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Post by Sherane Lamar on Jul 17, 2017 5:13:32 GMT -5
"Wealthy and upper-middle-class urbanites"
Wait... what the hell does this mean from a music industry perspective?
What counts as "Wealthy and upper-middle-class urbanites"??
What type of music do these people supposedly listen to (I assume it would probably be the exact same music as the slightly poorer versions of their demographic)?
And wouldn't the population of these people be generally too small to actually carve out a portion of the music industry for themselves? I mean what are we talking about here? Like 1.5% of the population?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 17, 2017 6:41:04 GMT -5
Despite the relative lack of racial diversity among rock music fans, I'd argue that it's actually the most tolerant fan base of any genre. Unless you're a woman. But that is an interesting statement and one worth exploring. Rock has historically been a genre that has been at the forefront of political discussions so it's interesting that you note its absence from the racial discussion. Maybe that in itself is why it doesn't appeal to audiences other than straight white males as much as other genres, because the only demographic who don't want to hear about race/orientation/etc discussions or who are threatened the most by those discussions are straight white males. So after that, yeah, maybe the context of race is a bigger reason as to why rock has gone more underground in recent years? Another thing that has come to mind as part of this discussion is how fans of rock music view music compared to fans of other kinds of music. I fully admit this is a generalization based off of nothing other than my own observations but it's something that has jumped out at me time and time again in many different settings. Rock fans very often dismiss or discredit other kinds of music. A lot. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say they look down on people who like other kinds of music but I've been "insulted" (teased) for liking certain music by people who like predominately rock or classic rock music. That's something I've never really gotten from fans of other specific genres. So, to me, there's a certain attitude that comes from rock music that is of superiority. I don't know if that contributes in any way to the genre's downfall since, again, it's my own generalization, but it could play a small role in it? In the sense that it could be harder to be a new rock act and win rock fans over. So while longterm rock bands continue to tour, they're not going to be around forever. There's no one being prepped to replace those acts.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 17, 2017 7:40:21 GMT -5
Well said.
Also, if we are thinking about teenagers who are in need to find themselves and want rebel against the system I don't think they find anything in rock at the moment. The days of Nirvana, Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails and nu-metal are long gone and there's nothing to replace those.
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Post by lyhom on Jul 17, 2017 12:42:18 GMT -5
It also doesn't help that the industry is full of people with insane political views who believe that your average white American is a bigot who deserves to be culturally, socially and economically isolated. To those people, the death of rock music would probably just be considered collateral damage.
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Post by Sambalada on Jul 17, 2017 15:26:21 GMT -5
How about Harry Styles? Many people refuses to label his music as Pop, hell, I am refusing to call it Pop, too. Do rock fans view him as a rock act?
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Post by craziaskowboi on Jul 17, 2017 19:18:15 GMT -5
Despite the relative lack of racial diversity among rock music fans, I'd argue that it's actually the most tolerant fan base of any genre. Unless you're a woman. But that is an interesting statement and one worth exploring. Rock has historically been a genre that has been at the forefront of political discussions so it's interesting that you note its absence from the racial discussion. Maybe that in itself is why it doesn't appeal to audiences other than straight white males as much as other genres, because the only demographic who don't want to hear about race/orientation/etc discussions or who are threatened the most by those discussions are straight white males.So after that, yeah, maybe the context of race is a bigger reason as to why rock has gone more underground in recent years? Another thing that has come to mind as part of this discussion is how fans of rock music view music compared to fans of other kinds of music. I fully admit this is a generalization based off of nothing other than my own observations but it's something that has jumped out at me time and time again in many different settings. Rock fans very often dismiss or discredit other kinds of music. A lot. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say they look down on people who like other kinds of music but I've been "insulted" (teased) for liking certain music by people who like predominately rock or classic rock music. That's something I've never really gotten from fans of other specific genres. So, to me, there's a certain attitude that comes from rock music that is of superiority. I don't know if that contributes in any way to the genre's downfall since, again, it's my own generalization, but it could play a small role in it? In the sense that it could be harder to be a new rock act and win rock fans over. So while longterm rock bands continue to tour, they're not going to be around forever. There's no one being prepped to replace those acts. To be fair, labeling people racist when they're not is very threatening. I'd venture that most white people don't spend their spare time thinking of ways to make life harder for non-white people, so I certainly understand why they don't want to hear another racial discussion. Truth is, there wouldn't even be a non-white middle class in the United States, let alone a growing one, if straight white men were even half as racist as they're often accused of being. And rock music fans aren't the ones who should be lectured to about race or any other social issue either, because they already treat Lajon Witherspoon, Slash, Robert Trujillo and Rob Halford with the same respect as any straight white rock musician. Same with Freddie Mercury (Persian, gay) and Vernon Reid (black), for that matter. The races, ethnicities and sexual identities of these musicians are seldom discussed because rock music fans are focused on their merit instead, which is how it should be.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 17, 2017 19:34:22 GMT -5
To be fair, labeling people racist when they're not is very threatening. I'd venture that most white people don't spend their spare time thinking of ways to make life harder for non-white people, so I certainly understand why they don't want to hear another racial discussion. Truth is, there wouldn't even be a non-white middle class in the United States, let alone a growing one, if straight white men were even half as racist as they're often accused of being. And rock music fans aren't the ones who should be lectured to about race or any other social issue either, because they already treat Lajon Witherspoon, Slash, Robert Trujillo and Rob Halford with the same respect as any straight white rock musician. Same with Freddie Mercury (Persian, gay) and Vernon Reid (black), for that matter. The races, ethnicities and sexual identities of these musicians are seldom discussed because rock music fans are focused on their merit instead, which is how it should be. Nowhere did I say anyone was racist. My point to the part you highlighted is that straight white males are the only group who have the ability, no, the privilege to escape from any sort of discussion like this, whether it be a discussion about race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. That's part of what privilege is. And that was part of my guess about rock music appealing mainly to that demographic and it lacking any sort of discussion about those types of issues in its lyrics. That absence can, in itself, be as much of a message about the discussion as its inclusion in other genres of music. If white people don't want to hear another racial discussion, that's a choice they and they alone have that no other race does, and they can certainly avoid it by listening to rock music. Therefore, rock music speaks mainly to those audiences. With all that said, I don't necessarily think rock music is itself rooted in racism. Like many genres, it's very inclusionary and while you list successful rock artists who aren't white and straight, they're all exceptions. They're all well respected but I can't help but wonder how much of a hindrance their respective backgrounds were to getting them where they are. As an aside, Freddie Mercury never actually outed himself and was consistent in his attempts to distance himself from his orientation in the context of his music career while Rob Halford didn't come out until the late 90s, long after his band found success. Admittedly, it seems him being gay hasn't impacted their career but can we think of one predominately rock artist who has been able to succeed while being openly gay from the beginning?
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Post by House Lannister on Jul 19, 2017 15:32:02 GMT -5
Yes, but it will take a lot to go right for it to happen.
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Post by redrooster on Sept 25, 2017 14:23:32 GMT -5
Idk if you'd call it rock, but "Feel it Still" just went top 10 and shows no signs of slowing down...
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Post by ilikemusic on Sept 25, 2017 18:04:17 GMT -5
Idk if you'd call it rock, but "Feel it Still" just went top 10 and shows no signs of slowing down... It's an "alternative" song but honestly sounds more like a 60's Motown song than a rock song lol
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Post by ilikemusic on Sept 25, 2017 18:05:43 GMT -5
How about Harry Styles? Many people refuses to label his music as Pop, hell, I am refusing to call it Pop, too. Do rock fans view him as a rock act? I mean he definitely makes rock-ish sounding music but his songs don't really have any catchy hooks so even if he tried to bring back rock music, he'd have to make the melodies a little more pop-leaning
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Post by willapted33 on Sept 26, 2017 3:45:14 GMT -5
Hold up... Imagine if Lil Uzi Vert made a rock album (since people are labelling an example of a modern day rockstar) and a song from it went to number 1? Could happen.
in a fantasy world lmao
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Sept 26, 2017 11:42:56 GMT -5
Yes.
American Idiot should reenter at number one soon.
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Post by lazer on May 26, 2021 8:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 26, 2021 9:58:32 GMT -5
Well we finally got our rock savior
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Post by tekkenguy on May 26, 2021 16:08:52 GMT -5
Fine, how about a rock song from a rock artist?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 26, 2021 22:47:54 GMT -5
Fine, how about a rock song from a rock artist? well then support rock artists then so they can get big and crossover
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Post by Clode on Jul 10, 2021 17:28:52 GMT -5
Billboard really did make a mistake by not counting "Good 4 U" as a Rock song. Apart from that song what I would consider to be the last real Rock song to go to #1 on the Hot 100 would have to be "Circles" from Post Malone. My theory as to why Rock has not had much Mainstream success recently would have to be that the Rock listeners are simply stuck in the Past and I believe that a good number of them simply don't actively search for newer Rock Songs.
I don't know if that has something to do with the fact that Rock has completely declined from the Mainstream and so the more Casual listeners of Rock aren't aware of today's Rock, Or if many of today's Rock Artists simply aren't good enough to appeal to a Mainstream audience. The Rock Band Maneskin is currently having great success globally and so they could very well open the door to newer Rock Bands potentially being able to crossover in the Mainstream again.
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Post by redrooster on Jul 18, 2021 22:20:48 GMT -5
Well we finally got our rock savior Came here just to post this. Looks like you beat me to it.
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Post by redrooster on Jul 18, 2021 22:21:22 GMT -5
Billboard really did make a mistake by not counting "Good 4 U" as a Rock song. Apart from that song what I would consider to be the last real Rock song to go to #1 on the Hot 100 would have to be "Circles" from Post Malone. My theory as to why Rock has not had much Mainstream success recently would have to be that the Rock listeners are simply stuck in the Past and I believe that a good number of them simply don't actively search for newer Rock Songs. I don't know if that has something to do with the fact that Rock has completely declined from the Mainstream and so the more Casual listeners of Rock aren't aware of today's Rock, Or if many of today's Rock Artists simply aren't good enough to appeal to a Mainstream audience. The Rock Band Maneskin is currently having great success globally and so they could very well open the door to newer Rock Bands potentially being able to crossover in the Mainstream again. I don't see "Circles" as rock.
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Post by Choco on Jul 19, 2021 15:33:26 GMT -5
Fine, how about a rock song from a rock artist? in b4 Olivia embraces the "brutal"/"good 4 u" thing and drops the next big rock album.
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Post by notgoodenglish on Jul 19, 2021 16:07:47 GMT -5
Måneskin soon.
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Post by radio2009 on Aug 1, 2021 0:02:11 GMT -5
Boggle the hell out of me why Halestorm was never pushed to CHR. "I Get Off", "Bet U Wish U Had Me Back", "Familiar Taste Of Poison" and many others would have done well.
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