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Post by Normi on Jan 12, 2018 17:05:57 GMT -5
1. 'Consequences' (also the highest charting album gtrack on iTunes yaay) 2. 'Into It' (mix of Carly Rae Jepsen and Tove Lo omg yaaas) 3. 'All These Years# (slaay) I LOVE THIS ALBUM
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Post by switch on Jan 12, 2018 17:45:37 GMT -5
I actually like this! I actually think it's a smart move for her to have a more subdued first album and then come swinging on her second and third. I like that, for a 'debut' pop album, it relies more heavily on the lyrical content than riding on production strength -- it'll give her more artistic integrity.
Also, kudos for her sticking to her guns and pushing a positive message this last year. Who knew taking the high road would land you on top? You deserve it, Karla.
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Post by Keelzit on Jan 12, 2018 19:05:36 GMT -5
I have very mixed feelings about the album because I somehow had super high expectations. It's not bad but also not memorable at all. The best songs are the ones we had already heard with Into It being another cute bop but that's pretty much it. The ballads are boring but I can appreciate the lyrical content. I expected a concept album by the way she was describing it and we ended up getting a cute lil album with cute bops. It's totally understandable though because what is important for her right now is to get a couple more hits to fully establish herself but still, the only song with big hit potential is Real Friends.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 12, 2018 19:22:55 GMT -5
In my opinion, anonymity is NOT what one needs to establish a solo career. When JT left NSYNC, his music was a little weird, interesting, provocative, etc. He instantly made a name for himself. Same goes for ZAYN. Camile needed to come out SWINGING. Both Havana and OMG delivered in spades, but why would she (or her fans) settle for MOR pablum. I will listen to this in full but I was prepared to run to Target to buy this based on what I had heard and now I am going to have to settle for a curiosity listen. If nothing grabs me the way her pre-release and Never Be The Same did, I will have to wait to see what Normandy comes up with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 20:08:34 GMT -5
Positions of all her songs on iTunes atm Time to give the whole album a re-listen now
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Post by Rural Juror on Jan 12, 2018 20:38:35 GMT -5
The fact that she stuck to her guns and didn't go for the predictable (and easier) route in making a bop-tastic record speaks volumes to me that that's not really the type of artist that she sees herself. There are already a lot of other female pop artists out there who fill that musical space and are doing it well, so I appreciate that she went in another completely different direction to stand out.
I have only listened to the album twice so far and I like it. A LOT. With repeated listens, I can definitely see myself putting this as my album of 2018 (unless Sara Bareilles releases an album this year). It's a strong debut and you could tell that she has her hands all over this record. The lyrics...my goodness. When I first listened to Consequences, I couldn't help but think "Camila, who hurt you?!?!" Something's Gotta Give is another highlight. I have to go back and mention the lyrics once again. I can't believe a 20-year old has this much lyrical depth. So impressive.
Anyway, I'm so excited for her and all the success that I'm sure will be coming her way. Havana needs to nab that #1 spot on the Hot 100, though. That would be the icing on the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 20:45:45 GMT -5
Finished my 2nd re-listen now I honestly really enjoyed the album She focuses on songwriting very well, nothing feels overblown or over dramatic, pacing is great, and there is a level of simplicity & consistency that imo just makes it a +1 I enjoyed every song on the record and added them to my daily playlist, which means all of them will make power rotation on my phone as of now. After NBTS, the follow ups I'd love to see is maybe Into It in early Spring, followed by either She Loves Control/Inside Out in mid Summer, and maybe close off the era with In The Dark I can see why OMG & CITC didn't make the cut, still puzzled by IHQ not making it IHQ fits very well in the context of the emotional side of the album. I am rooting for her real hard right now, I love her and all her output since CITC
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Post by deepston on Jan 12, 2018 20:58:46 GMT -5
I'm seriously impressed with the lyrics on this record.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 12, 2018 21:12:31 GMT -5
Live Hot Take: Since I am not a Karla stan, I will not ignore the army of writers involved in each of these songs and just say...she collaborates well. I do think the writing is the best part about this album, which is not what I was expecting to say, so there's that.
Keep her on that Latin kick and release She Loves Control. It's not THAT memorable (lbh) but once the weather heats up, this should do some damage. Ultimately, I will feel the same way about this as I felt about Rihanna's first two albums. Let's see if she can manage to capture the world even 1/1000th as much as Riri did, though. Jury is definitely out, but I am not going to write her off because she gave me my ultimate jams OMG and Havana and that live version of Never Be The Same on late night TV.
Btw, still geeking out over the inclusion of Young Thug on Havana and the way they nail that choreo during his part. Speaking of iconic videos...oh wait, wrong thread, but you get my point. Oh...and one last thing about Havana, this could have easily have been a 2:45 song or wrapped up shortly after Jefffffrey's verse. I didn't realize how much the song DRAGGED. I almost skipped to Consequences, which would have been...a mistake. She doesn't have the voice for this kind of song. Also, this song could have gone on her original album The Loving. The Bleeding The Fall or whatever. Oh shit...I just realized that Apple Music skipped Inside Out, when I was about to skip Consequences LOL. The SHADE. I don't need this dolphin cry in Consequences, either. A- on the writing. For a modern day pop song, it's a damn near lyrical masterpiece.
Inside Out is CORNY AF but I started popping my pecs and rotating my shoulders so it's a passable bop. Back to that Music Of The Sun, Rihanna era. I dig...at least for the first minute and a half. After that...over it, so maybe it should have made an interlude or something.
They were smart to keep this short, but as short as it is, I felt I was forcing myself to listen to it in full and I'm not even doing a professional review for it, LOL. Going from Real Friends to Something's Gotta Give was tragic. Holy drop in quality in that home stretch, Batman! In The Dark is legit HORRIBLE. It sounds cheap, disjointed, hokey. I can't believe she recorded it. The rest of the album may be basic, but this is just rotten. Full disclosure: I'm high AF and that's when even the most basic can seep into my brain and make me at least smile. The fact that I was legit frowning throughout this and sneering by the end says a lot.
As for Into It...well...sorry, sis, but Carly Rae did it better and will continue to do it better. Not only is this a blatant swagger jack of Queen Carly, it is vastly inferior. Because it reminded me of Carly, I could keep it on and nod to it, though. It legit made me want to go play Carly though, so get that promo, Queen! Song is a keeper though, overall, especially compared to the two clunkers before it.
Glad I didn't pay for this, but I might return to a couple tracks, thanks to Apple Music:
1. Havana 2. Real Friends 3. Never Be The Same 4. Into It 5. She Loves Control
Next singles: 3. Real Friends (I'll be SO pissed if it doesn't get single treatment because it was given away as promo...best song on the album by a country mile after Havana) 4. She Loves Control
If she gets 4 singles out of this, that is more than enough and she can focus on slaying her sophomore. I believe in her.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Jan 13, 2018 0:28:00 GMT -5
Here's my review.
Never Be the Same - a really good album opener All These Years - smooth and summery She Loves Control - a well-crafted Tropical Pop midtempo begging for Cardi B on a remix; this should be a single Havana - fun, sexy, groovy; I do wish that a special version using both of Camila's verses from the solo version plus the Young Thug rap verse had been made for the album Inside Out - fun Reggae-tinged song Consequences - beautiful, heartfelt ballad that should have been the album closer Real Friends - great, relatable song Something's Gotta Give - another gorgeous ballad that could be a single; feels like it could be on a movie soundtrack In the Dark - another great dark midtempo Into It - a fun Dance/Pop song; I totally hear the CRJ similarities Never Be the Same (Radio Edit) - I understand the need for a cleaner version for radio but including it in addition to the original version is a bit overkill especially when the album is already so short
Overall, I enjoyed the album, however I felt that the sequencing is not quite right. The ballads could have been at the end. The ebb and flow of it from uptempo to midtempo to downtempo and then back up again just doesn't work as well as it could. While I didn't dislike any of the songs, there isn't a lot of variety. It's understandable that there won't be certain types of songs of other genres because those may stick out like a sore thumb with the others but there could have been more. Perhaps those songs not included in the album due to her choosing songs she thought fit her better may have been like that. Though not knowing what some of those songs sound like, I don't know if those actually would have. Sonically it is cohesive though some of them feel a little too similar. They have enough identity as their own songs, but not nearly enough.
"Inside Out", "She Loves Control", "Something's Gotta Give", and "In The Dark" are the only ones that really jump out as potential singles. Let's see how far they'll actually go in terms of singles. I could see at least 2 more for sure based on the current success of NBTS.
The mastering on the album is really bad. Her vocals are too loud on some songs and there are issues with the levels on the instrumentals. The mix is really muddy. "Havana" and "Never Be The Same" are the only ones that sound fine. The songs scrapped from the album "I Have Questions", "Crying In The Club", and "OMG" also sound fine. Perhaps other people mastered those.
As a showcase to get things rolling for her, this is good. Perhaps the plans are to have a new album with bigger names really soon (though I could see her choosing to work with less well-known people like she did with this on and just do a collaboration here and there). Or release some of the material that was not used for this album. The album feels more like an EP than an actual album.
I do think that "I Have Questions", "Crying In The Club", and "OMG" should have been included as bonus tracks just because they were associated with the album era.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 13, 2018 1:20:00 GMT -5
The album feels more like an EP than an actual album. I would have enjoyed that a lot more. 1. I Have Questions 2. Never Be The Same 3. Crying In The Club 4. OMG 5. Havana 6. She Loves Control 7. Real Friends
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Post by deepston on Jan 13, 2018 10:01:22 GMT -5
Total slayage on Spotify. Global Top 50: #1 Havana #4 Never Be The Same #30 Real Friends #32 She Loves Control
US Top 50: #4 Havana #6 Never Be The Same #34 Real Friends #44 In The Dark
US iTunes: Havana #2 #10 Never Be The Same #12 Consequences #48 Something's Gotta Give #93
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Post by NeRD on Jan 13, 2018 13:18:25 GMT -5
So, so happy for her.
Great reviews, Havana likely to go #1 next week with the album, Never Be The Same blowing up worldwide.
All the other girls failing to make it to main pop girl status after 2-3 albums but she's clearly next in line, it it's only the debut week of her debut album.
Loves it.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 13, 2018 13:48:20 GMT -5
hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=310037Saturday, January 13, 2018 WILL CAMILA BATTLE BARNUM FOR #1?As of now, it looks like a battle at the top of our next chart, as Camila Cabello will try to unseat The Greatest Showman’s ST from atop the HITS Top 50, where it's spent the last two weeks. Cabello is projecting to 75-85k in total activity after one full day of sales and streams, 43-48k of that in album sales. The P.T. Barnum-inspired musical Showman saw only a modest drop last week after "This Is Me" won the Golden Globe for Best Original Song. If the soundtrack maintains its momentum and registers a similar, single-digit drop next week, it could be looking at a third week at #1. However, a 20% or greater decline should clear the way for Cabello to take the lead. Stay tuned for updates.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 13, 2018 13:51:33 GMT -5
The entire album made it onto the Spotify top 200 in the US.
#4 Havana #6 Never be the same #34 Real Friends #44 In the dark #74 Into it #77 She loves control #81 All these years #107 Consequences #115 Inside out #123 Something's gotta give
and also globally
#1 Havana #4 Never be the same #30 Real friends #32 She loves control #57 In the dark #58 All these years #61 Consequences #72 Inside out #81 Into it #85 Something's gotta give #89 Havana (Remix)
Initial HITS prediction is 75-85k (43-48k sales). Top 2 and could challenge for #1 depending on how much the TGS Soundtrack falls.
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Post by Crimsonio on Jan 13, 2018 16:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 13, 2018 16:19:29 GMT -5
Those sales are NOT the sales of a star, especially with Havana smashing the way it is, but we'll see if the album has legs.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 13, 2018 17:33:46 GMT -5
From what I’ve heard from the album so far, I’m disappointed that I don’t hear any type of identity from her. When in 5H and while leaving, she cried about finally getting to showcase who she is as a person through her music bc that wasn’t present in the 5H stuff. But most of this album is kinda faceless and nondescript. That’s not really a judgment on the quality of the music. Just an observation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 18:50:34 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the album yet - truthfully, may never now that it's becoming clear that Havana was a bait-and-switch and I wholeheartedly admit being petty and not liking her enough to give her the benefit of a doubt - but it really seems that this album is what she had ready to go when CITC was the first single. Havana was a complete turnaround and bought her more time, but instead of using that as inspiration for other songs the label has chosen to be cheap and recycle the stuff they already had. They are going to push the one or two other viable songs they've got and then move on to album #2 (which I totally expect to be a Latin-infused banger now that they see what works for her) next year, probably. Those sales are NOT the sales of a star, especially with Havana smashing the way it is, but we'll see if the album has legs. I think my prediction for her right after she left 5H was that she'd get a few hits and struggle in album sales (her projection is essentially 7/27, i.e. room for fanbase growth seems virtually nil) so this isn't surprising, but I also think that's somewhat just a statement of where the industry currently is. Sales in general are butt and this decade thus far has been something of a desert for new female artists.
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Post by spaceykSVP1999 on Jan 13, 2018 22:14:19 GMT -5
I mean it has a few bops but her metacritic score is so fishy. It's not as strong as the 5H album and the Ariana comparison they were advertising is bonkers. Selena Gomez requires less vocal assistance.
The first two singles are very radio friendly and her team has done a great job with marketing and promotion.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 13, 2018 22:36:54 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the album yet - truthfully, may never now that it's becoming clear that Havana was a bait-and-switch and I wholeheartedly admit being petty and not liking her enough to give her the benefit of a doubt If you had the time to listen to Tinashe's Superlove more than once, or to write a post about Ciara at any time in the past three years, you have time for this. It exists regardless of one's acknowledgement, like Kelly's spare tire.
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Post by Choco on Jan 13, 2018 22:45:36 GMT -5
As long as it establishes her, and they are able to get a couple more hits from it, this era is a win. Compare Havana alone to 5H entire latest era and it's already a huge win (sadly, because He Like That deserved much better!)
I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but from the reception online I was expecting a much better bop from Into It. It sounds like one of the middling Ariana Grande tracks you eventually end up liking when you get tired of the singles.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jan 13, 2018 23:01:20 GMT -5
I'm expecting at least 2 more singles from the album after NBTS, which is having a very good reception at this point. The January release is a sign that they plan on working this through the year, so they could try for more, but I think a downside of having a lowkey sounding album like this is that if something trips once, it'll be hard to regain momentum with another subdued single.
Still leaning towards In The Dark as the next single, and then possibly either Inside Out, Into It, or She Loves Control.
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Post by deepston on Jan 13, 2018 23:08:09 GMT -5
She Loves Control is probably the safest single and Camila has been playing it safe so unless she wants to risk it a little bit with In The Dark, I'm expecting it to be the 3rd single.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 23:20:32 GMT -5
I haven't listened to the album yet - truthfully, may never now that it's becoming clear that Havana was a bait-and-switch and I wholeheartedly admit being petty and not liking her enough to give her the benefit of a doubt If you had the time to listen to Tinashe's Superlove more than once, or to write a post about Ciara at any time in the past three years, you have time for this. It exists regardless of one's acknowledgement, like Kelly's spare tire. Yeah, but I don't actively dislike Tinashe or Ciara or even Kelly's spare tire lol. I put up with mediocrity and "oh...well this is...cute" from far too many artists as it is without making room for someone I don't like.** I tend to track with Fat Ass Kelly Price and Active Aggressive's tastes so...here we are. Maybe I should bribe @pma2015 with a blunt and a bottle of wine to listen for me and confirm but I really don't think I would like the album much. **I honestly can't think of the last artist I disliked so irrationally (I think I just hate what she represents, as an industry archetype) so the best I can offer is the concession that yes, I am being irrational and entirely in my feelings, which is more than most haters will give you. BUT I did like Havana and have weirdly built up expectations for her next album in my head already, so there is some hope that I will stop being irrational next time around, assuming my predictions about that album are correct. And I legit cannot remember how Superlove goes anymore, you could have at least picked a flop song I stan for lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 1:05:57 GMT -5
You don't have to bribe me lol. I pay $9.99 on Google play for this reason to listen to girls I normally wouldn't seek out. the first song on the album was not needed and set the tone for the album, and then the second song put me zzzzzz. I listened one and half times and can't remember anything already . It's not offensive but it's just beige. Just sounds like an Ariana Grande album without vocals. Actually it sounds worse. It's basic.
Maybe it will grow on me? I wouldn't even have bothered to listen if it wasn't for Havana but that is the sound she needs to go after. Interesting music not this bland ass album.
I will say this, everyone knows if I truly hate something and it's a thin voiced vocalist . I would usually come for blood but lol I don't hate this album. I just realized maybe it wasn't for me. It's average, non offensive and maybe the lack of big moments, amazing melody or melisma is bothering me but I got nothing out of it. To most she will remain the Havana singer because I don't see anything else smashing . If you like 5 harmony inside out is a cute bop. Consequences is her trying to do a big ballad and failing yuck. My best way to describe this album is unseasoned chicken. Nothing memorable.
Good luck. I think she is a cute girl and she killed her European MTV performance!
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 14, 2018 9:13:08 GMT -5
Why, thank you, Queen! What an honor! My best way to describe this album is unseasoned chicken. GAGGGING. The best shade I have seen in a hot minute but SO accurate. Kudos to you for getting through this 1.5 times though. I am struggling with whether I should even play it again outside Never Be The Same and Havana and mayyyyybe Real Friends because I am into that style. Because she gave us the bop that is Havana, I continue to wait and see what's next for her but I am already ready for her stripped, without the Stripped vocals.
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Post by Kii on Jan 14, 2018 9:17:44 GMT -5
Gave the album a listen and thought it was pretty strong, her vocals really shine throughout. There’s a few bops (Into it, Consequences) but I really wish there were one or two more upbeat tracks on offer (some of the excluded material she’s put out would have done the job fine.)
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 14, 2018 9:20:40 GMT -5
Consequence is a bop??
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Post by Kii on Jan 14, 2018 10:02:17 GMT -5
Haha nah I just loved the lyric structure/flow of it. Seems her and her team can scramble together new material rather quick so I’m sure they’ll come up with more material if nothing else on the album resonates well (Looks like Never Be The Same is gonna be a hit in it's own right tho). They’d be silly to kill her momentum with anything too ballad-y.
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