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Post by Wave. on Jul 27, 2017 14:18:03 GMT -5
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Post by wjr15 on Jul 27, 2017 14:31:19 GMT -5
Yaassss queen Katy!!!!
But seriously, this is a smart PR move by her team. If Katy does a good job hosting, it might take her out of the 'uncool' image that a lot of the public seems to have for her. Plus it should help boost Witness sales, help as promo for her tour since its right before her tour starts, and it's a good hosting gig before her American Idol judging.
All she needs is a performance (which is pretty likely now), and/or the Vanguard Award and she will be sailing high into the end of the year.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 27, 2017 14:54:53 GMT -5
She's not going to get the Vanguard Award if she's hosting... That'd be stupid. Wonder who is going to get it.. Eminem?
Anyway, she hosted EMAs a few years back and did well for what I remember
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 27, 2017 15:03:06 GMT -5
Eh, I think this this was probably orchestrated before the era started and doesn't feel like a great move to me at this juncture. The VMAs are basically all about the social media response at this point, and that hasn't been in Katy's favor this year. If she does a good-to-serviceable job, it will go largely unnoticed and do little for the era outside of a small/decent bump in sales for a week. If she's awkward or fumbles or does something less than ideal, the internet will pounce.
And I feel like the latter is more likely, given the way her interviews have gone. She just doesn't strike me as someone who can carry a whole show well. It's a tough job, and people are generally merciless with hosts across award shows of all kinds (see: nearly any Oscar telecast).
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Post by Caviar on Jul 27, 2017 15:32:24 GMT -5
VMA's confirmed she's also hosting. Duh
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 27, 2017 16:14:41 GMT -5
This is going to be just as underwhelming as when Miley hosted in 2015. The only difference is that show had more memorable nominations, but unfortunately the performances were dead in the water.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 27, 2017 19:50:03 GMT -5
Katy Perry is hosting. It could go either way, but regardless, I don't think there was a way to make worse hosting decisions than what they tried last year. These girls have it so easy today.. Katy flops miserably and she gets to host an award show. I'm mystified!
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Post by DJ General on Jul 27, 2017 23:17:45 GMT -5
She's not going to get the Vanguard Award if she's hosting... That'd be stupid. Wonder who is going to get it.. Eminem? Anyway, she hosted EMAs a few years back and did well for what I remember It would be interesting if Eminem got it coupled with his big return and potential final album release
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Post by carriefan15 on Jul 27, 2017 23:38:45 GMT -5
How is Lorde an Artist of the Year nominee? Arianna Grande nod seems out of place too, but to a much lesser extent
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 28, 2017 1:49:45 GMT -5
Lorde is by far the biggest alternative star at the moment and have a huge following among young people. My friend was at Roskilde festival and 15-18 year old girls were crying when she performed. She's such a role model to them.
Ariana Grande...well probably because of the Manchester events and especially the concert which did wonders to her (the album is still top 100 after being long gone before the incident)
I totally see the AOTY category being more about achievements and impact than commercial hits
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Post by carriefan15 on Jul 28, 2017 13:16:54 GMT -5
^ Makes sense. Thanks!
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Post by BDGeek on Jul 28, 2017 18:02:41 GMT -5
You mean over 30 right? People 21 and under seem to be their audience now since they partnered with some "social media personalities" to announce the nominations. I don't know who these kids are and I don't care either. ngl I can't really get mad at this particular set of nominees b/c when I was trying to come up with some predicted nominees/performers some days ago, I couldn't even think of that many. I don't know if this means I'm out of touch, if it's because all the 'cool' celebs are in an off-season, or if that's just how low the overall star power is in the latest crop of so-called celebrities, but I'm not even sure if it's worth it to get riled up on how the VMAs dropped the ball this year when there wasn't much of a ball to grab on to in the first place. I also feel like we're on the verge of televised award shows in general being passe, which for music is rather unfortunate because the award show is maybe the last remaining outlet for being able to reach the masses at once. Everything else is so fragmented.I think the latter bolded point speaks to the former. The internet/streaming allows more artists to get their music out there than ever before. This causes an oversaturation of artists in the public consciousness, in that the sheer number of artists one could listen to is so great that no one artist stands out anymore. Album eras come and go in the blink of an eye as our decreasing attention spans slip into FOMO, making room for the next set of releases we'll forget about even faster. Couple this with an increase in the availability of affordable recording technology, much of which is synth-driven and includes built-in pitch correction software. This also allows artists to churn out musical product more quickly than before. Thus, they are less dependent on practicing musical instruments or their voice. Why bother perfecting either skill when the computer can do it for you? I think the major labels are so overwhelmed by the above that they can no longer afford to take risks on artists that push the envelope. They need an inoffensive musical product to sell, as quickly as they can get it. Thus, they push the blandest artists/songs that can appeal to the broadest swath of listeners. It's similar to the concept of vanilla ice cream. Rarely does anyone call vanilla their favorite flavor. Yet vanilla is the highest-selling ice cream flavor because it is less polarizing than rocky road or caramel praline. I'm not saying all of today's artists are lazy or untalented, or that electronic music is inferior to music played by traditional instruments. But I think the above factors result in a lack of musical innovation, and thus a lack of standout artists to dominate the charts.
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Post by upsidedown on Jul 29, 2017 5:33:54 GMT -5
The point is that while VMAs will try and cater to that younger audience, the younger audience doesn't care about the VMAs like we all once did. They have no loyalty to it. When we, and everyone else were the *target* young demographic for the VMAs, it was a cultural event. Now, I'm pretty sure *everyone* young and old sees it as a non-event.
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Post by Caviar on Jul 30, 2017 10:40:31 GMT -5
FWIW vanilla is my favorite ice cream.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 30, 2017 14:20:47 GMT -5
The point is that while VMAs will try and cater to that younger audience, the younger audience doesn't care about the VMAs like we all once did. They have no loyalty to it. When we, and everyone else were the *target* young demographic for the VMAs, it was a cultural event. Now, I'm pretty sure *everyone* young and old sees it as a non-event. This is a good point... many awards show has sort of deeper meaning behind it, especially Grammys, but on the other hand the Billboard Music Awards are trash in terms of awards themselves, everyone knows who is going to win each category. But they are good at recognizing icons and historical aspect of pop which VMAs have failed to do in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 17:53:35 GMT -5
The point is that while VMAs will try and cater to that younger audience, the younger audience doesn't care about the VMAs like we all once did. They have no loyalty to it. When we, and everyone else were the *target* young demographic for the VMAs, it was a cultural event. Now, I'm pretty sure *everyone* young and old sees it as a non-event. This is a good point... many awards show has sort of deeper meaning behind it, especially Grammys, but on the other hand the Billboard Music Awards are trash in terms of awards themselves, everyone knows who is going to win each category. But they are good at recognizing icons and historical aspect of pop which VMAs have failed to do in recent years. Well, in that case it's no wonder the VMAs are lost (and have been for a while). The original 'deeper' meaning for the VMAs was to be the 'anti' awards show. It was meant to recognize the artists that their young audience was actually listening to and to be spontaneous and less pretentious than the Grammys or AMAs felt. There was a little bit of overlap but for the most part the VMAs were recognizing subcultures that the Grammy/AMA crowds mostly paid dust to - heavy rock, youth-driven pop, and later on contemporary r&b and hip-hop. At some point the tastes of the VMA crowd and the Grammy crowd became one and the same, which made it hard if not impossible for MTV to maintain that counterculture status. How is one counter to its own existence? I think in one of its past-VMA specials one of the VJs pointed this conundrum out, so it's not like MTV isn't aware that it happened. But I don't get the sense that the heads at MTV have given that reflection much thought, and even if they have I don't know if there's a way for the VMAs to get back to its old essence. MTV decided to give up on music almost entirely years ago except for the awards show, so the network as a whole hasn't been keeping in touch with musical pop culture, never mind trying to shape or influence it. The show could go back to its counterculture roots but for today that would mean pursuing a lot of lesser-known acts; assuming the viewership it does get is from mainstream music fans, this will necessarily result in at least a short term loss of viewers. I think the network as a whole no longer has an identifiable brand and they're just riding off whatever little steam is left of their old identity.
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 31, 2017 2:17:50 GMT -5
Hmm that's a bit of a chicken and egg situation then
Because by going back to the counterculture roots (awarding and praising teen acts like Noah Cyrus and obscure rappers) people are always gonna complain they are snubbing Lady Gaga.
What I like about the VMAs is that they have always reflected the time more than other award ceremonies. Looking at 2005, there was the ridiculous hip hop edition featuring R. Kelly's soap opera and several yachts. In 2007 there was the Las Vegas mess which thank God didn't happen again, and in 2013 there was the Miley/Robin Thicke controversy which I think boosted a lot the discussion about sexual exploitation of women in showbiz. I don't think that could've happened at the Grammys.
To us, it may seem that they have lost it because they are constantly changing and trying hard to stay relevant but I believe their purpose is to change and have a show that brings back the time when reading through Wikipedia 10 years after. Like "oh look there was a time Iggy Azalea was a thing"
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 2, 2017 17:47:02 GMT -5
I think big celebrities and stars and stuff still exists. It has just moved from music to Viners/Instagrammers/the Kardashians. However, I do agree with everything else (ease of access to music, talent VS sales, electronic music, pitch correction, etc). I am pretty excited for this, actually I think I am one of the few people (on here, at least) who still really enjoys award shows. I am hoping some good people perform!
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Post by XXX. on Aug 3, 2017 1:16:12 GMT -5
Wow, MTV hit an all new low this year. First of all, removing Best Male and Best Female Video. Everyone knows that MTV is very "PC" nowadays, so maybe they got rid of the categories because all this "no gender" nonsense. Or maybe they were just wanted to switch things up, I don't know. Though replacing them with Artist of the Year makes no sense, this is a Music Video award show. Why are we giving categories to just the artist? It removes everything unique the VMA's had. Second of all, trying to fit only black artists in the Video of the Year category. This year is the first year that the coveted award has only black artists. A noble feat, but it wasn't executed well. There was so many great videos made by black artists this year, but of course modern MTV has never been good with their picks. There was so many obvious choices, "That's What I Like," "Tunnel Vision," "Wyclef Jean," "DNA," "Story of O.J.," "iSpy," "I Feel It Coming," f**king anything by SZA. I mean, c'mon! - Plus so many other great videos by other ethnic groups snubbed. Because MTV likes to push a black agenda, f**k everyone else I guess. Third of all, snubbing Lady Gaga and Linkin Park. Both of these artists helped boost MTV's popularity in their respective era's, and not nominating them is treason. Fourth of all, the "Fight Against The System" category. This speaks for itself, look how stupid that sounds. MTV, you're not MLK. Fifth of all, how randomly some categories will have 5 nominees or 6 nominees. The entire nominations look unorganized, like MTV forgot the VMA's existed (like everyone else) and decided to cobble up the nominations in 15 minutes. That's all, but it perfectly showcases how much the VMA's have fallen from grace. The VMA's and MTV have been declining for years now, but this year seems like the official death. I stopped reading your post as soon as you started with the "black" thing. What relevance does that have? And furthermore, Alessia Cara and Bruno Mars are not black.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 3, 2017 1:45:31 GMT -5
Wow, MTV hit an all new low this year. First of all, removing Best Male and Best Female Video. Everyone knows that MTV is very "PC" nowadays, so maybe they got rid of the categories because all this "no gender" nonsense. Or maybe they were just wanted to switch things up, I don't know. Though replacing them with Artist of the Year makes no sense, this is a Music Video award show. Why are we giving categories to just the artist? It removes everything unique the VMA's had. Second of all, trying to fit only black artists in the Video of the Year category. This year is the first year that the coveted award has only black artists. A noble feat, but it wasn't executed well. There was so many great videos made by black artists this year, but of course modern MTV has never been good with their picks. There was so many obvious choices, "That's What I Like," "Tunnel Vision," "Wyclef Jean," "DNA," "Story of O.J.," "iSpy," "I Feel It Coming," f**king anything by SZA. I mean, c'mon! - Plus so many other great videos by other ethnic groups snubbed. Because MTV likes to push a black agenda, f**k everyone else I guess. Third of all, snubbing Lady Gaga and Linkin Park. Both of these artists helped boost MTV's popularity in their respective era's, and not nominating them is treason. Fourth of all, the "Fight Against The System" category. This speaks for itself, look how stupid that sounds. MTV, you're not MLK. Fifth of all, how randomly some categories will have 5 nominees or 6 nominees. The entire nominations look unorganized, like MTV forgot the VMA's existed (like everyone else) and decided to cobble up the nominations in 15 minutes. That's all, but it perfectly showcases how much the VMA's have fallen from grace. The VMA's and MTV have been declining for years now, but this year seems like the official death. I stopped reading your post as soon as you started with the "black" thing. What relevance does that have? And furthermore, Alessia Cara and Bruno Mars are not black. They are both Ethnic. What I'm saying is that MTV obviously wanted to get an all ethnic VOTY nom, which is fine and dandy, but at least nominate better videos. DNA totally deserved a VOTY nod, or a nomination at all.
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Post by Wave. on Aug 3, 2017 11:58:49 GMT -5
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 3, 2017 13:09:03 GMT -5
Great, they have finally got main show slot
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Post by Caviar on Aug 7, 2017 12:27:36 GMT -5
Lorde, Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd have been announced as performers.
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Post by lostinhavana on Aug 7, 2017 13:13:40 GMT -5
I wonder what ed will perform I want him to do a last push on castle but again it's dying on radio so maybe perfect?
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Post by Harx on Aug 7, 2017 13:19:33 GMT -5
I love Castle On The Hill but that song is done and at this point it won't peak any higher anywhere. It had an amazing run as a single both worldwide and in the US. I want something new, I want him to perform next single, and his next single is most likely going to be "Perfect".
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Post by Caviar on Aug 7, 2017 13:21:17 GMT -5
Shawn Mendes, 30 Seconds To Mars (whew?), Miley Cyrus, and 5H also announced.
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 7, 2017 14:35:35 GMT -5
I thought Galway Girl was the third single from Divide?
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 7, 2017 14:40:23 GMT -5
Nice line up so far Hoping Demi and Selena can squeeze in
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Post by Normi on Aug 7, 2017 15:11:38 GMT -5
I thought Galway Girl was the third single from Divide? 3rd Worldwide single but not US
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Post by anafan on Aug 7, 2017 19:58:39 GMT -5
Not a bad list so far.
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