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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 12, 2018 9:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by djea92 on Mar 12, 2018 23:19:23 GMT -5
Idk why this is struggling to make top 10 when much weaker singles by them have made it before.
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Post by Snowbeast on Mar 13, 2018 0:04:41 GMT -5
Idk why this is struggling to make top 10 when much weaker singles by them have made it before. Because interest in whatever they release is gradually fading, and theyre career trajectory will mimic Nickelback
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Post by djea92 on Mar 13, 2018 0:09:25 GMT -5
Idk why this is struggling to make top 10 when much weaker singles by them have made it before. Because interest in whatever they release is gradually fading, and theyre career trajectory will mimic Nickelback*their. And this is already a false statement because Nickelback were radio darlings from 2001-2010 where as Maroon 5 have been radio darlings for the entirety of their career aside from a small rut in 2010
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 13, 2018 9:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 13, 2018 13:24:45 GMT -5
Because interest in whatever they release is gradually fading, and theyre career trajectory will mimic Nickelback*their. And this is already a false statement because Nickelback were radio darlings from 2001-2010 where as Maroon 5 have been radio darlings for the entirety of their career aside from a small rut in 2010 "Career trajectory" means "from this point forward." It doesn't mean their careers are the exact same from day one.
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Post by djea92 on Mar 13, 2018 14:27:34 GMT -5
*their. And this is already a false statement because Nickelback were radio darlings from 2001-2010 where as Maroon 5 have been radio darlings for the entirety of their career aside from a small rut in 2010 "Career trajectory" means "from this point forward." It doesn't mean their careers are the exact same from day one. Okay except that's also false. Because Nickelback fell off a cliff in 2011 and have done nothing since where as Maroon 5 has dipped slightly since their glory days (Jagger through the V era).
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 14, 2018 9:25:41 GMT -5
POP 17 14 MAROON 5 Wait 6565 6065 500 31.186 + 51 spins - 52 bullet + 0.221 audience
HOT AC 14 12 MAROON 5 Wait 3118 2962 156 18.824 + 49 spins + 28 bullet + 0.240 audience
AC 62 49 MAROON 5 Wait 16 9 7 0.054 = spins - 1 bullet + 0.005 audience
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Post by thirddegree50123 on Mar 14, 2018 13:47:52 GMT -5
"Career trajectory" means "from this point forward." It doesn't mean their careers are the exact same from day one. Okay except that's also false. Because Nickelback fell off a cliff in 2011 and have done nothing since where as Maroon 5 has dipped slightly since their glory days (Jagger through the V era). I always found it strange how "poorly" Nickelback's Dark Horse singles did on Pop after All The Right Reasons had 5 top 10's. "Gotta Be Somebody" in particular seemed like an easy Pop top 5 and stalled at #13. 2011 definitely seemed like a transitional year. Nickelback, Daughtry and the Fray all struggled with lead singles...and on Hot AC even. Then Matchbox, Lifehouse and John Mayer struggled the next year. All the staple artists suddenly were no longer. Maroon 5 could've easily joined them but they modified their sound little by little. How Train has survived is beyond me.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 15, 2018 9:18:46 GMT -5
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AC 55 48 MAROON 5 Wait 17 11 6 0.059 + 1 spin - 1 bullet + 0.005 audience
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Post by Snowbeast on Mar 16, 2018 0:33:46 GMT -5
Okay except that's also false. Because Nickelback fell off a cliff in 2011 and have done nothing since where as Maroon 5 has dipped slightly since their glory days (Jagger through the V era). I always found it strange how "poorly" Nickelback's Dark Horse singles did on Pop after All The Right Reasons had 5 top 10's. "Gotta Be Somebody" in particular seemed like an easy Pop top 5 and stalled at #13. 2011 definitely seemed like a transitional year. Nickelback, Daughtry and the Fray all struggled with lead singles...and on Hot AC even. Then Matchbox, Lifehouse and John Mayer struggled the next year. All the staple artists suddenly were no longer. Maroon 5 could've easily joined them but they modified their sound little by little. How Train has survived is beyond me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but since their second album in 2007, which only had Makes Me Wonder as a hit, they were on the commercial decline until the Moves Like Jagger remix revived them in 2011 and acted as a comeback/projected them to radio darlings status.
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Post by dwhite725 on Mar 16, 2018 1:46:02 GMT -5
I actually really like this song I liked the SZA song but I like this better
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 16, 2018 8:19:52 GMT -5
I always found it strange how "poorly" Nickelback's Dark Horse singles did on Pop after All The Right Reasons had 5 top 10's. "Gotta Be Somebody" in particular seemed like an easy Pop top 5 and stalled at #13. 2011 definitely seemed like a transitional year. Nickelback, Daughtry and the Fray all struggled with lead singles...and on Hot AC even. Then Matchbox, Lifehouse and John Mayer struggled the next year. All the staple artists suddenly were no longer. Maroon 5 could've easily joined them but they modified their sound little by little. How Train has survived is beyond me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but since their second album in 2007, which only had Makes Me Wonder as a hit, they were on the commercial decline until the Moves Like Jagger remix revived them in 2011 and acted as a comeback/projected them to radio darlings status. The only thing needing to be corrected here is that "Moves Like Jagger" wasn't a remix.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 8:32:20 GMT -5
I always found it strange how "poorly" Nickelback's Dark Horse singles did on Pop after All The Right Reasons had 5 top 10's. "Gotta Be Somebody" in particular seemed like an easy Pop top 5 and stalled at #13. 2011 definitely seemed like a transitional year. Nickelback, Daughtry and the Fray all struggled with lead singles...and on Hot AC even. Then Matchbox, Lifehouse and John Mayer struggled the next year. All the staple artists suddenly were no longer. Maroon 5 could've easily joined them but they modified their sound little by little. How Train has survived is beyond me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but since their second album in 2007, which only had Makes Me Wonder as a hit, they were on the commercial decline until the Moves Like Jagger remix revived them in 2011 and acted as a comeback/projected them to radio darlings status. If I'm not mistaken, they've had a steady run of adult radio hits since their breakthrough. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just giving more context. I worked in an office at the time that played a hot ac station all day, so I remember those songs as being popular, even though they weren't high-peaking pop or hot 100 hits. Anywho, Maroon 5 needs to take a break. Too much Adam, if that's even a thing. He probably assumes that once he takes a break, it's over, so he's just milking. it.
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Post by thirddegree50123 on Mar 16, 2018 9:10:51 GMT -5
Correct me if I’m wrong, but since their second album in 2007, which only had Makes Me Wonder as a hit, they were on the commercial decline until the Moves Like Jagger remix revived them in 2011 and acted as a comeback/projected them to radio darlings status. If I'm not mistaken, they've had a steady run of adult radio hits since their breakthrough. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just giving more context. I worked in an office at the time that played a hot ac station all day, so I remember those songs as being popular, even though they weren't high-peaking pop or hot 100 hits. Yeah they definitely continued to have more success on Hot AC during their "low" period. But "Wake Up Call" and "Misery" were both top 10 pop hits as well. Definitely nothing close to their Songs About Jane success but still decent. What I meant was that I wouldn't doubt that if it wasn't for MLJ, they would've suffered the same fate as The Fray, Nickelback etc. in 2011-12.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 9:21:09 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, they've had a steady run of adult radio hits since their breakthrough. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just giving more context. I worked in an office at the time that played a hot ac station all day, so I remember those songs as being popular, even though they weren't high-peaking pop or hot 100 hits. Yeah they definitely continued to have more success on Hot AC during their "low" period. But "Wake Up Call" and "Misery" were both top 10 pop hits as well. Definitely nothing close to their Songs About Jane success but still decent. What I meant was that I wouldn't doubt that if it wasn't for MLJ, they would've suffered the same fate as The Fray, Nickelback etc. in 2011-12. Yeah, I knew what you meant - like I said, I was just giving more context. I also think that Payphone probably would have been fine without MLJ. Christina's pop radio career, maybe not.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 16, 2018 9:36:54 GMT -5
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 16, 2018 10:24:31 GMT -5
Low end positive, second lowest favorite, lowest negative, and lowest burn.
Similar scores to what Max got the first week it entered, but with better reception in other metrics. Good chance of going top 10 if they keep pushing it with a lot ahead falling.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 16, 2018 14:26:40 GMT -5
I really liked this at first but I've grown tired of it, it's pretty boring. Literally all of Maroon 5's recent stuff has been really boring.
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Post by thirddegree50123 on Mar 16, 2018 16:17:29 GMT -5
Glad this song is doing well. Just want to see it go top 10. Then bring on "Best 4 U"
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Post by graham on Mar 16, 2018 21:40:55 GMT -5
I wish the radio played the Chromeo remix.
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Post by Snowbeast on Mar 17, 2018 3:23:38 GMT -5
The whole album is just super generic. I actually loved Overexposed and V for their Max Martin edge, but still captured the Maroon 5 soft-rock persona. Anyone could sing these songs. It’s ok to miss the mark, and I recon the commercial performance will inspire a new record sooner than later.
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Post by weaver on Mar 17, 2018 8:57:20 GMT -5
Yeah they definitely continued to have more success on Hot AC during their "low" period. But "Wake Up Call" and "Misery" were both top 10 pop hits as well. Definitely nothing close to their Songs About Jane success but still decent. What I meant was that I wouldn't doubt that if it wasn't for MLJ, they would've suffered the same fate as The Fray, Nickelback etc. in 2011-12. Yeah, I knew what you meant - like I said, I was just giving more context. I also think that Payphone probably would have been fine without MLJ. Christina's pop radio career, maybe not. This is more in relation to the Hot 100 than the pop charts in particular, but post Makes Me Wonder they struggled. They had no real follow up hit that stuck from their second album. Then when Misery dropped pre-Hands All Over, it did well but couldn't even crack the top 10 of the Hot 100. Then Give a Little More flopped, and Never Gonna Leave This Bed did ok. It was mostly an AC hit, and managed to barely hit the top half of the Hot 100. THEN Moves Like Jagger came along and it turned everything around in Summer/Fall 2011. So they had like a 2-3 year period of underperforming, until they changed their sound somewhat.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 17, 2018 11:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 18, 2018 13:07:41 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Mar 18, 2018 15:49:21 GMT -5
Overexposed was their best mix of trend-chasing and old-Maroon 5. V and especially this last one feel like trend-chasing without any sort of personality. (I'll still defend Sugar, Maps and What Lovers Do as legitimately fun tracks though)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 9:13:41 GMT -5
For me it's all about the end product - if it's good to my ears, it's good. They can trend-chase all they want - and they do - with mixed results. Some songs I love, some songs are just there. I like that they sample sounds and you're never quite sure what you're going to get, but it's usually listenable if not really farking good. I also find it interesting that the songs I really like from them aren't as successful as the songs I don't. For a recent example, Don't Wanna Know vs. Cold. I guess I prefer a darker/emotional sound from them.
It's been pretty fascinating to watch them on the charts, too - aside from a dry spell for a few years, they've not really gone more than 2 years without a hit. Many bands get a hit off a certain sound and then have a few more hits with the same sound and then they're mainstream stint is over. Maroon 5 has decided/managed to evolve (or chase, depending on how you want to look at it) and remain relevant to the general public and on mainstream radio consistently for 15 years. They've had some pop dry spells at pop, yes, but maybe that ultimately helped them get where they landed and took off again, and even now. Not every project and/or song can smash. They walk a VERY fine line between being consistent and having too much output, so it's best that some songs don't fair well in a 15 year of go-go-go.
This song is middle of the road for me in their discography. I like it and it's grown on me quite a bit. It just doesn't seem to have that little something about it that stands out - that thing I end up craving.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 19, 2018 11:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 20, 2018 9:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by djea92 on Mar 20, 2018 15:22:26 GMT -5
This will probably hit top 10 then fall unfortunately
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