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Post by .indulgecountry on May 9, 2018 18:52:34 GMT -5
And what part of "increasing in popularity" leads you to believe she cannot be a "superstar"? In the past 20 years, who is someone who became a global superstar based solely on making country music? Like it was mentioned above, her impact in other countries has continued to rise as has the presence of country music fans/popularity outside North America, while only releasing "country music" (though again a majority of her singles are pop-leaning and crossover friendly), so I'm not sure why it matters that someone else had to do it before her for it to be a possibility that she become a "global superstar"? There's no metric for measuring that so while I don't expect her to be getting #1 smashes on other countries charts or anything, even charting at all is an unusual victory for a country star. She's basically already been slowly building a global presence, so I don't see why it's such a stretch to envision. |
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Post by Jae on May 9, 2018 18:56:09 GMT -5
In the past 20 years, who is someone who became a global superstar based solely on making country music? Florida Georgia Line? |
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on May 9, 2018 19:30:10 GMT -5
In the past 20 years, who is someone who became a global superstar based solely on making country music? Florida Georgia Line? Luckily the rest of the world does not know the plague that we call Florida Georgia Line and hopefully it stays that way. (also they've made several non-country songs at this point) |
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Post by Ragin on May 9, 2018 19:44:18 GMT -5
There's a big difference between "increasing in popularity" and being a "superstar." And what part of "increasing in popularity" leads you to believe she cannot be a "superstar"? She's already a superstar. I just take issue with the notion that she could be a global superstar. MOST artists that are successful have some level of success overseas as well, but it doesn't make them global superstars. Maybe her label has a good plan and has an avenue, I'm just skeptical. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 9, 2018 20:21:20 GMT -5
In the past 20 years, who is someone who became a global superstar based solely on making country music? Like it was mentioned above, her impact in other countries has continued to rise as has the presence of country music fans/popularity outside North America, while only releasing "country music" (though again a majority of her singles are pop-leaning and crossover friendly), so I'm not sure why it matters that someone else had to do it before her for it to be a possibility that she become a "global superstar"? There's no metric for measuring that so while I don't expect her to be getting #1 smashes on other countries charts or anything, even charting at all is an unusual victory for a country star. She's basically already been slowly building a global presence, so I don't see why it's such a stretch to envision. Frankly I don't buy the argument that country music is "rising" outside North America. Garth Brooks had albums certified in the UK/Ireland and Australia in the 90s (and made the UK albums chart). He charted in other countries, too, and that was with country music. Dixie Chicks have multiple albums certified in both Australia and the UK and charted in other territories with Taking the Long Way. Keith Urban has long charted in Australia and had certified albums (and has also charted in Ireland). Faith Hill's Breathe charted in several countries outside of North America (though perhaps with remixed versions?). She then had an international hits set for the UK and Australia. Cry charted in many countries, too. In other words, what has happened in the last 5 years for country music outside the U.S. that hadn't happened in the 90s and 00s? It seems to me certain artists are basically repeating things that already happened, not breaking ground. |
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Post by Jae on May 9, 2018 20:32:32 GMT -5
Luckily the rest of the world does not know the plague that we call Florida Georgia Line and hopefully it stays that way. (also they've made several non-country songs at this point)You know, I think you might be on to something. Their music might make a fine enhanced interrogation technique -- terrorists the world over would be surrendering in droves. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 9, 2018 20:41:50 GMT -5
In the past 20 years, who is someone who became a global superstar based solely on making country music? Florida Georgia Line? "Cruise" had a very mild international presence (charted in 5 non-US territories, but not higher than #30 anywhere and no certifications). "HOLY" peaked in the 90s in Australia. "Meant to Be" has done well, but not sure how you want to count it. "Body Like A Back Road" has done well internationally for a country song, mostly in Australia (which as I've said, is a place multiple country artists have done well). So, again, not seeing where country music is on the rise internationally. |
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Post by Jae on May 9, 2018 21:20:12 GMT -5
"Cruise" had a very mild international presence (charted in 5 non-US territories, but not higher than #30 anywhere and no certifications). "HOLY" peaked in the 90s in Australia. "Meant to Be" has done well, but not sure how you want to count it. "Body Like A Back Road" has done well internationally for a country song, mostly in Australia (which as I've said, is a place multiple country artists have done well). So, again, not seeing where country music is on the rise internationally. Sorry, Jenglisbe, I was just being a smart ass. Florida Georgia line is a pox on the galaxy. But I do agree with you. Other than little flare ups here and there, I don't see any evidence that country music artists -- unless those artists remix for pop and really, can be essentially seen as pop by those outside the US -- are pushing the line graph steadily and consistently upwards. I agree with others that Carrie is increasing her exposure in some European markets but that does not qualify her as an "international superstar". I think she has the voice and the look to achieve that, but not the catalogue. And at 35, when the world likes their female music superstars fresh and nubile, she's on borrowed time. |
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 10, 2018 6:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by bigfan101 on May 10, 2018 9:02:38 GMT -5
First sit down after the fall with Hoda:
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 10, 2018 9:21:39 GMT -5
Except "Smoke Break" was actually 2015, not 2014. They got it correct in the article, but the headline is wrong.
It would also be nice to see Carrie get another #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart. She hasn't done that since "Something in the Water" in 2014.
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Post by Ragin on May 10, 2018 9:25:48 GMT -5
Nice, thanks for sharing.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 10, 2018 10:03:53 GMT -5
Except "Smoke Break" was actually 2015, not 2014. They got it correct in the article, but the headline is wrong.
It would also be nice to see Carrie get another #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart. She hasn't done that since "Something in the Water" in 2014.
If she does do that this era this won’t be the song to do it. I love it but its streaming is nothing to brag about. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 10, 2018 12:41:09 GMT -5
Carrie’s best streaming moments have been with live performances. She needs to find a way to have a live performance count toward her chart streaming.
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Post by tryexp on May 10, 2018 13:59:54 GMT -5
Carrie’s best streaming moments have been with live performances. She needs to find a way to have a live performance count toward her chart streaming. If they make it available on spotify wouldn't that count? Like a "remix" of the song would normally count? Just asking because ACM's version of Church Bells is one of my favourites ever |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 10, 2018 14:03:16 GMT -5
Carrie’s best streaming moments have been with live performances. She needs to find a way to have a live performance count toward her chart streaming. If they make it available on spotify wouldn't that count? Like a "remix" of the song would normally count? Just asking because ACM's version of Church Bells is one of my favourites ever I‘d think it would. A lot of the awards shows don’t seem to make things easily available, though, and certainly not right away which is when artists can capitalize. |
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Post by tryexp on May 10, 2018 14:16:11 GMT -5
If they make it available on spotify wouldn't that count? Like a "remix" of the song would normally count? Just asking because ACM's version of Church Bells is one of my favourites ever I‘d think it would. A lot of the awards shows don’t seem to make things easily available, though, and certainly not right away which is when artists can capitalize. Well I can believe that less known artists might struggle, but I can't think of a reason why, if Carrie's team asked, the CMTs, ACMs, CMAs, etc wouldn't just give them the rights. Also with Carrie minimal post production is necessary.
I seem to remember a "I Knew You Were Trouble" live version at Brit Awards on spotify at some point, and fairly soon after the awards aired. Did I make that up? Anyone remembers anything like this?
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Post by musicfix18 on May 10, 2018 14:21:48 GMT -5
Carrie’s best streaming moments have been with live performances. She needs to find a way to have a live performance count toward her chart streaming. I don't know much about streaming, but the video views on Youtube would certainly help, right? As for this song, initially I was concerned because it wasn't behaving like a typical lead single (meteoric rise up the chart for 4-5 weeks, probably stall in the lower regions of the top 10 for 4-5 weeks, then blaze again at the top for 4-5 weeks). However, I think this song has a lot of new factors going in its favor. It is the definition of a grower. Carrie sings the hell out of it, and if it is performed at the right live venue, I think the song/performance really could go viral. American Idol is not that venue though. Her team has to get its shit together, though, and capitalize on her performances. The hours it took for the ACM video to become available was inexcusable IMO. All in all, I'm thrilled that this is her lead single because it introduces a new side to Carrie to the GP. Of course, I'm still hoping there are some undeniable smashes on the album ala BHC, BA, CB, etc...because I need new workout material, but we will see :) |
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Post by Troublemaker on May 10, 2018 14:23:53 GMT -5
Carrie’s best streaming moments have been with live performances. She needs to find a way to have a live performance count toward her chart streaming. If they make it available on spotify wouldn't that count? Like a "remix" of the song would normally count? Just asking because ACM's version of Church Bells is one of my favourites ever Memories, who can forget  I‘d think it would. A lot of the awards shows don’t seem to make things easily available, though, and certainly not right away which is when artists can capitalize. Well I can believe that less known artists might struggle, but I can't think of a reason why, if Carrie's team asked, the CMTs, ACMs, CMAs, etc wouldn't just give them the rights. Also with Carrie minimal post production is necessary.
I seem to remember a "I Knew You Were Trouble" live version at Brit Awards on spotify at some point, and fairly soon after the awards aired. Did I make that up? Anyone remembers anything like this?
Brit Awards tend to release live performances for streaming (as they did this year) so you might be right |
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Post by GivesYouHell on May 10, 2018 15:30:27 GMT -5
Shania was a country star. Shania was a global star. If you really want to split hairs that Shania wasn't a, "global country music star," then so be it, but that is REALLY splitting hairs. No it’s not, considering the context. The discussion was about whether there are global country stars and whether country music is big in the global market. Shania was brought up as an example of a global country music star, but she didn’t achieve that status with country music. The point being Carrie isn’t going to be a global star if she only makes country music because there isn’t a big international market for country music. I don’t see how that’s splitting hairs. I'm British and lived in Barbados, Shania is known in both places as a country artist. Yes, she remixed her songs to make them more Pop for audiences/radios but in my experience she's still not looked as someone who's completely Pop. Throughout the years when country music has been brought up I've heard people say stuff like "the only country artist I like is Shania Twain" so I don't think it's fair to exclude her as an example. Anyway Shania's global peak is untouchable for most pop artists let alone another country artist but I think Carrie has a chance at doing well outside the U.S and would like to see it happen. I actually remember Before He Cheats and Carrie being kinda popular in Barbados through American Idol and they tend to play a lot of the biggest American hits. |
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Post by trustypepper on May 10, 2018 21:57:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Carrie will be the guest mentor on this week's American Idol episode and she will also be performing "Cry Pretty."
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Post by classiccountryfan on May 11, 2018 22:00:20 GMT -5
Carrie performed Cry Pretty on tonight’s Opry. It’s her 10th anniversary as an Opry member. She had an entire half hour segment. She also sang Church Bells, Jesus Take the Wheel, I Told You So, and Something In the Water. There was also a video tribute, and Randy Travis (who invited her to become a member) was present. I was listening on the radio so I don’t know how he looked, but it sounded like his wife was assisting him. There were two shows tonight and I only listened to the first, so I don’t know what she sang during the second show.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on May 14, 2018 10:35:46 GMT -5
“See You Again” was performed at the beginning of American Idol, and contestants performed “Flat On the Floor,” “I Told You So,” “So Small,” “Last Name,” and “Undo It.” Of course, this was performed and it has already seen a nice sales boost.
Also yes at that 1,000,000+ audience update!
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Post by musicfan134 on May 14, 2018 14:28:21 GMT -5
Love the Carnival Ride love!
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Post by jenglisbe on May 15, 2018 13:13:28 GMT -5
Digital Songs run:
Week 1 (1 day of sales) - #15 with 21,000 sold
Week 2 - #1 with 54,000 sold
Week 3 - #24
Week 4 - not in top 50
Week 5 - #38
Its streams on YouTube are pretty bad. The video has been out for over a week and hasn't even gotten to 3 million views.
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Post by Unhinged on May 15, 2018 15:14:25 GMT -5
I want to like this but it just doesn’t do much for me. Hoping for a better second single.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 20:05:09 GMT -5
Its streams on YouTube are pretty bad. The video has been out for over a week and hasn't even gotten to 3 million views. The song is pretty great, but the video is so boring, so I assume other people might think the same and are not re-watching it that much. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 15, 2018 20:10:08 GMT -5
Its streams on YouTube are pretty bad. The video has been out for over a week and hasn't even gotten to 3 million views. The song is pretty great, but the video is so boring, so I assume other people might think the same and are not re-watching it that much. A strong video helps, but a lot of YT streaming is just about the song (see how lyric videos of popular songs can get millions of streams). Plus, "Cry Pretty" isn't doing well in audio streaming either. It isn't in the top 25 of Country Streaming Songs. |
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Post by collinkottke on May 16, 2018 12:43:24 GMT -5
Don't have a clue if anything should be read into the Music Video charts on iTunes, but I was surprised to see that "Cry Pretty" is currently #2 on the overall video chart. Only behind Childish Gambino's "This Is America".
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Post by Sugar Rush on May 16, 2018 16:52:06 GMT -5
The song is pretty great, but the video is so boring, so I assume other people might think the same and are not re-watching it that much. A strong video helps, but a lot of YT streaming is just about the song (see how lyric videos of popular songs can get millions of streams). Plus, "Cry Pretty" isn't doing well in audio streaming either. It isn't in the top 25 of Country Streaming Songs. It's a shame that Carrie is so weak on streaming, but in all honesty it isn't a genre specific thing it seems that a lot of females that debuted in the 2000s just cannot adapt with the streaming era. On one hand, it shows the blatant sexism that is apparent across all genres - but it also shows that her new team really is not focusing where they need to right now. Sales are decent(ish) and she's doing stellar on radio, but unfortunately without streaming she won't peak that high on the overall charts. Even browsing through the country playlists on Spotify it doesn't appear that she's on many of the more popular playlists yet I see 'Heaven' and 'Tequila' on almost every single one. At this point in her career though, she has nothing left to prove though and I am starting to think this era is meant to be her 'Lemonade', as you call it, where she explores her more artistic side. I love 'Cry Pretty' and think it is her most personable and vulnerable song she's released since 'Good in Goodbye' but it does not have the hook factor that the biggest country hits on radio right now have. It's almost like I'd prefer listening to this song to appreciate the lyrics, her emotion and where she's coming from personally - not to roll my windows down and blast it on the radio as I drive down the busiest street in the city. It isn't a bad thing, but I think it's one of those songs that requires a lot more thinking and background information on Carrie's career to truly appreciate. |
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