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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:58:55 GMT -5
Damn the bullet drops for T Swift are wild
RECORD BREAKING QUEEEEEEEEN, lol I still firmly think nothing from the record will save her anymore at this rate after 3 major atomic bomb explosions that was the death of the previous 3 singles
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Post by nickd on Feb 19, 2018 15:11:56 GMT -5
I honestly didn't expect this to bomb so hard. Ready For It MV has 60% more dislikes and only 10% more likes so I thought this would hold up better especially without another Taylor Swift to compete against. What was the worst bullet for RFI? -3800?
I think we either get something to help her next single (probably Delicate) this week, maybe if she shows up at the BRIT awards or releases a lyric/music video this Friday, or she'll just wait until her tour before coming back. She has several more songs that sound like they were designed to be singles so it would be surprising to her not use those.
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Post by deepston on Feb 19, 2018 15:35:59 GMT -5
So far she has released the worst songs of the album as singles so I'm not that surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 17:40:52 GMT -5
It's over. Radio will not touch a new single from her like they did the first 3. This era was very short. But I still stand by the album and say it's a decent pop album
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Post by NeRD on Feb 19, 2018 18:31:48 GMT -5
-4532 bullet What’s the record? I think: 1. Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift (-4986) #1 peak 2. End Game - Taylor Swift ft. Ed Sheeran & Future (-4532) #10 peak 3. Praying - Kesha (-4514) #9 peak 4. Filthy - Justin Timberlake (-4439) #14 peak 5. NO - Meghan Trainor (-4432) #7 peak DEAD.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 19, 2018 19:00:41 GMT -5
So the record for the biggest drops are all pretty recent songs. Is anything going on with radio lately that leads to these big drops? Should we expect to see more of these in the near future?
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Post by Snowbeast on Feb 19, 2018 19:15:35 GMT -5
Damn the bullet drops for T Swift are wild RECORD BREAKING QUEEEEEEEEN, lol I still firmly think nothing from the record will save her anymore at this rate after 3 major atomic bomb explosions that was the death of the previous 3 singles And unlike x, y or z pop stars that feel this treatment, it’s not because the material wasn’t there, but momentum is dead at this point, and it’s because she’s M.I.A. It’s just mind boggling. There just has to be something else going on behind the scenes. How is her mother’s health? The fact she shot all the videos back-to-back BEFORE the album was released is fishy too. Watch Gorgeous be next because they already have the video shot.
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Post by NeRD on Feb 19, 2018 21:20:17 GMT -5
Isn't she planning/rehearsing for a likely record breaking stadium tour? Maybe the tour is her priority this era?
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Post by Dylan :) on Feb 20, 2018 4:50:10 GMT -5
Pretend you are the general public. If you hadn’t heard the album and all you had heard were the three radio singles (maybe even Gorgeous), the album would not sound good at all. That’s what annoys me the most - the album tracks are all better than the singles.
Also, radio was completely here for her this era, but they could only take her so far with weakish long term sales and streams (at least for the last two singles, Look What You Made Me Do did great at first). The biggest let down this era was promotion and single handling, I really hope Taylor learns from this for the next era
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Post by djea92 on Feb 20, 2018 5:02:12 GMT -5
The album just doesn't have hits. LWYMMD was catchy but in an annoying way, and the only other song that comes close to single worthy is Delicate.
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Post by born on Feb 20, 2018 7:47:38 GMT -5
In my opinion, they could give "I Did Something Bad" a radio edit/remix to make it more 2018 (the production is so freaking dated ffs) and it could be a hit. Obviously, not as a followup to "End Game" but it could be the album's biggest hit if executed correctly.
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Post by Choco on Feb 20, 2018 8:03:25 GMT -5
I've said this before but "Delicate" then a remix of "I Did Something Bad" with someone hot (I think Cardi B would kill that type of song, but I'm not sure where she stands in the whole Kimye/Taylor beef so she might not be that into Taylor) is probably the best path forward. If those two work then "Don't Blame Me" or "Getaway Car" for final single.
This era reminds me a bit of Rihanna's Rated R. First few singles had decent peaks but you take a closer look and the runs were very short. Then "Rude Boy" saved that era. She just needs to find that hit (and promote it, come on).
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Post by mediabase on Feb 20, 2018 8:41:12 GMT -5
-4604 bullet today. Like, how is this even possible? Like with the other two singles, it's like they just pulled the plug all of a sudden.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 20, 2018 9:35:56 GMT -5
I don't think you can blame the label for going with End Game. That was what picked up organically after the album drop and it was going great at first. I really did look like all they had to do was drop the video (and maybe do a performance) and all would be well.
I don't think anyone could have predicted it would slow down so much after the holidays.
I think (hope?) they'll try one more song, she has a tour coming up after all.
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Post by austin on Feb 20, 2018 10:16:54 GMT -5
She filmed the Ed scenes long before the album was out/radio picked the song up. It was always going to be the third single. "It organically was chosen by radio and the label went with it" it just an excuse and a non-factual one. I 100% do not blame them for it as it was the feature "moment" on the album, but to say radio's liking to it had anything to do with it being picked is wrong.
This album was doomed by the messy rollout and poor lead single choice. Radio preferred RFI and played that enough for Top 20 play before it was even a single, so when it WAS a single they were already done with it. The awful single and NO PROMOTION was messy af and nobody knew what was going on or which of the four songs released before drop date were the radio single.
She needed to lead with IDSB if she wanted a bad bitch look this era. People would've bought into that as a more bitchy Blank Space, but LWYMMD is one of the weakest songs on the entire album and really turned people sour on everything else. If Don't Blame Me isnt next, nothing else will take off single-wise.
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Post by Choco on Feb 20, 2018 10:56:40 GMT -5
-4604 bullet today. Like, how is this even possible? Like with the other two singles, it's like they just pulled the plug all of a sudden. Callouts were pretty bad. Updating this for future use: 1. Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift (-4986) #1 peak 2. End Game - Taylor Swift ft. Ed Sheeran & Future (-4604) #10 peak 3. Praying - Kesha (-4514) #9 peak 4. Filthy - Justin Timberlake (-4439) #14 peak 5-6. NO - Meghan Trainor (-4432) #7 peak 5-6. ...Ready For It? - Taylor Swift (-4432) #11 peak
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Post by leonagwen on Feb 20, 2018 11:30:42 GMT -5
People on this forum love to kick a singer below the belt when they think they are flopping.Yes we get it, End Game underperformed but it still made it to #10 on CHR.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 20, 2018 11:43:34 GMT -5
People on this forum love to kick a singer below the belt when they think they are flopping.Yes we get it, End Game underperformed but it still made it to #10 on CHR. That's life, not just this forum. Besides, who is kicking her? All I see is legitimate discussion over this being the second fastest falling song in history. That's not kicking her when she's down, that's just discussing damn facts.
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Post by deepston on Feb 20, 2018 11:51:56 GMT -5
I still don't get why the callouts for this song are so horrible. This isn't an Adele type of song but please it isn't Gummo. Radio is supporting her but the GP seems so not here for her anymore. She's lucky she built a big enough fanbase that prevents her from flopping into oblivion when the gp just says no to her stuff.
She should be trying to find that one #1 hit on reputation and hold on to it for dear life. Her tour will still be enormous though.
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Post by nightshade on Feb 20, 2018 14:32:11 GMT -5
People on this forum love to kick a singer below the belt when they think they are flopping.Yes we get it, End Game underperformed but it still made it to #10 on CHR. That's life, not just this forum. Besides, who is kicking her? All I see is legitimate discussion over this being the second fastest falling song in history. That's not kicking her when she's down, that's just discussing damn facts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 14:48:16 GMT -5
Yeah this era does remind me quite a bit of Riri's Rated R in terms of performance
Question is will T Swift find her "Rude Boy" era savior I'm just hoping they at least try with Delicate
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 20, 2018 15:01:28 GMT -5
I still don't get why the callouts for this song are so horrible. This isn't an Adele type of song but please it isn't Gummo. Radio is supporting her but the GP seems so not here for her anymore. I really think people just aren't here for her persona she's giving this era. Couple that with all three singles being far from the best on the album (though I fully understand why LWYMMD came first and I personally wouldn't change that). I truly believe people are seeing all of these songs as bratty and annoying continuations of her LWYMMD persona and aren't liking it at all. She needs to back away from it and release something like "Delicate," "Getaway Car," or "Dancing with Our Hands Tied" next to help cleanse people's palates. But I'm so afraid "I Did Something Bad" is next and that's just more of the same. I really hope this era ends up being a big takeaway for her that people don't want bitchy Taylor. They've got far more authentic people for that (see: Rihanna, P!nk, Cardi B). I do also think, though, that reverting to America's sweetheart Taylor isn't a good look either. Something in between, genuine, and heartfelt that isn't trying to force you to think Taylor is a victim, bad bitch, or an innocent. Things like "All Too Well," "Back to December," etc. She needs an era of admission. "Yeah, I'm not the saint I pretended to be, but I'm not a bitch either. I'm just a human being with complex problems like everyone else."
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Post by theflying on Feb 20, 2018 16:30:35 GMT -5
I really wish I knew more of the ins and outs of fallouts, because honestly, just as someone who’s observed them for years, they’re really a dreadful metric for a lot of things.
Most any song that’s remotely interesting or not that universally positive doesn’t have great call outs.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 21, 2018 5:55:57 GMT -5
I still don't get why the callouts for this song are so horrible. This isn't an Adele type of song but please it isn't Gummo. Radio is supporting her but the GP seems so not here for her anymore. I really think people just aren't here for her persona she's giving this era. Couple that with all three singles being far from the best on the album (though I fully understand why LWYMMD came first and I personally wouldn't change that). I truly believe people are seeing all of these songs as bratty and annoying continuations of her LWYMMD persona and aren't liking it at all. She needs to back away from it and release something like "Delicate," "Getaway Car," or "Dancing with Our Hands Tied" next to help cleanse people's palates. But I'm so afraid "I Did Something Bad" is next and that's just more of the same. I really hope this era ends up being a big takeaway for her that people don't want bitchy Taylor. They've got far more authentic people for that (see: Rihanna, P!nk, Cardi B). I do also think, though, that reverting to America's sweetheart Taylor isn't a good look either. Something in between, genuine, and heartfelt that isn't trying to force you to think Taylor is a victim, bad bitch, or an innocent. Things like "All Too Well," "Back to December," etc. She needs an era of admission. "Yeah, I'm not the saint I pretended to be, but I'm not a bitch either. I'm just a human being with complex problems like everyone else." The problem is that she has created all if her complex problems and everybody knows it
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Post by mediabase on Feb 21, 2018 12:31:46 GMT -5
-4604 bullet today. Like, how is this even possible? Like with the other two singles, it's like they just pulled the plug all of a sudden. Callouts were pretty bad. Updating this for future use: 1. Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift (-4986) #1 peak 2. End Game - Taylor Swift ft. Ed Sheeran & Future (-4604) #10 peak 3. Praying - Kesha (-4514) #9 peak 4. Filthy - Justin Timberlake (-4439) #14 peak 5-6. NO - Meghan Trainor (-4432) #7 peak 5-6. ...Ready For It? - Taylor Swift (-4432) #11 peak This is supposed to say Kesha - Die Young, no?
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Post by thewp on Feb 21, 2018 13:00:54 GMT -5
I really think people just aren't here for her persona she's giving this era. Couple that with all three singles being far from the best on the album (though I fully understand why LWYMMD came first and I personally wouldn't change that). I truly believe people are seeing all of these songs as bratty and annoying continuations of her LWYMMD persona and aren't liking it at all. She needs to back away from it and release something like "Delicate," "Getaway Car," or "Dancing with Our Hands Tied" next to help cleanse people's palates. But I'm so afraid "I Did Something Bad" is next and that's just more of the same. I really hope this era ends up being a big takeaway for her that people don't want bitchy Taylor. They've got far more authentic people for that (see: Rihanna, P!nk, Cardi B). I do also think, though, that reverting to America's sweetheart Taylor isn't a good look either. Something in between, genuine, and heartfelt that isn't trying to force you to think Taylor is a victim, bad bitch, or an innocent. Things like "All Too Well," "Back to December," etc. She needs an era of admission. "Yeah, I'm not the saint I pretended to be, but I'm not a bitch either. I'm just a human being with complex problems like everyone else." The problem is that she has created all if her complex problems and everybody knows it That was kinda the immediate turnoff with LWYMMD, imo. People thought she was going to own her actions, and she blamed everything on Kanye.
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Post by Suono on Feb 21, 2018 14:01:33 GMT -5
So is her team just going to pretend this is doing well and hold off releasing the next single? I think they have to push at least one more song to support a massive tour
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Post by Choco on Feb 21, 2018 14:24:30 GMT -5
Callouts were pretty bad. Updating this for future use: 1. Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift (-4986) #1 peak 2. End Game - Taylor Swift ft. Ed Sheeran & Future (-4604) #10 peak 3. Praying - Kesha (-4514) #9 peak 4. Filthy - Justin Timberlake (-4439) #14 peak 5-6. NO - Meghan Trainor (-4432) #7 peak 5-6. ...Ready For It? - Taylor Swift (-4432) #11 peak This is supposed to say Kesha - Die Young, no? I don't recall Die Young's bullet, but Praying also collapsed pretty hard.
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Post by alestevens on Feb 22, 2018 0:13:26 GMT -5
These songs she is releasing are not relatable, that's the main issue here. And all songs are dark and kinda hard on the ears, she needs something that can make an easier listening. IMO, Dont Blame Me or Dress should be next. And most importantly, I Did Something Bad SHOULDN'T be next, radio isn't touching that one with a 10 feet pole!
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Post by ampersand on Feb 22, 2018 1:47:20 GMT -5
“Delicate” is this era’s “Wildest Dreams” imo. It’s a refreshing change of pace for her and a little more palatable than the ~Bad Girl~ image her last three singles have conveyed. I have no idea how it’d do chart-wise, but it’s not like she has much to lose at this point. We’ll most likely get at least one more single to support the tour, so it’ll be interesting to see how her team proceeds from here. IDSB is catchy and all, but it’d be a total mistake to release it now after the three singles with that exact theme have underperformed/flopped. I see the case for “Getaway Car,” but the melody sounds unfinished and lazy to me. I think “Dancing with Our Hands Tied” has been completely slept on here; I wouldn’t mind if it were a single eventually.
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