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Post by Ty on Mar 6, 2018 10:02:08 GMT -5
She's still earning a lot of $$$ for Epic for sure, as her name is out there. I'm glad the first single is having a great start. Let's hope Epic is not turning this into another Witness situation.
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Post by sbk on Mar 6, 2018 11:06:10 GMT -5
Yikes, this is not even top 200 on Spotify atm
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 12:31:12 GMT -5
I'd say both Meghan and Camila are priority/meal tickets right now, almost by default. They're the only two solidified pop stars that Epic has atm (Epic also has Zara Larsson and Louis Tomlinson but...I said solidified), and so it would behoove them to build up at least two reliable ones so they can have an active seller on the chart as much as possible. This probably all but guaranteed the label's best efforts even after a slump, i.e. attempting to re-boost Meghan Trainor is more economical than trying to launch a brand new act.
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Post by Suono on Mar 6, 2018 12:35:26 GMT -5
Wow, #1 on itunes.
Also, that Zumba sponsored video was a good idea to basically get a second video (sort of like how people release low-budget "vertical videos" to get everyone to stream the song again)
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Mar 6, 2018 13:00:28 GMT -5
Color me surprised at how well this is doing out of the gate! Good for her.
Meanwhile, is streaming really banking artists that much money? I just can't see it bringing in huge revenue for the artists themselves at all.
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Post by theflying on Mar 6, 2018 13:05:39 GMT -5
That’s what I think. Good for Hot 100 placements, but come on, that’s in no way the revenue generator.
And you guys know that.
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Post by Exclusive on Mar 6, 2018 13:17:45 GMT -5
I’m glad this is getting off to a good start go Meghan!
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Post by AP on Mar 6, 2018 13:28:35 GMT -5
Meanwhile, is streaming really banking artists that much money? I just can't see it bringing in huge revenue for the artists themselves at all. That’s what I think. Good for Hot 100 placements, but come on, that’s in no way the revenue generator. And you guys know that. Let me direct you to HDD's Song Revenue Chart: hitsdailydouble.com/song_revenue_chart
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 6, 2018 13:31:46 GMT -5
That’s what I think. Good for Hot 100 placements, but come on, that’s in no way the revenue generator. And you guys know that. That's very true, according to a study done in 2015 by The Verge, artists get about 10 percent of their revenue from Spotify. That year Rihanna was estimated to be payed only 8 million dollars for 1 billion streams across the year, Drake who was the most streamed artist of that year was apparently payed out 15 million dollars, while Lean On which was the most-streamed song of that year was payed out 4.5 million dollars, which was split between all artists. These are all rough estimates, so take it with a grain of salt. These artists could of been payed out more or less, but let's pretend all these numbers are 100 percent factual. Drake's 15 million is not going to Drake, it's going to the label. Drake makes his money from selling records and other endeavors, he made 50 million that year not counting the 15 million from Spotify. Apple Music likely pays their artists more, as Taylor Swift made a fuss about the platform in 2015, but I doubt it's a lot more than what Spotify pays. YouTube pays their artists dust, and no one listens to Tidal. So even the biggest artists in the world aren't making anything from streaming, really. Their money comes from record sales and selling merch, so it isn't an endless money generator like everyone thinks. Despite being the #1 way people consume music in the world.
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Post by Caviar on Mar 6, 2018 13:31:56 GMT -5
44 million streams only brings in $376k? Ouch
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Mar 6, 2018 13:45:12 GMT -5
That’s what I think. Good for Hot 100 placements, but come on, that’s in no way the revenue generator. And you guys know that. That's very true, according to a study done in 2015 by The Verge, artists get about 10 percent of their revenue from Spotify. That year Rihanna was estimated to be payed only 8 million dollars for 1 billion streams across the year, Drake who was the most streamed artist of that year was apparently payed out 15 million dollars, while Lean On which was the most-streamed song of that year was payed out 4.5 million dollars, which was split between all artists. These are all rough estimates, so take it with a grain of salt. These artists could of been payed out more or less, but let's pretend all these numbers are 100 percent factual. Drake's 15 million is not going to Drake, it's going to the label. Drake makes his money from selling records and other endeavors, he made 50 million that year not counting the 15 million from Spotify. Apple Music likely pays their artists more, as Taylor Swift made a fuss about the platform in 2015, but I doubt it's a lot more than what Spotify pays. YouTube pays their artists dust, and no one listens to Tidal. So even the biggest artists in the world aren't making anything from streaming, really. Their money comes from record sales and selling merch, so it isn't an endless money generator like everyone thinks. Despite being the #1 way people consume music in the world. And this isn't an issue that's new with streaming. CrazySexyCool was selling millions of copies and millions of singles...and TLC was filing for bankruptcy.
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Post by Caviar on Mar 6, 2018 13:48:37 GMT -5
That's very true, according to a study done in 2015 by The Verge, artists get about 10 percent of their revenue from Spotify. That year Rihanna was estimated to be payed only 8 million dollars for 1 billion streams across the year, Drake who was the most streamed artist of that year was apparently payed out 15 million dollars, while Lean On which was the most-streamed song of that year was payed out 4.5 million dollars, which was split between all artists. These are all rough estimates, so take it with a grain of salt. These artists could of been payed out more or less, but let's pretend all these numbers are 100 percent factual. Drake's 15 million is not going to Drake, it's going to the label. Drake makes his money from selling records and other endeavors, he made 50 million that year not counting the 15 million from Spotify. Apple Music likely pays their artists more, as Taylor Swift made a fuss about the platform in 2015, but I doubt it's a lot more than what Spotify pays. YouTube pays their artists dust, and no one listens to Tidal. So even the biggest artists in the world aren't making anything from streaming, really. Their money comes from record sales and selling merch, so it isn't an endless money generator like everyone thinks. Despite being the #1 way people consume music in the world. And this isn't an issue that's new with streaming. CrazySexyCool was selling millions of copies and millions of singles...and TLC was filing for bankruptcy. Because they signed a terrible deal. Those are the exceptions and not the norm.
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Post by deepston on Mar 6, 2018 14:01:54 GMT -5
Wow this is slaying!
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Mar 6, 2018 14:09:57 GMT -5
And this isn't an issue that's new with streaming. CrazySexyCool was selling millions of copies and millions of singles...and TLC was filing for bankruptcy. Because they signed a terrible deal. Those are the exceptions and not the norm. Do you think every artist has the leverage to get more points out album sales than what the label offers them at first pass? They had an exceptionally bad deal, but they're hardly the only ones.
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Post by dbhmr on Mar 6, 2018 14:14:53 GMT -5
It just seems so odd that a song can be #1 on iTunes and not in the top 200 on Spotify. That's a huge disconnect--that goes both ways. How does the formula for Billboard work?
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Post by Ty on Mar 6, 2018 14:26:20 GMT -5
Spotify is extremely tilted and radically ageist, much more than the pop radio. Women over a certain age or not in their debut era won't get any love in playlists like Today's Top Hits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 14:38:18 GMT -5
Y'all are holding this conversation as if it matters to a label how much the artist makes lol 44 million streams only brings in $376k? Ouch No actually, it only brings in $302k (see far right column). $376k is the total revenue God's Plan brought in for the week...which I believe is AP's point of sharing that chart. Looking through all the songs, there is only one where the sales revenue even comes close to being equal to the streaming revenue, and that's for Jason Aldean. We can scoff at how little it brings in but at the end of the day streaming IS the bigger revenue generator - for the industry. I'm pretty sure the label would take that $302k over the even paltrier $73k that they were able to get on sales; that's just where the market is right now for the most part. Not to mention, that is also only a weekly snapshot. Presumably GP already netted at least that much four times over in previous weeks, so it's probably safe to estimate this hit will have raked in a cool 3 mil when its run is over. As for the artists...well, they've always been paid peanuts. Technology isn't showing us anything new there. TLC is an extreme example (I think I mentioned in some other thread a few weeks ago that they were particularly screwed b/c their "manager" didn't do any real managing, on top of stealing from the little bit of money they theoretically made) but they hammer home the point that if you're not writing your own hits, headlining your own tour, and/or signing your own endorsement deals, you're not going to make a lot of money as a recording artist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 15:24:23 GMT -5
It just seems so odd that a song can be #1 on iTunes and not in the top 200 on Spotify. That's a huge disconnect--that goes both ways. How does the formula for Billboard work? I don't think the difference was quite as extreme but didn't the same thing happen with What About Us in the beginning? Or maybe that's Just Like Firee I'm thinking about, not sure. Streaming skews young and/or urban and there seems to not be a lot of overlap between that audience and the downloading audience. Aside from that, it's a mystery. I'm thinking the issue is that although there is a definite shift in how people as a whole listen to music, purchasing habits are plummeting faster than streaming habits are picking up. So until the transition to a full-on streaming industry is complete it is going to be a struggle for artists who are not 'cool' enough for the streaming crowd to be attracted to, but not quite magnetic enough for the ever-dwindling buying crowd to make a $1.29 exception for. I honestly can't remember the last time I bought a single myself. Makes more sense to either stream or hold out for a full album. Someone pointed out that radio tends to drop songs that aren't streaming well, which is pretty ironic b/c just a couple of years ago I remember people rightfully scoffing at the idea of radio being influenced by what was happening on streaming. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore and I'd love to know why. Billboard changed (and then stopped disclosing) their exact formula a few years ago; as far as I know they haven't revealed it again recently. 1 song equals 1500 streams but I don't know how radio audience is balanced with that anymore.
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Post by deepston on Mar 6, 2018 15:33:32 GMT -5
Wait this isn't even top 200 on Spotify? As a user mentioned this is a huge disconnect considering this did hit #1 on iTunes after a not so successful era from Meghan. Spotify feels so disconnected from the Pop scene in general, it's so strange that such a big platform only has big urban streamers. This situation is even more dramatic on Apple Music. Where are pop fans listening to music? Do they even exist at all in 2017/2018? Are they more inclined to buy a song over streaming it? It's just so odd that this is selling so well but not doing anything on streaming. The video also has very decent numbers. Why are streaming platforms so urban inclined? These are some legit questions I'd like to see answered.
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Post by leonagwen on Mar 6, 2018 15:45:54 GMT -5
This will be the most added song today.
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Post by Envoirment on Mar 6, 2018 16:53:48 GMT -5
This has been in my head all day. It's very catchy. All it needs is some good playlist placement on major playlists and it'll do fine on spotify. Imagine Dragons is also top 10 on iTunes with "Whatever It Takes" but not top 200 on spotify. It's not so much a disconnect and more so a lack of being on major playlists.
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Post by Dylan :) on Mar 6, 2018 17:53:15 GMT -5
Travis who? Anyway, I am hooked on this now and I am so happy it is #1!
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 6, 2018 18:03:59 GMT -5
Yo mama raised you better than dat!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 19:18:56 GMT -5
Yo mama raised you better than dat! That woman in the glasses is getting her life!
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Post by Bhad Bill on Mar 6, 2018 20:37:59 GMT -5
Just clicked for me at the gym. A lil preworkout in my system helped me get into it and now I AM woman in glasses!
She's a cutie in the video too. Still kind of boring, but I love the ponytail! And the bob. And the extensions.
Question: who curates the spotify playlists? Who is making the decisions on what goes where and what is the criteria? If it can make or break a song, there better be serious considerations to omitting / prominently featuring one over the other.
And I have been streaming the s**t out of Meghan all day! Title, Mom, My Selfish Heart, 3 AM, and I Won't Let You Down!
Someone kindly calm me down please.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Mar 6, 2018 20:38:28 GMT -5
119 adds this week. Obviously is the most added.
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Post by Caviar on Mar 6, 2018 20:54:32 GMT -5
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She kills her live TV performances. The energy she brings to the stage is incredible every time!
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Post by wjr15 on Mar 6, 2018 21:11:36 GMT -5
Another great performance of No Excuses. I’m glad to see she is nailing these performances and she’s doing well in both sales and radio. Good to see she is on the rebound to, hopefully, a successful era.
Her label just needs to get her on some big streaming playlists.
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Post by kindofbiased on Mar 6, 2018 21:22:52 GMT -5
Once this is a mainstay on the big Spotify playlists, it's safe. Considering it's doing great on both radio and iTunes I think it will be sooner rather than later. And I couldn't be happier.
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Post by survivorqt on Mar 6, 2018 22:50:59 GMT -5
Question: who curates the spotify playlists? Who is making the decisions on what goes where and what is the criteria? If it can make or break a song, there better be serious considerations to omitting / prominently featuring one over the other. And I have been streaming the s**t out of Meghan all day! Title, Mom, My Selfish Heart, 3 AM, and I Won't Let You Down! Someone kindly calm me down please. I’d like to know myself. How can obscure songs from virtually unknown artists get placed in “today’s top hits” on Spotify and pandora? It seems like can be bought, then it’s a form of payola. Especially if it’s one of the first songs played when a listener starts listening
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