Billboard Hot 100: 3/17/2018

[renaboss]

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 9, 2018 14:19:14 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Mar 9, 2018 11:28:43 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Says who? You can even more easily claim that about any genre that changes over time. 

The Weeknd doesn't sound like R&B! Only Boyz II Men is R&B!

Migos don't sound like Hip-Hop! Only 2Pac is Hip-Hop!

Halsey isn't Alternative! Only Nirvana is Alternative!

Camila Cabello isn't Pop! She doesn't sound anything like Neil Sedeka!!

But you can still hear the most basic aspects of what makes up the genre. Migod and Tupac fall under hip hop, but they're different subgenres (trap vs West coast hip hop), so they'll sound somewhat different. It's the same for really any genre.

Meant to Be having a country artist featured doesn't make it a country song. Does Hayley Williams featuring on Airplanes make it a pop punk song? Does Young Thug being on Havana make it a trap song?

I'm speaking about Sam Hunt and Florida Georgia Line in general. Not this particular song. Although I find this song to be very Country-oriented compared to the last two Pop songs that FLG featured on. The first minute of the song sounds right in line with the average Country hit from the last 15 years or so. 

I'd say you're average Sam Hunt and FGL song sounds a hell of a lot more similar to 90's Country than Migos does to 90's Hip-Hop. Country has changed a lot less in the last 20-25 years than Hip-Hop or Pop. 

It's way more than "the basic aspects of what makes up the genre". The average Country song these days is like... only marginally different than what's been popular in Country for the last two decades. 

IDK why people single out Country like that. Maybe it's because they expect Country to only sound like incredibly twangy hillbilly music? IDK. 

From Charlie Rich to Dolly Parton to Shania Twain to present day, Country music has always had artists who are accessible to a variety of people. 

[tanooki]

Mar 9, 2018 16:27:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

nah, Taylor is pretty much done this cycle :/

[jenglisbe]

Mar 9, 2018 16:29:46 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Mar 9, 2018 14:19:14 GMT -5 tanooki said:

But you can still hear the most basic aspects of what makes up the genre. Migod and Tupac fall under hip hop, but they're different subgenres (trap vs West coast hip hop), so they'll sound somewhat different. It's the same for really any genre.

Meant to Be having a country artist featured doesn't make it a country song. Does Hayley Williams featuring on Airplanes make it a pop punk song? Does Young Thug being on Havana make it a trap song?

I'd say you're average Sam Hunt and FGL song sounds a hell of a lot more similar to 90's Country than Migos does to 90's Hip-Hop. Country has changed a lot less in the last 20-25 years than Hip-Hop or Pop. 

It's way more than "the basic aspects of what makes up the genre". The average Country song these days is like... only marginally different than what's been popular in Country for the last two decades. 

IDK why people single out Country like that. Maybe it's because they expect Country to only sound like incredibly twangy hillbilly music? IDK. 

From Charlie Rich to Dolly Parton to Shania Twain to present day, Country music has always had artists who are accessible to a variety of people. 

There's a difference in an artist being accessible to a variety of people and an artist making music that sounds like a lot of things. The original versions of most Shania songs (i.e. not pop radio mixes) still heavily featured traditional country instruments (like the album version of "You're Still the One" utilizing steel guitar). There were some pop/rock elements to her production and melodies, and those appealed to a pop audience, but the instrumentation (and even a lot of her lyrics) belonged to country. Look at "Love Get Me Every Time" with its fiddle hook and use of "gol' darn gone and done it." Twain also sent pop versions of those songs to radio to get a crossover audience, so the broad appeal of the songs wasn't necessarily about the country versions.

With a lot of 'country' acts now, the production that is brought to the forefront are non-country elements like electric guitars, drum machine, etc. If there is a banjo or some other traditionally country instrument in the song, it's mixed in the background. I actually see Shania Twain as a prime example of the point you made about genres evolving; for the most part her music kept true country music as a base, but she broadened its appeal with pop and rock elements. I don't think much current mainstream 'country' music uses anything traditionally country as a base.

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 9, 2018 13:28:12 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Mar 8, 2018 22:18:00 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

I've only really been keeping track of exact genre percentages since about 2013. 

I imagine there might have been a few years in the 2000's that Hip-Hop was bigger than Pop. Particularly in 2002 and 2003 when Nelly and 50 Cent were the biggest artists of those years. 

But I do know that 2006 was a particularly terrible year for Hip-Hop (while being a decent year for urban Pop, R&B and Reggae). 

Terrible?

According to Billboard 2006 & 2017 had the most Hip-Hop Hot 100 #1s for any year ever.

2017 marks the first year that as many as five rap hits have topped the Hot 100 since 2006, when D4L's "Laffy Taffy"; Nelly's "Grillz," featuring Paul Wall, Ali and Gipp; Sean Paul's "Temperature"; Chamillionaire's "Ridin'," featuring Krayzie Bone; and Ludacris' "Money Maker," featuring Pharrell, all reigned. Five rap hits also ruled the Hot 100 in 2004 and 2003.

OK, that is an interesting stat. I assume that those #1s either debuted late in the year, or were from people who didn't have any other hits that year. 

The reason I said that it was bad is that the top artists (inv point) of that year for Hip-Hop were Young Joc at #14 and Chamillionare at #18. Young Joc is by far the most obscure artist to be the top Hip-Hop artist for any year in the 21st century. 

In comparison, 2002 had Nelly (#1), Eminem (#6), Ja Rule (#14), Ludacris (#17), Fat Joe (#19), and Cam'Ron (#20)

2003 had 50 Cent (#1), Fabolous (#9), Chingy (#10), Nelly (#11), Jay-Z (#16), Eminem (#18)

2004 had Kanye West (#4), Twista (#6), Nelly (#9), Jay-Z (#11), Outkast (#13), Lil Flip (#15) Ludacris (#17), Chingy (#18), Juvenille (#19)

2005 had 50 Cent (#2), The Black Eyed Peas (#7), The Game (#8), Bow Wow (#12), Ludacris (#13), Eminem (#16), Kanye West (#19), Yin Yang Twins (#20)

2007 had Akon (#5), T-Pain (#6), Kanye West (#9), Timbaland (#13), T.I. (#18), Unk (#19), Soulja Boy (#20)

2008 had Lil Wayne (#4), Flo Rida (#5), Kanye West (#9), T.I. (#15), Plies (#19)

2009 had The Black Eyed Peas (#4), T.I. (#9), Flo Rida (#10), Drake (#11), Soulja Boy (#17)

So you can see that 2006 does stand out in a negative way in terms of having multiple big artists with multiple big hits each. 



I didn't consider Sean Paul to be Hip-Hop for this. Not saying he objectively isn't Hip-Hop, just that I didn't include him. He is the reason I mentioned Reggae as being an extension of a largely urban environment. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 9, 2018 16:54:48 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mar 9, 2018 16:29:46 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

I'd say you're average Sam Hunt and FGL song sounds a hell of a lot more similar to 90's Country than Migos does to 90's Hip-Hop. Country has changed a lot less in the last 20-25 years than Hip-Hop or Pop. 

It's way more than "the basic aspects of what makes up the genre". The average Country song these days is like... only marginally different than what's been popular in Country for the last two decades. 

IDK why people single out Country like that. Maybe it's because they expect Country to only sound like incredibly twangy hillbilly music? IDK. 

From Charlie Rich to Dolly Parton to Shania Twain to present day, Country music has always had artists who are accessible to a variety of people. 

There's a difference in an artist being accessible to a variety of people and an artist making music that sounds like a lot of things. The original versions of most Shania songs (i.e. not pop radio mixes) still heavily featured traditional country instruments (like the album version of "You're Still the One" utilizing steel guitar). There were some pop/rock elements to her production and melodies, and those appealed to a pop audience, but the instrumentation (and even a lot of her lyrics) belonged to country. Look at "Love Get Me Every Time" with its fiddle hook and use of "gol' darn gone and done it." Twain also sent pop versions of those songs to radio to get a crossover audience, so the broad appeal of the songs wasn't necessarily about the country versions.

With a lot of 'country' acts now, the production that is brought to the forefront are non-country elements like electric guitars, drum machine, etc. If there is a banjo or some other traditionally country instrument in the song, it's mixed in the background. I actually see Shania Twain as a prime example of the point you made about genres evolving; for the most part her music kept true country music as a base, but she broadened its appeal with pop and rock elements. I don't think much current mainstream 'country' music uses anything traditionally country as a base.

Exactly when do you think it changed? 

I was obsessed with Country music as a kid. From about 2003-2008. Of course, my local Country station (KATM) would also constantly play music from the 1990's. Especially songs like "Indian Outlaw" and "Should Have Been A Cowboy" that were older hits from artists that were still big at the time. 

I know the differences between the average Country song of the 90's to the 00's to today. I know what bro-Country is. I see the changes in instrumentation and lyrics. 

But at the same time, it just doesn't at all seem that distinct to me. They just aren't really too different at all. Especially compared to the changes that every other genre has gone through. 

It's clearly the same genre. The same culture. The same people making the music. The same listening to the music. And the most important musical similarity throughout the last 25+ years since the early 1990's isn't whether the guitars are electric, it's the vocal style. Both the voice and the delivery. Not the accent, but the way that it is sung.

I lack the technical vocabulary to articulate exactly what it is about the vocal style that makes it distinctly Country. But the vocals from FGL in the first minute of the Bebe Rexha song have a certain sound that is just not going to be found in general Pop music. 



Bottom line, even if you don't hear it, there's a huge difference between Country music and other genres. If Country wasn't so distinctive, it wouldn't have its own completely insular culture, radio format, and fan base. 

[chartslovergermany]

Mar 9, 2018 16:27:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

like wtf Taylor songs always matters only because Reputation singles weren’t so good in the chart as the 1989 songs it doesn’t mean that Taylor is irrelevant.End game just didn’t do well because she didn’t really promoted it.idk why she didn’t promoted it.

[iHype.]

Mar 9, 2018 16:55:34 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Mar 9, 2018 13:28:12 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Terrible?

According to Billboard 2006 & 2017 had the most Hip-Hop Hot 100 #1s for any year ever.

OK, that is an interesting stat. I assume that those #1s either debuted late in the year, or were from people who didn't have any other hits that year. 

The reason I said that it was bad is that the top artists (inv point) of that year for Hip-Hop were Young Joc at #14 and Chamillionare at #18. Young Joc is by far the most obscure artist to be the top Hip-Hop artist for any year in the 21st century. 

In comparison, 2002 had Nelly (#1), Eminem (#6), Ja Rule (#14), Ludacris (#17), Fat Joe (#19), and Cam'Ron (#20)

2003 had 50 Cent (#1), Fabolous (#9), Chingy (#10), Nelly (#11), Jay-Z (#16), Eminem (#18)

2004 had Kanye West (#4), Twista (#6), Nelly (#9), Jay-Z (#11), Outkast (#13), Lil Flip (#15) Ludacris (#17), Chingy (#18), Juvenille (#19)

2005 had 50 Cent (#2), The Black Eyed Peas (#7), The Game (#8), Bow Wow (#12), Ludacris (#13), Eminem (#16), Kanye West (#19), Yin Yang Twins (#20)

2007 had Akon (#5), T-Pain (#6), Kanye West (#9), Timbaland (#13), T.I. (#18), Unk (#19), Soulja Boy (#20)

2008 had Lil Wayne (#4), Flo Rida (#5), Kanye West (#9), T.I. (#15), Plies (#19)

2009 had The Black Eyed Peas (#4), T.I. (#9), Flo Rida (#10), Drake (#11), Soulja Boy (#17)

So you can see that 2006 does stand out in a negative way in terms of having multiple big artists with multiple big hits each. 



I didn't consider Sean Paul to be Hip-Hop for this. Not saying he objectively isn't Hip-Hop, just that I didn't include him. He is the reason I mentioned Reggae as being an extension of a largely urban environment. 

I think a better analysis would be 2006 for Hip-Hop lacked a rapper that was single-handedly dominant. Despite that 2006 still had many Hip-Hop hits, and it continued to be a dominant genre. There was just a lack of a singular rap artist scoring hit after hit.

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 9, 2018 17:28:24 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Mar 9, 2018 16:55:34 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

OK, that is an interesting stat. I assume that those #1s either debuted late in the year, or were from people who didn't have any other hits that year. 

The reason I said that it was bad is that the top artists (inv point) of that year for Hip-Hop were Young Joc at #14 and Chamillionare at #18. Young Joc is by far the most obscure artist to be the top Hip-Hop artist for any year in the 21st century. 

In comparison, 2002 had Nelly (#1), Eminem (#6), Ja Rule (#14), Ludacris (#17), Fat Joe (#19), and Cam'Ron (#20)

2003 had 50 Cent (#1), Fabolous (#9), Chingy (#10), Nelly (#11), Jay-Z (#16), Eminem (#18)

2004 had Kanye West (#4), Twista (#6), Nelly (#9), Jay-Z (#11), Outkast (#13), Lil Flip (#15) Ludacris (#17), Chingy (#18), Juvenille (#19)

2005 had 50 Cent (#2), The Black Eyed Peas (#7), The Game (#8), Bow Wow (#12), Ludacris (#13), Eminem (#16), Kanye West (#19), Yin Yang Twins (#20)

2007 had Akon (#5), T-Pain (#6), Kanye West (#9), Timbaland (#13), T.I. (#18), Unk (#19), Soulja Boy (#20)

2008 had Lil Wayne (#4), Flo Rida (#5), Kanye West (#9), T.I. (#15), Plies (#19)

2009 had The Black Eyed Peas (#4), T.I. (#9), Flo Rida (#10), Drake (#11), Soulja Boy (#17)

So you can see that 2006 does stand out in a negative way in terms of having multiple big artists with multiple big hits each. 



I didn't consider Sean Paul to be Hip-Hop for this. Not saying he objectively isn't Hip-Hop, just that I didn't include him. He is the reason I mentioned Reggae as being an extension of a largely urban environment. 

I think a better analysis would be 2006 for Hip-Hop lacked a rapper that was single-handedly dominant. Despite that 2006 still had many Hip-Hop hits, and it continued to be a dominant genre. There was just a lack of a singular rap artist scoring hit after hit.

Yeah, maybe there were a ton of them lower down that make up for a lack of big artists at the top. I don't know. I haven't explored those years in depth enough. 

[jenglisbe]

Mar 9, 2018 17:13:06 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

But at the same time, it just doesn't at all seem that distinct to me. They just aren't really too different at all. Especially compared to the changes that every other genre has gone through.

What similarities do you hear between "Forever and Ever, Amen" or "Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under" and "House Party" or "Round Here" as examples?

It's clearly the same genre. The same culture. The same people making the music. The same listening to the music. And the most important musical similarity throughout the last 25+ years since the early 1990's isn't whether the guitars are electric, it's the vocal style. Both the voice and the delivery. Not the accent, but the way that it is sung.

I lack the technical vocabulary to articulate exactly what it is about the vocal style that makes it distinctly Country. But the vocals from FGL in the first minute of the Bebe Rexha song have a certain sound that is just not going to be found in general Pop music. 

That's interesting to me because I'd argue the exact opposite; to me a lot of country singers have actually been influenced by hip-hop and are pseudo-rapping in their songs. A lot of 'bro country' (since you mention it) has more in common vocally with hip-hop than with George Strait.

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 9, 2018 17:46:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mar 9, 2018 17:13:06 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

But at the same time, it just doesn't at all seem that distinct to me. They just aren't really too different at all. Especially compared to the changes that every other genre has gone through.

What similarities do you hear between "Forever and Ever, Amen" or "Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under" and "House Party" or "Round Here" as examples?

It's clearly the same genre. The same culture. The same people making the music. The same listening to the music. And the most important musical similarity throughout the last 25+ years since the early 1990's isn't whether the guitars are electric, it's the vocal style. Both the voice and the delivery. Not the accent, but the way that it is sung.

I lack the technical vocabulary to articulate exactly what it is about the vocal style that makes it distinctly Country. But the vocals from FGL in the first minute of the Bebe Rexha song have a certain sound that is just not going to be found in general Pop music. 

That's interesting to me because I'd argue the exact opposite; to me a lot of country singers have actually been influenced by hip-hop and are pseudo-rapping in their songs. A lot of 'bro country' (since you mention it) has more in common vocally with hip-hop than with George Strait.

The first few seconds of "Round Here" has an acoustic guitarish sound played in a way that you can only really find in Country. Now I'm on the 26 second mark of "Round Here" and I hear the same general vocal style that I've always associated with Country. 

"House Party" has record scratches, but it also has the same vocal style and acoustic sounds that have always been associated with Country. And I think the speed at which the instruments are played and the drum beat come into play as well. 

Like I said, I lack the technical vocabulary. I don't play any instruments. But I know Country when I see it, as they say. 

I think you chose some extreme examples, and then there are just sort of your "average" songs from these eras. Like, I just relistened to "Marry Me" and it doesn't sound too much different from your average Rascal Flatts song from 13-15 years ago. 

Would you have said the same thing about Toby, Tim, Kenny Chesney, and Keith Urban who all dominated in the mid 2000s? What about Blake Shelton? Luke Bryan? Jason Aldean? Eric Church? These people all overlap each other and most of them have still been putting out songs recently. Songs that play on the same format, and appeal to the same culture and audience as Florida Georgia Line and Sam Hunt. 

Bro-Country is definitely influenced by Hip-Hop, Pop, Dance, and R&B. But they take concepts from those genres and incorporate them into their Country sound. They themselves can't easily be mistaken for Hip-Hop or Dance or R&B artists. I only ever mistake the lightest of Pop artists with Country artists every once in a while.    

[renaboss]

Mar 9, 2018 17:22:34 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

Mar 9, 2018 16:27:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

like wtf Taylor songs always matters only because Reputation singles weren’t so good in the chart as the 1989 songs it doesn’t mean that Taylor is irrelevant.End game just didn’t do well because she didn’t really promoted it.idk why she didn’t promoted it.

Really didn't think that would trigger anyone. Yeah I meant if anyone thought it'd actually be a hit. I hope it does. Not cos of the song itself, just cos I love Taylor, and am disappointed by this era. "Delicate" is probably one of my least favorite tracks off the album, but whatcha gonna do. 

[mako]

Hot 100 threads are debate clubs tbh

[forg]

Mar 9, 2018 4:27:14 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

I think it's interesting that hip-hop become dominant at the same time a new format of music consumption becomes dominant.

1992 is the exact year that CD sales surpassed cassette tape sales in music industry.

Early to mid 2000s are the year where digital download began to dominate, and we are now in the middle of the transition to streaming domination.

I agree, now let's see if the other genres can eventually catch up

When a song tops Spotify it most likely will be go to #1 on Hot 100 compared to topping iTunes and radio airplay

[rainie]

Anyways...

How many points does Zombie have? It's currently #4 on iTunes and climbing, but it's only getting radio play from one format and idk how its doing on streaming.

[85la]

Mar 9, 2018 16:27:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

No. If any single were to revive the era, imo Delicate would certainly not be it. It does absolutely nothing for me.

Mar 10, 2018 2:10:42 GMT -5 rainie said:

Anyways...

How many points does Zombie have? It's currently #4 on iTunes and climbing, but it's only getting radio play from one format and idk how its doing on streaming.

I'm a bit surprised at this song ranking so high by this new band I barely heard of. I guess it being a Cranberries cover has something to do with it, but it was released in January, I guess shortly after Dolores O'Riordan's death, so why is it just now shooting up?

[chartslovergermany]

Mar 9, 2018 19:03:09 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Mar 9, 2018 17:22:34 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

like wtf Taylor songs always matters only because Reputation singles weren’t so good in the chart as the 1989 songs it doesn’t mean that Taylor is irrelevant.End game just didn’t do well because she didn’t really promoted it.idk why she didn’t promoted it.

Really didn't think that would trigger anyone. Yeah I meant if anyone thought it'd actually be a hit. I hope it does. Not cos of the song itself, just cos I love Taylor, and am disappointed by this era. "Delicate" is probably one of my least favorite tracks off the album, but whatcha gonna do. 

sorry i overreacted a little bit,but yeah i don’t think Delicate will be a big hit,End game had more potential than Delicate

[rickroller]

At first, Delicate isn't dark enough to not to be a hit.

[Gary]

Does it have the streaming?

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 03/10/2018
1. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (187.303) (+1.379)
2. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (172.239) (-0.615)
3. (+2) DRAKE - God's Plan (129.101) (+1.464)
4. (-1) DUA LIPA - New Rules (127.142) (-0.733)
5. (+1) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (126.536) (+2.156)
6. (-2) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (125.396) (-2.477)
7. (=) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (122.697) (+0.912)
8. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (112.140) (+0.227)
9. (=) NF - Let You Down (110.954) (-0.602)
10. (+2) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (93.456) (+1.415)
11. (=) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (92.496) (-0.072)
12. (-2) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (91.983) (-2.129)
13. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (88.960) (+1.999)
14. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (81.496) (-1.536)
15. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (73.193) (-0.523)
16. (+1) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (73.140) (-0.057) ***
17. (+1) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (73.013) (+0.367)
18. (-2) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (71.771) (-1.550)
19. (=) THOMAS RHETT - Marry Me (69.990) (+0.039)
20. (=) MACKLEMORE - Good Old Days f/Kesha (68.195) (+0.451)

Outside the Top 20:
22. (+1) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (63.038) (+1.409)
24. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (62.899) (+1.430)
34. (+1) MAROON 5 - Wait (49.527) (+1.073)
50. (+2) MIGOS - Stir Fry (38.237) (+1.275)
54. (+4) KANE BROWN - Heaven (34.848) (+1.246)
57. (-3) A$AP FERG - Plain Jane (33.828) (-1.060)

[fhas]

Mar 10, 2018 2:10:42 GMT -5 rainie said:

Anyways...

How many points does Zombie have? It's currently #4 on iTunes and climbing, but it's only getting radio play from one format and idk how its doing on streaming.

It's #55 on Pandora this week. Last week it debuted at #51. It's not in the top 200 of Spotify or Apple Music.

[Gary]

We don’t get a lot of hit remakes anymore. Would be nice for one to click

[kindofbiased]

Mar 9, 2018 16:27:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

Radio will probably love it but I don't see it being a huge smash hit :/

[kindofbiased]

Mar 9, 2018 16:55:34 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Mar 9, 2018 13:28:12 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Terrible?

According to Billboard 2006 & 2017 had the most Hip-Hop Hot 100 #1s for any year ever.

OK, that is an interesting stat. I assume that those #1s either debuted late in the year, or were from people who didn't have any other hits that year. 

The reason I said that it was bad is that the top artists (inv point) of that year for Hip-Hop were Young Joc at #14 and Chamillionare at #18. Young Joc is by far the most obscure artist to be the top Hip-Hop artist for any year in the 21st century. 

In comparison, 2002 had Nelly (#1), Eminem (#6), Ja Rule (#14), Ludacris (#17), Fat Joe (#19), and Cam'Ron (#20)

2003 had 50 Cent (#1), Fabolous (#9), Chingy (#10), Nelly (#11), Jay-Z (#16), Eminem (#18)

2004 had Kanye West (#4), Twista (#6), Nelly (#9), Jay-Z (#11), Outkast (#13), Lil Flip (#15) Ludacris (#17), Chingy (#18), Juvenille (#19)

2005 had 50 Cent (#2), The Black Eyed Peas (#7), The Game (#8), Bow Wow (#12), Ludacris (#13), Eminem (#16), Kanye West (#19), Yin Yang Twins (#20)

2007 had Akon (#5), T-Pain (#6), Kanye West (#9), Timbaland (#13), T.I. (#18), Unk (#19), Soulja Boy (#20)

2008 had Lil Wayne (#4), Flo Rida (#5), Kanye West (#9), T.I. (#15), Plies (#19)

2009 had The Black Eyed Peas (#4), T.I. (#9), Flo Rida (#10), Drake (#11), Soulja Boy (#17)

So you can see that 2006 does stand out in a negative way in terms of having multiple big artists with multiple big hits each. 



I didn't consider Sean Paul to be Hip-Hop for this. Not saying he objectively isn't Hip-Hop, just that I didn't include him. He is the reason I mentioned Reggae as being an extension of a largely urban environment. 

Minor nitpick, but Ridin' actually made year end top 10 at #8, not #18.

And I do think 2006 was a really big year for hip-hop, it was just also a big year for a lot of other genres and the hip-hop that got big that year ended up fading away fast so individual songs didn't leave as much of an impact.

[Deleted]

Mar 10, 2018 4:00:55 GMT -5 85la said:

Mar 9, 2018 16:27:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

No. If any single were to revive the era, imo Delicate would certainly not be it. It does absolutely nothing for me.

Mar 10, 2018 2:10:42 GMT -5 rainie said:

Anyways...

How many points does Zombie have? It's currently #4 on iTunes and climbing, but it's only getting radio play from one format and idk how its doing on streaming.

I'm a bit surprised at this song ranking so high by this new band I barely heard of. I guess it being a Cranberries cover has something to do with it, but it was released in January, I guess shortly after Dolores O'Riordan's death, so why is it just now shooting up?

After Disturbed hit with Sound of Silence, this doing well doesn't surprise me at all.  Not a huge fan, but maybe that's because I'm so far removed from "metal" today because rock has been missing from my mainstream life for so long.  

I'd be down for a mainstream rock comeback, I just don't need a ton of remade nostalgia.

[forg]

Mar 10, 2018 9:39:45 GMT -5 Gary said:

We don’t get a lot of hit remakes anymore. Would be nice for one to click

Without looking it up, I couldn't even remember the last time there was a cover that charted well on Hot 100. On top of my head are Glee songs but mostly are just one week wonders, maybe Lady Marmalade was the last #1 that was a remake?

[deepston]

Mar 9, 2018 16:27:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So, does anyone think "Delicate" might be the first new single since "Look What You Made Me Do" to actually matter?

I think it has the potential to be the biggest hit on the album and will probably do very good in radio. Streaming and sales will decide where it peaks but I'm sure it can perform better than the previous 2 singles.

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 10, 2018 10:19:55 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Mar 9, 2018 16:55:34 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

OK, that is an interesting stat. I assume that those #1s either debuted late in the year, or were from people who didn't have any other hits that year. 

The reason I said that it was bad is that the top artists (inv point) of that year for Hip-Hop were Young Joc at #14 and Chamillionare at #18. Young Joc is by far the most obscure artist to be the top Hip-Hop artist for any year in the 21st century. 

In comparison, 2002 had Nelly (#1), Eminem (#6), Ja Rule (#14), Ludacris (#17), Fat Joe (#19), and Cam'Ron (#20)

2003 had 50 Cent (#1), Fabolous (#9), Chingy (#10), Nelly (#11), Jay-Z (#16), Eminem (#18)

2004 had Kanye West (#4), Twista (#6), Nelly (#9), Jay-Z (#11), Outkast (#13), Lil Flip (#15) Ludacris (#17), Chingy (#18), Juvenille (#19)

2005 had 50 Cent (#2), The Black Eyed Peas (#7), The Game (#8), Bow Wow (#12), Ludacris (#13), Eminem (#16), Kanye West (#19), Yin Yang Twins (#20)

2007 had Akon (#5), T-Pain (#6), Kanye West (#9), Timbaland (#13), T.I. (#18), Unk (#19), Soulja Boy (#20)

2008 had Lil Wayne (#4), Flo Rida (#5), Kanye West (#9), T.I. (#15), Plies (#19)

2009 had The Black Eyed Peas (#4), T.I. (#9), Flo Rida (#10), Drake (#11), Soulja Boy (#17)

So you can see that 2006 does stand out in a negative way in terms of having multiple big artists with multiple big hits each. 



I didn't consider Sean Paul to be Hip-Hop for this. Not saying he objectively isn't Hip-Hop, just that I didn't include him. He is the reason I mentioned Reggae as being an extension of a largely urban environment. 

Minor nitpick, but Ridin' actually made year end top 10 at #8, not #18.

And I do think 2006 was a really big year for hip-hop, it was just also a big year for a lot of other genres and the hip-hop that got big that year ended up fading away fast so individual songs didn't leave as much of an impact.

I was talking about artists list, not the song list. 

[Golden Bluebird]

All songs from Logic's latest mixtape Bobby Tarantino II are in the US Spotify Top 25 right now, so we can expect some songs from the mixtape to debut on the Hot 100 next week.

[garrettlen]

Mar 9, 2018 10:03:01 GMT -5 lazer said:

1963 to 1966 - Surf Rock, Garage Rock, Sunshine Pop

You forgot a BIG one here.  British Invasion rock/pop led by the Beatles and followed by a horde of other successful British groups and singers (The Rolling Stones, the Dave Clark Five, Petula Clark, Dusty Springfield, The Who, Tom Jones, The Yardbirds, The Animals, Eric Clapton, The Zombies, to name just a few).

As far as significance in overall pop music history; the British Invasion of the 1960's can not be underestimated.