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Post by nightshade on Sept 27, 2017 16:45:29 GMT -5
The success Taylor is having with this era so far is something any of the pop girl's last eras would've DIED for. If this goes #1 on pop radio, that's great but if not it's not like pop radio is the end all be all especially for Taylor. That's fine and dandy. HOWEVER, is it not fruitful to discuss a worrisome trend that's appearing within several metrics for this song? Do we just kick back and say "f**k it" after a song has reached #1 on the Hot 100? Is there not more to a song's chart run and success than its peak? Discussion is fine and dandy however there has been many exaggerations on the song's performance that are laughable. Worrisome? Debatable. It'd be worrisome had the song not already broken records certifying its hit status. In addition to that, I am absolutely certain that LWYMMD and RFI aren't Taylor's ace. |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Sept 27, 2017 17:38:30 GMT -5
That's fine and dandy. HOWEVER, is it not fruitful to discuss a worrisome trend that's appearing within several metrics for this song? Do we just kick back and say "f**k it" after a song has reached #1 on the Hot 100? Is there not more to a song's chart run and success than its peak? Discussion is fine and dandy however there has been many exaggerations on the song's performance that are laughable. Worrisome? Debatable. It'd be worrisome had the song not already broken records certifying its hit status. In addition to that, I am absolutely certain that LWYMMD and RFI aren't Taylor's ace. I don't think anyone is denying that it's a hit. It's just burning out fairly quickly. Stating the latter does not negate the former. Saying the latter does not negate the fact that it spent 3 weeks at #1. Are some people overexaggerating? Sure. Are some people being overdefensive and borderline delusional? Sure. Are we not supposed to discuss the song's trajectory since it's broken records and is already a hit? If that's the case, let's just lock this thread right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 17:44:29 GMT -5
Just want to mention that RFI and LWYMMDs bullets combined are smaller than the bullet LWYMMD had like... 10 days ago. So I wouldn't say RFI makes up for too much. In what context are you referring? RFI is not an official release in any sense of the word, yet has managed a top 20 placement on pop radio has been doing well digitally. That's phenomenal. As for its impact on LWYMMD, to think RFI taking off and being as high as it is in rotation isn't negatively affecting LWYMMD is naive. Clearly RFI is negatively affecting LWYMMD because I feel like it's the alternative more radio friendly song. They released it very soon for a reason. There is no way they didn't think it wasn't going to affect LWYMMD. I'm thankful for it and it's good they did it so that's the reason LWYMMD is going to start falling |
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Post by Oprah on Sept 27, 2017 19:06:21 GMT -5
I'm thinking the Born This Way comparison is increasingly holding up, although this is actually performing worse. Remains to be seen if the entire era pans out in a similar fashion.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 27, 2017 19:55:40 GMT -5
RFI is not an official release in any sense of the word Are you for real? In any sense of the word? lol It got an iHeart radio deal, iTunes, Apple Music, and Spotify release the first day. BIG lol. |
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 27, 2017 20:42:03 GMT -5
RFI is not an official release in any sense of the word Are you for real? In any sense of the word? lol It got an iHeart radio deal, iTunes, Apple Music, and Spotify release the first day. BIG lol. It didn't have a radio deal and it never received an adds date. |
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 27, 2017 20:47:11 GMT -5
RFI is not an official release in any sense of the word Are you for real? In any sense of the word? lol It got an iHeart radio deal, iTunes, Apple Music, and Spotify release the first day. BIG lol. In what way is releasing to iTunes, Spotify and Apple Music new for a promo single? I'm pretty surprised at the lengths some people in this thread are going to to try and downplay the success of this song, as if it is still not top 20 on Spotify, #2 on iTunes and top 5 on pop radio. A lot of female artists in the last year couldn't dream of getting that much success. This is also clearly a polarising song, and since the video has she done any promo outside of tweeting about it and those behind the scenes videos? This is doing amazing and I think most of the people coming for it in here would have been doing the same regardless of how it performed ("the lowest spin peak at #1 on pop ever lol #flop" - which some said about it being a low peaking Hot 100 #1) |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 27, 2017 22:16:04 GMT -5
Are you for real? In any sense of the word? lol It got an iHeart radio deal, iTunes, Apple Music, and Spotify release the first day. BIG lol. It didn't have a radio deal and it never received an adds date. Which is exactly what I was alluding to given we were referencing radio. Thank you. =) Lol at these semantical battles. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 27, 2017 22:51:04 GMT -5
Are you for real? In any sense of the word? lol It got an iHeart radio deal, iTunes, Apple Music, and Spotify release the first day. BIG lol. In what way is releasing to iTunes, Spotify and Apple Music new for a promo single? I'm pretty surprised at the lengths some people in this thread are going to to try and downplay the success of this song, as if it is still not top 20 on Spotify, #2 on iTunes and top 5 on pop radio. A lot of female artists in the last year couldn't dream of getting that much success. This is also clearly a polarising song, and since the video has she done any promo outside of tweeting about it and those behind the scenes videos? This is doing amazing and I think most of the people coming for it in here would have been doing the same regardless of how it performed ("the lowest spin peak at #1 on pop ever lol #flop" - which some said about it being a low peaking Hot 100 #1) Totally agree. What other female since Adele has had such a successful album launch? Britney, Ariana, Selena, Demi, Katy, Gaga, Beyoncé, Miley, Pink, Kelly... none of them have had a #1 Hot 100 for multiple weeks in a hot minute. Just because it won't have massive longevity doesn't mean it wasn't a success either. She's horribly smart, and she knew what she was doing with this single.... I'm gonna be laughing at everyone when she's smashing all through Christmas and walking away with a ROTY at the Grammys. |
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Post by deepston on Sept 27, 2017 23:55:25 GMT -5
Name a promo single that’s gotten as much airplay and has stabilized on iTunes the way ...Ready For It? has. Were Set Fire to the Rain and Rumor Has It sent to radio? I remember them just being picked up by radio on their own. So we're now comparing RFI to the singles of one of the most successful artists in the world and at the peak of her popularity? Fine for me. |
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Post by Sambalada on Sept 27, 2017 23:57:39 GMT -5
Were Set Fire to the Rain and Rumor Has It sent to radio? I remember them just being picked up by radio on their own. So we're now comparing RFI to the singles of one of the most successful artists in the world and at the peak of her popularity? Fine for me. Lol he was asking if SFTTR was ever officially sent to radio |
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Post by deepston on Sept 28, 2017 0:00:13 GMT -5
So we're now comparing RFI to the singles of one of the most successful artists in the world and at the peak of her popularity? Fine for me. Lol he was asking if SFTTR was ever officially sent to radio |
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 28, 2017 0:09:21 GMT -5
SFTTR was already the third single in the UK by the time the US was ready to move on from SLY. Adele was on such a hot streak radio just jumped on it without prompting. And they did the same for RHI after Billboard announced it as the 4th single.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 4:10:03 GMT -5
Meh I clearly don't like that she has to go this way to make more money. I still don't think this song overall and Spotify/YouTube records that will be broken in a matter of months as they keep increasing are something to be proud of, and I can't accept that someone big like her can't be guaranteed to have a #1 radio hit with a lead. I'm sure she doesn't care about the charts anyway though
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Post by deepston on Sept 28, 2017 4:11:23 GMT -5
Meh I clearly don't like that she has to go this way to make more money. I still don't think this song overall and Spotify/YouTube records that will be broken in a matter of months as they keep increasing are something to be proud of, and I can't accept that someone big like her can't be guaranteed to have a #1 radio hit with a lead. I'm sure she doesn't care about the charts anyway though Tbh I think she does care. She releases her singles on Fridays and sent Cardi flowers for being n.1 on hot 100. |
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Post by jughead on Sept 28, 2017 4:20:07 GMT -5
Name a promo single that’s gotten as much airplay and has stabilized on iTunes the way ...Ready For It? has. Were Set Fire to the Rain and Rumor Has It sent to radio? I remember them just being picked up by radio on their own. They both got airplay before getting sent for adds but neither reached as high as RFI pre-single announcement. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 4:21:38 GMT -5
Meh I clearly don't like that she has to go this way to make more money. I still don't think this song overall and Spotify/YouTube records that will be broken in a matter of months as they keep increasing are something to be proud of, and I can't accept that someone big like her can't be guaranteed to have a #1 radio hit with a lead. I'm sure she doesn't care about the charts anyway though Tbh I think she does care. She releases her singles on Fridays and sent Cardi flowers for being n.1 on hot 100. 1- RFI was released on a Sunday 2- Yeah I agree that she cared and didn't mind losing #1 for Cardi because of what she achieved from it. I was saying that I don't think she cares whether she is #1 or #100 as long as the most amount of $$$ is coming. For example she would had 1989 on Spotify during its peak if she really wanted to be #1 |
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Post by jughead on Sept 28, 2017 4:22:36 GMT -5
Discussion is fine and dandy however there has been many exaggerations on the song's performance that are laughable. Worrisome? Debatable. It'd be worrisome had the song not already broken records certifying its hit status. In addition to that, I am absolutely certain that LWYMMD and RFI aren't Taylor's ace. Do you remember Today is a Fairytale? It broke the digital sales record in 2010. Have current Taylor fans even heard it? Breaking records don't transform a song into a huge smash if they're due to hype, and the overall numbers are low at the end of the chart run. Look, I don't want to be overdramatic. But this situtation is reminding me a lot of post Circus era Britney. She broke the digital sales record three times in a row, she broke the first day/week radio record with HIAM. But by Femme Fatale the songs were falling fast. The initial hype was still there, but the subsequent falls were a sign that the GP is growing tired of her current image. Britney fans disregarded any concern with "SHE DEBUTED #1 SO WHO CARES. H8Rs gonna H8" each time. Until she didn't. And now she can't even debut top 10 anymore. Look What You Made Me Do will probably be remembered. But if our theory is right, it's very likely that it will be remembed as the song that ruined her public image as a sweet girl who writes smart lyrics with cute melodies. That could have been a good thing, but the signs are pointing towards the opposite. Except at that point in Brit’s career, she was already a good decade past her peak. Taylor on the otherhand has a chance of becoming the best selling albums artist of 2017 depending on how well her first week sales are. |
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Post by deepston on Sept 28, 2017 4:38:34 GMT -5
Tbh I think she does care. She releases her singles on Fridays and sent Cardi flowers for being n.1 on hot 100. 1- RFI was released on a Sunday 2- Yeah I agree that she cared and didn't mind losing #1 for Cardi because of what she achieved from it. I was saying that I don't think she cares whether she is #1 or #100 as long as the most amount of $$$ is coming. For example she would had 1989 on Spotify during its peak if she really wanted to be #1 RFI is not a single though. Yeah but 1989 was 3 years ago, maybe she cares now because I don't think she's doing all of this for the money, at least not just for the money. She's filthy rich already. |
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 28, 2017 5:07:04 GMT -5
POP:
5 4 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 13876 13176 700 78.453
+92 Spins
-23 Bullet
+0.332 Audience
HOT AC:
8 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4392 4294 98 25.102
+1 Spin
-2 Bullet
-0.221 Audience
AC:
20 21 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 204 212 -8 0.725
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-0.006 Audience
RHYTHMIC:
22 18 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 1590 1481 109 4.455
+29 Spins
+20 Bullet
+0.067 Audience
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Post by deepston on Sept 28, 2017 5:09:41 GMT -5
POP:5 4 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 13876 13176 700 78.453 +92 Spins -23 Bullet +0.332 Audience HOT AC:8 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4392 4294 98 25.102 +1 Spin -2 Bullet -0.221 Audience AC:20 21 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 204 212 -8 0.725 -1 Spin +7 Bullet -0.006 Audience RHYTHMIC:22 18 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 1590 1481 109 4.455 +29 Spins +20 Bullet +0.067 Audience Probably peaked at 4 on pop. It may have a shot at 3 if Attention starts free falling. |
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Post by theflying on Sept 28, 2017 6:32:58 GMT -5
I really don't follow the Rhythmic charts at all but I feel like it's doing surprisingly well there.
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Post by jughead on Sept 28, 2017 7:29:29 GMT -5
I really don't follow the Rhythmic charts at all but I feel like it's doing surprisingly well there. I disagree. I’ll let Codex explain why. |
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Post by NeRD on Sept 28, 2017 8:17:54 GMT -5
I wonder whether this would have slowed down had radio not latched onto ..Ready for It.
I also don't understand why this is falling so fast in streaming when it had such a promising start. :(
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 28, 2017 8:28:11 GMT -5
Name a promo single that’s gotten as much airplay and has stabilized on iTunes the way ...Ready For It? has. Were Set Fire to the Rain and Rumor Has It sent to radio? I remember them just being picked up by radio on their own. Set fire to the rain sold a lot before being a single, but never was a promo single, and the airplay it recived was after being the fourth single. A promo song rarely get airplay just out of the gate no matter how much it sells. Of course sometimes big sales make the label take bad decisions like when Kesha released Blah blah blah. Telephone received a lot of airplay but you don't have Beyonce as featured artist for a promo single, so probably exploded before it was intended but it wasn't a promo single either. And the same with Dark Horse, radio just followed people interest in that song, so it received airplay before it was a proper single (but it was not a promo song either) The best example is Taylor Swift herself, last album had a good bunch of promo songs. OOTW did really well on sales, but none of those songs received enough airplay to chart |
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Post by NeRD on Sept 28, 2017 9:34:55 GMT -5
A number of songs from JT's FS/LS got unsolicited airplay right off the bat too. Pretty sure Chop Me Up made Top 50? Then of course Until The End of Time went Top 20 on Urban even before the Beyonce remix.
I know Summer Love took off on its own without an official adds date...or video. Then ended up blocking Umbrella. SMH.
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Post by divasummer on Sept 28, 2017 10:41:06 GMT -5
Were Set Fire to the Rain and Rumor Has It sent to radio? I remember them just being picked up by radio on their own. Set fire to the rain sold a lot before being a single, but never was a promo single, and the airplay it recived was after being the forth single. A promo song rarely get airplay just out of the gate no matter what it sells. Of course sometimes big sales make the label take bad decisions like when Kesha released Blah blah blah. Telephone received a lot of airplay but you don't have Beyonce as featured artist for a promo single, so probably exploded before it was intended but it wasn't a promo single either. And the same with Dark Horse, radio just followed people interest in that song, so it received airplay before it was a proper single (but it was not a promo song either) The best example is Taylor Swift herself, last album had a good bunch of promo songs. OOTW did really well on sales, but none of those songs received enough airplay to chart Did any of the songs mentioned get a press release which I think stated radio can feel free to play it but there not sure if it's going to be the 2nd single?? This was a different type of promo single in my opinion. lol. It's in commercials, had a press release etc. She's doing things differently this era and maxamizing every avenue it seems. I think like others have said the trial held things up a little for the lead single and perhaps that's why "RFI" got released so quickly. Because promo was beginning. Anyways I still love both songs and we'll see if her next "single" does fine. |
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 28, 2017 11:18:06 GMT -5
Strange that ALL this discussion about Ready for It is here instead of its own thread.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Sept 28, 2017 12:08:45 GMT -5
Strange that ALL this discussion about Ready for It is here instead of its own thread. Not sure if that says more about "Look" or "...Ready for It?". |
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Post by NeRD on Sept 28, 2017 12:30:42 GMT -5
Strange that ALL this discussion about Ready for It is here instead of its own thread. Well, many believe that ...Ready For It is responsible, at least in part, for LWYMMD's stalling. So it makes sense that the song would be discussed in this thread too. |
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