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Post by theflying on Aug 3, 2018 22:49:45 GMT -5
WOW SHE PUSHED BACK THE ALBUM INDEFINITELY
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 4, 2018 6:17:33 GMT -5
Epic must be freaking out to make her go back in the studio after all theyve spent on this so far.
I'd expect to see her feature on something first before she releases another single of her own.
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Post by Mike on Aug 4, 2018 8:53:03 GMT -5
Hopefully they change the cover while they’re at it.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 4, 2018 10:23:32 GMT -5
Smart move. Wouldn’t be a cute look for this to debut with 12k but I’m also not sure what they can do with her at this point. She’s a cute, nice girl with a cute, nice voice but she brings nothing to the table as a recording artist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 10:31:09 GMT -5
Smart move. Wouldn’t be a cute look for this to debut with 12k but I’m also not sure what they can do with her at this point. She’s a cute, nice girl with a cute, nice voice but she brings nothing to the table as a recording artist. That. Very few are able to make multiple eras happen - it's just the harsh reality of the game. A big part of me always thinks its a better look for the artist to just release the album anyway and move on. But I also get the downsides to doing so, especially for the label, and it's ultimately not the artist's decision to make in most cases.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Aug 4, 2018 10:48:04 GMT -5
Wow. I honestly think her career is over, at this point. She needs to focus on songwriting for others. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is meant to be a star.
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Post by theflying on Aug 4, 2018 12:12:09 GMT -5
Online forums are so annoying re: Meghan Trainor, as exampled by some of the comments above.
HELLO, SHE HAS A FANBASE, AND A BIGGER ONE THAN 90% OF MAINSTREAM POP ARTISTS. Literally only established superstars have more fans, with a longer career than her. THAT’S the commodity — not your nonsense metrics about thinking her career is over because she didn’t have a hit on radio as the album launched (even though No Excuses almost reached top 10). Why on earth would someone who has a fanbase that has taken her through two headline tours, a Grammy, and two platinum albums need to “go back to songwriting for others, her career is over”?
It’s just so melodramatic, ridiculous, and shows how limited the perspective is of some people on these forums.
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Post by theflying on Aug 4, 2018 12:19:22 GMT -5
I also posted this in the LYBR thread:
So even though this is obviously never a good thing, here IS the good silver lining:
Something had to change. Ever since Title was finished, Meghan has been like a wheel that wasn’t quite round — even though it was like she was pretending everything was rolling smoothly.
What’s great is that the songs she released ARE GOOD. I bet the album IS GOOD. So if they see songs that ARE GOOD are not connecting to the degree that they have to push the album back indefinitely, then it’s going to force her to confront the artistic/image issues that have been percolating ever since Thank You. And she needed that.
I absolutely bet this album would’ve been considered her “best”, most cohesive, strongest body of work to date. But she HAS to figure out the disconnect between her music and the audience, and better to do it now than after a flop album release. I’m happy finally something jolted her team and her label enough that they’re confronting this. And that they don’t want her to fail.
She has a ton of talent, a ton of goodwill, lots of industry support, and a fanbase that buys stuff. She’s even on a freaking TV show every week. Confronting this head on is GOOD — I feel like all of us have been nervous for two eras watching a wheel that wasn’t perfectly round keep pretending it was rolling just as smoothly as before.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 4, 2018 12:23:27 GMT -5
Online forums are so annoying re: Meghan Trainor, as exampled by some of the comments above. HELLO, SHE HAS A FANBASE, AND A BIGGER ONE THAN 90% OF MAINSTREAM POP ARTISTS. Literally only established superstars have more fans, with a longer career than her. THAT’S the commodity — not your nonsense metrics about thinking her career is over because she didn’t have a hit on radio as the album launched (even though No Excuses almost reached top 10). Why on earth would someone who has a fanbase that has taken her through two headline tours, a Grammy, and two platinum albums need to “go back to songwriting for others, her career is over”? It’s just so melodramatic, ridiculous, and shows how limited the perspective is of some people on these forums. What is it with posters charging melodrama against others while doing the absolute most? Lmao read your own post. The only metrics we're using are the facts: the album doesn't have a hit, it's following a flop era, and the album just got pushed back indefinitely. You're citing...a BNA Grammy. Have you seen the list of BNA winners?
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Post by theflying on Aug 4, 2018 12:28:19 GMT -5
Thank You is platinum, produced two well known Top 10 hits, and she headlined a tour. You come across so biased and naive when you decry it as a flop era. Can you honestly just take your haterade somewhere else?
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Post by Exclusive on Aug 4, 2018 13:00:20 GMT -5
Online forums are so annoying re: Meghan Trainor, as exampled by some of the comments above. HELLO, SHE HAS A FANBASE, AND A BIGGER ONE THAN 90% OF MAINSTREAM POP ARTISTS. Literally only established superstars have more fans, with a longer career than her. THAT’S the commodity — not your nonsense metrics about thinking her career is over because she didn’t have a hit on radio as the album launched (even though No Excuses almost reached top 10). Why on earth would someone who has a fanbase that has taken her through two headline tours, a Grammy, and two platinum albums need to “go back to songwriting for others, her career is over”? It’s just so melodramatic, ridiculous, and shows how limited the perspective is of some people on these forums. So where's that fanbase now hun?
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 4, 2018 13:20:13 GMT -5
Thank You is platinum, produced two well known Top 10 hits, and she headlined a tour. You come across so biased and naive when you decry it as a flop era. Can you honestly just take your haterade somewhere else? Did you honestly just use the word “haterade”? Girl, I didn’t decide she should shelve the album, relax.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Aug 4, 2018 13:26:33 GMT -5
Online forums are so annoying re: Meghan Trainor, as exampled by some of the comments above. HELLO, SHE HAS A FANBASE, AND A BIGGER ONE THAN 90% OF MAINSTREAM POP ARTISTS. Literally only established superstars have more fans, with a longer career than her. THAT’S the commodity — not your nonsense metrics about thinking her career is over because she didn’t have a hit on radio as the album launched (even though No Excuses almost reached top 10). Why on earth would someone who has a fanbase that has taken her through two headline tours, a Grammy, and two platinum albums need to “go back to songwriting for others, her career is over”? It’s just so melodramatic, ridiculous, and shows how limited the perspective is of some people on these forums. Paula Abdul says hi.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 13:39:08 GMT -5
Online forums are so annoying re: Meghan Trainor, as exampled by some of the comments above. HELLO, SHE HAS A FANBASE, AND A BIGGER ONE THAN 90% OF MAINSTREAM POP ARTISTS. Literally only established superstars have more fans, with a longer career than her. THAT’S the commodity — not your nonsense metrics about thinking her career is over because she didn’t have a hit on radio as the album launched (even though No Excuses almost reached top 10). Why on earth would someone who has a fanbase that has taken her through two headline tours, a Grammy, and two platinum albums need to “go back to songwriting for others, her career is over”? It’s just so melodramatic, ridiculous, and shows how limited the perspective is of some people on these forums. The "limited perspective" you speak of is very presumptuous and could also easily be applied to what you're saying. Opinions and perspectives obviously vary, but my perspective isn't limited. I've seen this scenario play out for many (most, even) artists throughout the bulk of four decades. I recall you indirectly replying to a post of mine about Meghan awhile back, describing it as "disingenuous" - so I see a trend here where you seem to feel the need to try and discredit others' points of view by coloring them as haters or ignorant, basically. You may want to ease up on that. Not everyone has a motive. Sharing your own opinions (opposing or otherwise) is one thing, but trying to negate others' opinions with condescension is another. Onto the heart of the matter.... It takes more than a fanbase to sustain a viable career as a pop star on the level she achieved during her debut era. These fans need to stream, buy, and listen to her music on a level that competes with her contemporaries fanbases WHILE ALSO compelling pop fans who aren't in her fanbase to want to consume her music on a significant level. That simply is not happening, even with what I agree is solid material. Times change, trends change, people's tastes change, radio is fickle, and people fall out of the "cool" category overnight. Very few artists are lucky enough to have the type of fanbase that grows older with them while also matching with the mainstream's tastes to maintain prominence on the charts. She can stop and start and try again and change her style or approach until she's completely stripped of her own soul, but I don't think that's going to do the trick. She had her time of being an it-girl recording artist, which is more than most who try it, and that's really it. She's incredibly talented as a pop songwriter and can continue to do her thing as a recording artist on some level if she chooses (major label or indie or whatever is available to her going forward), but the lofty expectations set by her debut era aren't proving sustainable for her. She's just not that girl. She got lucky with a huge debut hit single, and the line graph has gone downhill from there. And here we are with her 3rd album being delayed indefinitely after releasing 2 short-lived and underperforming radio singles and pre-order availability, cover art, major retailer tie-in... the whole 9. A high enough level of interest in HER or her output just isn't there, which already showed signs of being the case during her previous era. It was relatively short lived despite having some decent peaks. If you think she's still a viable recording artist and just needs to crack some kind of code with her music to make more people consume it, I respect that. I just disagree - I think it's simpler than that. She's simply another in a long line of pop star recording artists who have one or two big eras and their time is up. She fell out of cool. That's just how it goes, or at least what the entire history of pop music tells us. The state of pop music right now in the landscape of what's charting isn't helping, but it wouldn't be the first time someone's career stalled because their genre of music became off-trend. It happens all. the. time. I could rattle off a two dozen R&B superstars who went from top of the Hot 100 to struggling to not charting at all when pop took over. Another thing about fanbases - most artists (from any generation/decade) who achieve any large level of success still have a fanbase. Many do smaller tours, smaller venues and events, get some TV gigs, etc. That doesn't mean they're still prominent (or even present at all) on the charts - and/or worth signing to a label. That's just how it goes for most fortunate enough to reach star status with some big hits, they have to accept their decline in mainstream popularity and do what they love on a smaller level without all the big expectations. Meghan has a career in songwriting at the very least, so she's got that on her side. I don't know what the future holds for Meghan, certainly anything is possible. Good on her if she manages another successful song and/or era. But I personally think the writing is on the wall, not because I don't like her or because I'm being melodramatic, but because of how things tend to work (or not) in this industry.
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Post by SHOOTER on Aug 4, 2018 18:25:31 GMT -5
If her fanbase kept that same kind of energy and translated it into sales and streams and not just impassioned arguments on online forums, maybe her album wouldn’t have been shelved. :sip2:
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Post by Caviar on Aug 4, 2018 18:43:47 GMT -5
Omg at the essays. Y’all care more than she do.
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Post by Wave. on Aug 4, 2018 18:50:31 GMT -5
the flying said yall ain't shit.
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Post by theflying on Aug 4, 2018 20:23:34 GMT -5
That’s right.
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Post by Choco on Aug 4, 2018 22:03:23 GMT -5
That album ain't coming anytime soon. I'm getting Double Dutchess flashbacks. Also at her trying to pretend it's because she's feeling really creative or something...
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Post by crdubb17 on Aug 4, 2018 23:57:47 GMT -5
I'm not surprised at all, but I'm kinda sad about it because I think I would've really liked this carnation album.
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Aug 5, 2018 3:29:37 GMT -5
Double posting is against the rules. I guess someone had to say it.
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Post by austin on Aug 5, 2018 11:30:36 GMT -5
She is the worst thing to come out onto the scene since Rascal Flatts in 2000, so I hope she goes away for good. Cannot stand her voice, songs or look and have never wished someone was a one hit wonder more in my entire life. I agree she should stick to songwriting and not keep riding the flop train.
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Post by George on Aug 20, 2018 15:05:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 15:15:59 GMT -5
Y'know, I actually think it could be a potentially good 'comeback' strategy for her to pen a few hits for other singers and build up momentum from that, and then release her own music. Obviously this depends on her writing hit-caliber songs and being put in sessions with artists who are heavily backed by their labels, but it's one possible way to put some distance between herself and whatever it is about her image that has people so put off by it without disappearing completely.
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Post by die Lotterie on Aug 20, 2018 15:21:37 GMT -5
A good strategy would be to completely drop all the juvenile fluff she's associated with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 15:22:36 GMT -5
Y'know, I actually think it could be a potentially good 'comeback' strategy for her to pen a few hits for other singers and build up momentum from that, and then release her own music. Obviously this depends on her writing hit-caliber songs and being put in sessions with artists who are heavily backed by their labels, but it's one possible way to put some distance between herself and whatever it is about her image that has people so put off by it without disappearing completely. There's discussion in her Pop thread about how her album is still showing its release date for next week. Do you think they just haven't been bothered to change it, or do you think it's intentional? She continues to perform her promo slots as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 16:09:59 GMT -5
Y'know, I actually think it could be a potentially good 'comeback' strategy for her to pen a few hits for other singers and build up momentum from that, and then release her own music. Obviously this depends on her writing hit-caliber songs and being put in sessions with artists who are heavily backed by their labels, but it's one possible way to put some distance between herself and whatever it is about her image that has people so put off by it without disappearing completely. There's discussion in her Pop thread about how her album is still showing its release date for next week. Do you think they just haven't been bothered to change it, or do you think it's intentional? She continues to perform her promo slots as well. Hits isn't the greatest about updating their releases page right away so that's nothing to pay any mind to, but I don't know why it would still be up on iTunes. The TCAs were just last week and she was saying there that it was delayed, so I don't think it's coming; they've probably just forgotten to take it down. It's possible that Epic is just hoping the people who did pre-order it already never get around to "un" ordering it, so when the album is finally available for release they have those sales to count on. As long as they've changed the date in the system**, it's fine, but I'm not sure whether what we can see when we're in iTunes is automatically updated to match system changes. **I remember when Interscope forgot to change Candice Glover's debut album from its original date and then the people who had pre-ordered it got a bunch of blank files at midnight. I don't think any of them ever got a refund or album redemption code tot make up for it, either. Hopefully Epic doesn't make a similar mistake with Meghan. The promo slots were likely booked weeks or months in advance; either they saw no point in cancelling most of those, or she signed contractual obligations to appear and thus has no choice but to follow through on them. It's easy enough to cancel a talk show appearance, an award show not so much.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Aug 20, 2018 16:30:27 GMT -5
I blame the 'h' in her first name.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 22, 2018 9:44:48 GMT -5
The promo slots were likely booked weeks or months in advance; either they saw no point in cancelling most of those, or she signed contractual obligations to appear and thus has no choice but to follow through on them. It's easy enough to cancel a talk show appearance, an award show not so much. Or they're just trying to wring those last few sales out of the singles before abandoning the project altogether.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 22, 2018 11:19:38 GMT -5
I only just found out that the album was cancelled lmao. She should just stick to songwriting, hit up Lauren Juggs and see if she needs some Japan bonus tracks. Then shop some tracks for soundtracks to be recorded by fresh disposable bitch #6425 cause even Sia's gotta have a limit to how many she can submit per soundtrack.
Her career and trajectory from the second album campaign onward is honestly how a lot of people thought Katy Perry would do in early 2010 stateside.
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