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Post by jptexas on Jun 17, 2021 22:31:23 GMT -5
I think the whole Wish you were gay deal is BS. I only started listening to some of her music cause I heard the song performed by Idol contestant Casey Bishop. She did a great job covering it. I like the song which led me to check out more of her music. It’s not exactly my cup of tea, but I can see why she’s so popular. Her brother and her make a great songwriting team.
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Post by kimberly on Jun 22, 2021 5:35:04 GMT -5
"Your Power" falling off after 6 weeks and "Lost Cause" tumbling down 50 spots in its second week... a quarter of the album is out and there really isn't that much hype. I'm sure the album will start off strong, but things don't look great in the longevity front.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 22, 2021 7:53:47 GMT -5
To make matters worse, there are people claiming Billie allegedly used a racial slur against Chinese people in a video and mocked their accent, but it's purely word-of-mouth as far as I know, and nobody is providing any evidence to support such a vile claim. Not the first time I've seen folks inventing stories to further drag celebrities they don't like. She did confirm this was her and apologized for it. There is video. But, she was also 13-14 at the time. I don't like the idea that literal children can't make mistakes and then later grow and learn from it. Like, saying she is cancelled for singing along to a song when she was 13 that happened to have a slur...I'm not sure I would call that a productive type of "activism."
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Post by Hurricane Lee on Jun 22, 2021 8:29:57 GMT -5
Homegirl said, on camera, she would KILL HER DOG if Justin Bieber commanded it. I definitely believe she has grown. Her generation is definitely different than mine, so I just try to understand, give them some grace, and, if I care enough, watch to see if they learn from past mistakes.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jun 26, 2021 13:40:29 GMT -5
To make matters worse, there are people claiming Billie allegedly used a racial slur against Chinese people in a video and mocked their accent, but it's purely word-of-mouth as far as I know, and nobody is providing any evidence to support such a vile claim. Not the first time I've seen folks inventing stories to further drag celebrities they don't like. She did confirm this was her and apologized for it. There is video. But, she was also 13-14 at the time. I don't like the idea that literal children can't make mistakes and then later grow and learn from it. Like, saying she is cancelled for singing along to a song when she was 13 that happened to have a slur...I'm not sure I would call that a productive type of "activism." Oh yes - the video evidence only resurfaced a few days after I posted this, but googling it back then led you to no results, so I assumed people might have been lying to make her look worse (also because when other users would ask them for proof, they got no response) Couldn't agree more, by the way. There is a clear difference between harmlessly singing along to a song which happened to have a slur and something like what Camila and Bieber shared and said at a similar age. Billie handled the situation very maturely, and I believe she genuinely didn't know it was such a harmful and offensive word. It might also be worth considering she was homeschooled, though to be fair, I'm not American, so I don't know how the school system normally educates against racism and hate speech - please feel free to correct me on this. If some East Asian fans feel uncomfortable listening to her after these clips despite her apology, that's their prerogative, but the way some wannabe 'activists' are labelling her as racist is just typical outrage culture. ATRL has been particularly vile on this, and it's blatant these people are bitter she's no longer their 'not-like-other-girls' tomboy with the edgy aesthetic, and the way they've been rooting for her downfall is just sad. Not to mention the most preachy ones tend to have even worse skeletons in their closets...
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Post by Choco on Jun 26, 2021 19:56:32 GMT -5
People need to be more forgiving of dumb shit famous people say when they're young kids. I'm sure we've all said some dumb shit, we're just lucky enough to not have it recorded, or not being famous so no one actually gives a fuck about what we said a decade ago.
I'm ready but also scared for the next single.
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Post by Snowbeast on Jul 21, 2021 15:34:02 GMT -5
EDITED FOR CLARITY LOL
Coming off a HUGE album and culture moment, I think this will be similar to Avril’s second album “Under My Skin”. During this time, Avril’s peers and their producers took the sound she blew up with and made it better, bigger and louder.
I’ve always thought Breakaway by Kelly Clarkson should have been Avril’s second album (as many tracks were inspired from Avril’s debut) and now when I first listened to SOUR, I immediately thought “this is what Billie’s second album should sound like”.
I think Billie clearly led to the success Drivers License and corresponding album, in the same way Avril clearly led to the success of Since U Been Gone and its corresponding album, but new artists and their producers have a way of taking parts of a hot formula and then overshadowing the original muse with pure, delectable pop. They elevate and further commercialize a tried-and-true sound - all while the artist with the massive debut is busy changing their image and searching for differentiators and new ground to keep the kids interested/prove they’re more than the success of their first record.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Jul 21, 2021 15:48:28 GMT -5
Coming off a HUGE album and culture moment, I think this will be similar to Avril’s second album “Under My Skin” and Kelly Clarkson’s “Breakaway” for me. I think Breakaway should have been Avril’s second album (as many tracks were inspired from Avril’s debut) and when I first listened to SOUR, I immediately thought “this is what Billie’s second album should sound like”. I think Billie clearly led to the success Drivers License and corresponding album, in the same way Avril clearly led to the success of Since U Been Gone and its corresponding album, but new artists and their producers have a way of taking parts of the hot formula and then overshadowing the original muse with pure, delectable pop. They elevate and further commercialize a tried-and-true formula while the artist with the massive debut changes their image and aimlessly searches for differentiators and new ground to keep the kids interested/prove they’re more than the success of their first record. How badly did "Under My Skin" do commercially in the US? I bought both "Let Go" and "Under My Skin" at the same time years ago. I knew Avril's hits such as "Complicated" and "Sk8er Boi", but after listening to both albums, I liked the sophomore album more than the debut. It certainly wasn't a drop off in quality or something. With Billie, I never really got into her. I'm probably too old by now and she is really not much of a singer. I hate her mumbling. She is not going to last long with such poor enuncation. I'm not saying the popstars of today have to be vocally in the same strathosphere as Aretha or Mariah, but damn it, mumbling and wisphering all the time is not going to cut it for long.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jul 21, 2021 15:58:17 GMT -5
^ Under My Skin sold about half of what Let Go did (3.2m). My Happy Ending (second single) did pretty well. Don't think the album performed badly at all. Also, Breakaway was massive? when I first listened to SOUR, I immediately thought “this is what Billie’s second album should sound like”. I'm not following this. Why should it? SOUR is a patchwork of recent (and not so recent) pop and I'd argue it actually bears little similarity to Billie. I don't find them particularly similar as artists at all.
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Post by Snowbeast on Jul 21, 2021 16:58:41 GMT -5
^ Under My Skin sold about half of what Let Go did (3.2m). My Happy Ending (second single) did pretty well. Don't think the album performed badly at all. Also, Breakaway was massive? when I first listened to SOUR, I immediately thought “this is what Billie’s second album should sound like”. I'm not following this. Why should it? SOUR is a patchwork of recent (and not so recent) pop and I'd argue it actually bears little similarity to Billie. I don't find them particularly similar as artists at all. Sorry - I should have clarified. I was saying for me, I’ve always associated the much more successful Breakaway for doing what Avril should have done on her second record (if she wanted the biggest commercial success). As for why SOUR, it just does for me. I see Driver’s License as the a slick and accessible sound-bite of the music style that Billie exploded with. Even how SOUR opens with the “I just want it to be messy” voice clip INSTANTLY reminded me of how WWFAWDWG opens with Billie’s voice. I think SOUR is smart to add in the electric guitars and Brutal to me, sounds like it should have been a Billie song. Just like how Since U Been Gone should have been an Avril song.
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Post by Edith Puthie on Jul 21, 2021 17:20:45 GMT -5
^ Under My Skin sold about half of what Let Go did (3.2m). My Happy Ending (second single) did pretty well. Don't think the album performed badly at all. Also, Breakaway was massive? I'm not following this. Why should it? SOUR is a patchwork of recent (and not so recent) pop and I'd argue it actually bears little similarity to Billie. I don't find them particularly similar as artists at all. Sorry - I should have clarified. I was saying for me, I’ve always associated the much more successful Breakaway for doing what Avril should have done on her second record (if she wanted the biggest commercial success). As for why SOUR, it just does for me. I see Driver’s License as the a slick and accessible sound-bite of the music style that Billie exploded with. Even how SOUR opens with the “I just want it to be messy” voice clip INSTANTLY reminded me of how WWFAWDWG opens with Billie’s voice. I think SOUR is smart to add in the electric guitars and Brutal to me, sounds like it should have been a Billie song. Just like how Since U Been Gone should have been an Avril song. Avril is a songwriter who has written or co-written literally all of her singles, and she didn't write Since U Been Gone, so why do you feel it should have been her song? So confused. I personally cannot hear her singing those lyrics, because she didn't write them, and the words don't sound like something she would write or want to sing.
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Post by Choco on Jul 22, 2021 10:49:08 GMT -5
I think SOUR sounds more like what teenage Taylor Swift would have done in 2021 rather than anything Billie should do. They're on different lanes musically. Billie would never do "good 4 u", just like Olivia wouldn't really do justice to "bad guy".
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 22, 2021 11:03:28 GMT -5
The innovation. When will your fave?! 🤯
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Post by Choco on Jul 22, 2021 11:05:57 GMT -5
It's... a stain on the cover.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 22, 2021 11:09:41 GMT -5
It's... a personal touch which adds to the coke aesthetic. It's all about perspective.
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Post by Choco on Jul 22, 2021 11:12:57 GMT -5
This entire exchange had me lmao
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Post by Snowbeast on Jul 22, 2021 13:44:26 GMT -5
The innovation. When will your fave?! 🤯 Takes less time than signing each copy! Queen of operations and efficiency.
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Post by altlover07 on Jul 23, 2021 0:26:33 GMT -5
The innovation. When will your fave?! 🤯 This is so extra- Still excited about the album nonetheless!
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Post by Koochie on Jul 23, 2021 21:37:20 GMT -5
Guess I'm the only one who thinks it's legitimately cool? 🤷🏼♂️ The innovation. When will your fave?! 🤯 Takes less time than signing each copy! Queen of operations and efficiency. Y'all never done splatter painting and it shows. With the amount of setup/cleanup it probably took to do this and factoring in the cost of supplies, this was probably more time consuming and more expensive than signing them lol.
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Post by Caviar on Jul 23, 2021 23:36:01 GMT -5
Omg gurl lol
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Post by Snowbeast on Jul 23, 2021 23:37:48 GMT -5
Guess I'm the only one who thinks it's legitimately cool? 🤷🏼♂️ Takes less time than signing each copy! Queen of operations and efficiency. Y'all never done splatter painting and it shows. With the amount of setup/cleanup it probably took to do this and factoring in the cost of supplies, this was probably more time consuming and more expensive than signing them lol. I have sold several paintings. I spat out my wine reading this - it was sarcasm, right?
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Post by Koochie on Jul 24, 2021 0:07:10 GMT -5
Guess I'm the only one who thinks it's legitimately cool? 🤷🏼♂️ Y'all never done splatter painting and it shows. With the amount of setup/cleanup it probably took to do this and factoring in the cost of supplies, this was probably more time consuming and more expensive than signing them lol. I have sold several paintings. I spat out my wine reading this - it was sarcasm, right? No. Signing CDs requires a pile of CDs, a table, and a pen. You can have that set up, signed, and cleaned up in 30 minutes or less without leaving your house except to got to Office Max for a pack of Bic pens. So you're, what, $3 in the hole? To do an actual proper splatter painting en masse, she'd either need to have rented the studio space or cleaned out an entire room in her house/had everything in that room covered, set down a tarp for the floor, set out each CD booklet, purchase the supplies, do the splatter (that process probably takes about 5 minutes, sure, but lol if you're gonna reduce the whole process to just this), then deconstruct all of that and clean up after herself. That's a lot more time and money. You don't need to have sold several paintings (I didn't ask) to know that, but knowing you're a painter I'm actually more confused as to how you came to this conclusion and why you're doubling down on it. If you're professionally trained I'm gonna guess you zoned out during art history or never studied expressionism or action painting.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 24, 2021 0:26:45 GMT -5
This is why Koochie should win Funniest poster.
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Post by Koochie on Jul 24, 2021 0:33:27 GMT -5
This is why Koochie should win Funniest poster. I'm deathly serious lol. She's not the next Helen Frankenthaler and this is Madonna-lite bulls**t, I'm just saying it takes like .02 seconds of critical thinking to realize this was neither cost-effective nor efficient lmao.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jul 24, 2021 0:37:25 GMT -5
This is why Koochie should win Funniest poster. I'm deathly serious lol. She's not the next Helen Frankenthaler and this is Madonna-lite bulls**t, I'm just saying it takes like .02 seconds of critical thinking to realize that was neither cost-effective nor efficient lmao. What if she outsourced it to assistants though? Definitely a lot less work on her part than signing.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 24, 2021 0:38:34 GMT -5
The paint alone costs more than everything needed just to sign a bunch of copies. Definitely not cost efficient lol. I could see it being time efficient, especially if the setup was outsourced to someone else, but it's certainly more expensive. A gallon of white paint is like the cost of 40 sharpies.
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Post by Koochie on Jul 24, 2021 0:52:38 GMT -5
I'm deathly serious lol. She's not the next Helen Frankenthaler and this is Madonna-lite bulls**t, I'm just saying it takes like .02 seconds of critical thinking to realize that was neither cost-effective nor efficient lmao. What if she outsourced it to assistants though? Definitely a lot less work on her part than signing. Still not cost-effective or efficient because either her team is still stuck renting and setting up the studio, or she outsourced the whole thing which just burns even more money. If you really want to start a conspiracy theory though, let's discuss the potential implications of her using a stunt double in the video she posted and how much that would cost. The paint alone costs more than everything needed just to sign a bunch of copies. Definitely not cost efficient lol. I could see it being time efficient, especially if the setup was outsourced to someone else, but it's certainly more expensive. A gallon of white paint is like the cost of 40 sharpies. She definitely didn't set it up herself, but that's still her manpower on her dime. The road trip to Office Depot is a bit more straightforward any way you spin it.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 24, 2021 2:02:37 GMT -5
Chile… if only the music were as interesting as this painting contest almost was.
Btw it’s a splattered 4x4 “art card” included with the CD, not the actual booklet covered in paint (I saw a tweet with someone bitching about this after they purchased 4 copies).
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Post by circadian on Jul 24, 2021 2:45:39 GMT -5
It's not like she'll be broke for spending money on some gallons of paint, she could buy a Home Depot if she wanted to, so... Maybe she was bored and had nothing better to do that day, who cares?
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Post by Choco on Jul 24, 2021 11:22:09 GMT -5
Y'all can keep discussing as much as you want to, but it's still... a stain on a case.
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