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Post by johnm1120 on Aug 25, 2017 13:00:04 GMT -5
So BTS already have a huge following, but musically haven't really done anything in the U.S. They are expected to release EP here in the fall. Will the hype be followed up with chart success?
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Post by WILL on Aug 25, 2017 13:02:48 GMT -5
I think maybe they will have a few low hot 100 entries just based on initial hype but their songs won't have longevity in the US.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 25, 2017 14:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 25, 2017 14:10:09 GMT -5
I think it just shows that the social media metrics only represent a small portion of the population and can easily be influenced by a small group of intense people.
If BTS had a "huge" following (i.e. one that is significant in size, not just intensity) here in the US, they would have actual popular songs, no? Is there something that would stop them from having a charting song here in the U.S?
It seems to me that their following is small, but very loud.
I remember betting, probably about a year ago, that K-Pop would take off a little bit after CL's song charted in the U.S. I expected K-Pop artists to have some success similar to Jake Paul or Jacob Sartorious. But now, I am not so sure that's going to happen.
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Aug 25, 2017 17:52:39 GMT -5
Depends on when things like Google searches or presence on Twitter or Facebook will be counted.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 25, 2017 18:09:19 GMT -5
Depends on when things like Google searches or presence on Twitter or Facebook will be counted. It's counted on the Artist 100 (which is an overall silly list because of it). But it's not, nor ever will it be, counted on the Hot 100.
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Aug 25, 2017 20:00:05 GMT -5
Depends on when things like Google searches or presence on Twitter or Facebook will be counted. It's counted on the Artist 100 (which is an overall silly list because of it). But it's not, nor ever will it be, counted on the Hot 100. Why not? It would really show which songs are "hot".
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 25, 2017 21:31:33 GMT -5
It's counted on the Artist 100 (which is an overall silly list because of it). But it's not, nor ever will it be, counted on the Hot 100. Why not? It would really show which songs are "hot". It's about what's being listened to the most, not what's being googled and tweeted about. There's a big difference between listening to something and tweeting about it.
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Aug 25, 2017 22:10:10 GMT -5
Why not? It would really show which songs are "hot". It's about what's being listened to the most, not what's being googled and tweeted about. There's a big difference between listening to something and tweeting about it. So why is there the 50/20 rule?
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 25, 2017 22:34:49 GMT -5
It's about what's being listened to the most, not what's being googled and tweeted about. There's a big difference between listening to something and tweeting about it. So why is there the 50/20 rule? Because when Billboard introduced the Rentrak system in 1991, they didn't want the transition to be too wild, and longevity to be too out-of-control, so rather than start reporting the facts and let people get used to it, they introduced a rule that artificially kept a similar atmosphere to the pre-Rentrak days Same thing with the 25/52 rule. They introduced it right as streaming was starting to allow songs to remain relevant for years on end. Just so things didn't get too out of control and drastically different. Apologists will try to justify it with bullshit about how the charts need to be "more fluid" or something. But there's no coincidence that Billboard introduced the rule immediately as the industry and their way of measurement was changing.
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Aug 26, 2017 9:14:20 GMT -5
So why is there the 50/20 rule? Because when Billboard introduced the Rentrak system in 1991, they didn't want the transition to be too wild, and longevity to be too out-of-control, so rather than start reporting the facts and let people get used to it, they introduced a rule that artificially kept a similar atmosphere to the pre-Rentrak days Same thing with the 25/52 rule. They introduced it right as streaming was starting to allow songs to remain relevant for years on end. Just so things didn't get too out of control and drastically different. Apologists will try to justify it with bulls**t about how the charts need to be "more fluid" or something. But there's no coincidence that Billboard introduced the rule immediately as the industry and their way of measurement was changing. If we want to know what people actually listen to, then the rule makes no sense.
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Post by superdroid73 on Aug 26, 2017 10:10:08 GMT -5
Unlikely, they seem to be more of social media fad than an act people want to hear on the radio (outside of their home country). They remind me a lot of 5 Seconds Of Summer in that department (more famous on social media than the radio and the charts), except to an even much lesser extent.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 26, 2017 11:20:40 GMT -5
Because when Billboard introduced the Rentrak system in 1991, they didn't want the transition to be too wild, and longevity to be too out-of-control, so rather than start reporting the facts and let people get used to it, they introduced a rule that artificially kept a similar atmosphere to the pre-Rentrak days Same thing with the 25/52 rule. They introduced it right as streaming was starting to allow songs to remain relevant for years on end. Just so things didn't get too out of control and drastically different. Apologists will try to justify it with bulls**t about how the charts need to be "more fluid" or something. But there's no coincidence that Billboard introduced the rule immediately as the industry and their way of measurement was changing. If we want to know what people actually listen to, then the rule makes no sense. Bingo!
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 26, 2017 11:23:16 GMT -5
Unlikely, they seem to be more of social media fad than an act people want to hear on the radio (outside of their home country). They remind me a lot of 5 Seconds Of Summer in that department (more famous on social media than the radio and the charts), except to an even much lesser extent. 5SOS have had like 10 charting songs though. Including a ton of high debuts. Maybe they haven't had a ton of longevity on the radio, but that's still a lot more than any KPOP group has had.
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Post by superdroid73 on Aug 26, 2017 12:02:29 GMT -5
Unlikely, they seem to be more of social media fad than an act people want to hear on the radio (outside of their home country). They remind me a lot of 5 Seconds Of Summer in that department (more famous on social media than the radio and the charts), except to an even much lesser extent. 5SOS have had like 10 charting songs though. Including a ton of high debuts. Maybe they haven't had a ton of longevity on the radio, but that's still a lot more than any KPOP group has had. They had 3 top 40 hits and no top 10s. You got a point about their success being a lot more than them, but they're still more of a thing on social media than any legit chart success. They're not anywhere near being One Direction big. In any case, BTS's success will be limited to just the KPOP charts. I can't see the radio touching a foreign language song from a KPop group unless it goes viral or something.
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Post by Disco🌶️📖 on Aug 26, 2017 18:04:30 GMT -5
It was reported that San Francisco station KYLD played their single "Blood, Sweat, & Tears" yesterday. "Fire" and "Not Today" were apparently played a couple of times as well.
I don't see them having much success unless they totally water down and ruin everything about them that made them so unique and special to tailor it to the U.S. market. English re-interpretations of their songs could potentially work with the right push but it's still not the same thing.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 28, 2017 5:41:33 GMT -5
Kpop is never going to have broad appeal. They may get some songs to chart in the 80s or 90s but never go much higher than that, unless theres some gangnam style viral breakthrough
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Aug 29, 2017 2:49:35 GMT -5
If SNSD cannot make it, then nobody can.
Well, at least BlackPink has a tiny tiny chance. But dont hold you breath
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Aug 29, 2017 2:55:16 GMT -5
Behind the scenes of what?
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Post by Disco🌶️📖 on Nov 9, 2017 4:48:07 GMT -5
BTS Confirm Performance on 'The Ellen DeGeneres Show' for Daytime TV Debut 11/9/2017 by Jeff Benjamin
BTS photographed during the 2017 Billboard Music Awards at T-Mobile Arena on May 21, 2017 in Las Vegas. The boy band is one of the very few K-pop acts to book a daytime TV appearance.
BTS continues to demand the stateside spotlight with their latest high-profile TV appearance.
The K-pop boy band has been confirmed to perform on The Ellen DeGeneres -- a long-rumored gig for the K-pop act -- on Nov. 21, marking their U.S. daytime television debut. The appearance comes just two days after they make their debut U.S. TV performance on the 2017 American Music Awards on Nov. 19.
A representative for BTS confirmed details with Billboard that the band will perform for the live audience. The performance airs a week later on Nov. 27.
This marks the latest major TV booking for the septet, following the news on Nov. 8 that the group had confirmed an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live!
While the amount of Korean acts performing or appearing on U.S. television is small, an even tinier group have booked daytime appearances stateside. To date, that short list includes the Wonder Girls (who had a breakthrough performance on The Wendy Williams Show on 2009), Girls' Generation (performing "The Boys" on and Live! with Kelly and Michael in early 2012), and PSY, who famously taught his "Gangnam Style" horsey dance to Britney Spears and Ellen on the comedian's talk show in the summer of 2012.
More details, including ticket information, can be found on the official Ellen DeGeneres Show website.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 20:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by Groovy on Jul 20, 2021 16:24:46 GMT -5
F in the chat for everyone who voted no radio and sales wise.
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