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Post by Enigma. on Nov 20, 2016 5:05:10 GMT -5
First single hitting number one after the second one. I'm talking about "Only Girl" and "What's My Name". That happened with Outkast too (Hey Ya, The Way You Move) |
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Post by jarhys on Nov 20, 2016 8:26:18 GMT -5
A song can survive the 25/52 rule. Uptown Funk!
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Post by orangebanana49 on Nov 20, 2016 8:34:20 GMT -5
What is the 25/52 rule?
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Post by Zach on Nov 20, 2016 9:08:42 GMT -5
Recurrent rule. Songs outside the top 25 without a bullet go recurrent after 52 charting weeks. Uptown Funk was lucky to have managed to avoid this for a week after the implementation of the rule. |
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Post by atg on Nov 20, 2016 9:31:30 GMT -5
A record that stood for years - the 27-1 jump by the Beatles into #1 that has since been topped many many times thanks to the way the chart works now. The record is now 97-1. That isn't going to get beat until the Hot 100 carries more than 100 titles. Or someone goes from 98-100 to 1 |
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Post by atg on Nov 20, 2016 10:38:09 GMT -5
Recurrent rule. Songs outside the top 25 without a bullet go recurrent after 52 charting weeks. Uptown Funk was lucky to have managed to avoid this for a week after the implementation of the rule. Uptown Funk rejected that rule by going up to 24 the week it happened lol |
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Post by jarhys on Nov 21, 2016 7:23:58 GMT -5
Recurrent rule. Songs outside the top 25 without a bullet go recurrent after 52 charting weeks. Uptown Funk was lucky to have managed to avoid this for a week after the implementation of the rule. Uptown Funk rejected that rule by going up to 24 the week it happened lol It was also able to return inside the top 25. I don't think there will ever be a song can do that--survive the 25/52 rule and return after going recurrent with the 25/52 rule. |
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Post by Gary on Nov 21, 2016 8:01:21 GMT -5
A record that stood for years - the 27-1 jump by the Beatles into #1 that has since been topped many many times thanks to the way the chart works now. The record is now 97-1. That isn't going to get beat until the Hot 100 carries more than 100 titles. Or someone goes from 98-100 to 1 Before streaming came along I would agree with you. Now I would say that this is impossible. The 97-1 record is quite safe. |
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Post by marcuz on Nov 21, 2016 13:52:25 GMT -5
A song can survive the 25/52 rule. Uptown Funk! Cheap Thrills and DLMD's hypothetical 53rd week will coincide with the Grammy's tracking week next year. If one of them won a major award and/or is performed, can survive that rule. I think the former is looking likely. |
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Post by nick64 on Nov 21, 2016 16:49:04 GMT -5
What about an artist having 3 songs in top 20 year end? Usher did it twice - 1998 and 2004 50 Cent - 2005 Akon & Fergie - 2007 Chris Brown - 2008 Flo Rida - 2012 The Weeknd & Taylor Swift - 2015 50 Cent was close to having one in 2003 too but PIMP was 21. (may have forgotten some) Mariah Carey may have done it too some years, Idk Will we ever end up seeing an artist have 3 songs(not features) in Year End top 20 in Future Years? or no What do you all think? That's almost definitely going to happen again. First of all, you listed so many examples it's not uncommon. Second, Rihanna is predicted to do it this year with "Work" at #4, "Needed Me" at #13, and "This Is What You Came For" at #17, and Twenty One Pilots are really close with "Stressed Out" at #6, "Ride" at #20, and "Heathens" at #21 (all per georgetherunner's prediction). And with streaming, I think it becomes even more likely. |
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Post by Au$tin on Nov 21, 2016 22:03:52 GMT -5
A song can survive the 25/52 rule. Uptown Funk! Cheap Thrills and DLMD's hypothetical 53rd week will coincide with the Grammy's tracking week next year. If one of them won a major award and/or is performed, can survive that rule. I think the former is looking likely. Not at all. Streaming is like the new digital sales, and the 97-1 record is due to the golden era of digital sales, and it can easily happen again. A new song from a massive artist is released on a Friday. The amount of airplay it gets from Friday-Sunday sets it up for a #100 debut. Sales and streaming aren't eligible for that week. The next week, it's extreme sales and streaming send it to #1. Boom, record is broken. Which is exactly how it happened with Kelly. The only difference is the absence of streaming. We've already had a few instances where we've come close to this: Hello, Can't Stop the Feeling, What Do You Mean. All those three needed was a slightly higher airplay total at the beginning and they could've broken it. It is definitely harder given that streaming isn't as immediate as digital sales, but it definitely can be in the right instances. |
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Post by theinanimatefight on Nov 26, 2016 2:02:39 GMT -5
Isn't he #1 right now with Sia on Cheap Thrills? I meant after Cheap Thrills Now that Clean Bandit's "Rockabye" featuring Sean Paul is #1 in the UK and doing pretty well worldwide there's a minuscule chance it might hit #1 on Billboard. It probably won't, but there's a small chance. |
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Post by atg on Nov 26, 2016 23:28:54 GMT -5
Now that Clean Bandit's "Rockabye" featuring Sean Paul is #1 in the UK and doing pretty well worldwide there's a minuscule chance it might hit #1 on Billboard. It probably won't, but there's a small chance. Clean Bandit needs another hit stat |
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Post by Harx on Nov 27, 2016 5:51:26 GMT -5
Would it still count if the record of the biggest jump to #1 was beaten by a song not from the very bottom of the Hot 100, but from the bubbling under?
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Post by Zach on Nov 27, 2016 7:12:09 GMT -5
Would it still count if the record of the biggest jump to #1 was beaten by a song not from the very bottom of the Hot 100, but from the bubbling under? Nope. And that's happened many times before with songs hitting Bubbling Under on their first few days of airplay (given the differing tracking week for airplay) and then debuting in the upper reaches of the chart (even #1) the following chart. |
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Post by WolfSpear on Nov 28, 2016 13:28:45 GMT -5
A song topping Digital Songs and failing to appear on the Hot 100.
That won't happen again thanks to the Whitney rule (allowing recurrents to re-enter within the top 50).
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Post by Gary on Nov 28, 2016 13:31:13 GMT -5
A song topping Digital Songs and failing to appear on the Hot 100. That won't happen again thanks to the Whitney rule (allowing recurrents to re-enter within the top 50). Not necessarily. Digital sales are on a steep decline. Streaming is rapidly increasing. If that continues, You could be #1 on sales and come nowhere near the Hot 100. (Physical sales have been that way for years) |
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Post by Gary on Nov 28, 2016 13:32:25 GMT -5
Would it still count if the record of the biggest jump to #1 was beaten by a song not from the very bottom of the Hot 100, but from the bubbling under? Nope. And that's happened many times before with songs hitting Bubbling Under on their first few days of airplay (given the differing tracking week for airplay) and then debuting in the upper reaches of the chart (even #1) the following chart. Yes, so technically the 97-1 record has already been broken a few times, if you look at the Hot 100 and BU as a 125 position chart and not two separate charts. |
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Post by 85la on Nov 29, 2016 0:22:23 GMT -5
^ But they are separate charts, so it is not possible to make a larger jump than 100-1 on The Billboard Hot 100, given that it is only 100 positions long. This seems like a silly point to argue.
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Post by House Lannister on Nov 29, 2016 16:11:23 GMT -5
I do believe the Beatles's record will stand forever, thank you very much. I don't see a rock and/or country song topping the charts again. I agree with you on country, but twenty one pilots could hit potentially number one if they release another single from blurryface (HEAVYDIRTYSOUL PLEASE!), or they release an album next year. They could prove me wrong with the right song. |
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Post by Gary on Nov 29, 2016 16:16:29 GMT -5
^ But they are separate charts, so it is not possible to make a larger jump than 100-1 on The Billboard Hot 100, given that it is only 100 positions long. This seems like a silly point to argue. I understand that, they are separate charts but "Bubbling Under" actually represents #101-#125 in overall popularity. So if you go from #10 on Bubbling Under straight to #1 on the Hot 100 the next week, you just jumped from being #110 in overall popularity to #1 in one week, no? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 16:17:00 GMT -5
Real McCoy - Another Night - 11 weeks at number 3 without hitting 2 or 1 will never be broken.
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Post by 85la on Nov 30, 2016 0:40:02 GMT -5
^ But they are separate charts, so it is not possible to make a larger jump than 100-1 on The Billboard Hot 100, given that it is only 100 positions long. This seems like a silly point to argue. I understand that, they are separate charts but "Bubbling Under" actually represents #101-#125 in overall popularity. So if you go from #10 on Bubbling Under straight to #1 on the Hot 100 the next week, you just jumped from being #110 in overall popularity to #1 in one week, no? By that logic then, you could argue that a song with a points total that is #900 in overall popularity one week and jumps to #1 the next would make an 899 position jump...... |
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Post by Gary on Nov 30, 2016 0:59:34 GMT -5
I understand that, they are separate charts but "Bubbling Under" actually represents #101-#125 in overall popularity. So if you go from #10 on Bubbling Under straight to #1 on the Hot 100 the next week, you just jumped from being #110 in overall popularity to #1 in one week, no? By that logic then, you could argue that a song with a points total that is #900 in overall popularity one week and jumps to #1 the next would make an 899 position jump...... Ok but we don't know what that is. We know however what #110 is each week. Or perhaps I should back up. You do know that bubbling under means 101-125 right? In other words, Something that moves from #25 on BU to #1 on the hot 100 jump 124 spots in popularity. Did it move 124 spots on the Hot 100 in this example? No of course not. The fact that they print those in two charts doesn't change my point. But anyway, Before this becomes a long drawn out semantics argument. I vote to just leave it at that. Yes you are right the hot 100 has just 100 spots. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Oct 19, 2020 9:49:09 GMT -5
No artist originating from Active Rock will ever reach the top 40 again.No Korean artist will ever return to the top 40. The One Sweet Day record will never be broken. I can't see any artist ever having a Mark Ronson-like chart history (one 10+ week #1 hit without ever returning to the hot 100) The Soko drop #1 in two separate runs a la The Twist If you only knew the developments over these past couple of years... :kii: Also, I don't know if it counts, but Ozzy Osbourne did debut in the top 10 thanks to "Take What You Want". Also who knows what the current revival for "Dreams" might bring? |
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Post by thelegends on Oct 19, 2020 9:56:07 GMT -5
A song can survive the 25/52 rule. Uptown Funk! I come from the future to prove you wrong. Circles by Post Malone and Someone You Loved by Lewis Capaldi have done the feat. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Oct 19, 2020 9:58:23 GMT -5
thelegends Don't forget "Shape Of You", "Perfect", and "Sunflower" 😉 Poor thing will be in a state of bewilderment once he finds the "White Iverson" guy managed to crack the code for chart longevity, and made timeless classics in the process.
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Post by jodakyellow on Oct 19, 2020 12:12:02 GMT -5
The genre-based predictions are baffling to me... Things come in and out of style unexpectedly all the time... Did anyone really foresee the Latin boom of the mid-2010s that gave us "Despacito"'s success? We could easily have another country or rock boom.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Oct 20, 2020 0:23:59 GMT -5
"#1s falling from the top spot out of the top 10" also happened a handful of times this year. A couple of those never returned to the top 10 either.
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Post by emperortigerstar on Oct 20, 2020 1:25:14 GMT -5
“Unbeatable records” mentioned in this thread that have since been beaten as of October 20, 2020:
1. Chart runs that are well over 52 weeks, unless the rule is modified (Aug 9, 2016)
I suppose it depends on the definition of “well over” but Post Malone’s Circles is at 58 weeks (probably 59 once today’s charts come out) and is still in the top 40. So I’d count it.
2. No artist originating from Active Rock will ever reach the top 40 again. (Aug 10, 2016)
Take What You Want by Post Malone featuring Ozzy Osbourne and Travis Scott hit number 8 in 2019.
3. No Korean artist will ever return to the top 40. (Aug 10, 2016)
Well, BTS exists, so…yeah this one’s definitely broken.
4. The One Sweet Day record will never be broken. (Aug 10, 2016)
Old Town Road beat it in 2019.
5. A drop off the Hot 100 larger than from #9 (Aug 10, 2016)
Prince did it with his two recurring hits before this post. But also, it’s since been done by several holiday songs as well: All I Want for Christmas Is You (from 1), Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree (2), Jingle Bell Rock (3), Holly Jolly Christmas (4), and It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year (7).
6. A Christmas song charting number 1 on the Hot 100 (Aug 10, 2016)
All I Want for Christmas is You hit number one in 2019.
7. Taylor Swift will never have another number one as a lead artist. (Aug 12, 2016)
Look What You Made Me Do hit number one in 2017. Cardigan also did in 2020.
8. What about an artist having 3 songs in top 20 year end? (Aug 12, 2016)
Drake and Post Malone did in 2018. Khalid also did in 2019.
9. First single hitting number one after the second one. I'm talking about "Only Girl" and "What's My Name". (Nov 20, 2016)
The Weeknd did it with The Hills and Can’t Feel My Face in 2015. Released in that order, went number one in the opposite order.
10. A song topping Digital Songs and failing to appear on the Hot 100. (Nov 28, 2016)
Apr 4, 2020 – Kenny Rogers’ The Gambler was number one on the digital song sales, didn’t re-enter the charts.
Apr 18, 2020 – Lean on Me by Bill Withers did the same.
Jul 18, 2020 – Lee Grenwood’s God Bless the USA did the same.
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