redrooster
New Member
Joined: June 2015
Posts: 437
|
Post by redrooster on Feb 26, 2017 6:35:55 GMT -5
The last song by a band to go to #1 was MAGIC!'s "Rude." Answers.com lists Coldplay's "Viva La Vida" as the last rock song to go to #1, but its Wikipedia page officially refers to it as a "baroque pop" song. The last #1 song whose Wikipedia page contains the word "rock" in its genre description is Maroon 5's "Makes Me Wonder." But since no one actually sees Maroon 5 as rock, we have to go all the way back to early 2002 when Nickelback hit #1 with "How You Remind Me" to find a #1 song that was rock by any reasonable definition (even though no one would ever admit to liking Nickelback). So will we ever see a rock song hit #1 on the Hot 100 again?
|
|
Harx
5x Platinum Member
Joined: August 2016
Posts: 5,015
|
Post by Harx on Feb 26, 2017 8:51:54 GMT -5
Rock song in the old definition of this word? No. Alternative song? Yes. But it will be something pop radio friendly like "Heathens", "Pompeii", "Pumped Up Kicks".
I honestly don't expect a sudden rock revival in the future. I think that alternative music with crossover appeal will keep evolving more and more into electronic teritory.
|
|
Zach
7x Platinum Member
And at once I knew I was not magnificent...
Joined: September 2015
Posts: 7,532
|
Post by Zach on Feb 26, 2017 9:25:30 GMT -5
Ever again for the rest of time? I think so. I don't see any pure rock songs defying the odds and going to #1 anytime soon but as Raycon said an alternative hit could do it in the not too distance future.
I eventually expect that there will be a resurgence of pure rock at some point and that some rock songs will top the Hot 100 again.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,022
|
Post by someguy on Feb 26, 2017 11:12:58 GMT -5
I certainly hope so. Thankfully trends change, and I hope they swing back in this way at some point soon.
|
|
Sherane Lamar
2x Platinum Member
Banned
Long live XXX
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 26, 2017 13:14:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree that Nickelback is the most recent Rock #1.
Personally, I think iTunes has a great genre categorizer.
I think that by 2030, the Hot 100 will be 95+% streaming, and that the weekly list will look almost identical to a "most streamed songs" list. And I think by 2040 the Hot 100 will be retired for this reason.
So Rock hasn't had a #1 for 15 years... I think they have another 12-22 years to get a #1. I doubt it will happen.
I think there's two possibilities for a Rock song to go #1: A song like Uptown Funk comes along. A song that is a throwback to the Rock era and is actually considered a Rock song. A lot of the biggest songs of the last 10 years have been kinda weird songs that really stick out stylistically. And that's part of their appeal. So I can imagine a Rock song maybe doing that sometime in the next decade and a half.
The other possibility is that in the future, the charts become even more suggestive to current events than they are now. Christmas songs are peaking higher than ever. Celebrity death songs are more common than ever. So when Paul McCartney dies, Hey Jude or something goes #1.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 13:16:05 GMT -5
Since when is Rude considered a rock song?
|
|
maine
Moderator
Joined: February 2014
Posts: 27,242
Pronouns: he/him
Staff
|
Post by maine on Feb 26, 2017 13:32:55 GMT -5
Since when is Rude considered a rock song? I don't think you read the post correctly. "Rude" is the last song from a band to go #1. It has nothing to do with being classified as Rock.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 26, 2017 13:33:44 GMT -5
Didn't Imagine Dragons almost hit #1 a few times? If they can do as well as they did, I'm sure at some point it can happen if the timing works in its favour.
|
|
rainie
8x Platinum Member
but its not real, and you don't exist
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 8,580
Pronouns: they / them
|
Post by rainie on Feb 26, 2017 18:05:39 GMT -5
Didn't Imagine Dragons almost hit #1 a few times? If they can do as well as they did, I'm sure at some point it can happen if the timing works in its favour. My a rock band, they're alternative
|
|
redrooster
New Member
Joined: June 2015
Posts: 437
|
Post by redrooster on Feb 26, 2017 18:41:05 GMT -5
Didn't Imagine Dragons almost hit #1 a few times? If they can do as well as they did, I'm sure at some point it can happen if the timing works in its favour. Radioactive peaked at #3. It is officially referred to on Wikipedia (yes it's a reliable source and you will all deal) as an alternative rock/electronic rock song. Had it gone to #1 I personally would have counted it. In terms of hard rock/post-grunge, the only bands that can even hope to chart today are Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 26, 2017 19:00:49 GMT -5
Didn't Imagine Dragons almost hit #1 a few times? If they can do as well as they did, I'm sure at some point it can happen if the timing works in its favour. My a rock band, they're alternative So what is rock? Have there been any new rock acts to emerge at all this decade?
|
|
Sherane Lamar
2x Platinum Member
Banned
Long live XXX
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 26, 2017 19:42:29 GMT -5
Didn't Imagine Dragons almost hit #1 a few times? If they can do as well as they did, I'm sure at some point it can happen if the timing works in its favour. Would not consider Imagine Dragons/fun./Coldplay type artists Rock artists.
|
|
Sherane Lamar
2x Platinum Member
Banned
Long live XXX
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 26, 2017 19:48:58 GMT -5
Didn't Imagine Dragons almost hit #1 a few times? If they can do as well as they did, I'm sure at some point it can happen if the timing works in its favour. Radioactive peaked at #3. It is officially referred to on Wikipedia (yes it's a reliable source and you will all deal) as an alternative rock/electronic rock song. Had it gone to #1 I personally would have counted it. In terms of hard rock/post-grunge, the only bands that can even hope to chart today are Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin. Rock artists to chart in 2015 and 2016: Sawyer Fredericks Kid Rock Stephen Tyler Breaking Benjamin I Prevail NEEDTOBREATH Disturbed David Bowie Queen John Mayer Leonard Cohen Blink-182
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:52:53 GMT -5
If were considering actual rock, nope If were considering rock ala alternative acts such as Imagine Dragons/Coldplay/21 Pilots yes
Rock is practically a dead genre to the masses and charts, meanwhile said alternative acts are major and pretty much get labelled as "Rock" which is kinda stupid
I mean just take this example Tove Lo - Habits (Stay High) reached #1 on the Hot Rock Songs chart, when it has 0 rock influence present in it, altenrative pretty much just got labelled chart wise as "Rock" and to an extent pop songs like Habits.
It's truly stupid IMO
|
|
ry4n
7x Platinum Member
Joined: November 2014
Posts: 7,200
My Charts
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by ry4n on Feb 26, 2017 19:57:31 GMT -5
I think looking at what charts on the rock radio formats is a much better way to differentiate between what is rock and what isn't, rather than Wikipedia classifications. Or Billboard's controversial genre charts post-2012.
We Are Young and Somebody That I Used To Know both went #1 on alternative radio. But if you want to restrict your definition to songs that were hits on Active Rock, well that type of "hard" rock sound just hasn't been popular since the 2000's. What was the last one to crossover? Shinedown's "Second Chance"?
|
|
jdanton2
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 11,551
|
Post by jdanton2 on Feb 26, 2017 19:57:33 GMT -5
Rock music is not just one sound . when it started in the 50's it evolved taking on new influences and by the 60's and 70's and later decades it sounded alot different. so to say groups like Imagine Dragons,Fun ,Magic or 21 Pilots are not Rock is wrong because like Rock acts in previous decades they have adapted to the current sounds of it's time .
|
|
chillpill
Gold Member
Joined: November 2009
Posts: 738
|
Post by chillpill on Feb 26, 2017 20:05:39 GMT -5
and the last Rock song to hit #1 before Nickelback was Creed's "With Arms Wide Open" in 2000. Another band that is hated, lol.
|
|
Sherane Lamar
2x Platinum Member
Banned
Long live XXX
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 26, 2017 21:20:48 GMT -5
Is this a thing? I've only ever heard of "Classic Rock" stations in the last 13 or so years.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 26, 2017 21:35:41 GMT -5
I always find people go to such lengths to differentiate newcomers from being classified as rock, as if they're not good enough to be called rock? I'm not sure. Whenever rock music comes up as a discussion, i can't help but read it as rockist or snobbish or something.
|
|
Sherane Lamar
2x Platinum Member
Banned
Long live XXX
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 26, 2017 21:39:24 GMT -5
I always find people go to such lengths to differentiate newcomers from being classified as rock, as if they're not good enough to be called rock? I'm not sure. Whenever rock music comes up as a discussion, i can't help but read it as rockist or snobbish or something. I'm not a huge fan of either genre, I just don't consider them all too related. Some of the words do remind me of something like Hip-Hop elitists. The "X isn't real Hip-Hop" type thing. Country has that as well. I know that Pop doesn't really have that kind of elitism. It's not a looking down on them thing for me. I just don't consider them the same. I would honestly probably prefer Alternative to Rock if I looked at every single song from each.
|
|
maine
Moderator
Joined: February 2014
Posts: 27,242
Pronouns: he/him
Staff
|
Post by maine on Feb 26, 2017 21:45:31 GMT -5
Is this a thing? I've only ever heard of "Classic Rock" stations in the last 13 or so years. Active Rock
|
|
redrooster
New Member
Joined: June 2015
Posts: 437
|
Post by redrooster on Feb 27, 2017 0:51:58 GMT -5
I think looking at what charts on the rock radio formats is a much better way to differentiate between what is rock and what isn't, rather than Wikipedia classifications. Or Billboard's controversial genre charts post-2012. We Are Young and Somebody That I Used To Know both went #1 on alternative radio. But if you want to restrict your definition to songs that were hits on Active Rock, well that type of "hard" rock sound just hasn't been popular since the 2000's. What was the last one to crossover? Shinedown's "Second Chance"? Yep. "Second Chance" was the last post-grunge song to go top 10. Radioactive peaked at #3. It is officially referred to on Wikipedia (yes it's a reliable source and you will all deal) as an alternative rock/electronic rock song. Had it gone to #1 I personally would have counted it. In terms of hard rock/post-grunge, the only bands that can even hope to chart today are Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin. Rock artists to chart in 2015 and 2016: Sawyer Fredericks Kid Rock Stephen Tyler Breaking Benjamin I Prevail NEEDTOBREATH Disturbed David Bowie Queen John Mayer Leonard Cohen Blink-182 How many of those are actually rock (or even alt-rock) and able to chart even semi-regularly nowadays?
|
|
Sherane Lamar
2x Platinum Member
Banned
Long live XXX
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 27, 2017 2:02:49 GMT -5
How many of those are actually rock? All of them? How many of those are actually able to chart even semi-regularly nowadays? None of them.
|
|
willapted33
9x Platinum Member
blonded
Joined: February 2017
Posts: 9,343
Pronouns: he/him
|
Post by willapted33 on Feb 27, 2017 6:50:48 GMT -5
Unfortunately the only way I see a rock song ever going number 1 again, is if a serious trend change happens or if like someone has already said, someone dies and a classic song like Hey Jude goes to number 1.
|
|
Gary
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2014
Posts: 45,642
|
Post by Gary on Feb 27, 2017 9:55:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree that Nickelback is the most recent Rock #1. Personally, I think iTunes has a great genre categorizer. I think that by 2030, the Hot 100 will be 95+% streaming, and that the weekly list will look almost identical to a "most streamed songs" list. And I think by 2040 the Hot 100 will be retired for this reason. So Rock hasn't had a #1 for 15 years... I think they have another 12-22 years to get a #1. I doubt it will happen. I think there's two possibilities for a Rock song to go #1: A song like Uptown Funk comes along. A song that is a throwback to the Rock era and is actually considered a Rock song. A lot of the biggest songs of the last 10 years have been kinda weird songs that really stick out stylistically. And that's part of their appeal. So I can imagine a Rock song maybe doing that sometime in the next decade and a half. The other possibility is that in the future, the charts become even more suggestive to current events than they are now. Christmas songs are peaking higher than ever. Celebrity death songs are more common than ever. So when Paul McCartney dies, Hey Jude or something goes #1. Music is cyclical. Genres come and go and those that go always come back. The dominant method of listening to music has changed 4 times in 20 years. So then streaming is it, it won't change again? ever? The dominant method of listening to music has changed 4 times in 20 years but even more than than in 60 years. As long as the Hot 100's focus is to measure the most popular songs in the country, why would there no longer be a Hot 100? Music markets change over time and the charts that monitor it try to change with it. The Hot 100 evolved through all the changes and likely won't collapse any time soon.
|
|
Sherane Lamar
2x Platinum Member
Banned
Long live XXX
Joined: February 2016
Posts: 2,900
|
Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 27, 2017 14:05:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree that Nickelback is the most recent Rock #1. Personally, I think iTunes has a great genre categorizer. I think that by 2030, the Hot 100 will be 95+% streaming, and that the weekly list will look almost identical to a "most streamed songs" list. And I think by 2040 the Hot 100 will be retired for this reason. So Rock hasn't had a #1 for 15 years... I think they have another 12-22 years to get a #1. I doubt it will happen. I think there's two possibilities for a Rock song to go #1: A song like Uptown Funk comes along. A song that is a throwback to the Rock era and is actually considered a Rock song. A lot of the biggest songs of the last 10 years have been kinda weird songs that really stick out stylistically. And that's part of their appeal. So I can imagine a Rock song maybe doing that sometime in the next decade and a half. The other possibility is that in the future, the charts become even more suggestive to current events than they are now. Christmas songs are peaking higher than ever. Celebrity death songs are more common than ever. So when Paul McCartney dies, Hey Jude or something goes #1. Music is cyclical. Genres come and go and those that go always come back. The dominant method of listening to music has changed 4 times in 20 years. So then streaming is it, it won't change again? ever? The dominant method of listening to music has changed 4 times in 20 years but even more than than in 60 years. As long as the Hot 100's focus is to measure the most popular songs in the country, why would there no longer be a Hot 100? Music markets change over time and the charts that monitor it try to change with it. The Hot 100 evolved through all the changes and likely won't collapse any time soon. Wasn't there a time when Jazz and Orchestral music had a significant presence on the Hot 100? I think genres are basically just a large scale cultural trend. They aren't inherently immortal. They can last as long as they want, but they can also die out forever. Also, all of the changes in music consumption have been steps forward because of technology. Every one of them have streamlined, if you will, the process of listening to music. So what could possibly replace streaming? Straight-to-brain listening? VR concerts? Those would still be forms of streaming, right? I think we're heading towards an industry that is almost entirely streaming, to the point where sales and radio are insignificant, negligible factors. If streaming stats are open to the public, then Billboard's Hot 100 will end up getting a ton of imitators. Streaming stats could be like box office: public knowledge, not owned or curated by any one company. At that point, Billboard and a lot of its followers aversion to change will make it obsolete, and will make it an inferior version of some other source, such as Wikipedia. Here's a Wikipedia article that is similar to what I'm describing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_viewed_online_videos_in_first_24_hoursNow, if major significant platforms like Tidal or Pandora can keep their statistics a secret, and only give them to Nielson and Billboard, then Billboard can maintain its relevance and the rest of the world can be kept in the dark. But you're saying that streaming won't become nearly 100% of the industry. To me, the only thing that would stop streaming from eventually becoming 95+% of the Hot 100 is if, in one way or another, our "quality of life" so to speak, decreased. If the industry somehow forced consumers to purchase music rather than stream it (with a huge price hike in streaming for example). Or if there was some sort of large scale, nationwide economic or technological disaster that led to fewer and fewer people having access to internet and 4G, rather than the trend we're going in where more and more people have access to streaming. But a basic rule of economics is that as a group, consumers will always behave rationally. So unless something negatively impacts the consumer's ability to get music free and easy on the internet, sales and radio are just going to become infinitely smaller until they are completely insignificant.
|
|
Gary
Diamond Member
Joined: January 2014
Posts: 45,642
|
Post by Gary on Feb 27, 2017 14:22:19 GMT -5
Music is cyclical. Genres come and go and those that go always come back. The dominant method of listening to music has changed 4 times in 20 years. So then streaming is it, it won't change again? ever? The dominant method of listening to music has changed 4 times in 20 years but even more than than in 60 years. As long as the Hot 100's focus is to measure the most popular songs in the country, why would there no longer be a Hot 100? Music markets change over time and the charts that monitor it try to change with it. The Hot 100 evolved through all the changes and likely won't collapse any time soon. Wasn't there a time when Jazz and Orchestral music had a significant presence on the Hot 100? I think genres are basically just a large scale cultural trend. They aren't inherently immortal. They can last as long as they want, but they can also die out forever. Also, all of the changes in music consumption have been steps forward because of technology. Every one of them have streamlined, if you will, the process of listening to music. So what could possibly replace streaming? Straight-to-brain listening? VR concerts? Those would still be forms of streaming, right? I think we're heading towards an industry that is almost entirely streaming, to the point where sales and radio are insignificant, negligible factors. If streaming stats are open to the public, then Billboard's Hot 100 will end up getting a ton of imitators. Streaming stats could be like box office: public knowledge, not owned or curated by any one company. At that point, Billboard and a lot of its followers aversion to change will make it obsolete, and will make it an inferior version of some other source, such as Wikipedia. Here's a Wikipedia article that is similar to what I'm describing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_viewed_online_videos_in_first_24_hoursNow, if major significant platforms like Tidal or Pandora can keep their statistics a secret, and only give them to Nielson and Billboard, then Billboard can maintain its relevance and the rest of the world can be kept in the dark. But you're saying that streaming won't become nearly 100% of the industry. To me, the only thing that would stop streaming from eventually becoming 95+% of the Hot 100 is if, in one way or another, our "quality of life" so to speak, decreased. If the industry somehow forced consumers to purchase music rather than stream it (with a huge price hike in streaming for example). Or if there was some sort of large scale, nationwide economic or technological disaster that led to fewer and fewer people having access to internet and 4G, rather than the trend we're going in where more and more people have access to streaming. But a basic rule of economics is that as a group, consumers will always behave rationally. So unless something negatively impacts the consumer's ability to get music free and easy on the internet, sales and radio are just going to become infinitely smaller until they are completely insignificant. In 50 years, from a singles standpoint (as the discussion is the Hot 100), we have gone from the 78 to the 45 to the cassette to the CD to airplay only (mid 90's) to digital to finally streaming. The vinyl has never really died out, in fact it is seeing a bit of a resurgence. The streaming industry is still growing exponentially with no end in sight. But eventually like all things that came before, it too will peak. (Digital experienced the same growth not too long ago before peaking and eventually declining) Hard to believe that with all the technology changes in the last generation or so, that we are all of a sudden done. What will replace streaming? When will it happen? Don't know but once the streaming industry peaks out, someone or something will find a way to come up with something new. It is just a matter of time. The driver behind the argument that streaming is forever is that it is free. Will it remain that way forever? I find it hard to believe. As costs go up to put the songs out, streaming companies will have to continue to pay more for the song rights, which in turn will be passed on to members if cost increases are significant. In that event free memberships will dry up. In that case so will growth. When that happens, incentive to find the "next big thing" increases. And the cycle repeats. On Hot 100 genres, it has always been about "pop music". What is "pop" tends to change over time. Country comes and goes. Dance music comes goes and comes back again. Other genres seem to follow the same path. Big band music gave way to "rock" and "pop" in the 1950s. Other than that, what genres have died out?
|
|
|
Post by .It'sGriffin on Jul 8, 2017 7:49:33 GMT -5
Yeah, according to Billboard. I can see TΓP's lead single going to #1.
Also, what if billboard will start using mentions on Twitter/Facebook and Google searches as a component? That is possible.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 8:05:40 GMT -5
Yes, and people here will argue if it's really "rock" or not.
|
|
|
Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 8, 2017 8:21:16 GMT -5
Many fans of rock music would never admit that a rock song able to get popular in this musical landscape is actually a rock song unless it was by an already established and agreed-upon rock band like the Foo Fighters. This is why rock is living in a cave somewhere nearly dead.
|
|