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Post by Red on Sept 8, 2017 23:12:03 GMT -5
Listened to this...and yeah, good lord, Broken Machine is so good. Wow. Right up there with Creeper and TWOD as my favorite albums of the year so far. Of course, still have to listen to new National, but this is going to be, at minimum, top 10 at the end of the year.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Sept 9, 2017 0:09:16 GMT -5
For what it's worth I don't think it's done yet; it has roughly 123 spins on my count, but U2 and Beck are gonna hinder the song's chances of entering top 50. It's just moving really slowly.
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 9, 2017 0:12:44 GMT -5
maybe if this flops they'll push Amsterdam except harder and then the entire panel will be captivated and it takes #1 for 15 weeks and becomes the winter 2017-18 smash
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Post by thirddegree50123 on Oct 6, 2017 9:34:32 GMT -5
I can't believe this bombed as badly as it did. This is just about the best song I've heard all year. I get it's a little mellow for a lead single but geez
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Post by maine on Oct 6, 2017 9:45:28 GMT -5
This is phenomenal. It deserved so much better.
With that said, they should have led with "Amsterdam". It was a better lead choice for radio.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 6, 2017 10:17:59 GMT -5
They probably got scared that Amsterdam was too loud for the eunuch Alt fans of today
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Post by Red on Oct 6, 2017 16:56:57 GMT -5
"Trip Switch" was a #1 Alt hit. It baffles me that they thought going slower would be the correct move, when their biggest radio hit was "TRIP SWITCH".
Half of the album would have been a better choice to push as a first single, let alone "Amsterdam".
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Post by Troy on Oct 6, 2017 21:57:49 GMT -5
They probably got scared that Amsterdam was too loud for the eunuch Alt fans of today I generally tend to avoid the loud songs, but I LOVE Amsterdam...if I like a heavy guitar song then it usually does well on the Alt charts
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Post by No Brake$ on Oct 7, 2017 8:32:32 GMT -5
This era bombed so bad I think most people will think it never happened and they can technically put something else out in 18 months and maybe not lose momentum.
They kind of remind me of Travis in a way where they had tons of hype, critical acclaim, and then it was if the second album never even happened. It’s too bad. I really like this song.
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Post by maine on Oct 7, 2017 9:18:36 GMT -5
who is Travis
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Post by Red on Oct 7, 2017 9:46:25 GMT -5
Fair question, because they really were not a big deal in the US. They were a MUCH bigger deal in the UK. At their peak, around 1999 to 2001, they were getting top ten hits with every single release. Their biggest hit in the UK was "Sing" (peaked at #3), but it barely scraped the top 40 on Alt radio. Their biggest hit in the States didn't even chart on Alt, but it WAS a top 20 hit on Hot AC, and I remember VH1 playing the video a lot:
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Post by ben777 on Oct 7, 2017 10:02:30 GMT -5
If they still think Amsterdam could be a hit, it's not too late- Sorry didn't even chart, so nobody even knows it happened
I just know that the ITunes sales bar for Amsterdam was really low
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Post by maine on Oct 7, 2017 10:20:44 GMT -5
If they still think Amsterdam could be a hit, it's not too late- Sorry didn't even chart, so nobody even knows it happened I just know that the ITunes sales bar for Amsterdam was really low "Amsterdam" is the second best selling song on the album, and that's only because it's behind "Sorry" which is the US single. They definitely shouldn't just give up on the era. Send "Amsterdam" or send a third single to all countries at once. I don't really remember anything on the album, so I don't know what they could use.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Oct 7, 2017 17:34:32 GMT -5
Forgot the album even came out.
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Post by rainie on Oct 7, 2017 19:58:32 GMT -5
Sadly I think sales tell the story -- as much as I like Amsterdam and want it to be a hit, the GP doesn't seem to be interested in these guys (which is why Wake Up Call had an early demise iirc) and there's not much they can do to change this. They could try sending Amsterdam, but I frankly don't see it going any higher then top 40, if that, since it's a somewhat heavy song with poor sales that's coming off a flop single.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 7, 2017 20:11:40 GMT -5
I've really grown to hate the use of sales in Alt radio... this is the one format that should be independent to that crap, and it's only started recently. If "Letters From the Sky" or "Sweet Disposition" came out today, no way would they be Top 10 hits, and crap like that really boils my blood. It only aids in the influence of Pop in the chart.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 7, 2017 20:12:22 GMT -5
Also, "Writing to Reach You" is Travis' best song, then "Why Does It Always Rain on Me?", and "Turn", although admittedly those are the only three Travis songs I know, I love them all a lot. Shame they couldn't even dent Alt radio.
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Post by rainie on Oct 7, 2017 21:08:12 GMT -5
I've really grown to hate the use of sales in Alt radio... this is the one format that should be independent to that crap, and it's only started recently. If "Letters From the Sky" or "Sweet Disposition" came out today, no way would they be Top 10 hits, and crap like that really boils my blood. It only aids in the influence of Pop in the chart. Meh, I don't like the *result* of sales' influence a lot of the time, but I actually think that it's a fairly important component of any radio chart. It makes it more influenced by what the target audience wants to hear and less about what radio PDs think people should be listening to or what songs have the most money spent on them by the label.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 7, 2017 21:11:29 GMT -5
I've really grown to hate the use of sales in Alt radio... this is the one format that should be independent to that crap, and it's only started recently. If "Letters From the Sky" or "Sweet Disposition" came out today, no way would they be Top 10 hits, and crap like that really boils my blood. It only aids in the influence of Pop in the chart. Meh, I don't like the *result* of sales' influence a lot of the time, but I actually think that it's a fairly important component of any radio chart. It makes it more influenced by what the target audience wants to hear and less about what radio PDs think people should be listening to or what songs have the most money spent on them by the label. Well radio PDs often have better taste than the target public these days. Sales should matter for Pop, but sales determining what songs get big on Alt is what caused all these random nobodies becoming Alt forces out of nowhere.
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Post by rainie on Oct 7, 2017 21:22:20 GMT -5
Meh, I don't like the *result* of sales' influence a lot of the time, but I actually think that it's a fairly important component of any radio chart. It makes it more influenced by what the target audience wants to hear and less about what radio PDs think people should be listening to or what songs have the most money spent on them by the label. Well radio PDs often have better taste than the target public these days. Sales should matter for Pop, but sales determining what songs get big on Alt is what caused all these random nobodies becoming Alt forces out of nowhere. ...you realize that The Temper Trap and Civil Twilight were random nobodies at the time Sweet Disposition and Letters from the Sky hit right? I agree that alt radio PDs seemingly have better taste then the public these days, but what if they didn't? In general having this sort of thing chosen by executives rather then the people listening isn't a good idea for multiple reasons, and plus what songs have good sales at any given moment isn't necessarily determined by how poppy they are (look at how good Run's sales were for a while). We don't honestly know how different the charts would look if they had more of an influence, and considering that the OTV picks are chosen at least partly based off them, maybe we should be glad we don't haha.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 7, 2017 21:25:04 GMT -5
Well radio PDs often have better taste than the target public these days. Sales should matter for Pop, but sales determining what songs get big on Alt is what caused all these random nobodies becoming Alt forces out of nowhere. ...you realize that The Temper Trap and Civil Twilight were random nobodies at the time Sweet Disposition and Letters from the Sky hit right? I agree that alt radio PDs seemingly have better taste then the public these days, but what if they didn't? In general having this sort of thing chosen by executives rather then the people listening isn't a good idea for multiple reasons, and plus what songs have good sales at any given moment isn't necessarily determined by how poppy they are (look at how good Run's sales were for a while). We don't honestly know how different the charts would look if they had more of an influence, and considering that the OTV picks are chosen at least partly based off them, maybe we should be glad we don't haha. They weren't forces though. They had one hit and then promptly left. Besides, like I said, if radio PDs were the ones picking Temper Trap and Civil Twilight, good for them. I wish they were still around.
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Post by ben777 on Oct 8, 2017 19:51:54 GMT -5
Wait, just to clarify, I only brought up the sales bar to show why NBT probably chose Sorry as the first single over Amsterdam
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 8, 2017 23:22:34 GMT -5
heh clarify
If they send Amsterdam it would be as if this never existed. It didn't even scrape Top 50 (pathetic), I don't think 92.3 KRock is on the panel cuz they play it a lot
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Post by ben777 on Oct 9, 2017 0:14:10 GMT -5
I meant the band probably used the sales bar cause there were all these posts afterwards about radio stations and sales I can't post w/o sounding nerdy
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Oct 9, 2017 2:21:05 GMT -5
This is currently #59 on Alt with 145 spins.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 12, 2017 0:42:47 GMT -5
It's probably better off if this doesn't even make Top 50 so they can pretend that "Amsterdam" was the lead all along
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Oct 12, 2017 0:51:05 GMT -5
"Sorry" is what the band should be telling us, for not releasing "Amsterdam" as the first single.
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Post by Red on Oct 12, 2017 1:36:04 GMT -5
I won't lie...for purely selfish (and chart-related) reasons, I kind of want them to push "I'm Not Made by Design" instead. :kii:
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Post by Lordef†ones on Oct 12, 2017 13:38:55 GMT -5
They should push literally any other song on the album besides this one.
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Post by Web on Oct 12, 2017 14:06:00 GMT -5
Either Amsterdam or I'm Not Made My Design would crush it imo, Sorry was too subdued for a band not that established on the format.
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