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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 22, 2018 7:38:38 GMT -5
This decade? Perhaps. Prior to that? Very doubtful. Especially in the prime years. This is up there with Mariah’s snl performance in early 90s: youtu.be/CrzWW4j5TgMNot with all of the strain present in her belting (zero support or resonance), lack of breath control, labored melisma, and weak lower register, it’s not.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 22, 2018 8:03:44 GMT -5
#1 Ariana Grande - No Tears Left To Cry (1.0000, light green) #2 Sugarland feat. Taylor Swift - Babe (0.4584, light red) #3 Avicii - Wake Me Up (0.3521, light green) #4 Bebe Rexha feat. Florida Georgia Line - Meant To Be (0.3301, white) #5 Drake - Nice For What (0.2651, dark green)
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Post by Choco on Apr 22, 2018 8:31:42 GMT -5
That 69k prediction is pretty sad. Top 10 debut is likely but there goes that #1 everyone wanted...
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Post by deepston on Apr 22, 2018 8:40:22 GMT -5
It could still trend upwards though and It's doing fantastic on YouTube and Spotify. She should release a vertical video or go to a show. At this point top 5 seems like on lock.
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Post by Choco on Apr 22, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
Sales are just really crappy for everyone right now, and the Pop audience hasn't yet fully migrated to streaming, which is why Pop acts are struggling on the Hot 100.
Ariana is actually one of the biggest Pop acts on Spotify, which is nice, so even if this doesn't go #1 I expect it to have nice longevity and a (probable) top 5 hit is nothing to complain about (like, how "Side to Side" is probably pretty close to being her biggest hit despite peaking at #4).
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 22, 2018 9:15:43 GMT -5
I am constantly amazed by how much sales have collapsed in the last few years. Like, it really was not that long ago that we were seeing record sales and it was normal for the #1 song to be pounding 100 or even 200K per week and huge debuts were in the 300+ range. 69K for Ariana is shockingly low, but it isn't about her really. I guess sales are just dying in favor of streaming. I heard a rumor that Itunes may even limit their sales/store and I am like, ugggg, I haven't fully moved to streaming yet give me more time to adjust I am oldddd lol.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 22, 2018 9:34:48 GMT -5
I am very impressed with its Spotify hold, I was afraid that it would collapse there. I expected a bit more from it on radio but at the same time I am not that surprised. Even friends of mine who are huge Ariana fans are saying the song is actually a bit polarzing because it isn’t what anyone expected, it takes a bit to get into to. I believe because of this it will take a while before we see huge Ariana radio gains. I can’t tell if I am surprised by 69K. I am because Can’t Stop The Feeling less than two years ago started with a much, much higher figure. But sadly that’s just how sales are now. As long as streaming makes up for it I don’t mind. It is crazy to think though that she is selling twice the amount of the next song..
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Post by deepston on Apr 22, 2018 9:41:53 GMT -5
I don't think we should be worried about airplay that much. I believe her radio deals started today (?) and she hasn't had much promotion on radio before, the only deal I believe it had was yesterday when stations were playing this 2x an hour. Second day streaming numbers aren't that bad, it might stabilise in the top 5 on Spotify which is great for a female dance song. YouTube numbers were actually higher yesterday than on the debut day!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 9:55:12 GMT -5
Ariana can compete with Mariah vocally imo :kii: Ariana’s voice is amazing and I’ll admit she could outsing current Mariah, but she ain’t even close to 90s Mariah (at least not for me). Meanwhile, I’m obsessed with this song. Tied with Into You as my favorite from her ever, but might surpass it.
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Post by Landmarx on Apr 22, 2018 11:19:29 GMT -5
Song is 8/10. I’m digging it.
Thoughts on the video, though - she looks like Nicki Minaj in certain spots, and her little dance among the umbrella people reminded me of some of the ladies I saw this weekend drunkenly dancing to buskers at the farmers market.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 22, 2018 11:20:08 GMT -5
Even .69 isn't enough for a highly anticipate single to get people to buy music again. But what matters here is not chart placement for one single, but longevity for this new era. It's off to a very promising start.
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Post by deepston on Apr 22, 2018 11:23:24 GMT -5
I'm inclined to say this is the best Max Martin work in years. I love how she didn't chase trends, reputation and Witness' choruses were very underwhelming but she decided to turn things upside down with this catchy and powerful chorus!
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 22, 2018 11:49:59 GMT -5
Even .69 isn't enough for a highly anticipate single to get people to buy music again. But what matters here is not chart placement for one single, but longevity for this new era. It's off to a very promising start. Won't catch Drake for #1 in its first few weeks but, if it has good longevity, it could sneak a week at #1 like Havana did.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 22, 2018 13:10:03 GMT -5
Do we know if she has any scheduled promo for this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 13:22:23 GMT -5
Do we know if she has any scheduled promo for this? I don't think so but since she's under Scooter They'll likely take care of it I'm expecting her to probably at least be on Fallon, maybe Ellen, and I can definitely see her performing at the upcoming BBMA's She usually does plenty of promo appearances for singles Especially from Dangerous Woman to Side To Side
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Post by musicbuff26 on Apr 22, 2018 13:38:12 GMT -5
Really liking this. Not quite “Into You” levels for me, but I also think that song is one of the best pop songs of the decade. Still mad that it only peaked at like 13 on H100.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 22, 2018 15:07:03 GMT -5
I still expect a No. 3 debut with that 69k sold, because Drake held #1 with even less sales. Plus streaming is holding up.
I'm hoping Ariana will be able to sneak a week in at #1 in between Post Malone and Drake's album bombs.
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 22, 2018 15:59:19 GMT -5
Really liking this. Not quite “Into You” levels for me, but I also think that song is one of the best pop songs of the decade. Still mad that it only peaked at like 13 on H100. I agree with you that Into you is her best song.This new song is really good too.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 22, 2018 16:50:24 GMT -5
Loved this on first listen and that chorus has been circling my head all day. Smash.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 17:29:02 GMT -5
I love everything about this except for the main hook. Grateful that she's serving us this big bombastic bop and not trying to be on-trend with a super lowkey chill song.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 22, 2018 17:29:39 GMT -5
30 million views on YouTube Behind the scenes video coming soon. Does anyone have its daily YouTube views?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 21:56:41 GMT -5
The single is fine and all good but I was hoping for something more important or bigger or shifting but it's all one blend of same level. It's not memorable for me to go back and keep revisit but nothing about is off putting. I like it enough if it comes on but I don't think I'll go out of the way to seek it out. Maybe it will continue to grow on me.
In hindsight Problems was a bop!
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Post by Leo ✔ on Apr 22, 2018 22:01:26 GMT -5
#51 on Hot AC with 105 spins.
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Post by allow that on Apr 22, 2018 22:02:12 GMT -5
I love this now. It may be my favorite single of hers already.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 23, 2018 2:55:58 GMT -5
#3 on Spotify globally so I guess we can say it's a streaming success (as expected)
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 23, 2018 4:47:12 GMT -5
You can buy the song on her website for $0.69 an unlimited amount of times. I am not sure what Billboard’s rules are for it but I have seen fans on Twitter by it ten times in one purchase, as well as making multiple purchases. I hope she can cross 100,000!
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 23, 2018 5:10:59 GMT -5
POP: -- 29 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 2365 0 2365 21.012
+360 Spins +360 Bullet +3.092 Audience
HOT AC: -- 49 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 138 0 138 1.087
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Post by Normi on Apr 23, 2018 5:13:26 GMT -5
Slay miss Top 30!
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Post by groovetheory on Apr 23, 2018 5:42:53 GMT -5
The overall vibe of the video reminds me of Kelis' Get Along With You video, especially this part Maybe its just a coincidence but it looks like an inspiration.
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Post by kanimal on Apr 23, 2018 8:28:01 GMT -5
These radio updates are really bad. +360 following a radio deal and massive sales/streaming??? It doesn't feel like the kind of polarising song that should be starting so slowly. I was expecting +600 all week. - The "radio deal" was for hourly first-day airplay on the iHeart networks. Doesn't guarantee big support in the subsequent days. In fact, many stations may be inclined to scale back their support since they gave it an unnatural amount of exposure on Friday. We see this happen with a lot of songs that receive hourly first day airplay -- the only ones that are generally immune are the super A-list singles (Taylor, Justin, etc). As an example, Calvin Harris & Dua Lipa's "One Kiss" only had a +131 (for 1446 total) on its first Monday. Shawn Mendes' "In My Blood" was also lower (and receiving smaller updates) at this point in its run. No, this probably isn't going to be one of those "Top 10 in its 2nd week" type songs. But I believe it's doing above average numbers for an "hourly first day" song. It's definitely not moving slowly.
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