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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Nov 29, 2017 1:46:20 GMT -5
Grammy Award for Best Country Album is awarded for quality albums in the country music genre. That's the official description of this award. There is nothing country about Rhett music now... And the fact that he is promoted to country radio and actually getting airplay there tells more about the state of country radio than Rhett being country singer. His music has more influences from other genres than from country and based on the fact who is considered country-pop singer now and was in the past he don't fit into this category... But the fact that his album is marketed as country means that it is going to be nominated for country awards, regardless of any sort of qualitative judgement from listeners like us. That's why Reba's gospel album is nominated in the Gospel category rather than country, despite the fact that it is very country-sounding (probably the most country-sounding release she has put out in the 2010s, if we're being honest!) and could easily be placed in the country category. If Thomas ever officially markets music to pop, then it will make sense to nominate him for pop awards. Yes I know that. It was suppose to be a snarky remarke until he stated building a case that Rhett is country singer which I don't agree he is even if he is promoted as one. |
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Post by Naos on Nov 29, 2017 2:04:51 GMT -5
The Grammys based on quality? Considering all the Grammys that where won when songs/albums sucked? Nah. And no, he's promoted to country radio, he's on the country music charts, especially since he was more country in his earlier years, and 'Life Changes' is a pop country album as a whole. Pop country is still country. Grammy Award for Best Country Album is awarded for quality albums in the country music genre. That's the official description of this award. There is nothing country about Rhett music now... And the fact that he is promoted to country radio and actually getting airplay there tells more about the state of country radio than Rhett being country singer. His music has more influences from other genres than from country and based on the fact who is considered country-pop singer now and was in the past he don't fit into this category... Have you heard his album? "Marry Me", "Renegades", "Drink a Little Beer", are all country songs. |
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Nov 29, 2017 5:56:13 GMT -5
Grammy Award for Best Country Album is awarded for quality albums in the country music genre. That's the official description of this award. There is nothing country about Rhett music now... And the fact that he is promoted to country radio and actually getting airplay there tells more about the state of country radio than Rhett being country singer. His music has more influences from other genres than from country and based on the fact who is considered country-pop singer now and was in the past he don't fit into this category... Have you heard his album? "Marry Me", "Renegades", "Drink a Little Beer", are all country songs. I don't even need to comment on this anymore because you said it all with this statement.... Just look the irony in your words - You managed to find 3 songs out of 14 that sounds country - Drink A Beer is a alright bro country song and other two could probably fit in the broad description of country genre although I don't think they are any different that any other over-produced pop song on this album... And what about other 11? This award is suppose to go to a country album with country songs on it... So no matter what impact did this album have and how many copies it sold (and it's not even a record-breaking best-seller...) album that we need to search for country songs in it has no bussines being nominated for best country album of the year. |
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Post by Naos on Nov 29, 2017 6:13:48 GMT -5
Have you heard his album? "Marry Me", "Renegades", "Drink a Little Beer", are all country songs. I don't even need to comment on this anymore because you said it all with this statement.... Just look the irony in your words - You managed to find 3 songs out of 14 that sounds country - Drink A Beer is a alright bro country song and other two could probably fit in the broad description of country genre although I don't think they are any different that any other over-produced pop song on this album... And what about other 11? This award is suppose to go to a country album with country songs on it... So no matter what impact did this album have and how many copies it sold (and it's not even a record-breaking best-seller...) album that we need to search for country songs in it has no bussines being nominated for best country album of the year. Do you just label genre based on what you don't like? "Drink a Little Beer" isn't bro-country. While it does have similar lyrical content, it does not have any of the elements of hip-hop or electronic music that bro-country tends to have. Sure, there's trap elements here and there, but nothing like what was on 'Tangled Up' (an album I despised by the way). I could have also pointed out "Grave", or "Sixteen". Really, the only pop songs on the record are "Craving You", "Unforgettable", and "Leave Right Now", the latter of which pulls a lot from The Chainsmokers. The rest of it really qualifies as pop country at the very least. It's doing very well on the Billboard 200 compared to most other country albums on there. And considering "Marry Me"'s looking to be a pretty big hit, I'd expect it'll be heading for 200,000 sold in no time at all. And it's not even three months old yet. And it's not counting the fact he's one of the few artists in the country landscape to actually get decent streaming numbers, which probably means it'll get certified relatively quickly compared to other country releases. And also, it's his first #1 on the Billboard 200, and arguably his best record. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 6:26:04 GMT -5
I really didn't care for the Thomas Rhett record either way (I found it to be pretty decent pop music, and Thomas Rhett certainly knows how to write a good hook). But I think that it does fit in with what country radio plays today, and the modern landscape in general, so I am not that surprised to see it nominated. Especially since Thomas Rhett is liking the hottest thing right now in country music in sales, impact and radio.
The only album that really looking at shocked me to see nominated was the Kenny Chesney one. I didn't exactly hate that record but I did feel like there was better nominees than that one (Brad Paisley, Lauren Alaina came to mind as both had great albums this year).
I guess like it's just me but I feel like we might see the award show circuit move on from Miranda Lambert, or at least that is the vibe I'm getting. I mean she only won 1 CMA this year and she is only nominated for a couple of categories this year at the Grammys, where there is probably some uncertainty she will win either category.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Nov 29, 2017 6:48:12 GMT -5
I don't even need to comment on this anymore because you said it all with this statement.... Just look the irony in your words - You managed to find 3 songs out of 14 that sounds country - Drink A Beer is a alright bro country song and other two could probably fit in the broad description of country genre although I don't think they are any different that any other over-produced pop song on this album... And what about other 11? This award is suppose to go to a country album with country songs on it... So no matter what impact did this album have and how many copies it sold (and it's not even a record-breaking best-seller...) album that we need to search for country songs in it has no bussines being nominated for best country album of the year. Do you just label genre based on what you don't like? "Drink a Little Beer" isn't bro-country. While it does have similar lyrical content, it does not have any of the elements of hip-hop or electronic music that bro-country tends to have. Sure, there's trap elements here and there, but nothing like what was on 'Tangled Up' (an album I despised by the way). I could have also pointed out "Grave", or "Sixteen". Really, the only pop songs on the record are "Craving You", "Unforgettable", and "Leave Right Now", the latter of which pulls a lot from The Chainsmokers. The rest of it really qualifies as pop country at the very least. It's doing very well on the Billboard 200 compared to most other country albums on there. And considering "Marry Me"'s looking to be a pretty big hit, I'd expect it'll be heading for 200,000 sold in no time at all. And it's not even three months old yet. And it's not counting the fact he's one of the few artists in the country landscape to actually get decent streaming numbers, which probably means it'll get certified relatively quickly compared to other country releases. And also, it's his first #1 on the Billboard 200, and arguably his best record. So what you are trying to say is Drink a Little Beer" isn't bro-country it just sounds like a bro country and have lyrics like a bro country song? For me this is the example of bro country song although it has quite good instrumentation. And I also never said that I don't like this song... Sure I wouldn't buy it or anything but it is not bad for what it is. I still don't think that this album qualifies for country - pop because it has too little to do with country. I mean Hunt You Down by Kesha also sounds something like country song but still nobody is saying that her album is country. Yes it's selling well but not outstandingly well as one would expect from artist that get's just as much airplay as he wants. |
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Nov 29, 2017 6:50:10 GMT -5
The first thing that I noticed is Alison Krauss being nominated in Best Country Solo Performance category. Losing You in my second favourite from Windy City album and I'm really happy that she got nominated. I hope that either she or Miranda wins this award. I'm also happy that Midland is nominated in two categories although I doubt they will win anything. Nominations for Best Country Album are probably a joke?? I mean LBT, LA end even Thomas Rhett are nominated and Miranda is not?? People who are responsible for nominations must be deaf. No really WTF Life Changes is nominated and The Weight of These Wings is not?? Regarding Thomas Rhett, I think his album had an overall bigger impact on the charts. Not saying it should have been nominated, but that's probably why. Well it depends on what you consider for "impact on the charts". Thomas definitely has more radio support for his singles, but his album has sold a total of 168k this far (after 3 months of release and two #01 records). Miranda's TWotW has sold 133k on her FIRST WEEK of release alone (with her pure sales being at 405k). I would definitely say her album made a bigger impact on the charts during the eligibility period. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 7:49:58 GMT -5
I would have swapped in TWOTW and Midland's "On The Rocks" into Country Album for "Cosmic Hallelujah" and "Life Changes"
Just as a side note, I've always thought "Life Changes" was an awkward sounding title. Like I know it's supposed to be about life changing, but if ever I read the title, it makes me think of like menopause or something. Having not heard the album I can't say that menopause is not a subject on the album, but I have my doubts.
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 29, 2017 9:43:15 GMT -5
I really didn't care for the Thomas Rhett record either way (I found it to be pretty decent pop music, and Thomas Rhett certainly knows how to write a good hook). But I think that it does fit in with what country radio plays today, and the modern landscape in general, so I am not that surprised to see it nominated. Especially since Thomas Rhett is liking the hottest thing right now in country music in sales, impact and radio. The only album that really looking at shocked me to see nominated was the Kenny Chesney one. I didn't exactly hate that record but I did feel like there was better nominees than that one (Brad Paisley, Lauren Alaina came to mind as both had great albums this year). I guess like it's just me but I feel like we might see the award show circuit move on from Miranda Lambert, or at least that is the vibe I'm getting. I mean she only won 1 CMA this year and she is only nominated for a couple of categories this year at the Grammys, where there is probably some uncertainty she will win either category. You are not alone cause its about time. Besides I get the vibe that she's a sore loser |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 29, 2017 13:23:24 GMT -5
I really didn't care for the Thomas Rhett record either way (I found it to be pretty decent pop music, and Thomas Rhett certainly knows how to write a good hook). But I think that it does fit in with what country radio plays today, and the modern landscape in general, so I am not that surprised to see it nominated. Especially since Thomas Rhett is liking the hottest thing right now in country music in sales, impact and radio. The only album that really looking at shocked me to see nominated was the Kenny Chesney one. I didn't exactly hate that record but I did feel like there was better nominees than that one (Brad Paisley, Lauren Alaina came to mind as both had great albums this year). I guess like it's just me but I feel like we might see the award show circuit move on from Miranda Lambert, or at least that is the vibe I'm getting. I mean she only won 1 CMA this year and she is only nominated for a couple of categories this year at the Grammys, where there is probably some uncertainty she will win either category. You are not alone cause its about time. Besides I get the vibe that she's a sore loser Lol, what? She keeps winning Female Vocalist awards even in years she hasn't done much and goes up there and gives a short speech that is basically along the lines of "Wow, I really didn't expect this again. Y'all should check out Carrie Underwood she's awesome." She's literally accepted several awards in the past where she practically said "y'all should've given this to someone else" in the nicest way possible. She's also put out six albums to date and only one of them (her debut) hasn't won an Album of the Year title from one show or another, plus a ton of other awards, so I don't think she's a sore loser for a couple of awards not going to her. I'd say she's pretty humble, honestly. And she's frequently one of the most nominated country artist at most of these awards shows, so whether she goes home empty-handed or only wins like 1/6, that doesn't suggest they're over her. Not getting nominated at all, then we'll talk. |
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Post by Naos on Nov 29, 2017 15:27:04 GMT -5
Do you just label genre based on what you don't like? "Drink a Little Beer" isn't bro-country. While it does have similar lyrical content, it does not have any of the elements of hip-hop or electronic music that bro-country tends to have. Sure, there's trap elements here and there, but nothing like what was on 'Tangled Up' (an album I despised by the way). I could have also pointed out "Grave", or "Sixteen". Really, the only pop songs on the record are "Craving You", "Unforgettable", and "Leave Right Now", the latter of which pulls a lot from The Chainsmokers. The rest of it really qualifies as pop country at the very least. It's doing very well on the Billboard 200 compared to most other country albums on there. And considering "Marry Me"'s looking to be a pretty big hit, I'd expect it'll be heading for 200,000 sold in no time at all. And it's not even three months old yet. And it's not counting the fact he's one of the few artists in the country landscape to actually get decent streaming numbers, which probably means it'll get certified relatively quickly compared to other country releases. And also, it's his first #1 on the Billboard 200, and arguably his best record. So what you are trying to say is Drink a Little Beer" isn't bro-country it just sounds like a bro country and have lyrics like a bro country song? For me this is the example of bro country song although it has quite good instrumentation. And I also never said that I don't like this song... Sure I wouldn't buy it or anything but it is not bad for what it is. I still don't think that this album qualifies for country - pop because it has too little to do with country. I mean Hunt You Down by Kesha also sounds something like country song but still nobody is saying that her album is country. Yes it's selling well but not outstandingly well as one would expect from artist that get's just as much airplay as he wants. I just said the song carries no production elements of bro-country. It has a fiddle, instead of vocal effects that he had on say, "T-Shirt". You're pointing out one song regarding Kesha. Only three songs that qualify as pure pop songs on 'Life Changes'. I've said this already. You're continuing to sound like you haven't heard the album... at all. Granted, you probably would have it disqualified his debut album as well, despite it being obviously country. |
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Post by Naos on Nov 29, 2017 15:35:54 GMT -5
Regarding Thomas Rhett, I think his album had an overall bigger impact on the charts. Not saying it should have been nominated, but that's probably why. Well it depends on what you consider for "impact on the charts". Thomas definitely has more radio support for his singles, but his album has sold a total of 168k this far (after 3 months of release and two #01 records). Miranda's TWotW has sold 133k on her FIRST WEEK of release alone (with her pure sales being at 405k). I would definitely say her album made a bigger impact on the charts during the eligibility period. Actually, she sold 122,000 in the first week. You're referring to her equivalent units. If you want to use units, Thomas sold 123,000 in the first week. You're trying to compare his pure sales, to her units, which is pretty unfair. And he seems to be far stronger in streaming than Miranda is. His album certainly seems like far more consistent (especially if you count streaming). It's been a year since Miranda's album, and I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas outsold her by the time 'Life Changes' is a year old. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 15:44:48 GMT -5
^Miranda's is a double album making the 405K in sales even more impressive.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Nov 29, 2017 15:50:49 GMT -5
So what you are trying to say is Drink a Little Beer" isn't bro-country it just sounds like a bro country and have lyrics like a bro country song? For me this is the example of bro country song although it has quite good instrumentation. And I also never said that I don't like this song... Sure I wouldn't buy it or anything but it is not bad for what it is. I still don't think that this album qualifies for country - pop because it has too little to do with country. I mean Hunt You Down by Kesha also sounds something like country song but still nobody is saying that her album is country. Yes it's selling well but not outstandingly well as one would expect from artist that get's just as much airplay as he wants. I just said the song carries no production elements of bro-country. It has a fiddle, instead of vocal effects that he had on say, "T-Shirt". You're pointing out one song regarding Kesha. Only three songs that qualify as pure pop songs on 'Life Changes'. I've said this already. You're continuing to sound like you haven't heard the album... at all. Granted, you probably would have it disqualified his debut album as well, despite it being obviously country. So basicaly the fact that I disagree with you automaticaly means that I didn't listen to the album? When one runs out of arguments... So this album is pure country masterpice... Oh and The Grass is Blue.... |
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Post by Naos on Nov 29, 2017 16:33:08 GMT -5
I just said the song carries no production elements of bro-country. It has a fiddle, instead of vocal effects that he had on say, "T-Shirt". You're pointing out one song regarding Kesha. Only three songs that qualify as pure pop songs on 'Life Changes'. I've said this already. You're continuing to sound like you haven't heard the album... at all. Granted, you probably would have it disqualified his debut album as well, despite it being obviously country. So basicaly the fact that I disagree with you automaticaly means that I didn't listen to the album? When one runs out of arguments... So this album is pure country masterpice... Oh and The Grass is Blue.... No, that isn't what I said, but it's clear you have some sort of blind bias here. And this is coming from someone who trashed Rhett's 'Tangled Up', for being labeled country, even though, for the most part, it was a genre-blending mess that was utter garbage. You sound like the same kind of people who'd dismiss early Taylor Swift records for being too "poppy" for country radio. Not everyone's going to be Sturgill Simpson, Eric Church, Angaleena Presley, and Chris Stapleton. |
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Nov 29, 2017 17:02:09 GMT -5
So basicaly the fact that I disagree with you automaticaly means that I didn't listen to the album? When one runs out of arguments... So this album is pure country masterpice... Oh and The Grass is Blue.... No, that isn't what I said, but it's clear you have some sort of blind bias here. And this is coming from someone who trashed Rhett's 'Tangled Up', for being labeled country, even though, for the most part, it was a genre-blending mess that was utter garbage. You sound like the same kind of people who'd dismiss early Taylor Swift records for being too "poppy" for country radio. Not everyone's going to be Sturgill Simpson, Eric Church, Angaleena Presley, and Chris Stapleton. Look I listened to this album after grammy nominations was reveald and I just wasn't impresed by it. It's sounds too pop for my taste and I don't believe that it deserve being nominated for best country album. But that's just my opinion. I can't judge his first or second album because I don't know any songs outside Die A Happy Man that I don't like. When it comes to TS I do believe that she belongs more to pop music and it looks like she is doing great there. There are songs from different albums that I like my 2 favourite being Back To December and Blank Space. And I know that not everybody will sounds like Sturgill Simpson or Chris Stapleton but it would also be nice that artists like them would get more airplay. |
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Nov 29, 2017 17:59:56 GMT -5
Well it depends on what you consider for "impact on the charts". Thomas definitely has more radio support for his singles, but his album has sold a total of 168k this far (after 3 months of release and two #01 records). Miranda's TWotW has sold 133k on her FIRST WEEK of release alone (with her pure sales being at 405k). I would definitely say her album made a bigger impact on the charts during the eligibility period. Actually, she sold 122,000 in the first week. You're referring to her equivalent units. If you want to use units, Thomas sold 123,000 in the first week. You're trying to compare his pure sales, to her units, which is pretty unfair. And he seems to be far stronger in streaming than Miranda is. His album certainly seems like far more consistent (especially if you count streaming). It's been a year since Miranda's album, and I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas outsold her by the time 'Life Changes' is a year old. I had her debut numbers mixed up cause I used what I had in my memory, but even after doing proper research, her debut tops his in any way you wanna put it, being in pure sales ( 122k x 94k), being in equivalent units ( 133k x 123k). By the time she crossed her 3rd month of release (on the February 13, 2017 charts), she had already sold 271k in pure sales ( #06 on that week's Country Albums Charts), while Thomas, about to reach his 3rd month now, has sold CONSIDERABLY less ( 175k) placing #13 on this week's Country Albums Chart. "The Weight of These Wings" impact on the charts was a lot bigger than "Life Changes" is having. Considering her album was double record with not even a Top10 hit, while his is a standard release with two back-to-back #01s, her album impact seems even more impressive if you ask me. I can't really comment on future sales as I don't have a crystal ball, but if he plans to outsell her current pure sales total ( 405k) by the time he reaches his 1st year anniversary, he will need to up his sales game, because with the 4k weekly sales he's been getting, it will be a tough climb. Having said all that, numbers and charts shouldn't have so much impact on Grammys... they should leave that to the AMAs or the Billboard Awards  |
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 29, 2017 18:24:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean if we wanna argue about 'impact' being a factor then why the heck did they nominate Alison Krauss for anything? (And this isn't a dig at her because I think she's deserving, just like Brandy Clark was last year.) There's no set criteria for what the Grammy Awards goes for, but generally they've had a penchant for nominating stuff that was critically acclaimed before stuff that was paint-by-numbers to the masses. I think Thomas Rhett being nominated for Life Changes is a strange choice, but in all honesty Kenny Chesney's probably the one who had no business being in there over Miranda Lambert's album. Still gave her multiple nods for "Tin Man" though, so it's weird that her album got snubbed, but she did get some love at least.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Nov 29, 2017 18:41:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean if we wanna argue about 'impact' being a factor then why the heck did they nominate Alison Krauss for anything? (And this isn't a dig at her because I think she's deserving, just like Brandy Clark was last year.) There's no set criteria for what the Grammy Awards goes for, but generally they've had a penchant for nominating stuff that was critically acclaimed before stuff that was paint-by-numbers to the masses. I think Thomas Rhett being nominated for Life Changes is a strange choice, but in all honesty Kenny Chesney's probably the one who had no business being in there over Miranda Lambert's album. Still gave her multiple nods for "Tin Man" though, so it's weird that her album got snubbed, but she did get some love at least. I totally agree, that's the weirdest part of it. She missed Album but was nominated in 2 categories that were far more competitive (considering this wasn't a particularly big year for country albums) |
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Post by fridayteenage on Dec 2, 2017 11:50:17 GMT -5
Females this decade so far:
Miranda - Albumx3, Songx3, Performancex6
Taylor - Albumx3, Songx3, Performancex2
Brandy - Albumx2, Song, Performance
Maren - Album, Song, Performancex2
Kacey - Albumx2, Song
Lee Ann - Albumx2, Performancex2
Carrie - Performancex7
Martina - Performancex2
Ashley, Loretta - Album
Jewel, LeAnn, Gretchen, Cam, Alison - Performance
Only counting Solo Performance; and only counting Songs they wrote for themselves.
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