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Post by nick64 on Mar 4, 2018 11:53:44 GMT -5
"Closer". As big as it was, The Chainsmokers have since kept continually trying to replicate it ("Paris" is a shameless copy). Before that though, they had a lot more variety, with "Roses", "Don't Let Me Down", and "Closer" all having very different sounds. Their album was then poorly received, their only single since to not underperform is the only one where they aren't the vocalists, and their latest lead singles haven't even made a dent.
"Talk Dirty". While he wasn't exactly in the best position before the song, his career after has been attempt after attempt to replicate its sound, mostly all of which have been poor attempts. He hasn't been back to the Top 10 in America since "Want to Want Me" three years ago.
"Roar". Rather than try something new and fresh, Katy Perry basically attempted to replicate the sound of Teenage Dream with worse results. Her only undeniable hit since was one that had a unique trap sound.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Mar 4, 2018 12:12:44 GMT -5
"Closer". As big as it was, The Chainsmokers have since kept continually trying to replicate it ("Paris" is a shameless copy). Before that though, they had a lot more variety, with "Roses", "Don't Let Me Down", and "Closer" all having very different sounds. Their album was then poorly received, their only single since to not underperform is the only one where they aren't the vocalists, and their latest lead singles haven't even made a dent. "Talk Dirty". While he wasn't exactly in the best position before the song, his career after has been attempt after attempt to replicate its sound, mostly all of which have been poor attempts. He hasn't been back to the Top 10 in America since "Want to Want Me" three years ago. "Roar". Rather than try something new and fresh, Katy Perry basically attempted to replicate the sound of Teenage Dream with worse results. Her only undeniable hit since was one that had a unique trap sound. On the contrary, "Talk Dirty" reinvigorated Derulo's career. He also hit the Top 10 with "Wiggle" which had a similar sound and did quite well. I believe "Want to Want Me" is actually his best performing song on the Hot 100, due to its longevity. "Talk Dirty" turned Derulo from just another Chris Brown wannabe to his own sort of brand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 12:14:32 GMT -5
There's a difference between a song that becomes an artist's last major hit and a song that becomes a hit but somehow hurts the artist's credibility or reputation. I noticed this too. Most of the songs mentioned were just artists' last hit, not "career killing hits".
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Mar 4, 2018 19:57:08 GMT -5
"Closer". As big as it was, The Chainsmokers have since kept continually trying to replicate it ("Paris" is a shameless copy). Before that though, they had a lot more variety, with "Roses", "Don't Let Me Down", and "Closer" all having very different sounds. Their album was then poorly received, their only single since to not underperform is the only one where they aren't the vocalists, and their latest lead singles haven't even made a dent. "Talk Dirty". While he wasn't exactly in the best position before the song, his career after has been attempt after attempt to replicate its sound, mostly all of which have been poor attempts. He hasn't been back to the Top 10 in America since "Want to Want Me" three years ago. "Roar". Rather than try something new and fresh, Katy Perry basically attempted to replicate the sound of Teenage Dream with worse results. Her only undeniable hit since was one that had a unique trap sound. Derulo's music was better before Talk Dirty, but he is way more popular after that song..maybe it's a career killing for quality sound. I disagree with Katy, Roar was huge and after that she scored her biggest hit in America. I blame single choices after Dark Horse and not great album Witness...also, her age. I think good example of career killing single is Applause by Gaga. It was too "normal" for Gaga's standards, and after that she was just like every other singer.
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Post by Caviar on Mar 4, 2018 21:03:48 GMT -5
Meghan's career is just fine.
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Post by think pink. on Mar 4, 2018 21:14:26 GMT -5
We've got a one two punch from Usher. Huge back to back hits that alienated his core fanbase. His career hasn't been the same since 😭 .
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Post by rainie on Mar 4, 2018 21:53:01 GMT -5
We've got a one two punch from Usher. Huge back to back hits that alienated his core fanbase. His career hasn't been the same since 😭 . You're not entirely wrong, but at the same time, those two were his biggest hits in ages and helped him have a mini comeback, though one with greatly reduced street cred.
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Post by think pink. on Mar 4, 2018 22:03:30 GMT -5
That's what a career killing hit is isn't? A short lived victory lol.
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Post by rainie on Mar 4, 2018 22:14:13 GMT -5
That's what a career killing hit is isn't? A short lived victory lol. Yeah but usually the victory didn't last nearly as long as Usher's did. Not only were OMG and DJGUFIL huge hits, he always had More and Scream a couple years later. As I understand it, his first few singles from OMG's parent album bombed, so it sounded like OMG was basically a career saver, at least in the short term.
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Post by think pink. on Mar 4, 2018 22:21:01 GMT -5
That's what a career killing hit is isn't? A short lived victory lol. Yeah but usually the victory didn't last nearly as long as Usher's did. Not only were OMG and DJGUFIL huge hits, he always had More and Scream a couple years later. As I understand it, his first few singles from OMG's parent album bombed, so it sounded like OMG was basically a career saver, at least in the short term. The album opened at #1 with 329K thanks to his core fanbase and Urban singles. He was doing just fine. Not as big as he once was, but certainly not a flop like he currently is. OMG gave him a Pop smash but ruined his credibility with his fanbase & casual fans. Thus resulting in his 2 albums after bombing.
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Post by thirddegree50123 on Mar 5, 2018 12:24:10 GMT -5
Hoobastank's "The Reason" - No one expected it to be as big as it was. Totally killed their Alternative cred despite hitting number 1 there. Then they tried to recreate it a million times and it never worked.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Mar 6, 2018 11:12:15 GMT -5
“Me Too” was a hit as well tho Yes, but “No” is the song that killed her career. “Me Too” just helped finish the job. No Excuses is currently #1 on iTunes. If her career died 2 years ago, nobody told the rest of the world.
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Post by rainie on Mar 6, 2018 16:39:24 GMT -5
Yes, but “No” is the song that killed her career. “Me Too” just helped finish the job. No Excuses is currently #1 on iTunes. If her career died 2 years ago, nobody told the rest of the world. Killing careers is very relative. Even if it's selling well, it's doing jack shit on streaming, and mark my words, this'll start tanking once the initial hype wears off.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 6, 2018 17:20:50 GMT -5
Attachment DeletedCareer-killing: Soul Kiss - Olivia Newton-John - hit #20, but there was major backlash over the song. After a solid decade of hits, including 15 Top 10 hits and solid album sales, the follow-up "Toughen Up" didn't even chart. She only managed 5 more H100 placements with highest being #62 (The Rumour in 1988).
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 6, 2018 18:44:58 GMT -5
It's like people are using any reason to include their favs (or their least favs) in this thread. A diva's career waning after a flopping single isn't the same as a song killing a career. Unfortunately for so many it seems, not every artist who isn't hitting #1 in 2018 has had their career killed by a single song. Blurred Lines = that's an example. Roar? Not an example. There's probably actually not a lot of examples of "career killing hits" in existence. And that's actually okay.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Mar 6, 2018 20:15:23 GMT -5
No Excuses is currently #1 on iTunes. If her career died 2 years ago, nobody told the rest of the world. Killing careers is very relative. Even if it's selling well, it's doing jack s**t on streaming, and mark my words, this'll start tanking once the initial hype wears off. So by your definition if every song you release isnt bigger than the last, your career is over. Mmkay...
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Post by deepston on Mar 6, 2018 20:19:09 GMT -5
Not quite a career killer but the era was frontloaded as hell, including this song. Britney struggled to get another hit after this.
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Post by Future Captain on Mar 7, 2018 0:14:03 GMT -5
Gimme More and the VMA performance would have been one if it's not for Circus
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Mar 7, 2018 4:52:51 GMT -5
Not quite a career killer but the era was frontloaded as hell, including this song. Britney struggled to get another hit after this. ??? The next two follow-up singles were both bigger hits.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Mar 7, 2018 5:59:18 GMT -5
Not quite a career killer but the era was frontloaded as hell, including this song. Britney struggled to get another hit after this. ??? The next two follow-up singles were both bigger hits. Her only album with 3 top 10s. Not to mention S&M and Scream & Shout.
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Post by bat1990 on Mar 7, 2018 9:06:18 GMT -5
Avril, Jewel, Liz Phair, Hoobastank, and Robin Thicke pretty much cover it. I can't think of any more. Alanis sabotaged herself with fear of success, as stated in "Eight Easy Steps."
Maybe Berlin with "Take My Breath Away" or The Cardigans "Lovefool"
Run The World (Girls) j/k ;)
But I've also come to realize success and relevance is more than just Top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Choco on Mar 7, 2018 9:57:50 GMT -5
Calling Gimme All Your Luvin' a hit is a stretch.
I do agree with Girlfriend, as it probably killed whatever credibility she had from her first two albums.
Blurred Lines as well, definitely killed what up to that point had been a niche, but respectable career. (Also because he's a manwhore, but still).
Madonna and Mariah didn't kill their careers with 4M or TMB. Those just happen to be their last huge hits, but both had been on the decline before, particularly Madonna. (And The Emancipation of Mimi was more of an anomaly than the rule for Mariah post-2000).
Same goes for Kelly Clarkson, there's been no career-killing "hit". If anything, her career has suffered because of a career killing "flop" album, My December.
It's too early to call LWYMMD a career killing hit, but certainly, if she never connects again with audiences, it could be because of her disliked new image, that LWYMMD helped create. I think Delicate has a good shot to be a hit, if not, then there's always next era and her fanbase is still big enough to get her a frontloaded lead hit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 13:00:26 GMT -5
This is a very tricky, fine-line type of thread.
Maybe the lazy and very basic "Give It Up" by Wilson Phillips in 1992? After 5 big hits off the first album, they returned with You Won't See Me Cry which disappointed at #20. Then Give It Up peaked at #30 and the 3rd single failed to make the Hot 100 ...annnnd that was it for them. They didn't record another album for 12 years, and that album failed to produce any Hot 100 hits and has probably sold less than 100k in the US to this day.
I still live for You Won't See Me Cry - that intro is so massive and pretty. Not sure what happened, but I reckon they suffered at least partially from audience burnout after 2+ years of massive airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 13:14:47 GMT -5
Calling Gimme All Your Luvin' a hit is a stretch. I do agree with Girlfriend, as it probably killed whatever credibility she had from her first two albums. Blurred Lines as well, definitely killed what up to that point had been a niche, but respectable career. (Also because he's a manwhore, but still). Madonna and Mariah didn't kill their careers with 4M or TMB. Those just happen to be their last huge hits, but both had been on the decline before, particularly Madonna. (And The Emancipation of Mimi was more of an anomaly than the rule for Mariah post-2000). Same goes for Kelly Clarkson, there's been no career-killing "hit". If anything, her career has suffered because of a career killing "flop" album, My December. It's too early to call LWYMMD a career killing hit, but certainly, if she never connects again with audiences, it could be because of her disliked new image, that LWYMMD helped create. I think Delicate has a good shot to be a hit, if not, then there's always next era and her fanbase is still big enough to get her a frontloaded lead hit. Kinda OT, but: Hearing Madonna mentioned here and then talk of Taylor reminds me that not every era is going to be big or produce hit singles, let alone multiple smashes. We have high expectations based on previous success, but one commercially disappointing era doesn't mean it's over. It happens to the best of them. Madonna is a prime example of that with Erotica in 1992, because the subsequent 3 albums all garnered big hits and critical success. And then American Life failed, but Confessions and Hard Candy both produced at least one big global hit and healthy sales. So, 16 years after a commercial disappointment and huge doom and gloom over the Sex book (and another fail with American Life in the middle of that time span), she still was getting hit albums and singles. Massively successful artists like Madonna and Taylor who have long established track records and fan bases are different than artists who have a few hit singles - like a Meghan Trainor or someone. Admittedly I can be quick to write off some of these artists in terms of their commercial viability, but not when they are in the big leagues. We may never have another full-on pop girl career like Madonna's in terms of longevity and success, but it's possible. Plus, a "Career" is more than just hit singles, obviously. Madonna's career isn't going to ever really end, even after she dies. Same goes for those like Prince and MJ who have already passed, and Mariah and Celine who are still with us.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Mar 7, 2018 15:04:53 GMT -5
I'd say "Thong Song" by Sisqo killed his chance at any longevity as a solo artist. It was a huge hit obviously, but it really pegged him as a novelty artist that nobody could take seriously. He'll always be that guy that sang "Thong Song" (also maybe that guy from Dru Hill to a lot of people).
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Mar 7, 2018 15:19:42 GMT -5
It's like people are using any reason to include their favs (or their least favs) in this thread. A diva's career waning after a flopping single isn't the same as a song killing a career. Unfortunately for so many it seems, not every artist who isn't hitting #1 in 2018 has had their career killed by a single song. Blurred Lines = that's an example. Roar? Not an example. There's probably actually not a lot of examples of "career killing hits" in existence. And that's actually okay. I am like so confused by people's answers and I actually scrolled up to re-read the title a few times. There are a few good answers, but most of these seem like a chance to take a jab at someone people don't like (this pop star had a ton of huge hits after this song I didn't like but their career is still dead because of it!!!!) or naming people who haven't released a song since the "career killer" or naming really veteran artists who would struggle to get hits no matter what.
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Post by Gary on Mar 7, 2018 16:37:41 GMT -5
Lots of reasons why a career stalls or appears to stall after a big hit:
The artist stops making albums The artist goes in a different direction or most importantly
Whether you are Madonna, Mariah of Katy Perry or Elvis, every artist has a limited amount of time at #1, times of course vary for all. Does one hit do that? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps, it is simply because their time is up?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 8:33:48 GMT -5
I thought of another - potentially solid example?
"My Love Is For Real" by Paula Abdul.
Stylistically turned some people off, and it was technically a hit based on its Hot 100 performance. However it failed to enter the top 20 and the entire project tanked in the states.
The follow-up single was very short-lived and peaked outside the top 50.
.....and that was all she wrote. Well, until Dance Like There's No Tomorrow. *ohpaula*
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Post by garrettlen on Mar 8, 2018 9:38:19 GMT -5
The Billy Squier example from the 80's is one of the most concrete examples of a career killing hit. He was really on a roll until that song came along and he had trouble having hits after it.
Although technically, it was actually the music video that accompanied the song that killed the song and subsequently, his career.
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