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Post by QAF on Apr 23, 2018 12:22:44 GMT -5
I don't believe that Trump is capable of honesty at any time.
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Post by dbhmr on Apr 23, 2018 12:27:13 GMT -5
Okay. She said she'd vote for him and she praised his honesty. His honesty. Inexcusable, unthinkable, nonsensical. She's lucky her Drag Race episode aired when it did. She can take her ignorance elsewhere. She took it as honesty at the time... mostly everything he said about Hilary and corruption was honest. Now, no. Thats why a lot of people have egg on their face cause they believed him and went with the other option instead of Hilary. Oh girl...no. Just...no. How embarrassing it is to stan this hard. He lied with ferocity from the moment he began campaigning and hasn't stopped, and the only people who don't recognize that are the ones who were too self-interest or too ignorant to care, and often times it was both.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 12:37:21 GMT -5
Do your research...girl. *shudder*
Again, nothing to do with stanning. U cant even stay on topic...typical.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 12:40:54 GMT -5
The outrage is funny to me, because I’m not surprised in the slightest.
I don’t think this will have much of an effect on her at all, except some of her casual gay fans (as in gay fans who are casual fans, not fans who are casually gay) deleting her off their Spotify playlists.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 23, 2018 12:53:07 GMT -5
The outrage is funny to me, because I’m not surprised in the slightest. Yup. Personally, I'd never vote for Trump, but I can objectively see the appeal he had. And despite her wealth now, I can see how parts of what he went on about would appeal to someone who lived in poverty growing up, in a family without much history of education, and didn't start to make ends meet until they were in their 30s. You don't need to be a Ted Nugent-level job find something that connects with you, even if other parts are repelling, and that part that connects is enough to make him your choice. I do find it interesting that of all the things she could mention, she chose honesty, when a good amount of people who voted for him put how much he didn't care as a bonus, but that's neither here nor there ultimately. It's the empty platitudes that she spoke in that came across as the most unfortunate, because if you're going to back someone like him, at least be able to focus on what the proper appeal to you was and state it with actual support.
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Post by BDGeek on Apr 23, 2018 13:17:19 GMT -5
Because no one's posted it yet, here's the quote about Trump from Shania's original Guardian interview for context: I interpret her take less as outright support for Trump and more as her trying to express what his supporters saw in him versus Clinton. I know there are lots of Clinton supporters on this board (I voted for her too). But to many people, Clinton came off as yet another career politician who spoke in euphemisms and was out of touch with everyday Americans. Say what you will about Trump (I think he's vile), but his non-traditional presentation style was refreshing for a lot of people who were sick of Clinton, Bush, and Romney-type candidates. After reading Shania's memoir, she doesn't strike me as someone who embodies the same values Trump represents. She grew up in a poor, working-class family in rural Ontario, but also frequented drag shows in her twenties, so I imagine her views are pretty nuanced. You can support a candidate without agreeing with all their views and policies; I have friends and relatives who did this with Trump. The all-or-nothing tribalism that's so rampant in American politics these days is exactly the type of discord assholes like Putin want to sow so they can climb the chaos ladder. I won't stop enjoying Shania's music just because she theoretically would have voted for a candidate I despise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 14:18:20 GMT -5
No no. You said singing his praises. Which I addressed, bu you’re free to interpret my words however you like. If you refuse to acknowledge or understand what I meant as I’ve explained it, that’s not my problem.
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Post by Oprah on Apr 23, 2018 14:41:13 GMT -5
I think the issue with her saying Trump is honest - in spite of him lying gratuitously about everything - is that when people say he's honest they generally mean he's refreshingly upfront about his racism. Also, it's laughable to defend her by saying we didn't know Trump was a lying shitstain during the election. Beyond that being patently false, she isn't saying she voted for him, past tense, because she felt that way in the past - she's saying she WOULD vote for him because she feels that way NOW.
I'm not so much surprised that she thinks this way as surprised that she made such a huge PR mess for herself. She's not even fucking American! She has such an easy way out of answering a potentially damaging question like this.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 23, 2018 19:12:55 GMT -5
I think the issue with her saying Trump is honest - in spite of him lying gratuitously about everything - is that when people say he's honest they generally mean he's refreshingly upfront about his racism. Also, it's laughable to defend her by saying we didn't know Trump was a lying shitstain during the election. Beyond that being patently false, she isn't saying she voted for him, past tense, because she felt that way in the past - she's saying she WOULD vote for him because she feels that way NOW. I'm not so much surprised that she thinks this way as surprised that she made such a huge PR mess for herself. She's not even f**king American! She has such an easy way out of answering a potentially damaging question like this.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 26, 2018 21:55:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but Natalie was on the right side of history. lol Not really. She just agreed with you. Actually, really, Maines’ comments were an outgrowth of Bush’s claims about Iraq. History has proven Bush to have been a liar (not to mention a poor President) and thus affirmed the concerns Maines expressed.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 26, 2018 21:59:30 GMT -5
Because no one's posted it yet, here's the quote about Trump from Shania's original Guardian interview for context: I interpret her take less as outright support for Trump and more as her trying to express what his supporters saw in him versus Clinton. I know there are lots of Clinton supporters on this board (I voted for her too). But to many people, Clinton came off as yet another career politician who spoke in euphemisms and was out of touch with everyday Americans. Say what you will about Trump (I think he's vile), but his non-traditional presentation style was refreshing for a lot of people who were sick of Clinton, Bush, and Romney-type candidates. After reading Shania's memoir, she doesn't strike me as someone who embodies the same values Trump represents. She grew up in a poor, working-class family in rural Ontario, but also frequented drag shows in her twenties, so I imagine her views are pretty nuanced. You can support a candidate without agreeing with all their views and policies; I have friends and relatives who did this with Trump. The all-or-nothing tribalism that's so rampant in American politics these days is exactly the type of discord assholes like Putin want to sow so they can climb the chaos ladder. I won't stop enjoying Shania's music just because she theoretically would have voted for a candidate I despise. I actually find the full quote more bothersome than just hearing she said she’d have voted for Trump. Twain actually acknowledges she knew he was offensive but still would have voted for him. So, his racism and sexism would not have prevented her from voting for him because...he was honest about his prejudices? And apparently she sees respecting various races and other group as being “polite.” WTF?
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Post by Push The Button on Apr 27, 2018 5:42:59 GMT -5
Not really. She just agreed with you. Actually, really, Maines’ comments were an outgrowth of Bush’s claims about Iraq. History has proven Bush to have been a liar (not to mention a poor President) and thus affirmed the concerns Maines expressed. She said she was ashamed the president was from Texas. There is no proving that to be “right” since it is the very basis of an opinion. Give me a break.
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Post by QAF on Apr 27, 2018 7:38:09 GMT -5
Actually, really, Maines’ comments were an outgrowth of Bush’s claims about Iraq. History has proven Bush to have been a liar (not to mention a poor President) and thus affirmed the concerns Maines expressed. She said she was ashamed the president was from Texas. There is no proving that to be “right” since it is the very basis of an opinion. Give me a break. You are seriously grasping. Just give it up. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 27, 2018 9:07:08 GMT -5
I don't think Shania's comments will have too much impact on her fanbase. In any event, Clinton had the odds stacked against her from the start- just getting the nomination was a feat. Whenever one party has eight consecutive years in office, it's extremely difficult for that party to win the election thereafter, under the Electoral College system. (Seer the last time it happened with the Democratic Party).
To get back on track... Shania is supportive of the LGBTQ community. As are some others who probably voted for Trump. Voting for Trump does not mean the person agrees with all of his beliefs/values, etc.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 27, 2018 9:07:55 GMT -5
Actually, really, Maines’ comments were an outgrowth of Bush’s claims about Iraq. History has proven Bush to have been a liar (not to mention a poor President) and thus affirmed the concerns Maines expressed. She said she was ashamed the president was from Texas. There is no proving that to be “right” since it is the very basis of an opinion. Give me a break. You aren’t mentioning the full quote which was "Just so you know, we're on the good side with y'all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we're ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas." The quote was about the impending invasion to Iraq, during which the govenment/Bush was misleading the public on the WMDs. When I said Maines was proven right, I was referencing that context. To get back on track... Shania is supportive of the LGBTQ community. As are some others who probably voted for Trump. Voting for Trump does not mean the person agrees with all of his beliefs/values, etc. Considering the stance of his administration and what they plan to do, at a minimum supporting Trump means LGBT issues aren’t a priority to the person. You can’t tell me you support me while at the same time supporting someone who advocates for me getting fired from a job for my orientation, not being allowed in the military, and so on. Again at a minimum that’s saying other things are more important to you than my rights. “Sorry you got fired and can’t marry, but I think HRC is a liar so....”
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 27, 2018 17:37:52 GMT -5
^That could be true- just saying that it doesn't mean a Trump voter (which could be someone voting for, in their eyes, the lesser of two evils, and not necessarily a "supporter," per se) is against LGBTQ rights. With all of the issues out there, that probably isn't the No. 1 concern for some who voted for Trump.
Shania probably should have ignored the question when asked. :)
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Post by austin on May 1, 2018 9:46:13 GMT -5
I just watched her Today Show performances. They are using a lot of backing track and a loud choir but her voice still sounds better post surgery than it did with the album launch. "Getcha Good!" was AWFUL bt "Any Man of Mine" really was pretty good and I was fine with "I'm Alright."
I see the tour next month so hopefully all the kinks are out and its a stellar show.
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Post by schnetzka on May 1, 2018 12:30:42 GMT -5
I felt like her voice gave out a few times during the Today Show performances. Hopefully that doesn't happen too often on tour.
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Post by kmbgs on May 1, 2018 15:03:03 GMT -5
Why has no one mentioned her starring in/hosting/judging the USA show "Real Country"?
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Post by dwhite725 on May 2, 2018 1:18:32 GMT -5
I will agree with Roseanne on this, bc I said it before the election. Whoever was to be president was the lesser of 2 evils. I said that to my coworkers. I couldn't vote for either. Roseanne said that on Fallon on Monday, that it was voting between the lesser of 2 evils.
i can't blame Shania for who she voted for. But I'm glad she's honest about it. I don't think most celebrities are.
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Post by thewp on May 2, 2018 11:18:02 GMT -5
She’s Canadian tho.
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Post by McCreerian on May 3, 2018 20:18:38 GMT -5
idgaf what Shania said. She's been my queen since 1995 and still is. I just got 8th row seats to see her in Duluth, GA next month and bow at her pop-country feet (not lierally lol)! I'm so excited!
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Post by austin on May 4, 2018 6:11:36 GMT -5
The setlist looks really good, all things considered. The show should be exactly what I want from her.
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Post by codyj100 on May 4, 2018 12:35:41 GMT -5
NOW Tour Setlist
Intro: Contains elements of "Any Man Of Mine" / Crowd Walkthrough From B Stage 1. Life's About To Get Good 2. Come On Over 3. Up! 4. Poor Me 5. Don't Be Stupid (You Know I Love You) 6. That Don't Impress Me Much 7. Let's Kiss And Make Up 8. Any Man Of Mine 9. Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under 10. Honey, I'm Home 11. I'm Alright Above B Stage 12. Soldier 13. You're Still The One A Stage 14. More Fun 15. From This Moment On 16. I'm Gonna Getcha Good! 17. Party For Two (with opening act Bastian Baker) 18. Swingin' With My Eyes Closed (with opening act Bastian Baker) 19. (If You're Not In It For Love) I'm Outta Here! Encore 20. Man! I Feel Like A Woman! 21. Rock This Country!
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Post by austin on May 4, 2018 13:04:56 GMT -5
So glad she dropped "I Ain't No Quitter" for "Don't Be Stupid" <3. I will enjoy this show a lot.
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Post by McCreerian on May 4, 2018 18:58:09 GMT -5
Love this list! Can't wait for Georgia!
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Post by bat1990 on May 5, 2018 10:26:27 GMT -5
Nice, almost half of the new album.
Though "Roll Me on the River" or "You Can't Buy Love" would be fun live especially as an alternative to "More Fun."
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Post by SHOOTER on May 5, 2018 16:30:12 GMT -5
Great set list although I think Roll Me on the River and Home Now would've been nice inclusions.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on May 6, 2018 17:36:08 GMT -5
I was hoping for “We Got Something They dont” to be in the list but that’ll be fine with the rest.
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Post by SHOOTER on May 7, 2018 2:47:02 GMT -5
I was hoping for “We Got Something They dont” to be in the list but that’ll be fine with the rest. That, too!
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