Billboard Hot 100: 1/13/2018

[85la]

Oh, poor Camila, stuck with a six week Hot 100 #2 and a #1 radio and pop song, what a flop! Strange how everyone is just ignoring that the band she ditched, and which was pretty much treated as the second coming of the Beatles on this board, has failed to even crack the top 40 since she left.

I wouldn't be particularly upset by this if there weren't this excessive focus on her being blocked and deprived and so much hate being spewed at many of the other songs, such as Gucci Gang, Thunder, and even Perfect, when this song and ESPECIALLY the singer, imo, ain't much better.

[renfield75]

Jan 8, 2018 22:23:00 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Jan 8, 2018 22:18:09 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

If Bruno blocks Camila from the top, Finesse would be the 3rd song that blocked Havana. Happened before??

Yes, at the very least with "I'm Not in Love", by 10cc, in 1975, kept from the top spot by "The Hustle" (Van McCoy & The Soul City Symphony), "One of These Nights" (Eagles) and "Jive Talkin'" (Bee Gees). A darn shame, cos "I'm Not in Love" is way better than any of those #1s.

It also happened with Paul McCartney's "Live And Let Die" in 1973. Like "I'm Not In Love", it was number two for three consecutive weeks and was blocked from the top each week by a different number one: Maureen McGovern's "The Morning After", Diana Ross' "Touch Me In The Morning", and Stories' "Brother Louie".

[rainie]

Yay Best Friend and One Foot entered, Finesse got a strong debut, and New Rules got a new peak! I really hope NR doesn't miss the top 10 tho ugh.

[Deleted]

Shame nowadays by Lil Skies didn’t debut, glad to see Roll In Peace finally in the Top 50 after being 51 for 3 weeks though

[chartslovergermany]

omg guys i‘m literally crying that havana is back at 2.
i‘m so happy this made my day.
It‘s one my favorite song in this moment and it wouldn’t be a drama if it doesn’t hit nr1 but it would be great 👍🏼

[mako]

^^Finally charted (in the top 50)! F**k this song makes me lit as well

[Choco]

Jan 9, 2018 0:15:37 GMT -5 85la said:

Strange how everyone is just ignoring that the band she ditched, and which was pretty much treated as the second coming of the Beatles on this board, has failed to even crack the top 40 since she left.

LOL, no, but hey...

[Golden Bluebird]

Jan 9, 2018 0:15:37 GMT -5 85la said:

I wouldn't be particularly upset by this if there weren't this excessive focus on her being blocked and deprived and so much hate being spewed at many of the other songs, such as Gucci Gang, Thunder, and even Perfect, when this song and ESPECIALLY the singer, imo, ain't much better.

Okay but all of those songs are indeed way worse than "Havana", especially "Thunder".

[renaboss]

Jan 9, 2018 0:15:37 GMT -5 85la said:

Oh, poor Camila, stuck with a six week Hot 100 #2 and a #1 radio and pop song, what a flop! Strange how everyone is just ignoring that the band she ditched, and which was pretty much treated as the second coming of the Beatles on this board, has failed to even crack the top 40 since she left.

I wouldn't be particularly upset by this if there weren't this excessive focus on her being blocked and deprived and so much hate being spewed at many of the other songs, such as Gucci Gang, Thunder, and even Perfect, when this song and ESPECIALLY the singer, imo, ain't much better.

Was there even any hate spewed towards those songs in these threads? I only recall "rockstar" being hated on, since it's the one most notorious for keeping "Havana" from reaching #1. I did some of the hating myself, admittedly.

People can't help commenting on the songs they like and dislike, myself included. So when a song I don't like keeps a song I do like from the top spot, it obviously aggravates me. I deal with it, but it's disappointing. I have listened to "rockstar" again and again and I can't like that song, there is honestly nothing about it for me to like. It's as ostentatious and wannabe-gangsta as any hit rap song, its lyrics are devoid of any meaningful content just like any generic pop song, and I would be just fine with those things because I love pop music, I don't need my songs to be meaningful. But it's boring. It's just soooooooo boring for me. I don't find it the least bit catchy, earwormy, I think it's so forgettable. But that's me, a lot of people seem to adore this song, as I've mentioned before, so at the very least it's not that mind-boggling as a #1.

But "Havana", "Havana" is catchy. It's popular and I'd say more people could recognize that song right now than they could "rockstar". It'd make even more sense, for me, for it to be a #1 hit, and I'd be happier with it because I actually like it. But oh well, you take what you can get. What's been disappointing for me has been very pleasing for others, everyone gets a turn, and there have been worse #1s. "Black Beatles" was even more boring, IMO. And don't get me started on instrumentals that hit #1, I like my songs SUNG.

As for Fifth Harmony, I wouldn't know about any of that since I'm new to this forum. Hard to believe anyone would compare them to the Beatles, though. The Supremes, if anything. And they'd still pale by comparison big time. Biiiiiig time. I wish them and Camila the very best, so long as they put out good music. 

[fhas]

People act like Havana is a masterpiece, but it's just another pop song that receives massive support from radio and couldn't even manage to dethrone rockstar with the latter only releasing its official video after 6 weeks at #1 and peaking with 52k points. It's like if rap fans said that Black & Yellow was a masterpiece when it hit #1 in 2011 during an era that rap wasn't that big.

[renfield75]

While I think New Rules will make the top ten eventually, so far 2018 has given us three #11 hits in three weeks: River, LOVE., and New Rules. Hopefully New Rules continues moving up and LOVE. rebounds into the top ten!

[leonagwen]

Now I'm really ticked off that Havana didn't get #1.If Ed doesn't have the Beyonce duet,Perfect most likely never would have made it to #1.Camila passed Rockstar this week and would have got #1 if it wasn't for Beyonce.

[renaboss]

Jan 9, 2018 12:39:34 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Now I'm really ticked off that Havana didn't get #1.If Ed doesn't have the Beyonce duet,Perfect most likely never would have made it to #1.Camila passed Rockstar this week and would have got #1 if it wasn't for Beyonce.

I'm not so sure about that, Beyoncé's addition didn't do for "Perfect" what Bieber's did for "Despacito", not by a long shot. "Perfect" was the #3 song before Beyoncé got credited and kept climbing, are we forgetting that? It was a big hit of its own accord and by all accounts the original version is still faring better than the duet(s). It could have maybe hit #1 by itself, but I guess we'll never know now.

And by that logic, "rockstar" would have logged 12 weeks at the summit. I cannot stomach that notion, 8 was punishment enough for me. 

[Gary]

More precisely, Beyonce would not have hit #1 without the Beyonce duet.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

It appears that the Billboard Biz previews have not refreshed at this point ...

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

I’m not sure why people are so extra about needing Havana to go #1. It’s a B/B+ pop song by a nondescript singer. It’s not like it’s an “Into You” masterpiece being blocked.

[Au$tin]

Jan 9, 2018 12:39:34 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Now I'm really ticked off that Havana didn't get #1.If Ed doesn't have the Beyonce duet,Perfect most likely never would have made it to #1.Camila passed Rockstar this week and would have got #1 if it wasn't for Beyonce.

How do you figure? The song was already a hit on its own before the Beyoncé duet and was already on track to be a future number one hit. The duet just got it there earlier. "Havana" still would not have surpassed "rockstar" until the week. Even removing the data from the duet, "Perfect" would still be above "Havana" on the Hot 100 as "Perfect" is above "Havana" on sales and airplay when removing the duet. "Havana" then would only have a slight streaming advantage, but not enough to overtake it. They would certainly be closer, but "Perfect" would still be #1 right now without the duet. This isn't like "Despacito." The duet isn't the reason "Perfect" became a hit, it's just the reason it got to number one earlier. It was already headed that way.

[deepston]

Jan 9, 2018 15:08:29 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

I’m not sure why people are so extra about needing Havana to go #1. It’s a B/B+ pop song by a nondescript singer. It’s not like it’s an “Into You” masterpiece being blocked.

I don't think rooting for a song you like that has been blocked for 6 weeks is being extra but that's me.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Jan 9, 2018 15:31:20 GMT -5 deepston said:

Jan 9, 2018 15:08:29 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

I’m not sure why people are so extra about needing Havana to go #1. It’s a B/B+ pop song by a nondescript singer. It’s not like it’s an “Into You” masterpiece being blocked.

I don't think rooting for a song you like that has been blocked for 6 weeks is being extra but that's me.

You’ve been extra about the song going number one before it even spent a single week at #2. 😂

[deepston]

Jan 9, 2018 15:32:41 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Jan 9, 2018 15:31:20 GMT -5 deepston said:

I don't think rooting for a song you like that has been blocked for 6 weeks is being extra but that's me.

You’ve been extra about the song going number one before it even spent a single week at #2. 😂

Extra? Care to show me the receipts?
Isn't this why this thread exists anyway? To comment on chart positions and predict chart changes? I'm confused.

[leonagwen]

Jan 9, 2018 15:17:54 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jan 9, 2018 12:39:34 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Now I'm really ticked off that Havana didn't get #1.If Ed doesn't have the Beyonce duet,Perfect most likely never would have made it to #1.Camila passed Rockstar this week and would have got #1 if it wasn't for Beyonce.

How do you figure? The song was already a hit on its own before the Beyoncé duet and was already on track to be a future number one hit. The duet just got it there earlier. "Havana" still would not have surpassed "rockstar" until the week. Even removing the data from the duet, "Perfect" would still be above "Havana" on the Hot 100 as "Perfect" is above "Havana" on sales and airplay when removing the duet. "Havana" then would only have a slight streaming advantage, but not enough to overtake it. They would certainly be closer, but "Perfect" would still be #1 right now without the duet. This isn't like "Despacito." The duet isn't the reason "Perfect" became a hit, it's just the reason it got to number one earlier. It was already headed that way.

Beyonce gave it that extra push to get to #1.No one really knows what would have happened if the Beyonce and Ed duet never happened.I just feel that Camila deserves at least 1 week at #1.

[Gary]

A short burst and short-lived at best.


The Beyonce song is #3 of the three versions sales-wis

The solo version would have been #1 anyway

[85la]

Jan 9, 2018 9:50:07 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Jan 9, 2018 0:15:37 GMT -5 85la said:

Oh, poor Camila, stuck with a six week Hot 100 #2 and a #1 radio and pop song, what a flop! Strange how everyone is just ignoring that the band she ditched, and which was pretty much treated as the second coming of the Beatles on this board, has failed to even crack the top 40 since she left.

I wouldn't be particularly upset by this if there weren't this excessive focus on her being blocked and deprived and so much hate being spewed at many of the other songs, such as Gucci Gang, Thunder, and even Perfect, when this song and ESPECIALLY the singer, imo, ain't much better.

Was there even any hate spewed towards those songs in these threads? I only recall "rockstar" being hated on, since it's the one most notorious for keeping "Havana" from reaching #1. I did some of the hating myself, admittedly.

People can't help commenting on the songs they like and dislike, myself included. So when a song I don't like keeps a song I do like from the top spot, it obviously aggravates me. I deal with it, but it's disappointing. I have listened to "rockstar" again and again and I can't like that song, there is honestly nothing about it for me to like. It's as ostentatious and wannabe-gangsta as any hit rap song, its lyrics are devoid of any meaningful content just like any generic pop song, and I would be just fine with those things because I love pop music, I don't need my songs to be meaningful. But it's boring. It's just soooooooo boring for me. I don't find it the least bit catchy, earwormy, I think it's so forgettable. But that's me, a lot of people seem to adore this song, as I've mentioned before, so at the very least it's not that mind-boggling as a #1.

But "Havana", "Havana" is catchy. It's popular and I'd say more people could recognize that song right now than they could "rockstar". It'd make even more sense, for me, for it to be a #1 hit, and I'd be happier with it because I actually like it. But oh well, you take what you can get. What's been disappointing for me has been very pleasing for others, everyone gets a turn, and there have been worse #1s. "Black Beatles" was even more boring, IMO. And don't get me started on instrumentals that hit #1, I like my songs SUNG.

As for Fifth Harmony, I wouldn't know about any of that since I'm new to this forum. Hard to believe anyone would compare them to the Beatles, though. The Supremes, if anything. And they'd still pale by comparison big time. Biiiiiig time. I wish them and Camila the very best, so long as they put out good music. 

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Regarding the hate being spewed, there was at least some discussion about Gucci Gang and Thunder being boring and repetitive as well, as well as the moral/legal questionableness of Lil Pump (which I don't dispute) and people questioning why it would be able to rank so high almost solely due to streaming. I actually am not a huge fan of rockstar either, or necessarily the other songs I mentioned as well, it's just that, IMO (notice how I keep using this important qualifier), Havana is just as supposedly boring and bland as Gucci Gang, Thunder, or rockstar, and I felt if I expressed this opinion I would get a ton of flak for it. IMO, In addition to Havana being incredibly simplistic and repetitive, it's highly ethnically/regionally stereotypical - it's as if someone from Cuba were to come out with a recording of Old McDonald. And this notion that Camila being from Havana is supposed to give it a special touch of authenticity doesn't ring true with me. And then her voice. Even with the auto-tune, it is noticeably flat at times, and is almost lacking entirely in range, resonance, or power. Other than being a former member of 5H and being slightly good-looking, I just don't get how she's become such a star.

As for my mentioning of 5H getting the same type of attention as the Beatles, obviously I was exaggerating; you're right that the Supremes might be a more apt comparison. But there's no denying that Pulse loved them, every week that Worth It and Work From Home were charting, there was constant cheering for them to go higher and higher, the same type of cheering that Havana is receiving now. What I actually find more odd than anything is how there was all this support and adulation for 5H, and then when Camila left, there was minimal anger towards her and all that seemed to be completely swept under the rug and now everyone is rallying behind the solo queen as if nothing happened. (I should also note that I am not particularly a fan of either 5H or Camila)

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Because most pop fans on forums like these stan chart achievements. As long as they have a young female pop starlet to align behind, that’s all that matters. It’s less about the pop star and more about the success.

Kelly Clarkson stans are an exception. Praise them.

[garrettlen]

Jan 9, 2018 15:47:51 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Jan 9, 2018 15:17:54 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

How do you figure? The song was already a hit on its own before the Beyoncé duet and was already on track to be a future number one hit. The duet just got it there earlier. "Havana" still would not have surpassed "rockstar" until the week. Even removing the data from the duet, "Perfect" would still be above "Havana" on the Hot 100 as "Perfect" is above "Havana" on sales and airplay when removing the duet. "Havana" then would only have a slight streaming advantage, but not enough to overtake it. They would certainly be closer, but "Perfect" would still be #1 right now without the duet. This isn't like "Despacito." The duet isn't the reason "Perfect" became a hit, it's just the reason it got to number one earlier. It was already headed that way.

Beyonce gave it that extra push to get to #1.No one really knows what would have happened if the Beyonce and Ed duet never happened.I just feel that Camila deserves at least 1 week at #1.

Camila's song deserves #1 if it has the most points on the Hot 100 chart for a certain week.   So far it hasn't accomplished this.

[jarhys]

Jan 9, 2018 18:44:19 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Jan 9, 2018 15:47:51 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Beyonce gave it that extra push to get to #1.No one really knows what would have happened if the Beyonce and Ed duet never happened.I just feel that Camila deserves at least 1 week at #1.

Camila's song deserves #1 if it has the most points on the Hot 100 chart for a certain week.   So far it hasn't accomplished this.

The only chance for Havana going #1 is maybe the release of Camila's album.

[TakeMe]

I honestly feel as though perfect would have never went to number one without that duet, Rockstar And Havana would have most definitely kept it from the top spot. Either way, I don’t like All three songs, hope someone comes along and changes things up in the top ten

[chartfreak]

Jan 9, 2018 23:06:14 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

I honestly feel as though perfect would have never went to number one without that duet, Rockstar And Havana would have most definitely kept it from the top spot. Either way, I don’t like All three songs, hope someone comes along and changes things up in the top ten

3 people are coming next week.

[TakeMe]

Jan 10, 2018 0:53:02 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Jan 9, 2018 23:06:14 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

I honestly feel as though perfect would have never went to number one without that duet, Rockstar And Havana would have most definitely kept it from the top spot. Either way, I don’t like All three songs, hope someone comes along and changes things up in the top ten

3 people are coming next week.

Are one of those people Cardi B? I’m honestly getting tired of her behind as well

[Choco]

If you remove the Duet, Perfect would still be #1.