Billboard Hot 100: 3/17/2018

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 8, 2018 21:11:58 GMT -5 85la said:

Mar 8, 2018 17:49:57 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Hip-Hop being more popular than Pop is a weird and unnatural position that we're in right now. It's only really been this way for maybe about a year.

It's been aided not just by the great success of Hip-Hop artists. It's also been caused by a series of relative failures and absences from Pop artists Rihanna and Bieber aren't around as main artists in 2017-2018. Katy Perry, Miley, Taylor Swift, and Justin Timberlake all had/having eras that were poor compared to their previous eras. There's been few fresh artists to come in and make up for them. And a lot of the non-Hip-Hop artists to do incredibly in 2017 and 2018 aren't Pop artists either. 

Hip-Hop being dominant over Pop is a very strange situation that I don't think will last for long. But, we can still be dominated by an urban music culture and still have Pop above Hip-Hop. Just like we did in 2015 and 2016. 

Well, not exactly. It's not like hip-hop being huge is new or anything. It started to blow up in the 90s and for a few years in the 2000s (roughly 2002-2007 maybe) it actually was probably bigger than pop. It has been around for awhile with varying periods of waxing and waning, but if anything only seems to be getting bigger rather than smaller, so I wouldn't count on it going away anytime soon (and this is coming from someone who clearly likes pop more than most hip-hop).

I've only really been keeping track of exact genre percentages since about 2013. 

I imagine there might have been a few years in the 2000's that Hip-Hop was bigger than Pop. Particularly in 2002 and 2003 when Nelly and 50 Cent were the biggest artists of those years. 

But I do know that 2006 was a particularly terrible year for Hip-Hop (while being a decent year for urban Pop, R&B and Reggae). 

[lazer]

Hip-Hop dominance is usually periodical. The genre was dominant in years like 1992-1997, 2003-2008, and 2015-present.

[Gary]

Radioactive v Thunder

Radioactive ---

Peak: 3
Top 10: 20 weeks
Top 25: 46 weeks


Thunder

Peak: 4
Top 10: 18 weeks
Top 25: 23 weeks (so far)

Top 25 = time spent in the top 25, does not include time to reach top 25.

Advantage: Radioactive

comparing time In top 50 is irrelevant since different rules were in place

[Future Captain]

I think it's interesting that hip-hop become dominant at the same time a new format of music consumption becomes dominant.

1992 is the exact year that CD sales surpassed cassette tape sales in music industry.

Early to mid 2000s are the year where digital download began to dominate, and we are now in the middle of the transition to streaming domination.

[Caviar]

Mar 9, 2018 4:27:14 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

I think it's interesting that hip-hop become dominant at the same time a new format of music consumption becomes dominant.

1992 is the exact year that CD sales surpassed cassette tape sales in music industry.

Early to mid 2000s are the year where digital download began to dominate, and we are now in the middle of the transition to streaming domination.

I hope you're right. Which means pop should explode again by the end of next year.

[jebsib]

What you guys are experiencing (maybe for the first time…?) is the natural pendulum swing of pop music popularity that has been going on for 50 years. Typically what happens is that pop music dominates the charts (and culture) like in the mid 60s, late 70s, mid to late 80s, late 90s, and late 00s / early 10s…

This is almost always followed by Pop faltering, running out of hit making stars, not replacing them with exciting enough next gen artists, and r&b (or its current iteration, streaming Hip-Hop) filling the vacuum void.
Happened in 1972 - 74, mid '90s, 2000s and now. (Did not occur in early 80s due to the cultural phenomenon known as Disco Backlash)

What ultimately happens is that the r&b element becomes stale and a new Pop wave emerges.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[Leo ✔]

I found interesting all the previous posts. Something like you all have said happened on latin markets. From 2005-2010 we were invaded by reggaeton, it was pretty huge on latin culture, after 2010 it started to disappear and from 2015 (? To now this genre is blowing up again and stronger than never (yeah songs like Despacito, Mi Gente, etc) the difference this new era is the fact that the genre was able to crossover to worldwide smash, another aspect to consider is the tradicional latin pop artist (basically ballads and pop) are switching to reggaeton too, to gain or regain success or to keep current, principally old artists like Chayanne, Franco de Vita and other latin big hitters.

[Deleted]

Does that mean my country will go back to sludgy local pop rock songs about love strains again? Oh how I'm excited :sip2:

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 03/09/2018
1. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (185.924) (-0.580)
2. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (172.854) (-0.657)
3. (+1) DUA LIPA - New Rules (127.875) (-1.394)
4. (-1) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (127.873) (-2.306)
5. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (127.637) (+1.086)
6. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (124.380) (+2.457)
7. (=) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (121.785) (+0.805)
8. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (111.913) (-0.196)
9. (=) NF - Let You Down (111.556) (-0.208)
10. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (94.112) (-1.282)
11. (=) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (92.568) (-0.370)
12. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (92.041) (+1.183)
13. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (86.961) (+2.169)
14. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (83.032) (-1.664)
15. (+1) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (73.716) (-0.998)
16. (-1) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (73.321) (-1.566)
17. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (73.197) (-0.488)
18. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (72.646) (+0.369)
19. (=) THOMAS RHETT - Marry Me (69.951) (+0.300)
20. (=) MACKLEMORE - Good Old Days f/Kesha (67.744) (+0.550)

Outside the Top 20:
23. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (61.629) (+1.350)
24. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (61.469) (+1.318)
57. (+9) DJ KHALED - Top Off f/Jay Z, Future & B (33.801) (+3.379)
58. (+2) KANE BROWN - Heaven (33.602) (+1.408)

[Future Captain]

Well, looking back at the previous cycles, early 2020s will either be a pure pop/dancepop resurgence or another round of pop rock revival. Also, another female Country-Pop superstar will probably surface soon too, since we always have one in every cycle. Late 2000s and early 2010s gave way to Taylor Swift, Late 90s and early 2000s gave way to Faith Hill and Shania Twain, the 80s is Reba's breakthrough years, and the 70s is when Dolly Parton reached the zenith of commercial success in her carreer.

[annoymous1]

Off topic How is Meant To Be Considered Country ? It sounds more Pop than Country

[Choco]

Mar 9, 2018 9:37:33 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Off topic How is Meant To Be Considered Country ? It sounds more Pop than Country

Same way "We Are Never Getting Back Together" became a #1 country hit. It has a huge country artist on it.

[lazer]

1963 to 1966 - British Invasion, Surf Rock, Garage Rock, Sunshine Pop
1967 to 1973 - Psychedelia, Country, Bubblegum Pop, Soul, Funk
1974 to 1981 - Disco, Funk, Soft Rock, Hard Rock
1982 to 1985 - New Wave, Synthpop, Dance-Rock
1986 to 1992 - Glam Metal, Pop, Adult Contemporary, New Jack Swing
1993 to 1997 - Hip Hop, Alternative Rock, R&B, Eurodance
1998 to 2002 - Pop, R&B, Alternative Rock, Pop Rock
2003 to 2008 - Hip Hop(Crunk), R&B, Pop, Pop Rock
2009 to 2014 - Electropop, Electro House, Pop Rap, Indie
2015 to present - Hip Hop(Trap), Tropical House, Alternative Pop,

[54generation]

seems like there will be a switch of trends every 5 years. Guess something new will come in at the beginning of the 2020s decade.

[Au$tin]

Mar 9, 2018 9:42:44 GMT -5 Choco said:

Mar 9, 2018 9:37:33 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Off topic How is Meant To Be Considered Country ? It sounds more Pop than Country

Same way "We Are Never Getting Back Together" became a #1 country hit. It has a huge country artist on it.

#1 on Billboard's country chart where they are the ones who arbitrarily decide a song's genre. On the country airplay chart, WANEGBT flopped. MTB, however is doing well on country airplay and it really shouldn't be.

[jenglisbe]

Country radio hasn’t sounded ‘country’ in years so not sure why anyone would be surprised “Meant to Be” is doing well there. Not much of Sam Hunt or Florida Georgia Line is ‘country,’ and certainly nothing about “The Fighter” was country.

[Gary]

For the definition of country, I would probably look here. Meant to Be is #11

Country radio top 60

This Week Last Week Two Weeks Ago Weeks Title, Artist Peak
1 2 4 16 #1 1 wks Marry Me , Thomas Rhett 1
2 3 5 33 Broken Halos , Chris Stapleton 2
3 1 3 41 Five More Minutes , Scotty McCreery 1
4 7 8 11 Most People Are Good , Luke Bryan 4
5 5 7 40 All On Me , Devin Dawson 5
6 8 9 28 The Long Way , Brett Eldredge 6
7 4 2 25 Written In The Sand , Old Dominion 1
8 10 10 37 Singles You Up , Jordan Davis 8
9 11 11 44 She's With Me , High Valley 9
10 13 14 6 You Make It Easy , Jason Aldean 10
11 15 16 15 Meant To Be , Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line 11
12 14 13 30 For The First Time , Darius Rucker 12
13 16 15 37 Happens Like That , Granger Smith 13
14 17 20 18 Heaven , Kane Brown 14
15 19 19 8 I Lived It , Blake Shelton 15
16 18 17 38 Boy , Lee Brice 16
17 21 22 7 Woman, Amen , Dierks Bentley 17
18 20 18 17 Everything's Gonna Be Alright , David Lee Murphy & Kenny Chesney 18
19 22 21 33 Ones That Like Me , Brantley Gilbert 19
20 23 23 16 Up Down , Morgan Wallen Featuring Florida Georgia Line 20
21 25 28 11 One Number Away , Luke Combs 21
22 0 Hot Shot Debut 1 I Was Jack (You Were Diane) , Jake Owen 22
23 24 24 32 Get To You , Michael Ray 23
24 26 27 21 Take Back Home Girl , Chris Lane Featuring Tori Kelly 24
25 30 30 17 Kiss Somebody , Morgan Evans 25
26 29 29 20 She Ain't In It , Jon Pardi 26
27 12 12 17 Female , Keith Urban 12
28 27 26 13 Criminal , Lindsay Ell 26
29 31 31 27 Three Chords & The Truth , Chase Rice 29
30 32 32 23 Heart Break , Lady Antebellum 30
31 33 33 27 Hooked , Dylan Scott 31
32 34 34 22 Kinda Don't Care , Justin Moore 32
33 36 37 31 Doin' Fine , Lauren Alaina 33
34 35 36 8 A Little Dive Bar In Dahlonega , Ashley McBryde 34
35 28 – 2 Break Up In The End , Cole Swindell 28
36 37 35 13 Drunk Girl , Chris Janson 35
37 39 38 8 Tequila , Dan + Shay 35
38 38 39 9 I Got This , Jerrod Niemann 38
39 42 48 4 Mercy , Brett Young 39
40 41 40 21 Wild West , Runaway June 40
41 44 42 12 Hide The Wine , Carly Pearce 41
42 40 – 17 I'd Be Jealous Too , Dustin Lynch 39
43 45 44 12 Diane , Cam 43
44 43 41 8 Shoot Me Straight , Brothers Osborne 41
45 47 45 13 Last Shot , Kip Moore 45
46 46 43 10 Still The Same , Sugarland 26
47 51 49 5 Born To Love You , LANCO 47
48 49 46 6 Don't Get Better Than That , LOCASH 46
49 48 – 12 Speakers, Bleachers And Preachers , Brandon Lay 48
50 50 50 3 Rich , Maren Morris 50
51 52 53 3 Best Shot , Jimmie Allen 51
52 55 – 2 Worth It , Danielle Bradbery 52
53 54 57 3 Reasons , Jillian Jacqueline 53
54 57 54 3 Something 'Bout You , Sir Rosevelt 54
55 0 Re-Entry 4 Hey Mama , Michael Tyler 55
56 56 52 5 American Rock 'N Roll , Kid Rock 52
57 59 55 5 Country Song , Casey Donahew 55
58 58 56 6 Chills , James Barker Band 56
59 0 New 1 I Hate Love Songs , Kelsea Ballerini 59
60 0 New 1 Blue Tacoma , Russell Dickerson 60

[GP]

Mar 8, 2018 18:54:17 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Mar 8, 2018 13:37:05 GMT -5 lazer said:

Would streaming be better if there's a lot of movement instead of one song staying at the top for 3-5 months? I think pop music listeners have to adjust to streaming and support their favorite artists there.

Honestly I think once pop eventually makes the full transition to streaming like hip-hop has the charts will start to have a lot more movement. Not only will it be due to two major genres as opposed to one, but Ive noticed pop fans tend to move on faster? I guess??? Idk it seems like with the exception of a few songs at any given time there tends to be a lot more movement with the songs pop fans listen to.

Idk, the most recent actual pop hits NR, Havana.. had great longevity

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 9, 2018 10:56:59 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Country radio hasn’t sounded ‘country’ in years so not sure why anyone would be surprised “Meant to Be” is doing well there. Not much of Sam Hunt or Florida Georgia Line is ‘country,’ and certainly nothing about “The Fighter” was country.

Says who? You can even more easily claim that about any genre that changes over time. 

The Weeknd doesn't sound like R&B! Only Boyz II Men is R&B!

Migos don't sound like Hip-Hop! Only 2Pac is Hip-Hop!

Halsey isn't Alternative! Only Nirvana is Alternative!

Camila Cabello isn't Pop! She doesn't sound anything like Neil Sedeka!!

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 8, 2018 22:23:52 GMT -5 lazer said:

Hip-Hop dominance is usually periodical. The genre was dominant in years like 1992-1997, 2003-2008, and 2015-present.

I'm not sure that Hip-Hop "dominated" the period from 1992-1997. 

I just think that Hip-Hop was doing better in those years than it was in 98-01 and better than it was in 87-91. So I think it was on an upswing during 1992-1997. But compared to the 21st century, I'm not sure if it was nearly as established. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Doing a quick run through of the Year end Top 100 from 1990 - Present. Trying to see which songs are Hip-Hop songs. I'll use iTunes as the metric.

1990: #45, #47, #55, #62, #94, #99, #100 (7 songs, 205 inv)

1991: #20, #38, #57, #64, #67, #94, #98 (7 songs, 269 inv)

1992: #2, #3, #44, #46, #51, #65, #69, #76, #78, #99 (10 songs, 477 inv)

1993: #2, #9, #10, #11, #16, #24, #38, #44, #45, #53, #56, #75, #78, #85, #86, (15 songs, 883 inv)

1994: #14, #20, #22, #29, #37, #41, #42, #52, #59, #61, #62, #65, #81, #82, #88, #99 (16 songs, 762 inv)

This is more time consuming than I thought. I'll continue this more later.

[Gary]

Hip-Hop has been a growing presence since the late 80s

What brings it out now as the dominant genre is streaming


Since streaming is a relatively new thing, there is no real way to tell how big it was prior to the last few years. The albums/CDs still are not big sellers

[jebsib]

Not sure if you were around in the 1990s, but culturally it felt as if Hip-Hop dominated the whole decade, from the headlines to the album charts, to the singles charts (once Soundscan kicked in). This is not to say that Country and Grunge didn't have their fair share of influence.

The problem is using year end charts to get a sense of what was prevalent in the culture is not always the most accurate way to do it. If you keep going past 1994 you will see that this era - when pop / rock hits were not allowed to chart if commercially unavailable - will be filled with Hip-Hop based and rap-edged r&b.

[iHype.]

Mar 8, 2018 22:18:00 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Mar 8, 2018 21:11:58 GMT -5 85la said:

Well, not exactly. It's not like hip-hop being huge is new or anything. It started to blow up in the 90s and for a few years in the 2000s (roughly 2002-2007 maybe) it actually was probably bigger than pop. It has been around for awhile with varying periods of waxing and waning, but if anything only seems to be getting bigger rather than smaller, so I wouldn't count on it going away anytime soon (and this is coming from someone who clearly likes pop more than most hip-hop).

I've only really been keeping track of exact genre percentages since about 2013. 

I imagine there might have been a few years in the 2000's that Hip-Hop was bigger than Pop. Particularly in 2002 and 2003 when Nelly and 50 Cent were the biggest artists of those years. 

But I do know that 2006 was a particularly terrible year for Hip-Hop (while being a decent year for urban Pop, R&B and Reggae). 

Terrible?

According to Billboard 2006 & 2017 had the most Hip-Hop Hot 100 #1s for any year ever.

2017 marks the first year that as many as five rap hits have topped the Hot 100 since 2006, when D4L's "Laffy Taffy"; Nelly's "Grillz," featuring Paul Wall, Ali and Gipp; Sean Paul's "Temperature"; Chamillionaire's "Ridin'," featuring Krayzie Bone; and Ludacris' "Money Maker," featuring Pharrell, all reigned. Five rap hits also ruled the Hot 100 in 2004 and 2003.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 9, 2018 11:28:43 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Mar 9, 2018 10:56:59 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Country radio hasn’t sounded ‘country’ in years so not sure why anyone would be surprised “Meant to Be” is doing well there. Not much of Sam Hunt or Florida Georgia Line is ‘country,’ and certainly nothing about “The Fighter” was country.

Says who? You can even more easily claim that about any genre that changes over time. 

The Weeknd doesn't sound like R&B! Only Boyz II Men is R&B!

Migos don't sound like Hip-Hop! Only 2Pac is Hip-Hop!

Halsey isn't Alternative! Only Nirvana is Alternative!

Camila Cabello isn't Pop! She doesn't sound anything like Neil Sedeka!!

I put country in quote marks for a reason.

[Gary]

What "country" is seems to change over time but it still seems to be a good barometer as to what is accepted as "country" and what is not.


The Hot 100 is horrible for that as it incorporates components that are not pure country into the popularity formula

[iHype.]

R&B/Hip-Hop has been dominative since the mid 90s, the only period it was absent chart wise was early 2010s.

For example, literally only 2 Pop songs by white artists went #1 in 1995:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_1995

The other #1s were all crossovers by black artists.

However, 90s was more R&B than Hip-Hop. Then in the 2000s it became kinda equal between R&B and Hip-Hop. Now Hip-Hop is way bigger share of overall Urban than R&B.

[tanooki]

Mar 9, 2018 11:28:43 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Mar 9, 2018 10:56:59 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Country radio hasn’t sounded ‘country’ in years so not sure why anyone would be surprised “Meant to Be” is doing well there. Not much of Sam Hunt or Florida Georgia Line is ‘country,’ and certainly nothing about “The Fighter” was country.

Says who? You can even more easily claim that about any genre that changes over time. 

The Weeknd doesn't sound like R&B! Only Boyz II Men is R&B!

Migos don't sound like Hip-Hop! Only 2Pac is Hip-Hop!

Halsey isn't Alternative! Only Nirvana is Alternative!

Camila Cabello isn't Pop! She doesn't sound anything like Neil Sedeka!!

But you can still hear the most basic aspects of what makes up the genre. Migod and Tupac fall under hip hop, but they're different subgenres (trap vs West coast hip hop), so they'll sound somewhat different. It's the same for really any genre.

Meant to Be having a country artist featured doesn't make it a country song. Does Hayley Williams featuring on Airplanes make it a pop punk song? Does Young Thug being on Havana make it a trap song?

[rimetm]

Mar 9, 2018 14:19:14 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Mar 9, 2018 11:28:43 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Says who? You can even more easily claim that about any genre that changes over time. 

The Weeknd doesn't sound like R&B! Only Boyz II Men is R&B!

Migos don't sound like Hip-Hop! Only 2Pac is Hip-Hop!

Halsey isn't Alternative! Only Nirvana is Alternative!

Camila Cabello isn't Pop! She doesn't sound anything like Neil Sedeka!!

But you can still hear the most basic aspects of what makes up the genre. Migod and Tupac fall under hip hop, but they're different subgenres (trap vs West coast hip hop), so they'll sound somewhat different. It's the same for really any genre.

Meant to Be having a country artist featured doesn't make it a country song. Does Hayley Williams featuring on Airplanes make it a pop punk song? Does Young Thug being on Havana make it a trap song?

When Meant to Be sounds like said artist’s own H.O.L.Y. which was accepted as country, yes it does. The only difference is that the percussion is more pronounced and poppy, but the rest of it’s basically all there.

As a side note, Havana is trap-pop (emphasis on bass in the mix, beat focused on a staggered clap, minimalist use of the mix, all the checkboxes are ticked), so that example kinda backfired.

[tanooki]

Having clap and heavy bass doesn't automatically make your song a trap song. It has trap influence, but it's not trap. Saying Havana is specifically a trap song is more like saying Lose Yourself is a rock song. Having a guitar doesn't make your song rock, but the song does have those rock elements. Havana is a pop song with Latin and trap influences.