Billboard Hot 100 8/12/17

[Au$tin]

Jul 30, 2017 10:29:07 GMT -5 imbondz said:

I definitely wondered why Cowboy Casanova didn't cross over. Not sure how Before He Cheats is 'less country' sounding than CC tho. If I Die Young is just a great song with insanely good lyrics. What I hear you're saying though is that pop radio is stuck in its 'genre' and won't branch out.

Yeah, "Before He Cheats" was a bonafide fluke. It never got a real big push, never got a pop mix, it just... happened. Which is amazing, but it's since been the only country song to cross over on its own.

I wouldn't really say it's pop radio that's suck because there's plenty of variety on the format. Hip-hop, rap, rock, and pop are all showcased in pop's top ten at the moment. The problem is how country music is viewed by those outside of the country market. The image, so to speak, isn't one that a lot of people can get behind. If only they would just try to release their music outside of the country market, I believe that image would drastically change.

Though, a Thomas Rhett song was recently added to Spotify's Today's Top Hits, so that's a sign that maybe things are starting to change.

[NeRD]

Jul 30, 2017 10:39:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jul 30, 2017 10:29:07 GMT -5 imbondz said:

I definitely wondered why Cowboy Casanova didn't cross over. Not sure how Before He Cheats is 'less country' sounding than CC tho. If I Die Young is just a great song with insanely good lyrics. What I hear you're saying though is that pop radio is stuck in its 'genre' and won't branch out.

Yeah, "Before He Cheats" was a bonafide fluke. It never got a real big push, never got a pop mix, it just... happened. Which is amazing, but it's since been the only country song to cross over on its own.

I wouldn't really say it's pop radio that's suck because there's plenty of variety on the format. Hip-hop, rap, rock, and pop are all showcased in pop's top ten at the moment. The problem is how country music is viewed by those outside of the country market. The image, so to speak, isn't one that a lot of people can get behind. If only they would just try to release their music outside of the country market, I believe that image would drastically change.

Though, a Thomas Rhett song was recently added to Spotify's Today's Top Hits, so that's a sign that maybe things are starting to change.

Don't think this is true?

[Au$tin]

Jul 30, 2017 10:45:21 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Jul 30, 2017 10:39:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Yeah, "Before He Cheats" was a bonafide fluke. It never got a real big push, never got a pop mix, it just... happened. Which is amazing, but it's since been the only country song to cross over on its own.

I wouldn't really say it's pop radio that's suck because there's plenty of variety on the format. Hip-hop, rap, rock, and pop are all showcased in pop's top ten at the moment. The problem is how country music is viewed by those outside of the country market. The image, so to speak, isn't one that a lot of people can get behind. If only they would just try to release their music outside of the country market, I believe that image would drastically change.

Though, a Thomas Rhett song was recently added to Spotify's Today's Top Hits, so that's a sign that maybe things are starting to change.

Don't think this is true?

All other country songs to have crossed over successfully since "Before He Cheats" have gotten an actual push to do so. "Need You Now," "Wanted," "If I Die Young," all of Taylor's hits, "Body Like a Back Road," etc. There have been a few to get a little traction on their own, but they always fizzle out right as they near or barely enter the top 50 on pop, such as "Don't You Wanna Stay."

I'm sure there have been a few to crossover decently to hot AC or AC on their own without a push, though probably not many.

[Leo ✔]

Yeah I agree. The Fighter is a smash on its own, but without a push it wont be able to do something

[kcdawg13]

Pop radio is too stuck in it's own world, they don't play anything slightly different, even if it's hitting everywhere. Black Beatles and Bad and Boujee were #1 back to back and Pop wouldn't play them, even though they were the biggest songs in the country. Just a few months ago Humble was #1 and Pop refused to play that song.

Let's take a look at two huge Country hits right now: The Fighter and Craving You. Both which have been doing quite a lot over at Country radio, but Pop refuses to play them. Why? Well, because the names. You can barely call those songs country, aside from an instrument, they are essentially pop songs. But because Urban, Underwood, Rhett, and Morris are connected to them, Pop won't play them. The programmers are afraid that those songs will get a really negative reaction because Country is such a polarizing genre, despite being the biggest in the country.

Even Body Like A Backroad, which has crossovered. I still can't hear without an ad right before talking about the hottest local country stations. It's really sad honestly, Pop radio is too scared to branch out from it's regular format, they'd rather play boring mush like Issues and Say You Won't Let Go all day and not the real hits.

[NeRD]

Jul 30, 2017 11:02:03 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jul 30, 2017 10:45:21 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Don't think this is true?

All other country songs to have crossed over successfully since "Before He Cheats" have gotten an actual push to do so. "Need You Now," "Wanted," "If I Die Young," all of Taylor's hits, "Body Like a Back Road," etc. There have been a few to get a little traction on their own, but they always fizzle out right as they near or barely enter the top 50 on pop, such as "Don't You Wanna Stay."

I'm sure there have been a few to crossover decently to hot AC or AC on their own without a push, though probably not many.

I'll take your word for it.

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

August 11, 1962

01 02 Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 01 Roses Are Red - Bobby Vinton
03 04 The Wah Watusi - The Orlons
04 08 The Loco-Motion - Little Eva
05 05 Ahab, The Arab - Ray Stevens
06 06 Speedy Gonzales - Pat Boone
07 03 Sealed With a Kiss - Brian Hyland
08 13 You'll Lose a Good Thing - Barbara Lynn
09 16 Things - Bobby Darin
10 09 The Stripper - David Rose & His Orchestra


August 12, 1967

01 01 Light My Fire - The Doors (3rd and final week at #1)
02 03 All You Need Is Love - The Beatles
03 02 I Was Made To Love Her - Stevie Wonder
04 09 Pleasant Valley Sunday - The Monkees
05 07 Mercy, Mercy, Mercy - The Buckinghams
06 06 Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You - Frankie Valli
07 05 A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum
08 04 Windy - The Association
09 16 Carrie Ann - The Hollies
10 11 A Girl Like You - The Young Rascals


August 12, 1972

01 01 Alone Again (Naturally) - Gilbert O'Sullivan (3rd of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Brandy (You're a Fine Girl) - Looking Glass
03 03 (If Loving You Is Wrong) I Don't Want To Be Right - Luther Ingram
04 04 Daddy Don't You Walk So Fast - Wayne Newton
05 06 Where Is The Love - Roberta Flack & Donny Hathaway
06 09 Long Cool Woman (In a Black Dress) - The Hollies
07 15 I'm Still In Love With You - Al Green
08 05 Too Late To Turn Back Now - The Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose
09 08 How Do You Do - Mouth & MacNeal
10 07 School's Out - Alice Cooper


August 13, 1977

01 01 I Just Want To Be Your Everything - Andy Gibb (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 I'm In You - Peter Frampton
03 03 Best Of My Love - The Emotions
04 07 (Your Love Has Lifted Me) Higher And Higher - Rita Coolidge
05 05 Do You Wanna Make Love - Peter McCann
06 04 My Heart Belongs To Me - Barbra Streisand
07 08 Easy - The Commodores
08 09 Whatcha Gonna Do - deleted Cruise
09 10 You And Me - Alice Cooper
10 11 You Made Me Believe In Magic - The Bay City Rollers

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

August 14, 1982

01 01 Eye Of The Tiger - Survivor (4th of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Hurts So Good - John (Cougar) Mellencamp
03 03 Abracadabra - The Steve Miller Band
04 04 Hold Me - Fleetwood Mac
05 05 Hard To Say I'm Sorry - Chicago
06 07 Even The Nights Are Better - Air Supply
07 08 Keep The Burnin' - REO Speedwagon
08 06 Rosanna - Toto
09 12 Vacation - The Go-Go's
10 11 Wasted On The Way - Crosby, Stills & Nash


August 15, 1987

01 01 I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For - U2 (2nd and final week at #1)
02 07 Who's That Girl - Madonna
03 02 I Want Your Sex - George Michael
04 05 Luka - Suzanne Vega
05 11 La Bamba - Los Lobos
06 04 Heart And Soul - T'Pau
07 12 Don't Mean Nothing - Richard Marx
08 08 Cross My Broken Heart - The Jets
09 13 Only In My Dreams - Debbie Gibson
10 06 Rhythm Is Gonna Get You - Gloria Estefan & The Miami Sound Machine

16 37 I Just Can't Stop Loving You - Michael Jackson & Siedah Garrett


August 15, 1992

01 04 End Of The Road - Boyz II Men (1st of 13 weeks at #1)
02 03 Baby-Baby-Baby - TLC
03 01 This Used To Be My Playground - Madonna
04 02 Baby Got Back - Sir Mix-A-Lot
05 05 November Rain - Guns N' Roses
06 07 Just Another Day - Jon Secada
07 08 Life Is a Highway - Tom Cochrane
08 09 Giving Him Something He Can Feel - En Vogue
09 06 Achy Breaky Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus
10 14 Move This - Technotronic feat. Ya Kid K

11 12 Come And Talk To Me - Jodeci
15 39 Humpin' Around - Bobby Brown


August 9, 1997

01 01 I'll Be Missing You - Puff Daddy & Faith Evans feat. 112 (9th of 11 weeks at #1)
02 04 Mo Money Mo Problems - The Notorious B.I.G. feat. Puff Daddy & Mase
03 03 Quit Playing Games (With My Heart) - The Backstreet Boys
04 05 Semi-Charmed Life - Third Eye Blind
05 02 Bitch - Meredith Brooks
06 27 Not Tonight - Lil' Kim feat. Da Brat, Left Eye, Missy Elliott & Angie Martinez
07 07 Do You Know (What It Takes) - Robyn
08 08 Sunny Came Home - Shawn Colvin
09 12 How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
10 NE Never Make a Promise - Dru Hill

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

August 10, 2002

01 01 Hot In Herre - Nelly (7th and final week at #1)
02 03 Dilemma - Nelly feat. Kelly Rowland
03 02 Complicated - Avril Lavigne
04 04 I Need a Girl (Part 2) - P. Diddy & Ginuwine feat. Loon, Mario Winans & Tammy Ruggieri
05 07 Just a Friend 2002 - Mario
06 05 Hero - Chad Kroeger feat. Josey Scott
07 08 Down 4 U - Irv Gotti presents The Inc. feat. Ja Rule, Ashanti, Charli Baltimore & Vita
08 11 Heaven - DJ Sammy & Yanou feat. Do
09 06 Without Me - Eminem
10 19 Nothin' - N.O.R.E.


August 11, 2007

01 23 Beautiful Girls - Sean Kingston (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 01 Hey There Delilah - The Plain White T's
03 02 Big Girls Don't Cry - Fergie
04 03 Umbrella - Rihanna feat. Jay-Z
05 04 The Way I Are - Timbaland feat. Keri Hilson
06 10 Bartender - T-Pain feat. Akon
07 05 Party Like a Rockstar - The Shop Boyz
08 09 Buy U a Drank (Shawty Snappin') - T-Pain feat. Yung Joc
09 11 Make Me Better - Fabolous feat. Ne-Yo
10 08 A Bay Bay - Hurricane Chris


August 11, 2012

01 01 Call Me Maybe - Carly Rae Jepsen (8th of 9 weeks at #1)
02 03 Wide Awake - Katy Perry
03 02 Payphone - Maroon 5 feat. Wiz Khalifa
04 06 Whistle - Flo Rida
05 04 Lights - Ellie Goulding
06 05 Somebody That I Used To Know - Gotye feat. Kimbra
07 07 Where Have You Been - Rihanna
08 08 Titanium - David Guetta feat. Sia
09 09 Scream - Usher
10 10 Blow Me (One Last Kiss) - P!nk


August 13, 2016

01 01 Cheap Thrills - Sia feat. Sean Paul (2nd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 NE Cold Water - Major Lazer feat. Justin Bieber & MØ
03 02 One Dance - Drake feat. Wizkid & Kyla
04 03 This Is What You Came For - Calvin Harris feat. Rihanna
05 04 Can't Stop The Feeling! - Justin Timberlake
06 05 Don't Let Me Down - The Chainsmokers feat. Daya
07 06 Ride - Twenty One Pilots
08 07 Needed Me - Rihanna
09 10 Send My Love (To Your New Lover) - Adele
10 09 Panda - Desiigner

[renfield75]

Jul 30, 2017 12:20:39 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
August 15, 1992

01 04 End Of The Road - Boyz II Men (1st of 13 weeks at #1)

I was watching the charts when this happened (yeah, I'm old). It was the beginning of an incredibly exciting couple of months as Boyz II Men went on to break the record for longest running number one in Hot 100 history...kinda like the excitement everyone has now watching to see if "Despacito" can break the record. Of course Boyz II Men broke a decades old record only to have Whitney Houston snatch it away from them just a few months later! But then the Boyz (and Mariah) came back to reclaim the title...

[superdroid73]

Jul 30, 2017 11:34:39 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Pop radio is too stuck in it's own world, they don't play anything slightly different, even if it's hitting everywhere. Black Beatles and Bad and Boujee were #1 back to back and Pop wouldn't play them, even though they were the biggest songs in the country. Just a few months ago Humble was #1 and Pop refused to play that song.

Let's take a look at two huge Country hits right now: The Fighter and Craving You. Both which have been doing quite a lot over at Country radio, but Pop refuses to play them. Why? Well, because the names. You can barely call those songs country, aside from an instrument, they are essentially pop songs. But because Urban, Underwood, Rhett, and Morris are connected to them, Pop won't play them. The programmers are afraid that those songs will get a really negative reaction because Country is such a polarizing genre, despite being the biggest in the country.

Even Body Like A Backroad, which has crossovered. I still can't hear without an ad right before talking about the hottest local country stations. It's really sad honestly, Pop radio is too scared to branch out from it's regular format, they'd rather play boring mush like Issues and Say You Won't Let Go all day and not the real hits.

I really don't get why it's like this now, it didn't use to be like that. I remember back in the 90s and 2000s, rap would normally cross over. Now, it's almost impossible to hear a pure rap song on pop stations. If Bad and Boujee, Black Beatles and HUMBLE hit #1, pop radio should play them. Ignoring those songs simply because they're different from what they normally play is stupid and pretty biased.

[Bhad Bill]

Jul 30, 2017 11:40:53 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Jul 30, 2017 11:02:03 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

All other country songs to have crossed over successfully since "Before He Cheats" have gotten an actual push to do so. "Need You Now," "Wanted," "If I Die Young," all of Taylor's hits, "Body Like a Back Road," etc. There have been a few to get a little traction on their own, but they always fizzle out right as they near or barely enter the top 50 on pop, such as "Don't You Wanna Stay."

I'm sure there have been a few to crossover decently to hot AC or AC on their own without a push, though probably not many.

I'll take your word for it.

What about some of Shania's early singles? Were all of them pushed to pop? I could have sworn she was the "original" country crossover in the 1990s.

[Deleted]

No way! If Drake doesn't release anything asap, he won't have a song on Hot 100. I'm certain they will write a whole article about this

[jebsib]

No Country songs were pushed to Pop in the 1990s before Shania's "Come On Over" album EXCEPT:

- Achy Breaks Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus
- When She Cries - Restless Heart
- What Might Have Been - Little Texas
- How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes

Then the Faith Hill, Martina McBride, Lonestar, Lee Ann Womack floodgates opened.
Then everything kind of stopped until Taylor Swift.

[atg]

Jul 30, 2017 15:54:31 GMT -5 @pete said:

No way! If Drake doesn't release anything asap, he won't have a song on Hot 100. I'm certain they will write a whole article about this

Yeah i think it's finally time for it to be over. There's no singles crossing over from more life and his recent song "signs" isn't doing well either

[Gary]

Drake Watch ---- Yeah guess it is time keep an eye on this. He has 3 charting, one more than the prior week but none higher than 74

The Billboard Hot 100 2009-05-23

92 NEW 1 Best I Ever Had, Drake 92


The Billboard Hot 100 2017-08-05


74 67 51 18 Passionfruit, Drake
88 83 54 4 Signs, Drake
100 0 Re-Entry 3 No Complaints, Metro Boomin Featuring Offset & Drake

[Golden Bluebird]

Jul 30, 2017 11:34:39 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

The programmers are afraid that those songs will get a really negative reaction because Country is such a polarizing genre, despite being the biggest in the country.

I agree with a lot of your post, but I disagree with this one part. Sure, country is one of the biggest music genres in the US, but the biggest? Aren't genres like R&B/hip-hop and rock bigger though?

[Envoirment]

Jul 30, 2017 11:34:39 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Pop radio is too stuck in it's own world, they don't play anything slightly different, even if it's hitting everywhere. Black Beatles and Bad and Boujee were #1 back to back and Pop wouldn't play them, even though they were the biggest songs in the country. Just a few months ago Humble was #1 and Pop refused to play that song.

Let's take a look at two huge Country hits right now: The Fighter and Craving You. Both which have been doing quite a lot over at Country radio, but Pop refuses to play them. Why? Well, because the names. You can barely call those songs country, aside from an instrument, they are essentially pop songs. But because Urban, Underwood, Rhett, and Morris are connected to them, Pop won't play them. The programmers are afraid that those songs will get a really negative reaction because Country is such a polarizing genre, despite being the biggest in the country.

Even Body Like A Backroad, which has crossovered. I still can't hear without an ad right before talking about the hottest local country stations. It's really sad honestly, Pop radio is too scared to branch out from it's regular format, they'd rather play boring mush like Issues and Say You Won't Let Go all day and not the real hits.

Black Beatles got to #13, Humble #26 and Bad and Boujee to #31 on Pop radio. So it isn't as if they refused to outright play them.

I don't think you have a valid point in regards to country. One of the biggest reasons pop radio doesn't play country songs is because hardly any ever get pushed to pop raido. Neither of the songs you named have had an adds date for pop radio or are under cool new music. You could say it's the labels fault for not pushing country songs to pop. I mean "Body Like A Back Road" got a push to pop radio and it's doing very well, it's a very pop-leaning country song though.

Pop radio is more diverse than it has been in recents years. All sorts of songs have been getting play, particularly more R&B/Hip-hop songs. If you think the state of pop radio is bad today, you obviously haven't lived through the 2009-2011 Dance/Pop phase of pop radio (I really enjoyed that, but song diversity was very low).

[imbondz]

Jul 30, 2017 15:57:43 GMT -5 jebsib said:

No Country songs were pushed to Pop in the 1990s before Shania's "Come On Over" album EXCEPT:

- Achy Breaks Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus
- When She Cries - Restless Heart
- What Might Have Been - Little Texas
- How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes

Then the Faith Hill, Martina McBride, Lonestar, Lee Ann Womack floodgates opened.
Then everything kind of stopped until Taylor Swift.

All those were huge hits.

[jayhawk1117]

So over or under 13 for Mi Gente, the first song to capitalize in a post Despacito world. It's top 10 on Us Spotify only 3 weeks in, pretty amazing YouTube and pretty high sales for a brand new Spanish song.

[Au$tin]

Jul 30, 2017 15:31:07 GMT -5 Bhad Bill said:

Jul 30, 2017 11:40:53 GMT -5 NeRD said:

I'll take your word for it.

What about some of Shania's early singles? Were all of them pushed to pop? I could have sworn she was the "original" country crossover in the 1990s.

Well, those would all be before "Before He Cheats," so it wouldn't change the validity of my comment.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Jul 30, 2017 18:56:35 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

So over or under 13 for Mi Gente, the first song to capitalize in a post Despacito world. It's top 10 on Us Spotify only 3 weeks in, pretty amazing YouTube and pretty high sales for a brand new Spanish song.

I'll grant you that it is impressive having it in the top 10 of Spotify. On YouTube, those numbers are worldwide. According to YouTube insights, it's not even in the top 20 for last week in the US. It might get there, eventually. It seems that people in Latin American countries do like to stream their music on YouTube much more than in Spotify.

BTW, Subeme la Radio debuted in this week's UK Official Singles Chart top 100 thanks to a Sean Paul and Matt Terry. It'll be interesting to see if that remix eventually helps it in the US and whether remixing Latin Songs with English lyrics by known artists helps those songs achieve success the way it happened with Despacito.

[85la]

Jul 30, 2017 17:05:27 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Jul 30, 2017 11:34:39 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Pop radio is too stuck in it's own world, they don't play anything slightly different, even if it's hitting everywhere. Black Beatles and Bad and Boujee were #1 back to back and Pop wouldn't play them, even though they were the biggest songs in the country. Just a few months ago Humble was #1 and Pop refused to play that song.

Let's take a look at two huge Country hits right now: The Fighter and Craving You. Both which have been doing quite a lot over at Country radio, but Pop refuses to play them. Why? Well, because the names. You can barely call those songs country, aside from an instrument, they are essentially pop songs. But because Urban, Underwood, Rhett, and Morris are connected to them, Pop won't play them. The programmers are afraid that those songs will get a really negative reaction because Country is such a polarizing genre, despite being the biggest in the country.

Even Body Like A Backroad, which has crossovered. I still can't hear without an ad right before talking about the hottest local country stations. It's really sad honestly, Pop radio is too scared to branch out from it's regular format, they'd rather play boring mush like Issues and Say You Won't Let Go all day and not the real hits.

Black Beatles got to #13, Humble #26 and Bad and Boujee to #31 on Pop radio. So it isn't as if they refused to outright play them.

I don't think you have a valid point in regards to country. One of the biggest reasons pop radio doesn't play country songs is because hardly any ever get pushed to pop raido. Neither of the songs you named have had an adds date for pop radio or are under cool new music. You could say it's the labels fault for not pushing country songs to pop. I mean "Body Like A Back Road" got a push to pop radio and it's doing very well, it's a very pop-leaning country song though.

Pop radio is more diverse than it has been in recents years. All sorts of songs have been getting play, particularly more R&B/Hip-hop songs. If you think the state of pop radio is bad today, you obviously haven't lived through the 2009-2011 Dance/Pop phase of pop radio (I really enjoyed that, but song diversity was very low).

I would actually say pop radio then was more diverse than it is now. True, dance pop was the biggest genre then, but there was a still a fair amount of R&B/hip-hop songs - Beyonce, Usher, Nicki Minaj, Eminem, etc., and a fair amount of rock songs as well. If you want to talk about a time when pop radio wasn't diverse, it was the mid-2000's circa 2003-2007. Then it was R&B/hip-hop all day, all the time, around the clock.

[superdroid73]

If you want to hear a diverse pop station, you have to tune in to the AMP radio stations. They play some pure hip hop and even play some Latin music to go with the pop, and is more reflective of what's actually big on the charts.

[Envoirment]

Jul 30, 2017 20:53:49 GMT -5 85la said:

Jul 30, 2017 17:05:27 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Black Beatles got to #13, Humble #26 and Bad and Boujee to #31 on Pop radio. So it isn't as if they refused to outright play them.

I don't think you have a valid point in regards to country. One of the biggest reasons pop radio doesn't play country songs is because hardly any ever get pushed to pop raido. Neither of the songs you named have had an adds date for pop radio or are under cool new music. You could say it's the labels fault for not pushing country songs to pop. I mean "Body Like A Back Road" got a push to pop radio and it's doing very well, it's a very pop-leaning country song though.

Pop radio is more diverse than it has been in recents years. All sorts of songs have been getting play, particularly more R&B/Hip-hop songs. If you think the state of pop radio is bad today, you obviously haven't lived through the 2009-2011 Dance/Pop phase of pop radio (I really enjoyed that, but song diversity was very low).

I would actually say pop radio then was more diverse than it is now. True, dance pop was the biggest genre then, but there was a still a fair amount of R&B/hip-hop songs - Beyonce, Usher, Nicki Minaj, Eminem, etc., and a fair amount of rock songs as well. If you want to talk about a time when pop radio wasn't diverse, it was the mid-2000's circa 2003-2007. Then it was R&B/hip-hop all day, all the time, around the clock.

I wouldn't really say that. Nicki's songs were very pop-leaning and she got backlash from it. Eminem only did as well as he did on Pop radio thanks to Rihanna. Beyonce's I Am...Sasha Fierce is her most pop album. Usher was releasing pop songs as well. Usher's "OMG"/"Dj Got Us Falling In Love"/"Without You" were bang on the dance/pop trend.

I didn't have internet back in the early-mid 00s when R&B/Hip-hop was dominating so can't really comment on that (I'm from the UK).

Pop is playing a good range of songs. "Body Like A Back Road"/"Believer"/"Wild Moments"/"Stay"/"Unforgettable"/"Redbone"/"Versace on the Floor"/"That's What I Like"/"Castle on the Hill"/"Mi Gente"/"Despacito".

Good range of songs there - Rock, Latin, R&B, Hip-hop, country, dance/electronic & pop/AC (likely more genres covered than I've highlighted). I'm surprised "Redbone" and "Believer" are doing so well on pop radio. I don't think either would have been touched a few years ago.

[superdroid73]

Jul 30, 2017 21:36:08 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Jul 30, 2017 20:53:49 GMT -5 85la said:

I would actually say pop radio then was more diverse than it is now. True, dance pop was the biggest genre then, but there was a still a fair amount of R&B/hip-hop songs - Beyonce, Usher, Nicki Minaj, Eminem, etc., and a fair amount of rock songs as well. If you want to talk about a time when pop radio wasn't diverse, it was the mid-2000's circa 2003-2007. Then it was R&B/hip-hop all day, all the time, around the clock.

I wouldn't really say that. Nicki's songs were very pop-leaning and she got backlash from it. Eminem only did as well as he did on Pop radio thanks to Rihanna. Beyonce's I Am...Sasha Fierce is her most pop album. Usher was releasing pop songs as well. Usher's "OMG"/"Dj Got Us Falling In Love"/"Without You" were bang on the dance/pop trend.

I didn't have internet back in the early-mid 00s when R&B/Hip-hop was dominating so can't really comment on that (I'm from the UK).

Pop is playing a good range of songs. "Body Like A Back Road"/"Believer"/"Wild Moments"/"Stay"/"Unforgettable"/"Redbone"/"Versace on the Floor"/"That's What I Like"/"Castle on the Hill"/"Mi Gente"/"Despacito".

Good range of songs there - Rock, Latin, R&B, Hip-hop, country, dance/electronic & pop/AC (likely more genres covered than I've highlighted). I'm surprised "Redbone" and "Believer" are doing so well on pop radio. I don't think either would have been touched a few years ago.

Nah. Actually, Eminem got played on the radio at the time because of how big he was in the 2000s and because of his appeal with audiences at the time, not Rihanna. Not Afraid was played on pop radio before Love The Way You Lie, and that was without Rihanna (The Monster, however, was definitely because of Rihanna, by then his popularity among the pop crowd had fallen off). Being a white rapper also helps. Also, rap and R&B was constantly crossing over during the early and mid-2000s, but there was definitely some pop and rock in between, so diversity wasn't lacking in the 2000s. The pop stations are still reluctant to play anything that isn't from their genre regardless of how big they get (which is frustrating), but at least they're more diverse than they were at the beginning of the decade.

[Harx]

It's appropriate for Drake to end his streak of presence on Hot 100 right now because I feel like the whole Drake hype from the past couple of years has mostly faded away. He's still obviously a huge star but he might have peaked in 2016 in terms of chart success. Now he kind of stopped caring about keeping up his status of the biggest rapper alive and people's attention is moving towards other rappers, part of why did we have so many mainstream breakthroughs this year (Migos, Kendrick Lamar, Future).

[forg]

I hope Symphony can at least crack a single week on the Hot 100 after those months at bubbling under!

[kcdawg13]

Jul 30, 2017 23:21:37 GMT -5 Harx said:

It's appropriate for Drake to end his streak of presence on Hot 100 right now because I feel like the whole Drake hype from the past couple of years has mostly faded away. He's still obviously a huge star but he might have peaked in 2016 in terms of chart success. Now he kind of stopped caring about keeping up his status of the biggest rapper alive and people's attention is moving towards other rappers, part of why did we have so many mainstream breakthroughs this year (Migos, Kendrick Lamar, Future).

I think it's time for Drake to take a break, he's been doing music non-stop for over a decade now. And the public seems to be sick of him, he needs to take at least 1 or 2 years off and get away from the music scene and make his comeback late 2018/2019. It's the appropriate time.

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Drakes songs keeps getting worse and worse IMO, especially in his features as well. Although Passionfruit was ok.