Billboard Hot 100: 5/19/2018

[Sherane Lamar]

May 11, 2018 20:06:25 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

May 11, 2018 19:49:32 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

I believe it had zero sales or radio play. 

Yes. It certainly would have been a lot higher if it had better availability. But that doesn't have anything to do with Childish Gambino's "This Is America". 

Not sure why “TIA” was mentioned there. My whole reply to you was addressing you saying it’s a fact “Formation” wasn’t as popular as the #100 song that week. I was saying it didn’t even have the same opportunity was most songs due to its limited availability in terms of chart information, so no, it wasn’t a “fact” that is wasn’t as popular. It’s more that its popularity wasn’t properly measured, certainly not in the way the Hot 100 was tabulated.

"Formation" was brought up because somebody said that "This Is America" debuting at #1 proves that Beyonce's song could debut at #1. 

I will admit this: If as many people listened to "Formation" the week it came out as are listening to "This Is America" this week, then yes, it probably would have went #1. 

But this could be said for literally any song. 

[jenglisbe]

May 11, 2018 20:12:44 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

May 11, 2018 20:06:25 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Not sure why “TIA” was mentioned there. My whole reply to you was addressing you saying it’s a fact “Formation” wasn’t as popular as the #100 song that week. I was saying it didn’t even have the same opportunity was most songs due to its limited availability in terms of chart information, so no, it wasn’t a “fact” that is wasn’t as popular. It’s more that its popularity wasn’t properly measured, certainly not in the way the Hot 100 was tabulated.

"Formation" was brought up because somebody said that "This Is America" debuting at #1 proves that Beyonce's song could debut at #1. 

I will admit this: If as many people listened to "Formation" the week it came out as are listening to "This Is America" this week, then yes, it probably would have went #1. 

But this could be said for literally any song. 

But not “any song” had the same coverage combined with lack of accurate chart metrics as “Formation.” “Formation” most certainly had more media coverage than whatever was #100 (one #93) that week on the Hot 100. It also wasn’t available for sale, whereas most other charting songs were that week. It also didn’t have easily counted YouTube views, nor was it available on Spotify. Those factors didn’t apply to “literally any song.” Again, whether or not it would have been #1 is only part of the discussion. The point is more that it wasn’t available in traditional means, nor was it able to be counted by Billboard in most metrics.

[Sherane Lamar]

May 11, 2018 20:06:47 GMT -5 Gary said:

May 11, 2018 19:57:33 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Including collaborative songs, yeah. Because Carly Rae Jepsen peaked at #39 with "Really Like You" and was included on Owl City's "Good Time". 

Carly Rae Jepsen probably comes closest to debunking these claims right? Since her other Top 40 was so small. And since the other song she was on was as a secondary artist? 

What other female artists went #1 in the soundscan era and ended up having a small or short career? Iggy Azalea comes to mind. But I think she's been on a handful of Top 40 tracks. 


Are we really going to go from a Beyonce discussion to a Carly Rae discussion?  

Is a "career" - either short or long defined by hitting top 40 on the Hot 100?


The classic example of having only really ONE "hit" on the Hot 100-top 40 but still coming out with a fairly lucrative career would be Garth Brooks

Among females with only one #1 song, since the start of the Soundscan era, which ones have had the strongest and weakest overall Hot 100 presence as a primary artist? 

Also, which of them have the highest percentage of their Hot 100 points coming from the #1 song. 

I'm sure that Carly Rae Jepsen would be the weakest overall. And would probably have the highest percentage of her points coming from "Call Me Maybe". Unless there is somebody else that I am forgetting. 

[Keelzit]

Wondering if Gambino's song will have longevity after the video hype wears off. It has a very current and strong message so I hope it won't be seen as a novelty song/video after it ends its run eventhough I don't particularly like it at all.

[filthy]

Well, it is holding up strongly on Spotify streams, and currently has 8m airplay audience, which can only be growing. I don't see it fall too much on iTunes/sales, and he can always discount it.

[Golden Bluebird]

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*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/05/12
1. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (172.345) (-2.331)
2. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (167.213) (+0.284)
3. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (156.261) (+0.838)
4. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (154.607) (+0.915)
5. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (117.834) (+0.602)
6. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (113.608) (-0.701)
7. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (109.881) (-1.466)
8. (=) DRAKE - Nice For What (96.078) (+2.176)
9. (=) POST MALONE - Psycho f/Ty Dolla $ign (94.428) (+1.896)
10. (=) MAROON 5 - Wait (91.852) (-0.100)
11. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (90.934) (-0.891)
12. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (90.784) (-0.988)
13. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (80.456) (-0.660)
14. (+1) BAZZI - Mine (80.032) (+0.373)
15. (-1) BLOCBOY JB - Look Alive f/Drake (79.258) (-0.552)
16. (=) SHAWN MENDES - In My Blood (77.102) (+0.383)
17. (=) KANE BROWN - Heaven (73.271) (+0.621)
18. (=) JASON ALDEAN - You Make It Easy (70.994) (-1.326)
19. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (70.550) (-0.830)
20. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (66.147) (-0.230)

Outside the Top 20:
21. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - No Tears Left To Cry (62.808) (+1.140)
25. (=) TAYLOR SWIFT - Delicate (57.610) (+1.254)
50. (+1) DAN + SHAY - Tequila (36.706) (+1.246)
52. (+2) CHARLIE PUTH - Done For Me f/Kehlani (36.117) (+1.369)

[Mayman]

Why is God's Plan still gaining? I thought it peaked on Rhy, Urban, and Pop?

[J. Rob]

May 11, 2018 20:06:47 GMT -5 Gary said:

May 11, 2018 19:57:33 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Including collaborative songs, yeah. Because Carly Rae Jepsen peaked at #39 with "Really Like You" and was included on Owl City's "Good Time". 

Carly Rae Jepsen probably comes closest to debunking these claims right? Since her other Top 40 was so small. And since the other song she was on was as a secondary artist? 

What other female artists went #1 in the soundscan era and ended up having a small or short career? Iggy Azalea comes to mind. But I think she's been on a handful of Top 40 tracks. 


Are we really going to go from a Beyonce discussion to a Carly Rae discussion?  

Is a "career" - either short or long defined by hitting top 40 on the Hot 100?


The classic example of having only really ONE "hit" on the Hot 100-top 40 but still coming out with a fairly lucrative career would be Garth Brooks

Right.

I know Regina Belle isn't exactly a household name, but she was a pretty sucessful R&B singer during the late 80s and early 90s. Calling her a one hit wonder is quite insulting....borderline ridiculous

[kcdawg13]

Feel It Still clinging onto the Top 20

[Gary]

Lots of examples of R&B hits in the 80s that did not hit the top 40 on the Hot 100 that would have today under the current system

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

The Middle could be #1 in Radio Songs this week.

[thelegends]

Get ready for a mini album bomb from Juice WRLD, 2 songs debuting this week, namely "All Girls Are The Same" and "Lucid Dreams".

[Gary]

2 songs? Is more like snap crackle and pop rather than a “bomb”

[jenglisbe]

May 12, 2018 13:39:37 GMT -5 Gary said:

Lots of examples of R&B hits in the 80s that did not hit the top 40 on the Hot 100 that would have today under the current system

Yes, and isn’t one of them “Thinking About You” by Whitney Houston, which would have been during her streak of 7 #1s had it charted?

[Sherane Lamar]

May 12, 2018 3:28:46 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Wondering if Gambino's song will have longevity after the video hype wears off. It has a very current and strong message so I hope it won't be seen as a novelty song/video after it ends its run eventhough I don't particularly like it at all.

I think it'll have limited longevity, and Drake will return to #1 the week after it debuts.

[Deleted]

May 12, 2018 16:00:05 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

May 12, 2018 3:28:46 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Wondering if Gambino's song will have longevity after the video hype wears off. It has a very current and strong message so I hope it won't be seen as a novelty song/video after it ends its run eventhough I don't particularly like it at all.

I think it'll have limited longevity, and Drake will return to #1 the week after it debuts.

God forbid
Drake spent enough time at the top

This Is America >>>>>>>> Nice For What & Gods Plan

[jenglisbe]

May 12, 2018 16:00:05 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

May 12, 2018 3:28:46 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Wondering if Gambino's song will have longevity after the video hype wears off. It has a very current and strong message so I hope it won't be seen as a novelty song/video after it ends its run eventhough I don't particularly like it at all.

I think it'll have limited longevity, and Drake will return to #1 the week after it debuts.

Probably. We've also seen, though, where once a song falls from #1, it kills its momentum. "NFW" will probably return to #1, but it will have weakened and opened the door for new songs.

Along with that, "TIA" was ahead of "NFW" at Spotify and iTunes for the first day of the chart week. It could challenge for another week at #1 if it holds up ok.

[willapted33]

is Lucid Dreams actually debuting ?

[jazmyn]

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8455594/paul-anka-drake-collaboration-june

On the topic of Drake at number 1, if this Paul Anka collaboration is the third single from Scorpion and is released before the album drops, assuming it goes number 1(very good possibility if the above is true), will Anka be the oldest artist to be at number 1? I think that would be pretty awesome.

[renaboss]

^^So excited about that possibility.

[garrettlen]

May 12, 2018 17:57:17 GMT -5 jazmyn said:

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8455594/paul-anka-drake-collaboration-june

On the topic of Drake at number 1, if this Paul Anka collaboration is the third single from Scorpion and is released before the album drops, assuming it goes number 1(very good possibility if the above is true), will Anka be the oldest artist to be at number 1? I think that would be pretty awesome.

Yes he would.  Louis Armstrong (the current record holder) was 62 when his version of "Hello Dolly" went to #1 in 1964.

[Gary]

And if it doesn't hit #1, the other age records

#1 Louis Armstrong 62
Top 10 Paul McCartney 72
Top 40 Mom's Mabley 75
Hot 100 Fred Stobaugh 97

[85la]

May 12, 2018 14:34:41 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

May 12, 2018 13:39:37 GMT -5 Gary said:

Lots of examples of R&B hits in the 80s that did not hit the top 40 on the Hot 100 that would have today under the current system

Yes, and isn’t one of them “Thinking About You” by Whitney Houston, which would have been during her streak of 7 #1s had it charted?

I've always wondered about the "Thinking About You" situation, and how it related to her string of 7 #1's. There isn't much information on it, and for a while I doubted if it was even a single. Just reading the Wikipedia article on it now, however, it indeed was a single:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_About_You_(Whitney_Houston_song)

"Thinking About You" is a 1985 R&B/Soul song by American singer
Whitney Houston released on January 11, 1985. It was the second single
released from Houston's self-titled debut album Whitney Houston. Even
though it was not promoted as a single to Top 40 radio stations it was a
top 10 R&B hit [in December 1985]. It appeared as the B-side to
Houston's 1986 single, "Greatest Love of All."



So it wasn't promoted to Top 40, and back then the Hot 100's radio panel only consisted of Top 40 stations, so if the rules back then incorporated R&B play I suppose it might have charted, but that's probably a stretch, especially since its R&B audience and sales were probably pretty low compared to other songs on the Hot 100.

The song has also been cited as being released in the middle of her 7 #1's streak, thus not giving her a "true" streak because not all of her singles commercially released during that span reached #1, just the ones that charted on the Hot 100, but according to the above article, this was not the case, as it lists the release date as Jan. 11, 1985 (even though it didn't chart on the R&B chart until September and the top ten until December). If Thinking About You did chart on the Hot 100 around December, oddly it would have interrupted the "charting streak" of consecutive #1's, but not the "chronological commercial release streak," since the single was released back in January, many months before the first of the 7 #1's, Saving All My Love For You, was released. But TAY didn't chart on the Hot 100 and probably wouldn't have even given different rules, so all that is a moot point. Thus, Whitney does seem to hold the true, ultimate record of 7 consecutive #1's on the Hot 100, both in terms of charting hits and chronological commercial releases.

[jenglisbe]

May 12, 2018 22:46:39 GMT -5 85la said:

May 12, 2018 14:34:41 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Yes, and isn’t one of them “Thinking About You” by Whitney Houston, which would have been during her streak of 7 #1s had it charted?

I've always wondered about the "Thinking About You" situation, and how it related to her string of 7 #1's. There isn't much information on it, and for a while I doubted if it was even a single. Just reading the Wikipedia article on it now, however, it indeed was a single:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_About_You_(Whitney_Houston_song)

"Thinking About You" is a 1985 R&B/Soul song by American singer
Whitney Houston released on January 11, 1985. It was the second single
released from Houston's self-titled debut album Whitney Houston. Even
though it was not promoted as a single to Top 40 radio stations it was a
top 10 R&B hit [in December 1985]. It appeared as the B-side to
Houston's 1986 single, "Greatest Love of All."



So it wasn't promoted to Top 40, and back then the Hot 100's radio panel only consisted of Top 40 stations, so if the rules back then incorporated R&B play I suppose it might have charted, but that's probably a stretch, especially since its R&B audience and sales were probably pretty low compared to other songs on the Hot 100.

The song has also been cited as being released in the middle of her 7 #1's streak, thus not giving her a "true" streak because not all of her singles commercially released during that span reached #1, just the ones that charted on the Hot 100, but according to the above article, this was not the case, as it lists the release date as Jan. 11, 1985 (even though it didn't chart on the R&B chart until September and the top ten until December). If Thinking About You did chart on the Hot 100 around December, oddly it would have interrupted the "charting streak" of consecutive #1's, but not the "chronological commercial release streak," since the single was released back in January, many months before the first of the 7 #1's, Saving All My Love For You, was released. But TAY didn't chart on the Hot 100 and probably wouldn't have even given different rules, so all that is a moot point. Thus, Whitney does seem to hold the true, ultimate record of 7 consecutive #1's on the Hot 100, both in terms of charting hits and chronological commercial releases.

For me the question is more; was it eligible to chart on the Hot 100 and didn't have enough chart points to make it (which seems likely or else it wouldn't have charted R&B), or was it not eligible for the Hot 100?

[rainie]

May 11, 2018 20:20:28 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

May 11, 2018 20:06:47 GMT -5 Gary said:

Is a "career" - either short or long defined by hitting top 40 on the Hot 100?


The classic example of having only really ONE "hit" on the Hot 100-top 40 but still coming out with a fairly lucrative career would be Garth Brooks

Among females with only one #1 song, since the start of the Soundscan era, which ones have had the strongest and weakest overall Hot 100 presence as a primary artist? 

Also, which of them have the highest percentage of their Hot 100 points coming from the #1 song. 

I'm sure that Carly Rae Jepsen would be the weakest overall. And would probably have the highest percentage of her points coming from "Call Me Maybe". Unless there is somebody else that I am forgetting. 

Fantasia? Not only was I Believe the weakest #1 of the Soundscan era, I believe (haha) it was her only charting song period.

[Sherane Lamar]

May 13, 2018 0:51:41 GMT -5 rainie said:

May 11, 2018 20:20:28 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Among females with only one #1 song, since the start of the Soundscan era, which ones have had the strongest and weakest overall Hot 100 presence as a primary artist? 

Also, which of them have the highest percentage of their Hot 100 points coming from the #1 song. 

I'm sure that Carly Rae Jepsen would be the weakest overall. And would probably have the highest percentage of her points coming from "Call Me Maybe". Unless there is somebody else that I am forgetting. 

Fantasia? Not only was I Believe the weakest #1 of the Soundscan era, I believe (haha) it was her only charting song period.

That would disprove this guys claim about no female one hit wonders going #1. 

But no, Fantasia has 7 charting songs. Including three Top 40 hits. 

Just glancing at this Hot 100 database, I figure "Truth Is", "Free Yourself" and "When I See U" were probably all bigger than her brief #1 hit. 

But I could imagine her being among the weakest one-time female #1s. 

[iHype.]

Avicii's passing chart boost went away pretty quickly.

His album 'True' falls from #22 to #126. #1 to #30 on Catalog Albums.

I guess him passing away right at the start of last tracking week, instead of mid-week like most unexpected deaths, had a bit to do with the boost waning quickly by week 2.

[velaxti]

May 13, 2018 1:26:56 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Avicii's passing chart boost went away pretty quickly.

His album 'True' falls from #22 to #126. #1 to #30 on Catalog Albums.

I guess him passing away right at the start of last tracking week, instead of mid-week like most unexpected deaths, had a bit to do with the boost waning quickly by week 2.

In some countries more than others though. His songs are all still so high in Sweden!

[#LisaRinna]

All these Beyoncé detractors amuse me.

[Golden Bluebird]

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*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/05/13
1. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (170.253) (-2.092)
2. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (166.941) (-0.272)
3. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (156.342) (+0.081)
4. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (154.788) (+0.181)
5. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (119.192) (+1.358)
6. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (113.148) (-0.460)
7. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (108.327) (-1.554)
8. (=) DRAKE - Nice For What (97.682) (+1.604)
9. (=) POST MALONE - Psycho f/Ty Dolla $ign (95.416) (+0.988)
10. (=) MAROON 5 - Wait (91.599) (-0.253)
11. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (89.915) (-1.019)
12. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (89.124) (-1.660)
13. (+1) BAZZI - Mine (80.389) (+0.357)
14. (-1) MAX - Lights Down Low (80.258) (-0.198)
15. (=) BLOCBOY JB - Look Alive f/Drake (78.320) (-0.938)
16. (=) SHAWN MENDES - In My Blood (78.211) (+1.109)
17. (=) KANE BROWN - Heaven (74.264) (+0.993)
18. (+1) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (70.113) (-0.437)
19. (-1) JASON ALDEAN - You Make It Easy (69.846) (-1.148)
20. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (65.851) (-0.296)

Outside the Top 20:
21. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - No Tears Left To Cry (64.247) (+1.439)
22. (=) LUKE COMBS - One Number Away (61.818) (+1.366)
23. (=) DARIUS RUCKER - For The First Time (61.306) (+1.056)
51. (+1) CHARLIE PUTH - Done For Me f/Kehlani (37.152) (+1.035)