, the bars were just okay, the production sounded like it was produced in someone's garage. Nicki is a better rapper. Her flow and cadence are better, more sophisticated.......more versatile. I couldn't get through "Shether", like Remy herself, it was just a little too raw and unpolished and a little too ghetto trash for my personal tastes. As a diss track, "No Frauds" wasn't ground breaking, but it GOES as a record. The product is top notch. It's catchy as hell. It bops in the car. I much perfer "No Frauds" as a track. Is that better?

But seriously, why are people acting like numbers don't matter? Who's record goes harder is subjective. Numbers are the objective truth. We don't know if people prefer one track over the other, but we know beyond a reasonable doubt more people were willing to spend their money for Nicki's. I don't make that argument to indicate success = quality, it's just an objective, verifiable fact. Remy is a niche act with a cult following. Nicki's the people's champ.

I really hope you're black and not white because dismissing Remy as ghetto trash would really be borderline racist and I would have to spit in your face but I'm going to assume you're black for the sake of blood pressure and just misinformed as to what real hip hop is all about( and that just because someone doesn't appeal to little white girls doesn't make them ghetto trash )

This is the pop, mainstream elitist attitude that I do hate on this board and society. Real hip hop is not a niche and Nicki isn't people's champ. She is champ of 12 year white girls and gays from the suburbs . You know music and wigs geared to the market that buys record. Her success will never mean she is better or less ghetto or better than Remi or any other rapper.

Let's not act like mainstream success makes you a champion of your art when some people choose to focus on arts and craft and not appealing to mainstream and white people.

You might see me bragging about Mariah's success but that is only because she is a true artist who was one of the best vocalists when she achieved that success. When sales and quality add up then you have a icon. When sales Trump quality and artistry then you have a Nicki Minaj.
Just because Jason Derulo sells more singles than James Blake doesn't make Jason better or more talented.

*I don't care what people like just the reasons given sometimes are smdh

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Some of you people are ignorant AF and your choice of code words make me sick.

[Deleted]

What gets me is people like Remy MA won't ever sell no matter what because people like that will refer as that ghetto bitch who doesn't appeal to us. Nobody nowadays cares about spitting bars or real singing. I bet if Remy was light skin and barbie like and less "hood" she would move units. It's all vanity and stereotyping that counts not talent.

[think pink.]

Would be here for a Tinashe collab

http://instagram.com/p/BRejOOJhqdG

[fire]

Mar 10, 2017 23:34:03 GMT -5 @pma2015 said:

Mar 10, 2017 19:00:03 GMT -5 Evergreen said:

I don't stan for anyone but Rihanna. I'm more of a casual Nicki fan (quite honestly, I'm #teamnicki more so because I abhor Remy as opposed to stanning for Nicki). But I'll say it plainly........I thought "Shether" was garbage. The flow was lame, the bars were just okay, the production sounded like it was produced in someone's garage. Nicki is a better rapper. Her flow and cadence are better, more sophisticated.......more versatile. I couldn't get through "Shether", like Remy herself, it was just a little too raw and unpolished and a little too ghetto trash for my personal tastes. As a diss track, "No Frauds" wasn't ground breaking, but it GOES as a record. The product is top notch. It's catchy as hell. It bops in the car. I much perfer "No Frauds" as a track. Is that better?

But seriously, why are people acting like numbers don't matter? Who's record goes harder is subjective. Numbers are the objective truth. We don't know if people prefer one track over the other, but we know beyond a reasonable doubt more people were willing to spend their money for Nicki's. I don't make that argument to indicate success = quality, it's just an objective, verifiable fact. Remy is a niche act with a cult following. Nicki's the people's champ.

I really hope you're black and not white because dismissing Remy as ghetto trash would really be borderline racist and I would have to spit in your face but I'm going to assume you're black for the sake of blood pressure and just misinformed as to what real hip hop is all about( and that just because someone doesn't appeal to little white girls doesn't make them ghetto trash )

This is the pop, mainstream elitist attitude that I do hate on this board and society. Real hip hop is not a niche and Nicki isn't people's champ. She is champ of 12 year white girls and gays from the suburbs . You know music and wigs geared to the market that buys record. Her success will never mean she is better or less ghetto or better than Remi or any other rapper.

Let's not act like mainstream success makes you a champion of your art when some people choose to focus on arts and craft and not appealing to mainstream and white people.

You might see me bragging about Mariah's success but that is only because she is a true artist who was one of the best vocalists when she achieved that success. When sales and quality add up then you have a icon. When sales Trump quality and artistry then you have a Nicki Minaj.
Just because Jason Derulo sells more singles than James Blake doesn't make Jason better or more talented.

*I don't care what people like just the reasons given sometimes are smdh

Calm down. No need to bring the race card into this - if you associate the word ghetto with racism, I'm sure your statement on gays (in the full sense of your comment: Nicki's commercial trash and only gays and girls like it) is all sorts of homophobic?

Remy's verse was trashy - basically, tabloid rumors tagged onto each other. I think that's what dorr was saying.

And don't act like commerical success means you can't have credibility. Saying that Nicki does not have credibility or is not a real hip hop artist is ridiculous. People are quick to forget how much praise she got for her flow and lyrics when she started off. And while she's perhaps rightfully critized for doing too much pop music, it's not like she didn't deliver 'real hip hop' any longer...and by the way, most of the greats had both commercial success and artistic appeal. 'Making it' in hip hop has always had a commercial side to it.

Fact is: Remy is irrelevant to the general public. People are claiming that she's adored by the hip hop community but then again: Where's her following? To say it with Nicki: "Queen of Rap - bitch where?" With Spotify and streaming, 'the culture' could easily support her. But they don't by all quantitative accounts - so how does that not make her a niche act????

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that is your opinion, and it is also incorrect.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Bye. I know Modelizer is black, but if he weren't, there's nothing wrong with Coco's statements about the use of the term "ghetto trash". It is coded language for most people. And don't you even dare try it with the phrase "race card". Girl, if you don't sit your behind down.

Remy's verse was trashy - basically, tabloid rumors tagged onto each other. I think that's what dorr was saying.

If that's what he meant, that's what he would have said. Feeling the need to add "ghetto" in front of it has a clear connotation. Sit.

[Evergreen]

Mar 10, 2017 23:34:03 GMT -5 @pma2015 said:

Mar 10, 2017 19:00:03 GMT -5 Evergreen said:

I don't stan for anyone but Rihanna. I'm more of a casual Nicki fan (quite honestly, I'm #teamnicki more so because I abhor Remy as opposed to stanning for Nicki). But I'll say it plainly........I thought "Shether" was garbage. The flow was lame, the bars were just okay, the production sounded like it was produced in someone's garage. Nicki is a better rapper. Her flow and cadence are better, more sophisticated.......more versatile. I couldn't get through "Shether", like Remy herself, it was just a little too raw and unpolished and a little too ghetto trash for my personal tastes. As a diss track, "No Frauds" wasn't ground breaking, but it GOES as a record. The product is top notch. It's catchy as hell. It bops in the car. I much perfer "No Frauds" as a track. Is that better?

But seriously, why are people acting like numbers don't matter? Who's record goes harder is subjective. Numbers are the objective truth. We don't know if people prefer one track over the other, but we know beyond a reasonable doubt more people were willing to spend their money for Nicki's. I don't make that argument to indicate success = quality, it's just an objective, verifiable fact. Remy is a niche act with a cult following. Nicki's the people's champ.

I really hope you're black and not white because dismissing Remy as ghetto trash would really be borderline racist and I would have to spit in your face but I'm going to assume you're black for the sake of blood pressure and just misinformed as to what real hip hop is all about( and that just because someone doesn't appeal to little white girls doesn't make them ghetto trash )

This is the pop, mainstream elitist attitude that I do hate on this board and society. Real hip hop is not a niche and Nicki isn't people's champ. She is champ of 12 year white girls and gays from the suburbs . You know music and wigs geared to the market that buys record. Her success will never mean she is better or less ghetto or better than Remi or any other rapper.

Let's not act like mainstream success makes you a champion of your art when some people choose to focus on arts and craft and not appealing to mainstream and white people.

You might see me bragging about Mariah's success but that is only because she is a true artist who was one of the best vocalists when she achieved that success. When sales and quality add up then you have a icon. When sales Trump quality and artistry then you have a Nicki Minaj.
Just because Jason Derulo sells more singles than James Blake doesn't make Jason better or more talented.

*I don't care what people like just the reasons given sometimes are smdh

First thing first, my melanin is POPPIN'

Second.

On March 27, 2008, Smith was convicted of assault, illegal weapon possession and attempted coercion in connection with these charges. She was immediately taken into custody pending sentencing scheduled for May 13. She was acquitted of witness tampering and gang assault, charges which involved the purported intimidation of the boyfriend of a witness. At her sentencing, the judge noted her disregard for the victim following the shooting—commenting that the rapper rifled through the victim's purse looking for the alleged stolen money, as Barnes-Joseph sat seriously wounded in the car. Smith then exited the vehicle, jumped into a waiting car and drove off, leaving Barnes-Joseph bleeding in the front seat. No money was found in Barnes-Joseph's purse.

If there was a definition for ghetto trash, it would look something like the above. Has absolutely nothing to do with her lack of appeal to 12 year old white girls. It has everything to do with her being a convicted felon who likes to end disputes with deadly weapons. Your response to my post was way more racially charged than my actual post.

Third.



Is this the "art and craft" Remy's working so hard on? This single was an attempt to be a sexed up mainstream artist in the same Nicki was initially marketed, except for dudes won't feelin' it, and the song was whack. We can pretend like Remy is famous for her skills, but truth is, she's famous for 1. Shooting her friend/being a felon 2. Being on reality TV 3. Beefing with the queen of rap. Remy stans out here talking like she's spitting J. Cole Kendrick Lamar level bars. It's just not true.....

Fourth.




Let's not pretend Nicki only makes music for 12 year white girls, or gay suburbans. Nicki has proven, time, and time, and time, and time again she can spit that hot fire. Nicki does it for the kids and can turn around and do it for the hood on the very next flow. Why settle when you can get you a girl that do both?

[Evergreen]

Mar 11, 2017 2:07:27 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Bye. I know Modelizer is black, but if he weren't, there's nothing wrong with Coco's statements about the use of the term "ghetto trash". It is coded language for most people. And don't you even dare try it with the phrase "race card". Girl, if you don't sit your behind down.

Remy's verse was trashy - basically, tabloid rumors tagged onto each other. I think that's what dorr was saying.

If that's what he meant, that's what he would have said. Feeling the need to add "ghetto" in front of it has a clear connotation. Sit.

It has the intended connotation. Did you forget that she was out there SHOOTING folks, rummaging through the woman's pursue, left the scene, and made light/jokes of the situation up until the moment she was about to be sentences. That's not ghetto trash were y'all from?

[fire]

Mar 11, 2017 2:07:27 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Bye. I know Modelizer is black, but if he weren't, there's nothing wrong with Coco's statements about the use of the term "ghetto trash". It is coded language for most people. And don't you even dare try it with the phrase "race card". Girl, if you don't sit your behind down.

Remy's verse was trashy - basically, tabloid rumors tagged onto each other. I think that's what dorr was saying.

If that's what he meant, that's what he would have said. Feeling the need to add "ghetto" in front of it has a clear connotation. Sit.

Ay, please go to drama school and innovate your antics. Quite 2000 and late.

There's so much unreflected foul language on this board but "ghetto" gets picked out for being a code in this conversation when other discriminatory connotations go unnoticed. I find that equally outrageous.

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Oh so you're black. Great. You went from a racist to one of those Ben Carson blacks.

Also
I don't know why you're sitting here linking me videos and comparing these two ladies.A)I don't care if you like REMI or Nicki or Queen Latifah I was merely responding to your rude description of someone and b) it's not like your opinion on hip hop is at the top of my reading material.

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Mar 11, 2017 3:11:17 GMT -5 fire said:

Mar 11, 2017 2:07:27 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Bye. I know Modelizer is black, but if he weren't, there's nothing wrong with Coco's statements about the use of the term "ghetto trash". It is coded language for most people. And don't you even dare try it with the phrase "race card". Girl, if you don't sit your behind down.

If that's what he meant, that's what he would have said. Feeling the need to add "ghetto" in front of it has a clear connotation. Sit.

Ay, please go to drama school and innovate your antics. Quite 2000 and late.

There's so much unreflected foul language on this board but "ghetto" gets picked out for being a code in this conversation when other discriminatory connotations go unnoticed. I find that equally outrageous.

Please don't hesitate to remain out of conversation that is clearly beyond your reach and level of understanding. You seem to be having a difficult time expressing your point . Hunni, you're all over the place and seemingly off the mark.

[think pink.]

Evergreen

[Evergreen]

Mar 11, 2017 3:16:54 GMT -5 @pma2015 said:

Oh so you're black. Great. You went from a racist to one of those Ben Carson blacks.

Also
I don't know why you're sitting here linking me videos and comparing these two ladies.A)I don't care if you like REMI or Nicki or Queen Latifah I was merely responding to your rude description of someone and b) it's not like your opinion on hip hop is at the top of my reading material.

Why do you insist on coming for me personally? I've been talking about the artists, and somehow you're calling me a racist and a "Ben Carson" black. I'm all black, pro-black, liberal democrat Bernie Bro. I'm nothing of the person you are making me out to be. Please stop coming for me.

And, there is a documented legal history of Remy being a hood rat. Calling a spade a spade doesn't make me a racist or a republican.

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Lol