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Post by Web on Sept 27, 2017 17:36:40 GMT -5
^I can see where you're coming from with the arbitrary claim, but I was looking to see how the games here have gone in the past. Some communities have D1 "policy lynching" bs that I find unhelpful. D1 is almost always a crapshoot. Small things usually get drawn out into mislynches. Broccoli's post (#27) asking if you're allowed to lie about your role seems kind of scummy on the surface because it sort of sounds like a mafia player unintentionally speculating out loud about his options, but for now to me it reads more like a newbie player feeling out how the game works on the forum vs irl so it doesn't get a FoS from me.
If we're near the end of the day and there are two players who have both looked a little scummy, one seemingly experienced and one seemingly inexperienced, I'll go for the inexperienced player lynch 9 times out of 10 since they'll likely be more damaging to town with the natural scumminess that comes with inexperience.
Sidenote, props to whoever got the days phase extended to four days, I'm used to two days per day phase so this level of inactivity would be really bad for town if that were the case. We need regular contributions from more than 3 or 4 players because the silence only hurts the town, so I'm throwing out an initial vote.
Vote: Zedd You've at least read the beginning of the game, what do you think of the player interactions and posts so far? If you're still confused, what questions do you have about terms people have used?
Unrelated, but I'm also someone who hates RVS so was really happy to see it skipped here lol
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Post by matteeeb on Sept 27, 2017 18:01:38 GMT -5
I understand the objective of the game and the rules, im just unsure on how were supposed to even find out who's on what side when we start off with only one piece of information, your role.
I agree that just voting off the inactive people first round isn't smart, since nobody knows what is going on yet this early in the game. And a summary on the terms would be quite helpful :)
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Post by Web on Sept 27, 2017 18:45:20 GMT -5
D1 isn't as much about determining who is town and who is mafia, it's to get people to talk, interact with, and accuse each other. Asking questions is a really good way to do this, such as asking players how they feel about other players' posts so far.
Finding out the affiliations of our lynch on D1 and the probable nightkill on N1 is always helpful, but what is even more helpful is looking back through D1 with that information, to see how everyone interacted with the now dead players, who led the lynches and who hopped on near the end. The less activity, the less we have to work with on later days.
Some quick terms I've used: RVS (Random Vote Stage) - beginning phase of the game where people throw votes on other people without reasoning to get discussion started. FoS (Finger Of Suspicion) - someone who has done something to warrant your suspicion but not enough to place a vote on them yet. Bus/bussing (as in throw under the bus) - when a mafia accuses or targets another mafia to build town credibility. Scumslip - A (sometimes) obvious indication that a player is mafia from their posts. Can range from something really subtle and easy to miss to a player claiming a mafia role by accident. (before you ask, yes I've seen that happen before)
I'll try to define others as I use them for new players/people who are more used to irl mafia.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 27, 2017 18:56:45 GMT -5
I'm waiting at least another 24 hours before voting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 18:57:29 GMT -5
I'm waiting at least another 24 hours before voting. why
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Post by Web on Sept 27, 2017 19:01:52 GMT -5
Here's where I'm at with the mayor reveal strategy talked about earlier. I think the mayor revealing D1 that Albie floated is a really bad idea, specifically because I can see a semi-likely D1 scenario where a scum mayor gets a lot of easy towncred (aka an action or action(s) that makes people believe they are town), probably draws the doctor's heal for the night, and has a lot of plausible deniability due to the lack of information on D1 regardless of how the lynch target flips. Town also has a pretty big advantage at this point so extra votes aren't really necessary yet. Alternatively, a D1 reveal with a town mayor will also probably draw the doctor heal (unless the doctor is mafia), identifies one of the 3/10 town players that are a power role to the mafia, and shrinks the pool of targets for the mafia to go after during the night. I also don't think the mayor's extra vote will be all that helpful today with the high likelihood of a mislynch. Exposing a power role this early gives the mafia even more information then they already have and time to strategize on how to best eliminate the town. This could be slightly clouded by the gut feeling I have that mayor is more likely to be scum than the other three power roles for reasons I and others have stated above, but I think it's sound. Thoughts? It seems if the mayor winds up the N1 kill, we could potentially have something to look into further regardless of what way the mayor flips.
Also about this specific part of Albie's post, the mayor gets more powerful as the game goes on, so I'm not sure why you're willing to potentially bump him off so quickly.
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Post by matteeeb on Sept 27, 2017 19:10:45 GMT -5
Thanks Web. Got a basic understanding now :)
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 27, 2017 19:17:26 GMT -5
I'm waiting at least another 24 hours before voting. why Because then I can actually have a genuine reason for voting someone off. Despite the nature of the game, I'm still going to attempt to be nice :)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 19:20:02 GMT -5
Because then I can actually have a genuine reason for voting someone off. Despite the nature of the game, I'm still going to attempt to be nice :) I frankly see no merit to this strategy as all it does is prevent town from analyzing voting patterns. We also have plenty of content to go off of, certainly enough to warrant some kind of vote regardless of whether or not it’s a hard one. Not voting is self-preservation, and unhelpful. I lowkey explained this already on the previous pages. vote: myloninja13
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 27, 2017 19:57:05 GMT -5
Because then I can actually have a genuine reason for voting someone off. Despite the nature of the game, I'm still going to attempt to be nice :) I frankly see no merit to this strategy as all it does is prevent town from analyzing voting patterns. We also have plenty of content to go off of, certainly enough to warrant some kind of vote regardless of whether or not it’s a hard one. Not voting is self-preservation, and unhelpful. I lowkey explained this already on the previous pages. vote: myloninja13RIP me. I guess I should vote then. vote: Kunt
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Post by Web on Sept 27, 2017 20:01:41 GMT -5
...that's such a bad vote though lol, why are you voting Kunt other than him voting for you?
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 27, 2017 20:09:40 GMT -5
...that's such a bad vote though lol, why are you voting Kunt other than him voting for you? I have very little reason, I'm just dumb. Oh well, this might make it more interesting for the first round. I wonder how many votes I'll get.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 20:14:23 GMT -5
castleoblivion26 question, don't we have to unvote first before voting someone else? At least thats what I am familiar with in terms of Mafia play. Unless on this one its ok to switch votes constantly without unvoting, just making sure.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Sept 27, 2017 20:22:44 GMT -5
castleoblivion26 question, don't we have to unvote first before voting someone else? At least thats what I am familiar with in terms of Mafia play. Unless on this one its ok to switch votes constantly without unvoting, just making sure. that is in the rules but honestly wasn't enforcing it only because right now I'm not able to constantly be on to verify so you don't have to unvote this game as I think it is easy enough to follow along. If any issues arise with people switching votes too much and it being a problem then I will re-instate that rule but for now it is fine to just vote someone else.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Sept 27, 2017 20:27:36 GMT -5
Web thanks for breaking down some of the lingo for online mafia. I was completely lost in the first few posts ha. I love playing in person but haven't played online in this capacity before. Still open to other ideas but to throw a vote out there for now: Kanenrá:ke (love you )
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 27, 2017 22:09:05 GMT -5
Actually, I feel like a Mafia mayor might be overpowered? They have no risk of NK, so there would be no risk in claiming on D1 and double voting at their leisure.
Potentially wild theory; what if one of our vanilla townies is actually the secret scum?
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Post by Web on Sept 27, 2017 22:12:37 GMT -5
What most don’t know is that either the Mayor, the Sheriff, the Deputy or the Doctor is not working in the towns best interest and is one of the 4! I think this line from the story makes that impossible
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 22:21:46 GMT -5
What most don’t know is that either the Mayor, the Sheriff, the Deputy or the Doctor is not working in the towns best interest and is one of the 4! I think this line from the story makes that impossible I think he means that 1 of the 4 is actually on the Scum side instead of the Town. I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 22:25:27 GMT -5
I can already tell this is going to be a long day phase
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 27, 2017 22:26:31 GMT -5
What most don’t know is that either the Mayor, the Sheriff, the Deputy or the Doctor is not working in the towns best interest and is one of the 4! I think this line from the story makes that impossible Ahh, whoops. I'm not home right now so I couldn't go back and check the OP properly. I was gonna do that when I got home, thanks for pointing that out for me.
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Post by Web on Sept 28, 2017 8:04:30 GMT -5
the town is in desperate need of discussion from the group of people who have just said "Hi" and/or "I'll check back soon" so far. It's easy to wait around for other players to post but it does nothing to help the game move forward.
If you're having trouble drawing connections between players, what do you think of some of the larger posts about the game's setup made by players like myself, Kunt, Albie etc.?
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Post by Albie on Sept 28, 2017 11:45:11 GMT -5
As webinator pointed out, upon first glance, broccoli’s question about lying about roles stood out to me and raised suspicion a bit. Its something to watch for but it could just be newbie questions as I know I had a ton when I first started playing. The only other similar sort of comment that has stood out to me in any way was when Az suggested shooting the sheriff as a response to the question of how best to utilize the deputy role. I clearly understand this was a joke but being that we don’t have much to go on its something to keep in the back of my mind. I bring this up because I liked the thewebinator’s point that if it came down to two players that looked a bit scummy, the inexperienced player would be the better lynch if we had to lynch someone as the inexperienced player could be more damaging to town. It is less likely that an experienced player would make small slips that come off as scummy on D1.
For all the newbies, of which there seem to be quite a few, as we’re starting, just ask questions of everyone – probing questions I mean. Even if it seems dumb because at least that will get everyone talking and there will be something there for us to look back on as the days go by. Mylo13 💜 I fundamentally understand why as a newbie you’d think it best to wait to for more action before you vote, but during that time, why don’t you go ahead and try to ask some questions or just throw some thoughts out there. That’s more helpful than a random vote tomorrow just because its been 24 hours. And also, this game isn’t about not being nice. This isn’t Big Brother. You don’t have to mean to ask questions and try to interact with others to potentially get some information. And please don’t take the stance of voting for someone because they voted for you. Assuming you are town, our safety is literally in the numbers.
Web agreed on your thoughts about the mayor reveal. Just something I was throwing out there and actually I was hoping to hear from some others on that as well. But I agree with you after reading your post. There is no need for the mayor’s particular power role at this point. My main reason for wanting to think through this was because I also feel the mayor’s role would be the most dangerous to town if it’s the one that’s scummy. With regard to your question about bumping off the mayor, I was trying to think through a way where the mayor would actually be protected, either by doctor or deputy, but was acknowledging the fact that the mayor could be NK if the other don’t get used properly. I started tunneling on my theory that the mayor is likely scum and therefore losing the mayor would be positive. Untunneling as we speak after reading through this page. Hoping someone else pops in here soon. I'm working lots of evening events in the next few days and the daytime hours will be my most active for the time being. Leaving my vote where it is for now, though I was tempted to vote for myloninja13 simply because how much help are you going to be? But then, several people haven’t really piped in yet so it wouldn't be fair to apply that logic to only him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 12:15:09 GMT -5
Ok well I had a solid post written but fuck Verizon
Anyway, town read on Az and thewebinator for the time being. @ all of you people talk more. You’re doing nothing but making yourselves targets and that’s bad for town because we could be focusing on scum. I know it’s intimidating but if you’re really that anxious to learn how to play, go read one of the old games.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Sept 28, 2017 12:44:18 GMT -5
Web thanks for breaking down some of the lingo for online mafia. I was completely lost in the first few posts ha. I love playing in person but haven't played online in this capacity before. Still open to other ideas but to throw a vote out there for now: Kanenrá:ke (love you ) Thanks Zac! Thought you forgot to bold the vote so not sure if that'll count lol ...that's such a bad vote though lol, why are you voting Kunt other than him voting for you? I have very little reason, I'm just dumb. Oh well, this might make it more interesting for the first round. I wonder how many votes I'll get. Vote: miloninja13We don't have much to go on yet but I don't particularly like how nonchalant about getting votes you are so my vote will go to you until we have more to go on. I bring this up because I liked the thewebinator’s point that if it came down to two players that looked a bit scummy, the inexperienced player would be the better lynch if we had to lynch someone as the inexperienced player could be more damaging to town. It is less likely that an experienced player would make small slips that come off as scummy on D1.
Regarding lynching inexperience vs. experience and the part I bolded. Wouldn't an experienced player always have an advantage to not make so many mistakes? Come day 2 having an experienced scum around vs. an inexperienced one seems a disadvantage right? But if they flip town then we'd be out a probable more productive member. Seeing as we're always more likely to lynch a town the first day I'd think keeping an inexperienced player around would be better. When I've played irl that's actually worked out better for town. For the PR that's mafia I do agree that the Mayor makes the most sense since the other roles don't seem to benefit scum. This does mean scum has potentially 5 votes once they reveal themselves right? When does that become enough for the majority lynch? Assuming the Mayor flips scum it'd be in town's best interest to have the role revealed before that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 14:46:08 GMT -5
I asked this on the previous page but it’s becoming increasingly apparent that nobody reads my posts: where was it confirmed that the traitor has the power role they would otherwise be assigned as town?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 14:51:19 GMT -5
Oh and town read on Broccoli btw. Asking if we can lie about our roles in here and not a hypothetical scum chat seems more new town than anything.
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Post by Web on Sept 28, 2017 15:01:09 GMT -5
I bring this up because I liked the thewebinator’s point that if it came down to two players that looked a bit scummy, the inexperienced player would be the better lynch if we had to lynch someone as the inexperienced player could be more damaging to town. It is less likely that an experienced player would make small slips that come off as scummy on D1.
Regarding lynching inexperience vs. experience and the part I bolded. Wouldn't an experienced player always have an advantage to not make so many mistakes? Come day 2 having an experienced scum around vs. an inexperienced one seems a disadvantage right? But if they flip town then we'd be out a probable more productive member. Seeing as we're always more likely to lynch a town the first day I'd think keeping an inexperienced player around would be better. When I've played irl that's actually worked out better for town. It's definitely a risk/reward balance, but I still lean on the side of lynching an inexperienced player. One of the nightmare scenarios for town (which unfortunately I can see playing out in this game based on how it's gone so far), is having a coordinated, active mafia slowly pick off the top-contributing scum-hunting town players and be left with a town of new players that either never post or when they do are easily guided around by an experienced mafia towards a maf victory. I agree that there's definitely a tighter leash on experienced players when it comes to scummy behavior, but it leaves a huge vulnerability if a good town player gets misylnched while a new, somewhat clueless town player with scummy tendencies is still alive. I asked this on the previous page but it’s becoming increasingly apparent that nobody reads my posts: where was it confirmed that the traitor has the power role they would otherwise be assigned as town? I guess it's a point worth considering, I just assumed due to the same bold sentence in the OP I quoted above "one of the four is working for the mafia" that their same powers would carry over. If you're looking down that path, do you think that it would be more likely that they would just be a regular mafia with no powers or have some different, undisclosed power? (or perhaps a third option I didn't think of?). Out of those two alternate options I think that it's more likely a mafia wouldn't have any powers since in the pre-game thread castleoblivion26 made it clear in this post I liked below that no roles will be hidden. Imo, the quote below makes the situation described your post unlikely but it's not something I would completely take off the table. 3 - All roles will be revealed at the start of the game. I will not have any hidden roles. You will all know what kind of roles are in play. I will also not add in any roles after the game starts, what it begins with will be all there is.
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Post by Web on Sept 28, 2017 15:18:44 GMT -5
Still slightly over two days left, but I could count the people who have made two or more useful contributions to town on one hand. Vote: Normi You checked in at the pre-game thread but are the only player who hasn't made any posts in the game yet. What do you think of the game so far? Does anyone strike you as scummy or towny based on their posts?
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Post by Normi on Sept 28, 2017 15:22:42 GMT -5
I'm still trying to get into this game which is why I'm only observing and i don't have too many thoughts yet
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Post by Web on Sept 28, 2017 15:29:25 GMT -5
also for what it's worth I think miloninja's scummy posts (waiting 24 hours, immediately voting Kunt after he is voted) ring scummier to me than Broccoli's weird "lying about your role" question. Neither is enough for a vote with strong weight behind it yet. Kunt is my strongest town lean right now but mostly off of his willingness to help scumhunt and move the game forward that most others haven't displayed yet. The double-edged sword obviously is that he is a strong player so it's easier for his posts to appear towny. want to see what Devil Marlena Nylund thinks about the setup since he seems to be among the stronger players and said he would put some thought into it last night I'm still trying to get into this game which is why I'm only observing and i don't have too many thoughts yet really, any thoughts help. Ask questions to posters, answer the questions that people ask of you, and try to look for posts that seem like people are hiding something or are being untruthful and point them out to the rest of the town. also quick unrelated sidenote since everyone doesn't have genders listed and I don't know all of you that well, feel free to correct me on pronouns!
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