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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 7, 2018 7:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 8, 2018 7:23:45 GMT -5
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Post by thescreamqueer on Feb 8, 2018 11:00:55 GMT -5
POP:36 39 KESHA Woman f/Dap-Kings 1183 1045 138 4.320 +25 Spins -8 Bullet -0.071 Audience HOT AC:35 34 KESHA Woman f/Dap-Kings 428 304 124 1.241 +20 Spins +8 Bullet +0.024 Audience I know the drops in audience are a bit of a red flag, but the song is FINALLY moving to break the Top 200 on iTunes, especially now that all of JT's tracks are dropping off post-Super Bowl. I think people are hearing this song and responding, ESPECIALLY women (clearly). Give this one time to slow-burn. There is potential here, and it's still so early. It's only been 2 weeks since it hit radio!
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 8, 2018 11:09:59 GMT -5
She needs to promote this. She has an uphill battle with streams but Grammys aside she has kept too low of a profile this year. It’s because they rode with Praying for too long. It’s a trade off and they made their decision. Yes, the song moderately rose and lingered around the top 10, never sky rocketing to top 5 and being a certified smash. But it was consistent radio play, and fed radio something different from her, including a Grammy performance. However, 7 months is too long to ride a single, and I would’ve killed it for era longevity in November. Nobody can deny this era is strained for momentum going forward, and now it’ll be an uphill battle. I’m hoping for a re-release to coincide with the new tour, and some new singles that ignite interest again. I know you keep harping about this (I'm pretty sure this is the fifth or sixth time I've responded to you about this exact topic), but it really isn't the case. If it were, "Woman" would not have leapt its way into the top 40 before the adds date. It's struggling now because there has been absolutely no promotion for "Woman" whatsoever, which is a problem and would be a problem whether they started the campaign for this single in November (which would have been a disastrous idea with the holidays anyway) or now. Her team chose to promote "Praying" at the Grammys even when this was the current single. That was a major misstep for this single, yet it also solidified a pop culture moment for Kesha and "Praying," so I understand their decision. However, their complete disregard of promoting this single is alarming and it's what's hurting this now. They can't even push it with a music video since the video has been out since July. I'm not sure how you think riding a single increasing in popularity longer hurts an era. "Praying" was still increasing, still gaining new listeners, still lingering in the top third of the iTunes chart, still streaming decently (Kesha isn't ever going to be a great streamer, let's just accept that now). It wasn't a dead song they kept trying to push, it was consistently growing and maintaining a good base of people interested in her and the album. You would have a case and an argument if "Praying" were struggling or even dying, but that wasn't what was happening. Besides, whatever they chose for the second single would have been an uphill battle no matter when they released it.
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Post by collin on Feb 8, 2018 13:02:02 GMT -5
I don't think the performance thus far is that alarming. She's been slow burning the whole era so far. I think the song just needs a push and some time.
I guess I could be wrong, but I'm optimistic.
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Post by thescreamqueer on Feb 8, 2018 14:23:23 GMT -5
I know this is distracting, but if someone doesn't update the sales/certifications on the official "Praying" Wikipedia to reflect 710,000+ I'm going to lose my damn MIND. I don't know why I'm taking this so personally...
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Post by upsidedown on Feb 8, 2018 14:24:30 GMT -5
I mean, it's not THAT much of a surprise that it's slow burning. Good Old Days is right outside of the Top 10 and Praying has a positive bullet right now.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 8, 2018 15:05:47 GMT -5
I know this is distracting, but if someone doesn't update the sales/certifications on the official "Praying" Wikipedia to reflect 710,000+ I'm going to lose my damn MIND. I don't know why I'm taking this so personally... Here you go.
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 8, 2018 16:09:48 GMT -5
It’s because they rode with Praying for too long. It’s a trade off and they made their decision. Yes, the song moderately rose and lingered around the top 10, never sky rocketing to top 5 and being a certified smash. But it was consistent radio play, and fed radio something different from her, including a Grammy performance. However, 7 months is too long to ride a single, and I would’ve killed it for era longevity in November. Nobody can deny this era is strained for momentum going forward, and now it’ll be an uphill battle. I’m hoping for a re-release to coincide with the new tour, and some new singles that ignite interest again. I know you keep harping about this (I'm pretty sure this is the fifth or sixth time I've responded to you about this exact topic), but it really isn't the case. If it were, "Woman" would not have leapt its way into the top 40 before the adds date. It's struggling now because there has been absolutely no promotion for "Woman" whatsoever, which is a problem and would be a problem whether they started the campaign for this single in November (which would have been a disastrous idea with the holidays anyway) or now. Her team chose to promote "Praying" at the Grammys even when this was the current single. That was a major misstep for this single, yet it also solidified a pop culture moment for Kesha and "Praying," so I understand their decision. However, their complete disregard of promoting this single is alarming and it's what's hurting this now. They can't even push it with a music video since the video has been out since July. I'm not sure how you think riding a single increasing in popularity longer hurts an era. "Praying" was still increasing, still gaining new listeners, still lingering in the top third of the iTunes chart, still streaming decently (Kesha isn't ever going to be a great streamer, let's just accept that now). It wasn't a dead song they kept trying to push, it was consistently growing and maintaining a good base of people interested in her and the album. You would have a case and an argument if "Praying" were struggling or even dying, but that wasn't what was happening. Besides, whatever they chose for the second single would have been an uphill battle no matter when they released it. And for the 5th or 6th time, your counter is missing my point. We simply have different opinions about how we would handle this project and it’s singles. Top 40 before the adds date is a given for anyone with a name. Praying was/ is a hit, so anything with an adds date was going to do that, and she does have a lot of industry rooting for her success. It’s not as black and white as whether Praying was seeing positive or negative updates. Im looking at the situation as a bigger picture. With knowledge of how hard her recording life is behind the scenes, she needs more than a hit to solidify successful career longevity going forward. She needs a strong era that goes at least 3 singles deep to have leverage in future recording disputes/creative control issues she will undoubtedly face, and could likely see a court room. Eras are shorter and shorter in the age of streaming, and people chew up the music, then look to Spotify to see what’s else is trending. If a song is gaining modestly, and lingering Top 10 for a month, it’s time for another single, as you only have so much time where people care about the record and the next output (aka Hype window). This is where we can agree to disagree on strategy. Completely different circumstance, but a situation where this type of judgement was exercised was when Rihanna’s team decided to kill Cheers, which was a shoe-in for Top 5, to launch We Found Love and shift radio’s attention to that.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 9, 2018 7:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by toomuchboy on Feb 9, 2018 19:30:14 GMT -5
This is being used in The View’s new ads, featuring clips of their interviews of Rose McGowan, Aly Raisman, Hillary Clinton, etc. (They were using Clarkson’s “Love So Soft” a couple of months ago.)
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Post by upsidedown on Feb 10, 2018 6:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 11, 2018 7:11:23 GMT -5
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Post by leonagwen on Feb 11, 2018 8:05:27 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Feb 12, 2018 3:21:33 GMT -5
Apparently it didn't do well overseas, but I think "Learn to Let Go" would be doing better on CHR than "Woman" is right now and had the best chance of being a hit out of anything on Rainbow. This one is looking like a flop, sadly. :/
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 12, 2018 7:48:40 GMT -5
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Post by thescreamqueer on Feb 12, 2018 7:55:51 GMT -5
Apparently it didn't do well overseas, but I think "Learn to Let Go" would be doing better on CHR than "Woman" is right now and had the best chance of being a hit out of anything on Rainbow. This one is looking like a flop, sadly. :/ The song is currently #165 & #926 on iTunes. It's barely even started making an impact. That and spins are still rising and HAC is actually doing pretty great. It's still fresh. I have faith this is just the beginning!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 13:44:33 GMT -5
And for the 5th or 6th time, your counter is missing my point. We simply have different opinions about how we would handle this project and it’s singles. Top 40 before the adds date is a given for anyone with a name. Praying was/ is a hit, so anything with an adds date was going to do that, and she does have a lot of industry rooting for her success. It’s not as black and white as whether Praying was seeing positive or negative updates. Im looking at the situation as a bigger picture. With knowledge of how hard her recording life is behind the scenes, she needs more than a hit to solidify successful career longevity going forward. She needs a strong era that goes at least 3 singles deep to have leverage in future recording disputes/creative control issues she will undoubtedly face, and could likely see a court room. Eras are shorter and shorter in the age of streaming, and people chew up the music, then look to Spotify to see what’s else is trending. If a song is gaining modestly, and lingering Top 10 for a month, it’s time for another single, as you only have so much time where people care about the record and the next output (aka Hype window). This is where we can agree to disagree on strategy. Completely different circumstance, but a situation where this type of judgement was exercised was when Rihanna’s team decided to kill Cheers, which was a shoe-in for Top 5, to launch We Found Love and shift radio’s attention to that. I think a more apt comparison of how Woman should have been handled is Kelly's Stronger era. MKIA peaked in either October or November, but releasing WDKY on its heels would possibly have shortened the era considerably (as there was nothing else on the album that was an 'obvious' hit for the time). So the label chose to send WDKY out in January 2012 - but Kelly herself was performing it or making sure it appeared in various places in November and December of 2011 (as well as continued promo that January/February), which really helped it take off when it was finally an 'official' single. If Kelly had not put in all that work beforehand, I'm not sure WDKY would have taken off to the extent that it did. It certainly would have taken longer. I can see where you're coming from though in the sense that, if Kesha/RCA knew she wouldn't be booking a lot of (or really, any) promo after October/November, then they should have rushed single #2 out to ride off the steam that Praying had; otherwise, any song she chose to send out later than that was going to struggle. But generally, I agree with Au$tin that said lack of promotion is the bigger blunder here than the slightly delayed release. Increased exposure means increased streaming, which can help a song out regardless of attention spans or radio initially being slow to get on board. Honestly that's something I would probably put more on Kesha's team than on RCA, b/c appearances and sync opportunities are more often management's responsibility (though a label can definitely lend its weight). But I know Kesha's situation BTS is still fucked up in some ways so she may be facing hurdles that we don't know about; and I think she was also really anxious to jump into her tour to prove she still had a fanbase so that obviously took up a lot of her schedule. Still, at the least she should have been making the late night rounds with Woman.
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Post by maine on Feb 12, 2018 13:46:10 GMT -5
Okay, yeah, I don't like this. The production is really nice with the horns, but overall the song is annoying. I really seeing this burn out hard later in its run. No way this comes close to having the longevity of "Praying".
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Post by Choco on Feb 12, 2018 20:05:52 GMT -5
Okay, yeah, I don't like this. The production is really nice with the horns, but overall the song is annoying. I really seeing this burn out hard later in its run. No way this comes close to having the longevity of "Praying". Agree with all your points. I kept this on my playlist for about a month but dropped it the other day because I realized there were much better Kesha tracks to listen to (cofcof learntoletgocofcof).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 21:15:21 GMT -5
I really enjoy Woman, but also agree that LTLG would have been a vastly superior choice. Woman should have been #3 or #4.
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Post by Dylan :) on Feb 13, 2018 4:40:42 GMT -5
I agree this burns FAST. The second part of the chorus is way too underwhelming and the bridge is way too long
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 13, 2018 7:10:02 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 14, 2018 9:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 14, 2018 10:47:37 GMT -5
Interesting about the burn because oddly enough this track is probably the one that's burned the least on me from the entire album. Other than Praying.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 15, 2018 7:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 16, 2018 9:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by upsidedown on Feb 16, 2018 15:27:35 GMT -5
While her and her label have been pretty non existent in doing *anything* for this track, I think the reason it's doing nothing is a combo of all of these things. She's not doing anything, the label is doing nothing. Good Old Days has great call outs and is holding steady/finally about to reach Top 10, and Praying is still getting substantial Recurrent play.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 16, 2018 20:59:57 GMT -5
Heard this on a local Hot AC for the first time tonight (and about 30 minutes after they played Kelly's IDTAY too!) and it sounds great on the radio! The edit is much less in your face than I was expecting.
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Post by Az Paynter on Feb 17, 2018 7:18:38 GMT -5
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