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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 11:37:56 GMT -5
Kunt - Town lean, I do not see anything fishy from him and he is doing a good job interacting with players and such.
thewebinator - Town lean, while I do agree with normusic that the most helpful could end up being traitors, I do not think that this is the case for webinator. He gave good ideas, thats benefitial to Town and IMO has not done anything scummy yet, but that does not mean that he could be town leaning forever. These are all just as of D1.
Zedd - Scum lean, - yeah I agree, he has not posted anything too benefitial yet.
Snark Knight - Town lean, giving good advice and pressuring inactives to be active.
Galaxy Gurl - Null, Idk why but I can't seem to figure out his intentions too well so I have no idea on him yet.
Kanerake Stacey - Scum lean, he contributed a few times but was nothing too useful and has not been too active after.
BackwoodsBarbie - Scum lean, while he did make 1 long post about his ideas and opinions earlier, he has not been to helpful and posted much either. I think that she is a sneaky scum playing the "not post too much game" as far as thats what I can see.
myloninja13 - Null, can't tell, he keeps switching votes and seems to be somewhat new on Mafia games and Pulse.
Albie - Town lean, He makes lots of great points too so Idk why some think that he is Scum, I am getting a town lean on him.
Broccoli 2017 - Null, while he may not want to post long posts, that does not necessarily mean he is scum, could just be his playstyle, so Idk about him yet.
Rose Max Nylund - Null, I am not getting anything out of him from what I see, just normal posts and ideas and whatnot, so he is my "wild card" that I am not sure at all yet.
zaclord - Scum lean, Idk why, but something seems fishy from him. Just the way he posted and such and voted for normusic after others did.
normusic - Town lean, I legit think he is Town cause I somewhat do agree with him about the points he makes about experienced players and helpers can end up being betrayed and that people are teaming up to vote him. I think that norm is legit Town so I am not voting him.
Anyways after all this, I find Stacey, Backwood, and Zaclord the scummiest along with Zedd... But.. since Stacey, Backwood and Zaclord do not have enough votes, I will Vote - Zedd - Anyways I hope that others decide to unvote normusic after what I said. I think that he is legit Town.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 11:38:57 GMT -5
EDIT - Sorry I mean her for Galaxy Gurl.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 11:39:18 GMT -5
EDIT 2 - And BackwoodsBarbie.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 30, 2017 11:43:39 GMT -5
Re: active players, my eye is on you and Kunt tbh.
Kunt: This always happens lmao and it's nothing personal. If anything I don't really want to pursue 'the actives' on D1 if only because you're the ones keeping the game moving. I have thoughts about you immediately honing in on the Deputy role once the game commenced; in a general sense this can be written off as 'Pulse has never used/seen this role before, what is this?'. But then your interest takes on different meanings if I try to meta-game what your faction and/or potential power role is. As a power role in general you'd be curious to know what the role does/how it might interact with your ability. But more specifically as a Doc you might be interested in how the Deputy interacts with/affects your role (as the two are protection roles). The scenario of NK/Doc/Deputy all targetting the same person was brought up - which would obviously be of interest to you as Doc!Kunt. Adding fuel to the fire is the confirmation that scum's relationship to their 4th party member is a double-blind. Should you be that traitor role, you'd be interested because you're seeking out not only who your teammates are but who the other power roles are. Being D1 you're merely trying to get reads on who might be people of interest, of course, which is why at this moment it's not a train of thought worth following yet. Obviously as we lose players then you'll be someone to come back to if we're both still kicking around.
Webinator: You clearly have experience, which is good for propelling the game; but you're a wildcard, 'cause we've never seen you play scum or otherwise. This comes back to meta-gaming; good scum want to be helpful when it benefits them - because of the train of thought where 'how can someone working with us possibly be against us'. Again, you're someone I'd revisit later on if we're both still here.
I don't particularly like going for 'the inactives' because it's falling into the same pattern we've done multiple times before. It's just annoying because regardless of alignment, those players don't appear to be helping anyone and are just dead weight. I wanted to get people to actually talk, because it's easier to form any kind of read at all on someone who's actually been part of the conversation instead of just ghosting. That's why I tagged people who had (at that time) only posted a grand total of 1 time in-thread. I know Kunt, you said I skipped Gravey as an inactive, but at that time he'd made 3 posts - which yes, that doesn't speak highly of his engagement at that point, but I was specific in who I was tagging.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 12:04:21 GMT -5
Fuck you Codex!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 12:13:18 GMT -5
Az Paynter that’s fair. I pushed the role conversations because I wanted to get discussion going, yes. I focused on Deputy because it’s a role worth discussing in town’s interest (if we assume it isn’t the traitor), primarily because it’s such a difficult role to utilize effectively in this setup. My intention was to lay out some strategies that the deputy could adopt or maybe hadn’t thought of, but this didn’t pan out—I wouldn’t call it a total bust though as we got some solid discussion out of it that is yielding some pretty strong reads. I like gravey’s analysis on the surface but I haven’t actually picked it apart. There seems to be some real effort there. vote: Galaxy Girl. Having thought about it, I agree with Az that more active players are inherently more beneficial than inactive ones, and I have a scum read on both for the time being. Albie seems more engaged, so. Az Paynter [2], you mention thewebinator and I, but I don’t think you’ve touched on Max or Albie. Just curious where you stand with them.
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Post by Web on Sept 30, 2017 12:15:49 GMT -5
Webinator: You clearly have experience, which is good for propelling the game; but you're a wildcard, 'cause we've never seen you play scum or otherwise. This comes back to meta-gaming; good scum want to be helpful when it benefits them - because of the train of thought where 'how can someone working with us possibly be against us'. Again, you're someone I'd revisit later on if we're both still here. I don't particularly like going for 'the inactives' because it's falling into the same pattern we've done multiple times before. It's just annoying because regardless of alignment, those players don't appear to be helping anyone and are just dead weight. I wanted to get people to actually talk, because it's easier to form any kind of read at all on someone who's actually been part of the conversation instead of just ghosting. That's why I tagged people who had (at that time) only posted a grand total of 1 time in-thread. I know Kunt, you said I skipped Gravey as an inactive, but at that time he'd made 3 posts - which yes, that doesn't speak highly of his engagement at that point, but I was specific in who I was tagging. I definitely agree with your point about looking deeper into active/townish players the longer the game goes on and it's always been a strategy I've favored that has worked out more often than not. Mafia have an incentive to snuff out all of the top contributors that most people have tagged as town and leave the game with town players who aren't as much leaders of discussion so they can control the game. So if we're at D3 or D4 and there are still "consensus-town" players alive that definitely makes them move up my scum radar purely because good mafia probably should have killed them off by then.
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Post by Web on Sept 30, 2017 12:47:49 GMT -5
Made a quick votecount since it's been a while, some votes have moved around and we're coming up on 6 hours until EOD. VOTES:(1) myloninja13 - Kanenrá:ke Stacey(3) Zedd - BackwoodsBarbie, normusic, gravey(1) Galaxy Girl - Albie, Kunt(4) normusic - Zedd, Galaxy Girl, zaclord, Ice Cream 15 (Broccoli 2017)(1) thewebinator - Rosey Ray Nylund(1) Albie - thewebinator (2) Ice Cream (Broccoli) - Snark Knight, myloninja13(?) Max : Codex Yellow Ice Cream 15 (Broccoli 2018) do you have any response to the accusations against you? Your vote is probably the worst vote this game so far and you haven't stated opinions on anything. below I ranked the newer players in terms of most to least scummy. Broccoli's lynch really doesn't tell us much at this point but take this as a rough guide of who I'd feel most comfortable with lynching today out of the inexperienced players. 1. Broccoli T-2. Galaxy Girl/myloninja13 4. Zedd 5. normusic 6. gravey
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Post by Web on Sept 30, 2017 12:49:06 GMT -5
...ugh, Galaxy Girl has 2 votes not 1.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Sept 30, 2017 13:33:35 GMT -5
I'm just thinking out loud here. First to Kunt - it's hard to come to new conclusions when there is very little evidence of anything. My style of posting is first to analyze comon known facts and then trying to make my own conclusions out of them. And If someone has made a valid point about something I'm likely to include that point in my post. I kind of devided players into 3 groups - old active , old lazy and new players I will start with old active players (this is the group of people who know how to play this game and are active in this thread) I put Albie, Kunt, Snark Knight and thewebinator in this group. what they have in common is that they post quite a lot and their post contain stuff that can benefit town. I very much agree with Rosey Ray thoughts on thewebinator - He is the most town leaning player right now which can be double-edged sword - as Normusic pointed out sometimes the most active players are just using their activity to cover up that they are really a scum. But this time I think that he just really like playing mafia and that's why he is so active. Also he was one of the few people who posted from very begining - me coming from hypotheses that most people are lazy - wouldn't it be easier for him if he is a scum to not post at all and let the game lead to rendome vote where there is just 7% chance that he is voted out. And one more point about him - his voting patern (Kunt you were right voting can be used as way of reading players). He stated that he usually vote for absent posters and posters who don't tell anything usefull - so his first vote was for Zedd and second for Normusic which are both absent players. Then he voted for Albie because he had a hunch that he may be a scum. So I think that everything adds up with thewebinator and he is the strongest town lean at the moment. Then there is Kunt – he is contributing a lot to the game (around 20 posts so far) and his style of play is pretty agressive (I'm thinking about Mylonija13 situation here). I'm getting overall town lean from him but the one thing that bothers me a little is how he is defending Broccoli – it would be very smart play if he was a scum to keep the inactive /I don't even know what's going on here type of players in the game as long as possible (This has been said before I know) since they are eazier to fool. And voting for Albie (he is active expirienced player just add up to this point) – I see you removed Albie vote so even stronger town lean now.
Albie – Town lean. I know two expirienced players voted for him which was kind of a signal for me to go and check his activity. I do think his contribution is beneficial to town - he has a healthy level of activity, he asks questions and he explained his behaviour good enough.
Snark Knight - He is also very active (15 posts so far) but majority of his posts are not very helpful to town. He made the first real post about an hour ago after thewebinator called him out. What seems a little fishy about him is that majority of his posts are just junk but on the other hand as I stated at thewebinator part of this post if he is really a scum why bother with posting if majority of players are just doing nothing. So overall I have town lean rean on him. I also agree with him on Broccoli case. So from most town lean to least town lean --> thewebinator, Albie, Kunt, Snark Knight.
I will post my opinion on another two groups of players later.
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Post by matteeeb on Sept 30, 2017 13:59:08 GMT -5
Kunt: Has been both active and beneficial to the game so far, I would say that he is town leaning for sure.
Thewebinator: Town leaning for sure, he helped clarify some stuff to the new players (me) and has been putting in tons of effort so far, and looks like he'll be beneficial to the town.
Gravey: I get a small town lead from him just based on his analysis and posts so far, but im still suspicious of him, and will continue to be.
Az: Town lean. Not much to say about him, but he seems to be town because of him wanting everyone to more active.
Figurative: Not sure what to think of her game yet, has been quite on most things which is kind of suspicious, but not enough to accuse her of anything. Null
Stacey: Scum leaning. Hasn't contributed anything too relevant yet, getting an analysis from him would be helpful.
BackwoodsBarbie: Town lean. Really don't have an opinion on him just yet personally, but he is providing good information and has proven himself to be useful thus far.
Miloninja: Scum. Keeps changing his vote which is VERY suspicious, and it looks like he is trying to make himself look weak for some reason? Not sure what he's doing
Albie: Town leaning. Has given us good information and reasoning so far, which will be beneficial to the town.
Broccoli: Scum. Looks like he isn't interested in putting in the effort needed in the game, and has been pretty suspicious based off of his posts so this screams Scum to me.
Rose: Null. Has been giving out good information and looks like he'll be a good player. But none of his posts/vote have really stood out to me as favoring one side over the other.
Zaclord: Null. He voted Normusic after everyone else did so he might be jumping on the bandwagon? Or he voted Nor because he was being suspicious? I don't know just yet because he he has been laying low.
Normusic: Scum lean. Mostly everything hes posted so far has been questionable, likewise because he has the most votes. I would rather we go after someone like Broccoli or Miloninja honestly since they are much more scummy then him, but I can't control that, just give my thoughts on it.
I will be keeping my vote on Normusic for the time being simply because if I remove my vote on him then the vote will be tied between him and I, but I am defiantly fine with changing that to Broccoli or Milo if we have the numbers to do it.
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Post by matteeeb on Sept 30, 2017 14:05:19 GMT -5
* her for BackwoodsBarbie
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Post by Web on Sept 30, 2017 14:06:39 GMT -5
I have to leave for a few hours, I should be back before EOD but in case I'm not, a few thoughts.
Albie is still slightly scummy to me, but he's responsive and participating in discussion. As I've said several times D1 I'm more comfortable lynching inexperienced players on D1, especially when those players have shown a complete lack of involvement or caring about the game. Broccoli's vote is awful and I'm not even sure if he's paying attention. It's important to cut out these players early when we still have room for mislynches. I previously said gravey was the most useless player to town but he came through with a full list of leans and some analysis. While the analysis was of the play-by-play variety a lot of the time, he's finally contributing, which is a lot more than I can say form Broccoli.
I'm also not sold on the Zedd wagon yet and I really think we need a wagon to start rivaling the normusic wagon which I'm really against at this point as I think it has some scum sitting on it right now.
Vote: Broccoli
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 30, 2017 14:10:14 GMT -5
I'm going to bed now (I've been up overnight lmao) so if I understand correctly I think I'm gonna miss end of day #Whoops Sorry to have not been more helpful this Day phase. Leaving my vote on Broccoli because of how disengaged he is (he hasn't even responded to having votes cast against him). If I die in the night RIP me. And if I'm still alive in the morning... RIP me.
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Post by Albie on Sept 30, 2017 14:51:36 GMT -5
Checking in from my event glad to see people have popped in. Wish I had time to sit with all of this more now that deadline is looming. I'd be willing to vote broccoli at the end of the day but for whatever reason it struck me as odd that Backwoods Barbie and Zedd had their in-depth posts back to back and right near the end of the day. You've both been on the lower end of activity prior to this but not disjointed from the game and essentially flying under the radar which is smart of potential scum. The only thing is that Zedd does have 3 votes on him, though one of those is Barbie's so its something to keep an eye on as the end of D1 draws near and depending on the results of N1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 14:59:39 GMT -5
Keep in mind that scum could vote their teammate if they are not under lynch threat to raise suspicions off of themselves.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Sept 30, 2017 14:59:44 GMT -5
Old lazy (this is the group of people who know how to play this game but are not active in this thread). In this group are Gravey, Kanenrake Stacey, Rosey Rey.
Let me start with Gravey – I was a little surprised when I saw that he already made 11 posts (but only 2 was worth something). I'm getting a little scum vibes from him. The same things that I stated for Zedd in my second post applies to him. He mainted some level of activity so he avoided being called out but he had not say anything smart. Since he finaly made a post where he wrote his opinions I'm not going to say he is a scum but will give him null read for now. But I'm going to monitor his activity very closely.
Kanenrake Stacey – When he posts (3 times so far) he at least tries to contribute something (2 posts) although nothing that he said so far has been benificial to town. So up to now he hasn't said anything that would imply that he is scum but he also didn't contribute anything which is itself a little scumy. So my read is null by now but I'm going to monitor his activity the same way as Graveys. Also I would like to see your opinions on each player by the end of D1.
Rosey Ray – I think he is town leaning player. I really like the point he made on thewebinator and I also think his other posts were quite benifitial to town (or at least to new players).
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Post by Albie on Sept 30, 2017 15:07:10 GMT -5
Keep in mind that scum could vote their teammate if they are not under lynch threat to raise suspicions off of themselves. thanks walker. That is what I was alluding to with zedd and Barbie. But I'm on sure that it's more than a coincidence at this moment
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Post by Normi on Sept 30, 2017 15:07:59 GMT -5
I read through some of your opinions and I think I'm getting the idea of Broccoli so Vote: Broccoli
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 15:22:18 GMT -5
I’m going to be frank in that I think Broccoli is inactive town more than scum. It’s not a bad lynch for that reason, but it’s not a particularly good one either.
I’m leaving my vote where it is for now.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Sept 30, 2017 15:45:13 GMT -5
New Players (Has never play this game before – at least not online). In this group are Galaxy Girl, Milonija13, Normusic, Zedd, Zaclord, Broccoli.
Galaxy Girl, Zaclord – they both at least show some level of activity and their post has some contetnt. I have null read on them at this moment and I wish they would both contribute more to discussion. Zedd – I made my point about him in my second post but since he finaly wrote something at least little beneficial to the town I give him a null read for now and also unvote him. Normusic and Miloninja13 – They didn't really contribute anything so far and they have been a little too defensive from time to time but I'm not getting scum vibes from them, more like new player who haven't figured things out yet. Null read for now but I do hope that they contribute more to discussion – like an opinion on other players. That leaves me with Broccoli - apart from asking a very scumy question (that post has also been edited) and told everybody that he cannot explain and analyze things he did absolutely nothing. He also voted for Normusic who had the most votes at the time and giving no reasons for his actions. My vote goes to Broccoli – partly because he seemed scumy to me from the beginig and partly because he don't even make an effort and try to explain his ways and thoughts.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Sept 30, 2017 16:04:17 GMT -5
Also is 11pm here so I'm going to sleep and I won't be active when D1 ends.
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Post by Normi on Sept 30, 2017 16:17:15 GMT -5
Also is 11pm here so I'm going to sleep and I won't be active when D1 ends.
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Post by Albie on Sept 30, 2017 17:06:30 GMT -5
I'm a little concerned about the way the Zedd wagon desolved and how the broccoli train has formed. Walker voted Zedd because out of the players he felt were scummy (Stacey, zaclord, Barbie and Zedd), Zedd already had votes on him while the others didn't. Strange logic but I assume he means there was no wagon on the others and he'd rather join a wagon than vote anew?
Barbie and Normusic were the other two votes for Zedd at the time but when Walker made it 3 votes, Normusic popped in and made a cryptic post about reading some of our stuff and deciding to vote broccoli. Barbie posts lots of analysis right after this and ends up voting broccoli too.
They are both in the same time zone and its late there so its probably coincidental they got their votes in and left... but maybe not.
Vote: Barbie
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Post by Albie on Sept 30, 2017 17:21:17 GMT -5
@mod: If we reach the deadline and no one has 8 votes on them, does the person with the most votes get lynched or is there no lynch? Was looking through the rules but couldn't find the answer to this.
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Post by Albie on Sept 30, 2017 17:22:54 GMT -5
I just remembered, castleoblivion said he wouldn't be around this evening right? Did I miss the answer to my above question or do we not know?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 17:45:06 GMT -5
I just remembered, castleoblivion said he wouldn't be around this evening right? Did I miss the answer to my above question or do we not know? He didn’t say. I assume no lynch would occur as vote counts specify majority must be reached by deadline for a lynch to occur. For all intents and purposes Barbie and normusic basically fucked town out of two votes, not that it can be helped I guess. Time zones are a bitch. This leaves town in a god awful position though as we now have to account for this. No lynch isn’t a particularly good option, but as is Pulse tradition we’re in a last minute situation and need to figure out a suitable target. I still feel strongly about Galaxy Girl, but I’m willing to work with everyone. We just need everyone to chime in now.
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Post by Ice Cream 15 (Broccoli 2018) on Sept 30, 2017 17:48:00 GMT -5
Its the end of the day phase so I can't do much now. I see where the accusations against me are coming from - my inactivity, and voting for a popular vote without any reasoning. I don't think you should do this because just because I am a little confused and not active, it doesn't really mean that I am suspicious. I see where voting to a bandwagon comes from but my reason (which I didn't say) was the same reason why Galaxy Girl voted for him (assuming roles quick, and quick posting). Kunt - goes straight for Gravey at first and then calls me out. Also asks some questions to keep everyone active. Null. myloninja - Scum lean. Made a scummy vote like I did at Kunt the webinator - Active in first hours. Votes me because I am inexperienced and there is a wagon. Null. Snark Knight - 2nd person to vote on me because I am not 'prepared'. Makes many posts most of which I don't think are very great as well. Scum lean. Gravey - null. I can't figure anything out with his 2 posts. I agree with most of it. Galaxy Girl - Null. Jumped on the normusic train but had a reason. Zedd - Scum lean. I don't have an exact reason but I think it is because like me he hasn't participated in a discussion other than sharing thoughts. normusic - Scum lean. Look as if he jumped on a bandwagon because he agrees with the opinions to vote me out. zaclord - Town lean. Has the same opinion as me that you can't figure out people's role yet. Stacey - Null. Can't figure out because he hasn't posted a lot yet. Albie - Null. Another person who hasn't said much. BackwoodsBarbie - Null. Looked at her reason for voting me and it is half true so that I can understand. Rosey - Town lean. Made a good comment about being scummy and the game itself.
Changed vote: Zedd. I see him as a scum and he spoke the least out of all the people I see as scums.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 30, 2017 17:52:47 GMT -5
I'm just trying to think from Mafia's POV, would they eliminate a very town player because they think no-one else would assume they would be mafia, thus them being useless for them? Or would they kill an undecided player, that has scum and town points? Because wouldn't it be for the Mafia's benefit to get rid of important town players (Like Kunt, who I haven't seen anyone given a scum or 'good at hiding mafia' rating), so that the person can't help the town any longer? Or people like the three non-scum special town members? There wouldn't be much benefit in killing off members like Broccoli, normusic, Zedd, Galaxy girl and I, because then the possibility of a town lynch or extra suspicions of non-scum members would help the mafia's case.
I'm just trying to think about what Mafia would use to eliminate members, because then whoever they eliminate tonight may show their strategy.
Anyway, I don't have opinions on all characters, but some quick little ideas.
Broccoli: Has done nothing of use. He voted on a bandwagon without any reasoning (Again, you don't have to be a word master, but a sentence or two of your rough ideas would be nice.), and said he wouldn't contribute much. The reason I said he 'was more useless than actual mafia members' was because I assume people are town, and try and read their plan to change my mind. Assuming he was town, there be four mafia players. If the four lowest helping players were all mafia, they STILL would have helped town more than him. I would say I get a scum feel, but I mostly get a 'can't be bothered' feel.
Zedd: Apparently he has a bandwagon now? I never got anything but a null to slight town read on him, mainly due to his post about players that seemed to be generally reasonable.
normusic: Another bandwagon I didn't quite get. I found him to be not that helpful, but at least looked like they were trying to help town. Null read for me.
Kunt: I have gotten over my petty squander, and tried to look at your character in the game. TBH, I actually still find you pretty suspicious, but I'm more worried about an overcompensation to town to cover up mafia. Still, a slight town read.
Everyone else is pretty much null to slight town lean. No-one has really stuck out at me aside from broccoli, but with night 1 about to start that may change.
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Post by matteeeb on Sept 30, 2017 18:09:08 GMT -5
If I vote Broccoli then that puts us up to 6 votes. Do we need a majority or is it just whoever has the most votes?
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