Billboard Hot 100: 3/3/2018

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Feb 23, 2018 22:32:32 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Feb 23, 2018 22:28:02 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Also, Bieber is the only artists with 5 songs that debuted in the top 2

Mariah has 3 #1 debuts and 2 #2 debuts, so she has 5 top 2 debuts.

Yeah, you're right. I thought Mariah debuted twice at #1, don't know why. 

[kat]

Feb 23, 2018 22:14:43 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Feb 23, 2018 20:59:59 GMT -5 kat said:

Those are numbers that come with a number one debut. Too bad he hit when GP was at the top. Second artist Ever with 2 #2 debuts?

Bieber also has two with Sorry and Cold Water, though Cold Water probably doesn't count since he was a feature.

I was thinking of beiber when I said 2nd artist Ever

[kcdawg13]

I honestly believe Beerbongs and Bentleys is gonna absolutely destroy streaming records when it's released, and the difference between him and artists like Kendrick Lamar and even Drake is that Post has widespread appeal. He attracts hip-hop fans, pop fans, rock fans, it's a bit jarring to think about. You also gotta remember Stoney is still giant, and I have no doubt his follow-up will be even bigger.

I've been following Austin since day 1 and I never expected him to get this big, White Iverson is a song that should've doomed him to being a 1 hit wonder. But he proved me wrong with Congratulations and rockstar, Pyscho is gonna be huge.

[Enigma.]

Even with his wide appeal, he's still to reach Kendrick and Drake kind of numbers though

[Golden Bluebird]

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*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 02/24/2018
1. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (183.871) (-0.399)
2. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (169.629) (+1.997)
3. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (153.783) (-1.962) ***
4. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (143.556) (-1.233)
5. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (118.754) (+0.187)
6. (+1) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (108.832) (+2.043)
7. (-1) HALSEY - Bad At Love (106.924) (-1.017)
8. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (105.026) (-0.241)
9. (=) NF - Let You Down (100.730) (+0.743)
10. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (98.345) (+2.254)
11. (+1) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (92.462) (+0.693) ***
12. (-1) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (91.209) (-0.877)
13. (=) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (89.848) (+0.036)
14. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (87.030) (-0.508)
15. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (86.538) (-0.677)
16. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (71.628) (-0.610)
17. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (71.275) (+0.088)
18. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (70.097) (+0.877)
19. (=) SCOTTY MCCREERY - Five More Minutes (68.706) (+0.971)
20. (=) THOMAS RHETT - Marry Me (63.282) (+0.920)

Outside the Top 20:
22. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (62.297) (+1.503)
30. (+2) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (52.049) (+1.051)
41. (+3) BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like (45.390) (+1.151)
52. (+6) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (38.626) (+1.543)
68. (+5) JASON ALDEAN - You Make It Easy (30.448) (+1.225)

[Glove Slap]

First day Spotify numbers for Psycho: 2,913,402 (500k behind Drake).

[jebsib]

jenglisbe is correct: Pre 1991 when a song was on the decline, it was removed from a station's playlist and thus contributed no points to the Hot 100. In my hometown of Boston, the huge CHR would routinely have a song be at #1 one week, then it was gone (and not reported) the next week. The song WOULD continue to be played though for several weeks after - as it was still popular / requested. But it would still be quickly replaced by an avalanche of other songs, so you never had the "Shape of You" effect.

This all sounds terribly inaccurate, but if every station in the country did it, and they all moved in harmony - and follow up songs were released every three months - it didn't FEEL inaccurate. If that makes sense.

[annoymous1]

Psycho is now number 1 on iTunes While God's Plan is Number 2 on iTunes.

[fhas]

Airplay update:

Post Malone feat. Ty Dolla $ign - Psycho 4.909

Source: Starkboy (ATRL user)

[iHype.]

Feb 23, 2018 21:53:47 GMT -5 kat said:

Feb 23, 2018 21:49:57 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Yeah, from my understanding wasn't that largely due to labels? I read labels would encourage them to remove songs from reporting once an artist moved onto the new single, even if the previous single being played hadn't even peaked at some radio stations yet.

This type of s**t is why I don’t consider anything pre-Nielsen to be reliable from billboard. Nielsen = actual performance not label fuckery

Also, thank god for streaming. Finally music is in the hands of the people

It's also why I laugh when people try to put down the achievements of today in comparison to the past. (Example: Katy's Teenage Dream #1s compared to Bad's, Rihanna's 30+ top 10s, etc) 

Almost every achievement today is probably realistically harder when real data, slower chart turnover, and minimal label manipulation is being used. The people who claim it was 'harder then'/'more impressive then' just say that with no validity behind it. 

[renaboss]

Very good points being made about how the chart history might be more valid and legitimate today, I honestly had no idea. I guess people just defend the hits of the past a lot more because music is so terrible these days, almost like artists are putting in the extra effort to make their music bad. And of course, the slow turnover of the charts is mostly annoying, because it doesn't allow for some songs that are actual hits to be viewed as such (i.e. "Issues" and "Say You Won't Let Go" were pretty big last year, even in Europe, but stalled at #11), due to songs that have peaked a long time ago still slacking about in the top 10 (like "rockstar" these days). So, label manipulation might not have been such a bad thing, really. We all have to agree that "Shape of You" staying in the top 25 for over a year is nothing short of ridiculous.

[kcdawg13]

Feb 24, 2018 12:51:24 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Very good points being made about how the chart history might be more valid and legitimate today, I honestly had no idea. I guess people just defend the hits of the past a lot more because music is so terrible these days, almost like artists are putting in the extra effort to make their music bad. And of course, the slow turnover of the charts is mostly annoying, because it doesn't allow for some songs that are actual hits to be viewed as such (i.e. "Issues" and "Say You Won't Let Go" were pretty big last year, even in Europe, but stalled at #11), due to songs that have peaked a long time ago still slacking about in the top 10 (like "rockstar" these days). So, label manipulation might not have been such a bad thing, really. We all have to agree that "Shape of You" staying in the top 25 for over a year is nothing short of ridiculous.

r/lewronggeneration

Honestly, I stopped reading your text after you said music today is terrible. Gatekeeping at it's finest.

[Choco]

People act like bad music is a new thing. There were plenty of awful hits in the past, you just choose to remember the big, good ones.

And Drake's got plenty of "mainstream appeal". His songs have done well on Pop when sent to the format.

[renaboss]

I should stay positive and abstain from complaining too much, though; this year is shaping up to be better when it comes to the top 10. Out of the songs that have peaked so far, I like "Havana", "Finesse", "Filthy", "New Rules", "Say Something", "Meant to Be" and "All the Stars", and I tolerate "No Limit", "Bad at Love", "Pray for Me" and "Stir Fry". The only ones I don't like so far are (lol) all the Drake ones: "God's Plan", "Diplomatic Immunity" and "Look Alive". 3/14 is definitely not a bad ratio.

[kat]

Feb 24, 2018 12:51:24 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Very good points being made about how the chart history might be more valid and legitimate today, I honestly had no idea. I guess people just defend the hits of the past a lot more because music is so terrible these days, almost like artists are putting in the extra effort to make their music bad. And of course, the slow turnover of the charts is mostly annoying, because it doesn't allow for some songs that are actual hits to be viewed as such (i.e. "Issues" and "Say You Won't Let Go" were pretty big last year, even in Europe, but stalled at #11), due to songs that have peaked a long time ago still slacking about in the top 10 (like "rockstar" these days). So, label manipulation might not have been such a bad thing, really. We all have to agree that "Shape of You" staying in the top 25 for over a year is nothing short of ridiculous.

It may be ridiculous, but is the truth. As much as I’m sick of that song I want the charts to represent what’s actually still popular.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

Lmao at #11 peaking songs not being looked at as hits. Where does this happen other than in stan wars?

[Gary]

This page is humorous

#11 peaking songs are not viewed as hits

It is ridiculous for long running hits like Shape Of You to be charting in the top 25

[kat]

Feb 24, 2018 15:26:48 GMT -5 Gary said:

This page is humorous

#11 peaking songs are not viewed as hits

It is ridiculous for long running hits like Shape Of You to be charting in the top 25

It is ridiculous... but it’s the truth. A chart represents the most popular songs in the country, not the songs some people want not to be popular.
And BTW, I really want SOY to fuck off before it surpasses UF, but I also respect chart prowess and I don’t want to kill the truth just because I don’t like it.

Although uptown funk was robbed

[ddlz]

The UK charts are a perfect example of what happens when old fossils refuse to accept the inevitable. Hopefully Billboard doesn’t go down the same route.

[Gary]

The 52/25 recurrent rule took care of that

[kat]

Feb 24, 2018 15:42:18 GMT -5 Gary said:

The 52/25 recurrent rule took care of that

52/25 kicks songs off the chart but it doesn’t misrepresent their position. The UK chart is no longer a real popularity chart.

[Harx]

I guess this is just gonna be an endless war of people who want the charts to be accurate vs people who want the charts to be interesting

[Gary]

People who want "interesting" charts and do not find it here in the Hot 100 can make their own or view a different chart, they publish a bunch of them

[Choco]

I think that a song lasting well over 52 weeks in the top 25 is pretty interesting. Most songs can't even get a single week there.

[Gary]

No worries. There will always be something to complain about. A slow moving chart is not fast enough but a fast moving chart would be nit slow enough to accommodate big hits. Either way just something to talk about

[Harx]

I mean both sides, those who wants the accuracy or those who want more turnover, have a good point imo. You just can't please everyone so yeah people will always complain

[areyoureadytojump]

Will impact the 3/10 Hot 100:

www.idolator.com/7675443/meghan-trainor-new-single-no-excuses?view-all

She’s Back! Meghan Trainor Announces New Single “No Excuses”
Mike Wass @mikewassmusic | February 24, 2018 5:57 pm

She’s back! Meghan Trainor will kick off her third album era on Thursday (March 1) with a new single called “No Excuses.” She announced the song, which was produced by Andrew Wells, late on Friday night via a countdown on her social media accounts. This morning, the bass-advocate shared some lyrics from the song: “Have you lost your mind… open up your eyes.” It sounds like the 24-year-old is just as feisty and self-confident as ever. Let’s just hope it’s as catchy as “NO” and “Me Too.”

Meghan has been teasing the song for a while now. “First single is comin so soon,” she revealed in an Instagram story last week. “When you have a new single coming out and the anticipation drives you crazy,” the pop star mused in another update. While we’re yet to hear a snippet of the song, The Four judge promised bangers when she posted a studio pic in November. That snap also gives some idea of the collaborators on her album. (Tyler Johnson, Andrew Wells, J Kash, LunchMoney Lewis, Tobias Jesso Jr. and Josh Kear were tagged).

[renaboss]

Let's see if Meghan still has some pull.

[kat]

Feb 24, 2018 19:09:15 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Let's see if Meghan still has some pull.

Oh god hopefully not

[jenglisbe]

Feb 24, 2018 18:17:53 GMT -5 Codex said:

What’s ridiculous about the song of the decade spending a year in the top 25 if it’s legitimately still getting enough points to do it?

Be happy that Billboard introduced this stupid 25/52 rule to begin with. 50/52 made much more sense, but I didn’t think we’d ever get complaints about this not being strict enough...

Where has someone said 25/52 is not strict enough?