Billboard Hot 100: 2/24/2018

[Golden Bluebird]

[Harx]

All The Stars going top 10? YES YES YES YES

[kat]

Feb 18, 2018 5:51:21 GMT -5 @statemusix said:

Feb 18, 2018 1:49:33 GMT -5 kat said:

This is honestly incredibly stupid, the charts are no longer a true representation of what’s popular. At least recurrence doesn’t change a song’s position... and u can still see recurrent charts...

Explain why streaming exists.

Why does streaming exist? Because people were pirating songs and spotify’s founders argued that labels should put artists’ music on Spotify so they get payed a fraction of a penny (which adds up over millions of streams) per stream instead of 0

Is streaming a true representation of what’s popular? Yes, and it is by far the most accurate, especially considering non-programmed streams. Radio is manipulated by payola to a great extent and people do not get to directly choose what they are listening to. Sales are better, but there is no way of measuring if someone who buys a song listens to it once or 100 times. Streaming accurately portrays what people are seeking out to listen to.
I really don’t understand why so many people say that streaming has “ruined music”. If you think that your favorite genre of music is underrepresented with streaming services, then stream it.

[Deleted]

Hoping Bounce Out With That debuts

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

simm from ATRL posted his final Hot 100 prediction and Shape of You is not predicted to go recurrent.

[renaboss]

So good to see "Finesse" at #2, even if the gap is still so substantial. At this point, it seems likely that "LOVE." and "Him & I" will not crack the top 10. Wonder how well "How Long" fares. Gotta say, I don't care much for that one, give the Boyz II Men collab some attention, would be great seeing them back in the chart.

And seriously lol, is the new 50 Shades song just not gonna be a hit then? It's by no means a remarkable one, but it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Zayn and Taylor's.

[Gary]

On the streaming thing, sure, it seems to be a good way to measure what is popular by simply # of streams however,


I don't agree that sales isn't as good because you can't measure the #times listened.
Sales means you give up money to commit to a song or an album, in streaming, depending on your payment plan, you may not have to.



Streaming has a demographics issue, it is heavily skewed towards the younger crowd, that has enough time in their day to stream the same songs over and over again.

So quick example, what is more popular?

A new Migos song that is streamed 200 times in a week by a single 17 year old, with lots of time on their hands or songs off the new Justin Timberlake album bought at Target by a 25 year old for 12 dollars?

Soundscan factors out the possibility that a person with a lot of money can buy 200 copies of a JT album and have it count as 200 sales but does Spotify factor out that possibility with streaming?

[chartslovergermany]

Feb 18, 2018 13:33:51 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So good to see "Finesse" at #2, even if the gap is still so substantial. At this point, it seems likely that "LOVE." and "Him & I" will not crack the top 10. Wonder how well "How Long" fares. Gotta say, I don't care much for that one, give the Boyz II Men collab some attention, would be great seeing them back in the chart.

And seriously lol, is the new 50 Shades song just not gonna be a hit then? It's by no means a remarkable one, but it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Zayn and Taylor's.

1.nope it’s not better than IDWLF and 2.i think it will flop or chart low in the us,in the other countries the song is blowing up like hell

[jenglisbe]

Regardless of quality, of course a Swift/Zayn duet was going to blow up bigger than a Rita Ora track.

[Sherane Lamar]

Feb 17, 2018 20:25:51 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Feb 13, 2018 18:50:49 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Glad "Shape of You" is overcoming finding continued success by following Billboard's sick and twisted games fair and smart rules that truly embody the concept of the Hot 100 being “hot.”

Fixed it for you.

Are you insinuating that the USA doesn't have a chart for song popularity? 

Only a chart for song "hotness"? 

That seems like a huge oversight. Seems like having a song popularity chart would be really useful and interesting. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Feb 18, 2018 13:54:14 GMT -5 Gary said:

A new Migos song that is streamed 200 times in a week by a single 17 year old, with lots of time on their hands or songs off the new Justin Timberlake album bought at Target by a 25 year old for 12 dollars?

Soundscan factors out the possibility that a person with a lot of money can buy 200 copies of a JT album and have it count as 200 sales but does Spotify factor out that possibility with streaming?

That's why a single sale/download counts for like 200 streams. 

Would fix this issue if smartphones cached people's listening habits and sent the data to Nielson. Then we could ignore the sale/download itself and just count how many times the song was listened to like we do with streaming and radio. 

But in reality, sales will become irrelevant before anything like that is actually done. 

A stream also counts for more than a radio impression. Big problem that seems easy to fix. 

Billboard is so slow in adjusting these things that I think nearly everybody will move to streaming before they get around to fixing it. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Feb 17, 2018 23:58:19 GMT -5 ry4n said:

Feb 17, 2018 19:06:02 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

Looking at Spotify's data, I would guess that at least in regard of streaming, the entire world is just about as slow as the US in term of turnover.

And the only reason the UK charts have faster turnover at the moment is because of the ACR rules applied last year (where the streaming ratio is doubled after 10 weeks on the chart and 3 consecutive weeks of decline).

Reading this abomination makes me so proud to be an American. Lmao. 

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

February 23, 1963

01 01 Hey Paula - Paul & Paula (3rd and final week at #1)
02 04 Ruby Baby - Dion
03 03 Walk Like a Man - The Four Seasons
04 02 Walk Right In - The Rooftop Singers
05 05 Rhythm Of The Rain - The Cascades
06 06 From a Jack To a King - Ned Miller
07 12 You're The Reason I'm Living - Bobby Darin
08 18 Blame It On The Bossa Nova - Eydie Gorme
09 08 You've Really Got a Hold On Me - The Miracles
10 15 Wild Weekend - The Rebels


February 24, 1968

01 01 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat & His Orchestra (3rd of 5 weeks at #1)
02 05 (Theme From) Valley Of The Dolls - Dionne Warwick
03 03 Spooky - The Classics IV
04 04 I Wish It Would Rain - The Temptations
05 06 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding
06 17 Simon Says - 1910 Fruitgum Co.
07 02 Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers
08 10 I Wonder What She's Doing Tonite - Tommy Boyce & Bobby Hart
09 07 Goin' Out Of My Head / Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You - The Lettermen
10 08 Nobody But Me - The Human Beinz


February 24, 1973

01 05 Killing Me Softly With His Song - Roberta Flack (1st of 5 weeks at #1)
02 04 Dueling Banjos - Deliverance
03 01 Crocodile Rock - Elton John
04 02 You're So Vain - Carly Simon
05 07 Could It Be I'm Falling In Love - The Spinners
06 06 Do It Again - Steely Dan
07 13 Last Song - Edward Bear
08 08 Don't Expect Me To Be Your Friend - Lobo
09 15 Love Train - The O'Jays
10 10 Rocky Mountain High - John Denver


February 25, 1978

01 01 Stayin' Alive - The Bee Gees (4th and final week at #1)
02 02 (Love Is) Thicker Than Water - Andy Gibb
03 03 Just The Way You Are - Billy Joel
04 05 Sometimes When We Touch - Dan Hill
05 06 Emotion - Samantha Sang
06 07 Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah) - Chic
07 04 We Are The Champions / We Will Rock You - Queen
08 17 Night Fever - The Bee Gees
09 11 Lay Down Sally - Eric Clapton
10 10 How Deep Is Your Love - The Bee Gees

The Brothers Gibb had a hand in 5 songs in the Top 10.

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

February 26, 1983

01 01 Baby, Come To Me - Patti Austin & James Ingram (2nd and final week at #1)
02 03 Shame On The Moon - Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band
03 04 Stray Cat Strut - The Stray Cats
04 06 Billie Jean - Michael Jackson
05 08 Do You Really Want To Hurt Me - Culture Club
06 09 Hungry Like The Wolf - Duran Duran
07 07 You And I - Eddie Rabbitt & Crystal Gayle
08 02 Down Under - Men At Work
09 21 We've Got Tonight - Kenny Rogers & Sheena Easton
10 13 Pass The Dutchie - Musical Youth


February 27, 1988

01 04 Father Figure - George Michael (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 02 What Have I Done To Deserve This? - The Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield
03 07 She's Like The Wind - Patrick Swayze feat. Wendy Frazer
04 08 Never Gonna Give You Up - Rick Astley
05 05 Hungry Eyes - Eric Carmen
06 01 Seasons Change - Expose
07 06 Say You Will - Foreigner
08 12 I Get Weak - Belinda Carlisle
09 09 Don't Shed a Tear - Paul Carrack
10 11 Can't Stay Away From You - Gloria Estefan & The Miami Sound Machine


February 27, 1993

01 01 I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston (14th and final week at #1)
02 02 A Whole New World - Peabo Bryson & Regina Belle
03 03 Ordinary World - Duran Duran
04 04 I'm Every Woman - Whitney Houston
05 12 Nuthin' But a "G" Thang - Dr. Dre feat. Snoop Doggy Dogg
06 06 Mr. Wendal - Arrested Development
07 08 7 - Prince & The New Power Generation
08 05 Saving Forever For You - Shanice
09 10 Hip Hop Hooray - Naughty By Nature
10 15 Informer - Snow


February 21, 1998

01 01 Nice & Slow - Usher (2nd and final week at #1)
02 02 Together Again - Janet Jackson
03 04 Truly Madly Deeply - Savage Garden
04 03 How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
05 05 Been Around The World - Puff Daddy & The Family feat. The Notorious B.I.G. & Mase
06 06 I Don't Ever Want To See You Again - Uncle Sam
07 07 A Song For Mama - Boyz II Men
08 08 No, No, No - Destiny's Child
09 22 Too Much - The Spice Girls
10 16 What You Want - Mase feat. Total

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

February 22, 2003

01 01 All I Have - Jennifer Lopez feat. LL Cool J (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 04 In Da Club - 50 Cent
03 02 Mesmerize - Ja Rule feat. Ashanti
04 03 Bump, Bump, Bump - B2K feat. P. Diddy
05 07 Cry Me a River - Justin Timberlake
06 06 I'm With You - Avril Lavigne
07 05 Beautiful - Christina Aguilera
08 08 Miss You - Aaliyah
09 11 Gossip Folks - Missy Elliott feat. Ludacris
10 09 '03 Bonnie & Clyde - Jay-Z feat. Beyonce


February 23, 2008

01 01 Low - Flo Rida feat. T-Pain (8th of 10 weeks at #1)
02 02 With You - Chris Brown
03 03 Don't Stop The Music - Rihanna
04 05 No One - Alicia Keys
05 04 Apologize - Timbaland feat. OneRepublic
06 06 Love Song - Sara Bareilles
07 09 New Soul - Yael Naim
08 08 Sensual Seduction - Snoop Dogg
09 10 Take You There - Sean Kingston
10 11 Sorry - Buckcherry


February 23, 2013

01 01 Thrift Shop - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis feat. Wanz (4th of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Locked Out Of Heaven - Bruno Mars
03 03 Scream & Shout - will.i.am feat. Britney Spears
04 04 Ho Hey - The Lumineers
05 05 I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift
06 06 Don't You Worry Child - Swedish House Mafia feat. John Martin
07 14 Daylight - Maroon 5
08 13 Suit & Tie - Justin Timberlake feat. Jay-Z
09 22 When I Was Your Man - Bruno Mars
10 07 Beauty And a Beat - Justin Bieber feat. Nicki Minaj


February 25, 2017

01 01 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran (3rd of 12 weeks at #1)
02 02 Bad And Boujee - Migos feat. Lil Uzi Vert
03 03 I Don't Wanna Live Forever - Zayn & Taylor Swift
04 NE Million Reasons - Lady Gaga
05 04 Bad Things - Machine Gun Kelly & Camilla Cabello
06 15 Bounce Back - Big Sean
07 05 Closer - The Chainsmokers feat. Halsey
08 10 Scars To Your Beautiful - Alessia Cara
09 06 Don't Wanna Know - Maroon 5 feat. Kendrick Lamar
10 11 Paris - The Chainsmokers

[fhas]

Feb 18, 2018 18:04:43 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

February 22, 2003

01 01 All I Have - Jennifer Lopez feat. LL Cool J (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 04 In Da Club - 50 Cent
03 02 Mesmerize - Ja Rule feat. Ashanti
04 03 Bump, Bump, Bump - B2K feat. P. Diddy
05 07 Cry Me a River - Justin Timberlake

What a GREAT top five! J. Lo, Ja Rule, Ashanti, B2K, JT...

[85la]

Feb 18, 2018 13:54:14 GMT -5 Gary said:

On the streaming thing, sure, it seems to be a good way to measure what is popular by simply # of streams however,


I don't agree that sales isn't as good because you can't measure the #times listened.
Sales means you give up money to commit to a song or an album, in streaming, depending on your payment plan, you may not have to.



Streaming has a demographics issue, it is heavily skewed towards the younger crowd, that has enough time in their day to stream the same songs over and over again.

So quick example, what is more popular?

A new Migos song that is streamed 200 times in a week by a single 17 year old, with lots of time on their hands or songs off the new Justin Timberlake album bought at Target by a 25 year old for 12 dollars?

Soundscan factors out the possibility that a person with a lot of money can buy 200 copies of a JT album and have it count as 200 sales but does Spotify factor out that possibility with streaming?

If I'm not mistaken, it's just as possible to play songs over and over again through technologies other than streaming, and some older adults have just as much time on their hands to do so as say a 17 year old. Are you arguing that sales should count more than they do now? If it were weighed too much to that side, wouldn't that be unfairly skewed to an older, more affluent population. I believe this has been brought up many times before, but the fact that one download sale already counts for so much more than one stream more than makes up for the inability to measure the # of times a download sale is listened to, in addition to it taking into account the much higher revenue it generates.

Good point though with streaming that there should be a mechanism in place to catch people who mass stream a song just to increase its chart points, although I wouldn't imagine too many people (at least those who have some idea what the formula is) would do that, as you would have to stream the song over 100 times to equal one sale. It seems like just buying 5 copies would be the far more efficient thing to do (assuming they have the money lol), but as you mention Soundscan screens out mass purchases of music. I wonder how many times a person can buy something more than once from the same account before Soundscan screens it out?

[Deleted]

Kk, I was wrong, you don't have to make the depression kick in again.

[forg]

Aside from 50 Shades hype, I Don't Wanna Live Forever has that Taylor Swift's 1989's success glow so it was really going to do well. I like For You (and also Hailee Steinfeld's Capital Letters from the same movie) but that sound is not the type that does well on Spotify US right now. And if you don't click with Spotify, chances of charting high on HOT 100 is slim. Best shot is airplay but it's not doing well there as well

Poor Rita Ora. I initially thought she would never really get a big hit in the US but I remember she has one top 10 already with Iggy Azalea's Black Widow lol

[forg]

*sorry for the double post*

Glad All The Stars is on track to hit the top 10. I hope it becomes a big hit

[kat]

How did look alive’s projections increase so much wtf? I love that song but idk if I want it to kick rockstar out of the top5, rockstar needs at least 25 weeks there

[singingrulebritannia]

YouTube United States Daily Chart - 2018/02/16

1 =
Drake - God's Plan
7,534,394 +3,787,197

[jenglisbe]

Feb 18, 2018 17:36:54 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

February 27, 1988

01 04 Father Figure - George Michael (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 02 What Have I Done To Deserve This? - The Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield
03 07 She's Like The Wind - Patrick Swayze feat. Wendy Frazer
04 08 Never Gonna Give You Up - Rick Astley
05 05 Hungry Eyes - Eric Carmen
06 01 Seasons Change - Expose
07 06 Say You Will - Foreigner
08 12 I Get Weak - Belinda Carlisle
09 09 Don't Shed a Tear - Paul Carrack
10 11 Can't Stay Away From You - Gloria Estefan & The Miami Sound Machine

I have been living for these 1988 top 10s lately!

[jarhys]

Feb 18, 2018 22:00:29 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Feb 18, 2018 17:36:54 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

February 27, 1988

01 04 Father Figure - George Michael (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 02 What Have I Done To Deserve This? - The Pet Shop Boys & Dusty Springfield
03 07 She's Like The Wind - Patrick Swayze feat. Wendy Frazer
04 08 Never Gonna Give You Up - Rick Astley
05 05 Hungry Eyes - Eric Carmen
06 01 Seasons Change - Expose
07 06 Say You Will - Foreigner
08 12 I Get Weak - Belinda Carlisle
09 09 Don't Shed a Tear - Paul Carrack
10 11 Can't Stay Away From You - Gloria Estefan & The Miami Sound Machine

I have been living for these 1988 top 10s lately!

It seems that you've been Rick Rolled.

[tanooki]

Feb 18, 2018 21:52:56 GMT -5 kat said:

How did look alive’s projections increase so much wtf? I love that song but idk if I want it to kick rockstar out of the top5, rockstar needs at least 25 weeks there

It'll get 25 weeks, trust me

[kat]

Feb 18, 2018 22:42:04 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Feb 18, 2018 21:52:56 GMT -5 kat said:

How did look alive’s projections increase so much wtf? I love that song but idk if I want it to kick rockstar out of the top5, rockstar needs at least 25 weeks there

It'll get 25 weeks, trust me

In the top five? I hope radio’s dropping it hard

[tanooki]

Feb 18, 2018 22:54:59 GMT -5 kat said:

Feb 18, 2018 22:42:04 GMT -5 tanooki said:

It'll get 25 weeks, trust me

In the top five? I hope radio’s dropping it hard

ope I can't read

Idk about top 5 but top 10 is a guarantee at this point

[Leo ✔]

rockstar have overstayed a lot Inside top 10. Fall harder pls :sip2:

[fhas]

Feb 18, 2018 21:52:56 GMT -5 kat said:

How did look alive’s projections increase so much wtf? I love that song but idk if I want it to kick rockstar out of the top5, rockstar needs at least 25 weeks there

YouTube Insights was showing "Unknown Artist - Unknown Title" for Look Alive's numbers until Thursday.

[Golden Bluebird]

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*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 02/19/2018
1. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (185.154) (-0.661)
2. (+1) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (160.806) (+2.754)
3. (-1) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (159.338) (-1.050)
4. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (146.436) (-0.101)
5. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (115.566) (+0.240)
6. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (112.679) (-0.972)
7. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (102.237) (+0.316)
8. (=) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (100.961) (+1.140)
9. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (95.847) (-1.722) ***
10. (=) NF - Let You Down (95.247) (+1.358)
11. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (89.795) (+0.441) ***
12. (+1) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (88.998) (+0.725)
13. (-1) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (87.631) (-0.806)
14. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (86.048) (+3.049)
15. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (83.514) (+3.133) ***
16. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (74.102) (-1.322)
17. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (70.130) (-0.131)
18. (=) KELSEA BALLERINI - Legends (66.540) (-0.142)
19. (+1) SCOTTY MCCREERY - Five More Minutes (63.796) (+1.342)
20. (-1) OLD DOMINION - Written In The Sand (63.689) (-1.618)

Outside the Top 20:
21. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (63.148) (+2.960)
29. (+2) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (54.885) (+2.295)
43. (+3) CARDI B - Bartier Cardi f/21 Savage (43.362) (+1.012)
44. (+3) JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE - Say Something f/C Stapleton (43.274) (+1.066)
51. (-2) HAILEE STEINFELD & ALESSO - Let Me Go f/FGL & Watt (39.209) (-1.864)
68. (+5) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (30.575) (+1.306)