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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2016 17:22:46 GMT -5
I don't get how Drake manages to pull this big figures. Most of his songs don't seem to have a broad appeal, and he never had a lot of hits, and yet he continues to sell huge. He's had 4 Hot 100 top 10 hits and yet he's had 6 #1 albums. That's not ver common, is it? Genre hits/artists can sell albums, for one. There are plenty of hip-hop and country artists with top 10 and #1 albums but no top 10s on the Hot 100. Regardless I don't know where you got that he only has 4 top 10 hits. Even if you only look at singles from his albums, he has more than 4: 1. "Best I Ever Had" - #2 2. "Over" - #5 3. "Make Me Proud" - #9 4. "Take Care" - #7 5. "Started From the Bottom" - #6 6. "Hold On, We're Going Home" - #4 7. "Hotline Bling" - #2 8. "One Dance" - #1 He then has other top 10s that were either random singles (like "Summer Sixteen") or where he was a feature on someone else's songs (like his two #1s with Rihanna).
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Post by Nick on May 13, 2016 17:33:45 GMT -5
Chart Date: 05/13/2016
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-- 1 RADIOHEAD A MOON SHAPED POOL XL 174,991 --
1 2 DRAKE VIEWS YMCMB/REPUBLIC 168,481 -80% 2 3 BEYONCE LEMONADE COLUMBIA 154,492 -21% -- 4 KEITH URBAN RIPCORD CAPITOL NASHVILLE 94,983 -- -- 5 COLE SWINDELL YOU SHOULD BE HERE WARNER BROS. NASHVILLE 68,688 -- 4 6 PRINCE THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE WARNER BROS. 65,432 46% 8 7 ADELE 25 XL/COLUMBIA 34,415 49% 3 8 PRINCE PURPLE RAIN WARNER BROS. 30,497 -38% 5 9 NOW 58 VARIOUS ARTISTS NOW 23,423 -39% 7 10 CHRIS STAPLETON TRAVELLER MERCURY NASHVILLE 22,792 -9% -- 11 PRINCE ULTIMATE WARNER BROS. 22,049 631% -- 12 ANDY BLACK THE SHADOW SIDE REPUBLIC 19,493 -- 9 13 PRINCE 1999 WARNER BROS. 18,572 -7% -- 14 RITTZ TOP OF THE LINE STRANGE MUSIC 16,756 -- -- 15 PRINCE PRINCE WARNER BROS. 9,387 256% 12 16 HAMILTON ORIGINAL BROADWAY CAST UPTOWN 16,348 5% -- 17 GOO GOO DOLLS BOXES WARNER BROS. 15,061 -- -- 18 CYNDI LAUPER DETOUR RHINO 14,611 -- 13 19 RIHANNA ANTI WESTBURY ROAD/ROC NATION 12,640 -15% -- 20 MIKE POSNER AT NIGHT, ALONE. ISLAND 12,068 -- 18 21 THE LUMINEERS CLEOPATRA DUALTONE 10,212 -22% 11 22 PANIC! AT THE DISCO DEATH OF A BACHELOR DCD2/FUELED BY RAMEN 10,048 -38% -- 23 JAMES BLAKE THE COLOUR IN ANYTHING REPUBLIC 9,603 -- 6 24 ROB ZOMBIE THE ELECTRIC WARLOCK ACID WITCH SATANIC ORGY CELEBRATION DISPENSER UME 9,527 -73% 33 25 KEVIN GATES ISLAH BREAD WINNER'S ASSOCIATION 9,305 40% 21 26 TWENTY ONE PILOTS BLURRYFACE FUELED BY RAMEN 9,149 -8% 14 27 JOEY + RORY HYMNS GAITHER 8,882 -39% 48 28 ADELE 21 XL/COLUMBIA 8,435 59% 17 29 PRINCE HITNRUN PHASE TWO NPG 8,344 -37% 19 30 EMPIRE CAST EMPIRE: SEASON 2 VOL. 2 ORINGAL SOUNDTRACK COLUMBIA 7,889 -38% 34 31 LAUREN DAIGLE HOW CAN IT BE CENTRICITY 7,646 22% 37 32 MELANIE MARTINEZ CRY BABY WMG 7,111 17% 31 33 JUSTIN BIEBER PURPOSE RBMG/DEF JAM 7,047 -14% 27 34 PRINCE THE HITS/THE B-SIDES WARNER BROS. 6,978 -17% 24 35 STURGILL SIMPSON A SAILOR'S GUIDE TO EARTH WMG 6,903 -21% 15 36 MARTINA MCBRIDE RECKLESS NASH ICON 6,856 -52% 25 37 NOW 57 VARIOUS ARTISTS NOW/LEGACY 6,844 -21% -- 38 MARY CHAPIN CARPENTER THE THINGS THAT WE ARE MADE OF LAMBENT LIGHT 6,694 -- 29 39 SANTANA SANTANA IV SANTANA IV 6,467 -23% 28 40 DISTURBED IMMORTALIZED REPRISE 6,439 -23% 39 41 PRINCE AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY WARNER BROS. 6,429 10% 41 42 GWEN STEFANI THIS IS WHAT THE TRUTH FEELS LIKE INTERSCOPE 6,391 13% -- 43 GREGORY PORTER TAKE ME TO THE ALLEY BLUE NOTE 5,709 -- 40 44 CARRIE UNDERWOOD STORYTELLER 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 5,684 -1% 50 45 METALLICA METALLICA BLACKENED 5,619 7% 38 46 TAYLOR SWIFT 1989 BIG MACHINE 5,098 -14% 23 47 SAM HUNT MONTEVALLO MCA NASHVILLE 4,955 -46% 46 48 JORDAN SMITH SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL REPUBLIC 4,954 -8% -- 49 MEGHAN TRAINOR TITLE EPIC 4,836 35% 30 50 LUKE BRYAN KILL THE LIGHTS CAPITOL NASHVILLE 4,832 -42%
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Post by Nick on May 13, 2016 17:35:18 GMT -5
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1 1 DRAKE VIEWS YMCMB/REPUBLIC 306,302 -72%
2 2 BEYONCE LEMONADE COLUMBIA 220,860 -31% -- 3 RADIOHEAD A MOON SHAPED POOL XL 183,338 -- -- 4 KEITH URBAN RIPCORD CAPITOL NASHVILLE 106,077 -- -- 5 COLE SWINDELL YOU SHOULD BE HERE WARNER BROS. NASHVILLE 78,951 -- 3 6 PRINCE THE VERY BEST OF PRINCE WARNER BROS. 78,101 -22% 5 7 RIHANNA ANTI WESTBURY ROAD/ROC NATION 46,014 -8% 10 8 ADELE 25 XL/COLUMBIA 41,210 44% 4 9 PRINCE PURPLE RAIN WARNER BROS. 37,470 -37% 8 10 CHRIS STAPLETON TRAVELLER MERCURY NASHVILLE 29,430 -7% 9 11 JUSTIN BIEBER PURPOSE RBMG/DEF JAM 27,848 -8% 12 12 HAMILTON ORIGINAL BROADWAY CAST UPTOWN 26,804 2% 11 13 TWENTY ONE PILOTS BLURRYFACE FUELED BY RAMEN 25,145 -5% -- 14 MIKE POSNER AT NIGHT, ALONE. ISLAND 25,113 -- 13 15 KANYE WEST THE LIFE OF deleted G.O.O.D/DEF JAM 23,967 -7% 16 16 KEVIN GATES ISLAH BREAD WINNER'S ASSOCIATION 23,907 9% -- 17 PRINCE ULTIMATE WARNER BROS. 23,892 503% 6 18 NOW 58 VARIOUS ARTISTS NOW 23,423 -39% 15 19 PRINCE 1999 WARNER BROS. 21,488 -4% -- 20 ANDY BLACK THE SHADOW SIDE REPUBLIC 21,331 -- 18 21 BRYSON TILLER T R A P S O U L RCA 19,281 -10% 17 22 LUKAS GRAHAM LUKAS GRAHAM WARNER BROS. 19,214 -11% -- 23 RITTZ TOP OF THE LINE STRANGE MUSIC 18,550 -- 25 24 THE WEEKND BEAUTY BEHIND THE MADNESS XO/REPUBLIC 17,638 -6% 22 25 G-EAZY WHEN IT'S DARK OUT RCA 17,080 -13% -- 26 GOO GOO DOLLS BOXES WARNER BROS. 16,623 -- 20 27 THE LUMINEERS CLEOPATRA DUALTONE 16,456 -18% 37 28 MELANIE MARTINEZ CRY BABY WMG 15,917 7% 26 29 ZAYN MIND OF MINE RCA 15,646 -14% -- 30 JAMES BLAKE THE COLOUR IN ANYTHING REPUBLIC 15,261 -- -- 31 CYNDI LAUPER DETOUR RHINO 15,166 -- 29 32 FUTURE EVOL EPIC 14,694 -9% 14 33 PANIC! AT THE DISCO DEATH OF A BACHELOR DCD2/FUELED BY RAMEN 14,647 -35% 19 34 DRAKE & FUTURE WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE YMCMB/REPUBLIC/EPIC 14,551 -31% 24 35 SAM HUNT MONTEVALLO MCA NASHVILLE 13,806 -28% 30 36 THOMAS RHETT TANGLED UP VALORY/BMLG 13,538 -15% -- 37 ADELE 21 XL/COLUMBIA 12,859 41% 46 38 JAMES BAY CHAOS & THE CALM REPUBLIC 12,822 14% 28 39 FETTY WAP FETTY WAP WMG 12,773 -24% 33 40 DISTURBED IMMORTALIZED REPRISE 12,469 -18% 27 41 DRAKE IF YOU'RE READING THIS, IT'S TOO LATE YMCMB/REPUBLIC 12,202 -30% 41 42 FUTURE DS2 EPIC 12,194 -6% 43 43 J. COLE 2014 FOREST HILLS DRIVE ROC NATION/COLUMBIA 11,837 -7% 32 44 LUKE BRYAN KILL THE LIGHTS CAPITOL NASHVILLE 11,522 -26% 45 45 FLO RIDA MY HOUSE WMG 10,751 -6% 42 46 HALSEY BADLANDS ASTRALWERKS/CAPITOL 10,522 -18% 44 47 TAYLOR SWIFT 1989 BIG MACHINE 10,488 -13% -- 48 LAUREN DAIGLE HOW CAN IT BE CENTRICITY 10,414 21% 49 49 JEREMIH LATE NIGHTS: THE ALBUM DEF JAM 10,323 -7% -- 50 MEGHAN TRAINOR TITLE EPIC 10,285 12%
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2016 17:39:17 GMT -5
I'm assuming some of those Prince albums increased because of physical product finally being available?
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Post by felipe on May 13, 2016 21:57:41 GMT -5
I don't get how Drake manages to pull this big figures. Most of his songs don't seem to have a broad appeal, and he never had a lot of hits, and yet he continues to sell huge. He's had 4 Hot 100 top 10 hits and yet he's had 6 #1 albums. That's not ver common, is it? Genre hits/artists can sell albums, for one. There are plenty of hip-hop and country artists with top 10 and #1 albums but no top 10s on the Hot 100. Regardless I don't know where you got that he only has 4 top 10 hits. Even if you only look at singles from his albums, he has more than 4: Oh, I definiitely got that number wrong, guess I was looking at the wrong collumn lol And I know that genre artists can pull nice number without crossover hits, and that some country singers have a loyal fanbase and sell consistently, but not 1 million albums in a week. That kind of number usually takes someone that appeals to different demographics and have big hits (Adele, Lady Gaga, Eminem, etc). And yet, to me (who does not live in the US, so I might be wrong there) most of Drake's singles seem targeted at hip-hop/rap radio only, and that does not sell 1 million in a week. It feels like I'm missing something here. By the way, do you guys know how popular Drake is outside of North America?
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Post by jenglisbe on May 13, 2016 22:21:10 GMT -5
And yet, to me (who does not live in the US, so I might be wrong there) most of Drake's singles seem targeted at hip-hop/rap radio only, and that does not sell 1 million in a week. It feels like I'm missing something here. He was coming off "Hotline Bling" which was a huge hit (and is a bonus track on Views). And if you look at his sales in general, he's been building momentum. His last solo studio album sold 658k in its first week (pre-SPS) and ended up featuring a huge crossover hit in "Hold On, We're Going Home." His mixtape (!) If You're Reading This... then sold 495k in only 3 days and broke Spotify records. When you then add in "Hotline Bling" (among other things) helping further his momentum and then him having the single "One Dance" exploding when the album dropped, his huge debut shouldn't be a surprise. Plus as we can see from the sales drop in week 2, his sales are very front-loaded. That's pretty common among hip-hop acts as well.
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Post by aser94 on May 13, 2016 23:16:19 GMT -5
I find it's misguided to think that, because urban acts don't often get played on pop radio anymore, their reach and their ability to transcend their core audiences is limited. Urban acts find other ways to reach the masses, e.g. through social media and YouTube, and these days, through Vine. Drake broke out when I was in high school, and even then, there were already suburban white kids in my school blasting "Best I Ever Had", and clearly his reach has only grown. You really shouldn't underestimate the popularity of hip-hop among multiple demos, especially that of its big stars. Pop radio play is often not the end-all-be-all.
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Post by Enigma. on May 14, 2016 5:37:32 GMT -5
Wow at Beyonce! Wonder if Lemonade will end up with actually bigger numbers in total than its predecessor
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Post by R.K. on May 14, 2016 6:47:06 GMT -5
And yet, to me (who does not live in the US That explains it then, because Drake's been one of the biggest male acts (if not THE biggest) in the states for a couple of years now. And not just to the Urban audience, he is probably one of the biggest crossover male artists in the past 10 years. Even if that doesn't reflect through radio numbers, it certain does culturally. He's huge in the UK as well.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 14, 2016 7:34:20 GMT -5
If the rankings hold for Album Sales, or close to it, Cyndi Lauper will land her first top 20-selling album since 1986- and, if it tops the No. 26 position Memphis Blues reached (No. 26), her highest sales position since that time.
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Post by felipe on May 14, 2016 8:20:25 GMT -5
And yet, to me (who does not live in the US That explains it then, because Drake's been one of the biggest male acts (if not THE biggest) in the states for a couple of years now. And not just to the Urban audience, he is probably one of the biggest crossover male artists in the past 10 years. Even if that doesn't reflect through radio numbers, it certain does culturally. He's huge in the UK as well. So he's huge in the US among several different demographics, and not just urban? But most of his singles are targeted towards urban audiences, right? It's tricky for me trying to understand his popularity. I'm from Brazil and most people here didn't even know Drake before the Hotline Bling parodies went viral.
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Post by Future Captain on May 14, 2016 9:43:40 GMT -5
That explains it then, because Drake's been one of the biggest male acts (if not THE biggest) in the states for a couple of years now. And not just to the Urban audience, he is probably one of the biggest crossover male artists in the past 10 years. Even if that doesn't reflect through radio numbers, it certain does culturally. He's huge in the UK as well. So he's huge in the US among several different demographics, and not just urban? But most of his singles are targeted towards urban audiences, right? It's tricky for me trying to understand his popularity. I'm from Brazil and most people here didn't even know Drake before the Hotline Bling parodies went viral. Outside North America (and UK, I guess) I think Drake has only really been well known since Hotline Bling. He then got even more well known with his feature on Rih's Work. Before that, I'm drawing blanks on Drake's popularity in Asia (Where I live). On how he could be so big across demographics and also such a pop culture phenomenon, I think it have something to do with him being basically a meme lord. The YOLO things, Started From The Bottom, Hotline Bling, and the various stock photos of him turned into a meme, he himself is basically a living meme as of late. Dare I say, he's the only male artist right now that could command as much hype and media attention compared to his female contemporaries (Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Adele, and maybe Rihanna).
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:34:09 GMT -5
Drake's level of success is owed to multiple factors coming together: - He was on Degrassi, so he was actually known among certain other audiences before he was known as an urban act, and the juxtaposition between his former and current art forms kept people interested. - He first got his breakthrough in 2009, right before CHR swept almost all urban music out the door, so it wasn't as much of an uphill battle to build a presence there. - Hotline Bling video aside, his timing for his crossover singles is always on point; he releases them early in their respective eras so pop audiences are aware of the album before or right after it comes out. (On a related note, the sharp drop off in sales after is possibly attributable to the fact that he typically only has one crossover hit per album, thus somewhat capping his max sales potential among pop fans.) If You're Reading This, It's Too Late is the only 'era' where he didn't really have a crossover song on there, but the Energy video kind of makes up for that. - Speaking of videos: visuals! Hip-hop videos are usually dull as dishwater, but Drake puts more effort in his than most pop stars. - The meme factor that Future Captain mentioned is definitely a BIG part of it - in this generation I am not sure there is any higher form of celebrity than being a meme staple, really. What is really amazing here is that Drake, who seems to be very self-aware in this regard, keeps his memeability up to date - every time a new project rolls around he's doing or saying something else to start a new meme - yet none of his old ones seem to reach a point of diminishing returns. You could make a Wheelchair Jimmy joke right now and people will still chuckle. - He has a natural 'star' personality, which would probably help even on its own but combined with his meme-shapeshifter quality on he's pretty much a master of celebrity status. - He stays involved in just enough petty drama to be interesting to gossip folk, but not so much that he comes off like a bad guy or loose cannon for it. - He actually does mainstream promotion (SNL, Ellen, the late night shows, etc.), which many urban acts either could never attain or don't bother trying to get.
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Post by felipe on May 14, 2016 21:46:43 GMT -5
Thanks, cynthia rose. What you said makes a lot of sense.
What about critical response to him in the US? Is he as acclaimed as the likes of Kanye West or Kendrick Lamar?
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Post by aser94 on May 15, 2016 0:50:09 GMT -5
Thanks, cynthia rose. What you said makes a lot of sense. What about critical response to him in the US? Is he as acclaimed as the likes of Kanye West or Kendrick Lamar? He is— Take Care and Nothing Was the Same were both well received but Views has been seen as kind of a step down. His critical peak has definitely been TC though, and you'll see it in many best-of lists at the end of the decade. It's hard to overstate its influence on '10s rap and R&B I think.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on May 15, 2016 3:31:23 GMT -5
Thanks, cynthia rose. What you said makes a lot of sense. What about critical response to him in the US? Is he as acclaimed as the likes of Kanye West or Kendrick Lamar? He is— Take Care and Nothing Was the Same were both well received but Views has been seen as kind of a step down. His critical peak has definitely been TC though, and you'll see it in many best-of lists at the end of the decade. It's hard to understate its influence on '10s rap and R&B I think. Yup Take Care is definitely my favourite drake album. He generally gets good reviews (75-79 on metacritic) but nothing in the Kanye/Kendrick realm.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 3:54:43 GMT -5
Thanks, cynthia rose. What you said makes a lot of sense. What about critical response to him in the US? Is he as acclaimed as the likes of Kanye West or Kendrick Lamar? Hmm. That depends on how you look at it. I think Drake is consistently regarded as good but not on Kendrick's level as a pure lyricist. Kendrick is pretty much universally acclaimed in this regard, to the point that he's almost peerless. However, people recognize Drake for his omnipresence - somehow, without ever reaching the point of feeling overexposed - and ability to be commercially appealing without sacrificing his persona or dumbing down his flow (i.e. no one considers him a sellout or a fake). Kanye, meanwhile was never rated highly for his lyrics even in his prime (and in fact there have always been strong rumors that he relies on ghostwriters), but he is a production genius and knows how to build a hit. In several ways, the three are almost not comparable because they all play to very different strengths. It would sort of be like asking if Taylor Swift is as acclaimed as Lady Gaga and Beyonce - three very different people with three very different styles, but when it comes down to it they all command the same level of respect.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 15, 2016 9:04:13 GMT -5
^Drake has enjoyed acclaim, but not quite as much as Kanye West. But he's obviously resonated with the young generation in a large way.
As for the ladies, Queen B. enjoys a but more acclaim than the other two. As an overall performer, she probably generates more excitement than them, as well.
Did Prince's albums rise following physical restocks?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 14:47:51 GMT -5
^Drake has enjoyed acclaim, but not quite as much as Kanye West. But he's obviously resonated with the young generation in a large way. As for the ladies, Queen B. enjoys a but more acclaim than the other two. As an overall performer, she probably generates more excitement than them, as well. Did Prince's albums rise following physical restocks? I should say, I didn't mean to imply that Kanye isn't acclaimed (peak Kanye might be even more acclaimed than Kendrick), just that his acclaim isn't for his mic skills. Even more so than his lyrics, people have been quick to point out that he doesn't have the greatest flow. But Kanye's ear for the actual music is incomparable, enough that I take it as an inaccurate insult when people try to pan him for his heavy use of sampling or not knowing how to play an instrument. As for the ladies, I just picked three huge stars who are different from each other as another example of how hard it is to compare people who sell themselves in different ways. Even apples to apples comparisons are hard sometimes when you're putting a McIntosh up against a Gala and a Granny smith. Re: Prince, I don't know, but I had assumed it was restocks because there isn't anything else that happened last week that would cause another spike in sales. Whatever the reason, it is impressive that he's still hanging out in the top 10/20.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 15, 2016 14:50:17 GMT -5
Thanks, cynthia rose. What you said makes a lot of sense. What about critical response to him in the US? Is he as acclaimed as the likes of Kanye West or Kendrick Lamar? He is— Take Care and Nothing Was the Same were both well received but Views has been seen as kind of a step down. His critical peak has definitely been TC though, and you'll see it in many best-of lists at the end of the decade. It's hard to overstate its influence on '10s rap and R&B I think. Drake has a few singles that have been acclaimed and he's by no means disliked by critics, but Kanye and Kendrick are certainly more highly regarded by critics than Drake. Kanye and Kendrick have each had multiple albums in the top 2-3 best reviewed for their respective years. Drake hasn't had one in the top 10.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 15, 2016 14:50:28 GMT -5
21 still charting in the Top 50
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Post by felipe on May 16, 2016 7:59:46 GMT -5
Drake has a few singles that have been acclaimed and he's by no means disliked by critics, but Kanye and Kendrick are certainly more highly regarded by critics than Drake. Kanye and Kendrick have each had multiple albums in the top 2-3 best reviewed for their respective years. Drake hasn't had one in the top 10. That's very interesting. I actually didn't know about it.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 16, 2016 8:05:51 GMT -5
Drake has a few singles that have been acclaimed and he's by no means disliked by critics, but Kanye and Kendrick are certainly more highly regarded by critics than Drake. Kanye and Kendrick have each had multiple albums in the top 2-3 best reviewed for their respective years. Drake hasn't had one in the top 10. That's very interesting. I actually didn't know about it. Using Acclaimed Music which gathers year-end critic lists, here are their yearly rankings for solo studio albums: Kanye WestThe College Dropout #3 of 2004 Late Registration #4 of 2005 Graduation #15 of 2007 808s & Heartbreaker #11 of 2008 My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy #1 of 2010 Yeezus #3 of 2013 Kendrick Lamargood kid, m.A.A.d. city #2 of 2012 To Pimp a Butterfly #1 of 2015 DrakeThank Me Later #42 of 2014 Take Care #12 of 2011 Nothing Was the Same #40 of 2013
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