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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 19:10:14 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 21, 2017 19:21:18 GMT -5
Well, it's really time to make $.69 the main price now Nope. While it will show a spike in sales initially, it will plateau and go back to normal. The reason songs spike when they get put on sale is because people see it as a deal. If all songs are that way, it's no longer a deal, and people won't feel as compelled to purchase the song. Advertising 101, essentially. Make people assume they're getting a good deal, and they'll purchase your product. Look at any song that was $0.69 for the vast majority of its run. It saw a spike for a week or two after it hit the discount, but once the newness of the sale went away, they all went back to selling what everyone else was selling. Basically, overall, the sales will spike and settle a bit higher than what they are now, but because of the settling portion of that trend, profits will actually be lower than what they are now if they were to make $0.69 the default. Now, if it was reduced to $0.99 with $0.69 sales still available, that's a different story. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 19:42:25 GMT -5
Well, it's really time to make $.69 the main price now Nope. While it will show a spike in sales initially, it will plateau and go back to normal. The reason songs spike when they get put on sale is because people see it as a deal. If all songs are that way, it's no longer a deal, and people won't feel as compelled to purchase the song. Advertising 101, essentially. Make people assume they're getting a good deal, and they'll purchase your product. Look at any song that was $0.69 for the vast majority of its run. It saw a spike for a week or two after it hit the discount, but once the newness of the sale went away, they all went back to selling what everyone else was selling. Basically, overall, the sales will spike and settle a bit higher than what they are now, but because of the settling portion of that trend, profits will actually be lower than what they are now if they were to make $0.69 the default. Now, if it was reduced to $0.99 with $0.69 sales still available, that's a different story. I get the point and don't think $.69 will be anymore lucrative if it was $1.29. But most songs discounted would prob be charting lower if it was $1.29. Placing higher on iTunes is what most people are trying to accomplish with that now I believe |
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Post by MilesW1998 on Sept 21, 2017 19:45:36 GMT -5
I call it the Bootylicious effect, a song is discounted on iTunes just to get to #1, just like Bootylicious did in the early days back in the 2000s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 19:51:12 GMT -5
I call it the Bootylicious effect, a song is discounted on iTunes just to get to #1, just like Bootylicious did in the early days back in the 2000s. lol ok then |
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Post by Kinney on Sept 21, 2017 21:14:37 GMT -5
Well if she's not going to promote, this is the least her team could do. Good call.
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Post by deatheater13 on Sept 21, 2017 22:58:16 GMT -5
Yes at the discount. Should have waited for midnight but whatevs
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 22, 2017 0:50:08 GMT -5
It looks like Nick Jonas' new song might be going the route of $0.69 for its entire run
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Post by dwhite725 on Sept 22, 2017 1:27:03 GMT -5
I call it the Bootylicious effect, a song is discounted on iTunes just to get to #1, just like Bootylicious did in the early days back in the 2000s. You don't know chart history do you boo? iTunes was not even a thing in 2001. It was all still physical sales. So stop! |
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Post by dwhite725 on Sept 22, 2017 1:29:43 GMT -5
And good for Taylor for the discount might as well. She has never got streaming points before and that is a huge get for her. The team is not dumb. They know what they are doing. I'm just surprised about Reafy for It. But now I'm not?
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 22, 2017 1:40:28 GMT -5
I call it the Bootylicious effect, a song is discounted on iTunes just to get to #1, just like Bootylicious did in the early days back in the 2000s. You don't know chart history do you boo? iTunes was not even a thing in 2001. It was all still physical sales. So stop! I'm pretty sure he meant cd single, Mariah also did that for Loverboy (managed to reach #2). The single sales were in decline but fanbase purchases still existed so it was "easy" way to get more chart points for those acts who had a big and loyal fanbase. So it's not that different to the situation we have now with downloads vs. streaming |
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Post by dwhite725 on Sept 22, 2017 2:30:42 GMT -5
You don't know chart history do you boo? iTunes was not even a thing in 2001. It was all still physical sales. So stop! I'm pretty sure he meant cd single, Mariah also did that for Loverboy (managed to reach #2). The single sales were in decline but fanbase purchases still existed so it was "easy" way to get more chart points for those acts who had a big and loyal fanbase. So it's not that different to the situation we have now with downloads vs. streaming I don't think so. He said "the early days". I took that as iTunes. "Bootylicious" had a discount just like "loverboy" did to get to #1. I didn't even bother to mention that because the username is all taylor swift. I personally would call it the Mariah. Just because discounted singles happened years ago when they were still physical. This person has no idea what they are talking about. iTunes wasn't there for Loverboy. iTunes started in 2004. |
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 22, 2017 3:10:52 GMT -5
It doesn't change the point though? - that Bootylicious was discounted because label wanted it to be #1 and they saw the possibility.
I don't think that's anything worth attacking...
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 22, 2017 5:13:30 GMT -5
POP:
7 5 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 13319 12174 1145 75.858
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10 8 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4318 4057 261 25.578
+24 Spins
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20 20 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 211 212 -1 0.815
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RHYTHMIC:
26 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 1501 1306 195 4.231
+29 Spins
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 6:23:57 GMT -5
The spins count between Swift and Portugal is 2760. Between Swift and Horan is 4846, yesterday was 2875 and 4811.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 22, 2017 7:28:49 GMT -5
Yeah I assumed the person just misspoke and meant cd single instead of itunes. But yeah, discounting songs to get to #1 or to get more traction is a tale as old as time in the music industry. If the opportunity exists, then it will be taken lol.
I hope this at least goes top 3, but damn radio seems really invested in Ready for It already.
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Post by deatheater13 on Sept 22, 2017 10:48:51 GMT -5
Seems like radio is already dropping it?
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Post by woods on Sept 22, 2017 11:27:56 GMT -5
Back to #1 on iTunes.
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 22, 2017 12:17:18 GMT -5
Seems like radio is already dropping it? Other than AC, which is slow as shit and isn't really a good format for this song anyway, it's still increasing in spins on all of the other formats. Radio isn't dropping it yet. |
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 22, 2017 12:30:23 GMT -5
Oh, for sure, it's not gonna go much further on Hot AC, which is okay since this doesn't sound like anything Hot AC would get behind if it were by anybody else. The bullet on pop actually increased today, which might be a sign of a second wind? I'm not really holding my breath, but we've seen stranger things (returning this October to Netflix). I still think this will get blocked from #1 in the shuffle of Slow Hands, Strip That Down, and Feel It Still, even if it does get a second wind. The second wind just might push it enough to reach #2 instead of #3 or #4.
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Post by bat1990 on Sept 22, 2017 13:07:25 GMT -5
I call it the Bootylicious effect, a song is discounted on iTunes just to get to #1, just like Bootylicious did in the early days back in the 2000s. You mean the Tommy Mottola effect that he perfected with Mariah and Michael in the 90s? |
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Post by pnobelysk on Sept 22, 2017 13:22:00 GMT -5
It debuted with 200k less than her previous lead single. I don't think the number was that unimaginable. Yes, but the streaming & radio numbers were still huge. Remember that we're in the streaming era. 353k is not a lot compared to Taylor's past releases but it still is big. Also important to note the only higher recent debuts were hello & cant stop the feeling. And look what made you do would've likely had a stronger debut week than can't stop the feeling if the pre orders for The album weren't so strong, which is a good problem to have. When she's debuting second to only Adele her selling 200k less this time really isn't a problem when you analyze sales trends as a whole |
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Post by divasummer on Sept 22, 2017 13:43:50 GMT -5
I call it the Bootylicious effect, a song is discounted on iTunes just to get to #1, just like Bootylicious did in the early days back in the 2000s. You mean the Tommy Mottola effect that he perfected with Mariah and Michael in the 90s? The shade of it all. lol A good old sales manipulation 90's war. lol Sometimes if a label wanted one song to reach the top they would cut the single out of the stores etc to allow their other artist to reach the top. lol Holding back sales until a song was 6-8 weeks into it's radio run etc etc. There were a a few in the 90's. lol |
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Post by survivorqt on Sept 22, 2017 16:29:09 GMT -5
You mean the Tommy Mottola effect that he perfected with Mariah and Michael in the 90s? The shade of it all. lol A good old sales manipulation 90's war. lol Sometimes if a label wanted one song to reach the top they would cut the single out of the stores etc to allow their other artist to reach the top. lol Holding back sales until a song was 6-8 weeks into it's radio run etc etc. There were a a few in the 90's. lol Didn’t they do that with celine and Mariah with “because you loved me”and “always be my baby”? |
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 23, 2017 5:15:15 GMT -5
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6 5 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 13429 12416 1013 76.030
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9 8 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4344 4118 226 25.381
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20 20 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 213 210 3 0.831
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26 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 1518 1348 170 4.282
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Post by MilesW1998 on Sept 23, 2017 9:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 23, 2017 9:36:21 GMT -5
#1 on itunes and has the number 2 down to .71. :)
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Post by deatheater13 on Sept 23, 2017 11:19:11 GMT -5
#1 on US youtube on Thursday with a 500k lead
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 24, 2017 5:12:21 GMT -5
Did I not say releasing RFI so soon was a bad move?! :sip2:
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6 5 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 13407 12568 839 76.026
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9 8 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4342 4170 172 25.280
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20 21 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 211 218 -7 0.784
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24 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 1540 1377 163 4.371
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Post by born on Sept 24, 2017 5:59:23 GMT -5
What's happening... We all knew this would happen someday but THIS EARLY? The song is 30 days old. :(
I hope single #2 is less polarizing & more radio friendly. I want it to top "Blank Space" but we all know that ain't happening.
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