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Post by Leo β on Dec 2, 2017 12:24:57 GMT -5
I guess this is the RVS. So far, the newbies are who have votes against. Web I didn't vote garevy because he is a easy target, at this point I think only the inactive players or the newbie players are easy targets, I voted for him because (like I already said) his post "I'll be watching" reminded me to his last gameplay, where he delayed and delayed his opinions, I tried to get an opinion of himb but I got nothing. garevy is gravey lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 12:32:00 GMT -5
Looking at all this, I honestly don't think that the new players like greentoo are suspicious. They are brand new and they trying to be active and do what they can to help out like what myloninja did last game. So as of right now I'm getting a town lean on greentoo.
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Post by Web on Dec 2, 2017 12:36:19 GMT -5
It's not really RVS, it's kind of a weird hybrid because my votes aren't random and do have a purpose behind them, it's just that they aren't necessarily because I think the players are scum yet.
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 2, 2017 12:41:24 GMT -5
Thoughts so far now that I am reading on my computer vs my phone: Like I mentioned before, Milo has certainly stepped his game up from last season. I don't know if that's because he has a different role than just town (good or bad power role) or if he just learned a lot from the first game and is being more helpful now (could be both, but I'm definitely thinking the latter is definitely part of the growth here). He's contributed a good bit so far and I appreciate the effort, especially when there's nothing to go off of. The greentoo and Leo vote on gravey is a little suspicious and could be a newbie scumslip, but I wouldn't get too caught up on that. I agree with what Web said that it may have just been them seeing gravey as an easy target instead. However, on D1 when there's nothing really to go off of at all, this potential scumslip may be our best bet at a vote so far. Thewebinator, kunt and Az have been their usual selves and extremely helpful in dissecting strategy and interpreting rules. Newbies, definitely learn from each of them! It certainly helped me understand the rules and think differently to catch the mafia last game. Cynthia has also added some good strategy into the mix (especially with the Good Elf chat). Her first post once coming into the game was "I'm ready to catch the mafia" which is great, but I know last game we ragged on some people for being too excited about the mafia getting caught. Not a strong lean away from being town thanks to her follow-up post, but worth noting. Willapted hasn't posted anything yet and Sam hasn't been very active either. Gravey has been active so far but hasn't contributed much overall (similar playing style to last game). So the roleblocker can only start use their power after they pick a side? The roleblocker is able to use their power every round Wait, so they can use their roleblock before they choose a side on D2? Or they can use their roleblock every round once they've picked a side which would likely mean it would be implemented for N2/D3? The good elf will not get a special role read on the roleblocker. They will only see that they are a townsperson. The conductor would see they are not suspicious on night 1 but night 2 they would see suspicious So if I'm understanding this correctly, the Good Elf will read the person as town no matter which side the roleblocker sides with? So if Good Elf investigates the roleblocker that aligned themselves with Krampus on Night 3 (for example) they'll just get a read that they are a townsperson? If so, then damn this roleblocker is gonna be hard to pinpoint, which will be bad if they side with mafia. However, this also makes the conductor more useful if they're the only one that gets a read on the roleblocker - but even then they won't know if they're good or bad, just that they're something. Without communication between conductor/good elf, it'll be hard to sniff out the roleblock. Assuming that the roleblocker will wait to choose a side until they have a better idea on how things shake up from D1 (if we lynch a mafia or a town/power role), its imperative that we get lucky like we did last time and lynch a mafia so that the roleblocker sides with town. Mafia don't have a roleblocker role built-in this time, so they'll be much weaker without the power to ever stop the cop (Conductor/Good Elf) or doctor (Santa). Another side question: assuming the roleblock sides with town, if they successfully block Krampus, will the evil elves be able to still carry out the kill or would that mean that no one can get eaten (since Krampus is technically the one doing the eating)? And on the flip side, if roleblock sides with Krampus, if town kills Krampus and both evil elves, do we win or does roleblock get taken over by Krampus then? If its the former, then that's a good thing because even if the roleblocker flips to mafia, we still only need to kill 3 mafia for town to win.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 2, 2017 12:48:04 GMT -5
Are people considered βtownβ just the townspeople or does it include the good guys (conductor, good elf and Santa)?
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 2, 2017 12:48:33 GMT -5
Looking at all this, I honestly don't think that the new players like greentoo are suspicious. They are brand new and they trying to be active and do what they can to help out like what myloninja did last game. So as of right now I'm getting a town lean on greentoo. Well what is your thought process then if you don't think newbies are suspicious? Would you rather town focus on lynching someone like thewebinator or Kunt that are helping the newbies learn or lynch someone like greentoo who doesn't know what he's doing right now and isn't being very helpful? Nothing against you greentoo, you're not the only one who is new and still figuring out what's going on. If you're defending greentoo, then who do you think is suspicious? I'd like to see you elaborate on this more and even place a vote if you're so confident in greentoo being innocent :) vote: gravey
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 12:49:38 GMT -5
zaclord π as of right now I am still reading and not really finding anyone suspicious yet. Maybe a slight scum lean on Leo for what he did but thats all. Need to see what else happens today.
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 2, 2017 12:49:39 GMT -5
Are people considered βtownβ just the townspeople or does it include the good guys (conductor, good elf and Santa)? The good guys (santa etc) are also considered town. They're just the town power roles and more important to keep alive than just the regular townspeople. If town wins (by killing all the mafia), then the power roles win too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 12:50:24 GMT -5
Having multiple votes is usually a good sign. Applying pressure and keeping your options open is a town sign more than anything. That said, itβs still early day 1 and scum knows this just as much as town does. What I mean to say is itβs not a scumtell, but itβs not a town tell either. Also just putting it out there: donβt flavor or role claim unless you absolutely have to. Itβs never a good idea to give away that kind of info. Donβt think this was addressed before. kinda far-fetched scenario but what if a Leo and greentoo mafia wanted to try and bump off gravey (since in their eyes he'd be an easy target) so decided to pick him as their target and inadvertently voted him at roughly the same time? The fact that their votes came in within five minutes of each other is pretty weird. Yeah it's unlikely, and if the mafia has any of the experienced players I mentioned above they'd probably stop that plan but since there have been so few interactions I'm just working with what I have. Thoughts? This feels premature, lol. I mean, I get it, but it doesnβt really stand out to me. For some reason I had my eye on you but looking back Iβm struggling to remember why. Iβll have to reasses but Iβd also like to hear more from zaclord and Cynthia.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 12:58:40 GMT -5
Looking at all this, I honestly don't think that the new players like greentoo are suspicious. They are brand new and they trying to be active and do what they can to help out like what myloninja did last game. So as of right now I'm getting a town lean on greentoo. Well what is your thought process then if you don't think newbies are suspicious? Would you rather town focus on lynching someone like thewebinator or Kunt that are helping the newbies learn or lynch someone like greentoo who doesn't know what he's doing right now and isn't being very helpful? Nothing against you greentoo, you're not the only one who is new and still figuring out what's going on. If you're defending greentoo, then who do you think is suspicious? I'd like to see you elaborate on this more and even place a vote if you're so confident in greentoo being innocent :) vote: graveyHas geeentoo done anything to warrant a vote through? Just asking you to clarify because your statement here implies you find him worth voting for, at least as I understand it.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 2, 2017 13:21:13 GMT -5
Unvote gravey
I think he understands the new players and doesnβt vote for them just because theyβre not adding anything to the game. Everyone has to start somewhere. Heβs also started posting more and nothing heβs said seems suspicious.
Vote: zaclord
It feels like heβs trying to push people into voting for certain players and away from voting for him.
Anyway I donβt think Iβll be asking many more questions. Iβve got the gist of the game now and I know most of the key terms. At the moment, I donβt have any strategies for the game so.
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Post by Web on Dec 2, 2017 13:26:43 GMT -5
zaclord curious why you're voting gravey if you think he's using the same playstyle as last game where he flipped town?
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 2, 2017 13:33:26 GMT -5
Greentoo and gravey protecting each other? Might be just me and my imaginative head but hey...
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 2, 2017 13:36:00 GMT -5
Is it realistic if greentoo's "random vote" for gravey at the start of the game was just a mask for them? Maybe one of the more experienced players in the scum group told greentoo to do so.
Again, just analyzing things, I might be right or might be wrong. I'm still taking shaky steps.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 13:37:28 GMT -5
Look at scum trying to team up on the noob again. They tried with mylo last game and look what happened.
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 2, 2017 13:39:49 GMT -5
Who do you refer to as scum tho, there, gravey. Any ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 13:54:59 GMT -5
Who do you refer to as scum tho, there, gravey. Any ideas? The ones who are after the noobies, I get slight scum lean from the start, but I may not have that lead on them forever.
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 2, 2017 14:46:38 GMT -5
zaclord curious why you're voting gravey if you think he's using the same playstyle as last game where he flipped town? When I started typing this, it was before gravey said this. This was actually the last post I saw before I started typing mine. So until gravey's linked post here, I thought he was playing a similar game like last time. I'm confused why he's defending greentoo just for being new and trying to figure out why, which is why I put a vote down for him, to try and get him to explain (which he didn't). More below... Well what is your thought process then if you don't think newbies are suspicious? Would you rather town focus on lynching someone like thewebinator or Kunt that are helping the newbies learn or lynch someone like greentoo who doesn't know what he's doing right now and isn't being very helpful? Nothing against you greentoo, you're not the only one who is new and still figuring out what's going on. If you're defending greentoo, then who do you think is suspicious? I'd like to see you elaborate on this more and even place a vote if you're so confident in greentoo being innocent vote: graveyHas geeentoo done anything to warrant a vote through? Just asking you to clarify because your statement here implies you find him worth voting for, at least as I understand it. The only thing that's even slightly suspicious is his echo of Leo's vote for gravey initially. I was much more concerned with gravey saying "I don't find any of the newbies suspicious". I mostly think that greentoo is townie that's just learning how to play and his vote for gravey at the same time as Leo was more of a fluke than anything, but if gravey is suggesting that we shouldn't vote for any of the new people and instead lynch someone who has experience, that's either just bad game play or something scummy is going on there. With it being gravey, I honestly don't know, and my vote on him isn't solid. Again it was to encourage him to explain why he was defending the newbies more than anything else. I'm genuinely interested to hear why he thinks its such a bad idea to go after the newbies on D1. Right now, the only plan I've heard (that makes sense) is to vote out a less active or less helpful (read: inexperienced) player because the experienced ones help others understand and are good at the analysis of what others' posts from the past could say about who they are. Even if someone like you or thewebinator are mafia, you're helping analyze the game and helping the rest of the newbies understand how to play and become better, more helpful players. I have nothing against greentoo right now, but I think someone like thewebinator and Az who played really well last game and helped town win would be a mistake to vote out without any reason to vote them, which is kinda what gravey's post read like to me (although I'm aware he didn't call anyone out specifically), which is why I was pressuring him to clarify. TLDR: I'm fine with gravey defending greentoo, I'm not fine with him saying we shouldn't target any newbies just because they're new and learning. I'd like to hear more from @antigonerising and willapted33, and some more concrete thoughts/suspicions from Sambalada and Leo β too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 14:51:20 GMT -5
Who do you refer to as scum tho, there, gravey. Any ideas? The ones who are after the noobies, I get slight scum lean from the start, but I may not have that lead on them forever. That... is not an asnwer lol. Who is actually ganging up on the newbies?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 14:59:37 GMT -5
The ones who are after the noobies, I get slight scum lean from the start, but I may not have that lead on them forever. That... is not an asnwer lol. Who is actually ganging up on the newbies? You know, Im having trouble reading and I was quick to call people scum. Its just that I think that greentoo is a Town lean and whoever that ended up trying to vote him up, I feel like could end up being scum trying to lynch the new people. I was quick to assume stuff and thats where I went wrong so I apologize on that and for the messup I guess.
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Post by Leo β on Dec 2, 2017 15:08:10 GMT -5
So far as I'm seeing the things, the only thing that i'm worried is if the town/roleblockeer allies with the evil said, that happens in day 2, so if the first lynch is a townie, the players would be 3 good guys, 4 bad guys and 3 townies, and this could be a problem
I think the best scenario is to lynch a bad guy or the townie with secret power.
My doubt is how the townie with secret power picks a side?
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Post by Leo β on Dec 2, 2017 15:11:51 GMT -5
So far as I'm seeing the things, the only thing that i'm worried is if the town/roleblockeer allies with the evil said, that happens in day 2, so if the first lynch is a townie, the players would be 3 good guys, 4 bad guys and 3 townies, and this could be a problem I think the best scenario is to lynch a bad guy or the townie with secret power. My doubt is how the townie with secret power picks a side? Ok this is so bad wrote, let me fix this. (My computer is lagging hard and idk why) After D1/N1, if the lynch results in a townie and the townie with the secret power alligns with the bad boys, the "teams" would look: 3 good gous, 3 townies and 4 bad guys, which is a bad balance for town. My question is how the roleclocker townie picks a side??
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Post by willapted33 on Dec 2, 2017 15:26:05 GMT -5
-Sorry I was asleep that whole time-
Anyways, I don't really think anyone's being suspicious so far, so I'll just vote randomly for now
Vote: thewebinator
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 2, 2017 15:26:41 GMT -5
Okay, this is interesting. Firstly, greentoo , I understand that this is your first game and you don't really understand everything yet, but saying something like "Plz don't vote for me!" is not helpful to town. If you want to avoid being voted for, ask questions. Ask a player why they don't find another one suspicious. Ask castle about the general set-up. And if people vote for you, that does not mean they are scum/mafia. They could be, but don't forget there is only 3/4 mafia members, and odds are they won't all attack the same person. Often, new players get pressure put on them because no one knows their playing style. Secondly, willapted33 , you haven't participated much at all this day period. If you are still confused, you can ask questions. If you understand the game, please talk. A majority if the time, the first day lynch is an inactive. Right now, that is undoubtedly you. Thirdly, Leo β , I'd just assume the person used a PM to tell castle.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Dec 2, 2017 15:27:54 GMT -5
Oops, sorry willapted, you got in there just before I posted.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 15:28:40 GMT -5
willapted33 I don't think that voting randomly just to get a vote in is a good idea. What do you think of all the other posts so far?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 15:30:33 GMT -5
vote: gravey
Not liking how quickly you backed off there. Itβs not out of character, but how quickly you flipped on that opinion gives me pause. Iβm interested if this could somehow relate to the nonexistent greento wagon.
RE: why I thought thewebinator was sus, it had to do with saying the vets werenβt active enough when (at the time) it had only been a day. Didnβt make much sense but thatβs not cause for suspicion per se so nvm.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 2, 2017 15:31:08 GMT -5
Okay, this is interesting. Firstly,Β greentoo , I understand that this is your first game and you don't really understand everything yet, but saying something like "Plz don't vote for me!" is not helpful to town. If you want to avoid being voted for, ask questions. Ask a player why they don't find another one suspicious. Ask castle about the general set-up. And if people vote for you, that does notΒ mean they are scum/mafia. They could be, but don't forget there is only 3/4 mafia members, and odds are they won't all attack the same person. Often, new players get pressure put on them because no one knows their playing style. Secondly,Β willapted33 , you haven't participated much at all this day period. If you are still confused, you can ask questions. If you understand the game, please talk. A majority if the time, the first day lynch is an inactive. Right now, that is undoubtedly you.Β Thirdly,Β Leo β , I'd just assume the person used a PM to tell castle. I knew people would pick me up on saying that. I just wanted to put it out there and test my luck. Iβll try and be more useful from now on.
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Post by willapted33 on Dec 2, 2017 15:31:55 GMT -5
I'm not really sure but I guess greentoo has been acting weirdly
so - unvote thewebinator
Vote: greentoo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 15:33:22 GMT -5
And this makes it more complicated when another new player is confused and does not know what he is doing. Greentoo is just as new as you. How has he been acting weirdly in your opinion? Please provide us more details. Thanks.
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