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Post by Live Your Life on May 15, 2018 14:58:26 GMT -5
In my opinion, Beyoncé is the only artist, since the turn of the millennium, that epitomizes everything that we call other artists legends for. The only other person that I feel was even remotely close to her was Justin Timberlake, particularly around the release of the first part of The 20/20 Experience. However, he and his team have made some bad business and artistic decisions over the past 5 years or so that has knocked him down in the ranking. I guess the next person I get that "feeling" from is Rihanna, but she even still has some ways to go.
I do agree that there will never be a general consensus of what a legend is again. It might be easier to try and specify artists that are legends in their particular field/genre, but even that's a crapshoot.
But to answer the original question presented in this topic: No, I don't consider P!nk a legend. I don't think I even consider her a pop legend. But she definitely is immensely talented and should be recognized for her longevity in the business, especially when you consider how faceless and generic the music on her debut album was.
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Post by Unhinged on May 15, 2018 15:04:59 GMT -5
LMAO at Taylor and Beyonce legends. They aren't even in their 40s yet! What the hell Why does age matter? MJ, Madonna, Prince and The Beatles were all legends before they were 40.
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Post by leonagwen on May 15, 2018 15:21:48 GMT -5
LMAO at Taylor and Beyonce legends. They aren't even in their 40s yet! What the hell Why does age matter? MJ, Madonna, Prince and The Beatles were all legends before they were 40. Michael was a legend before he was 20
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 15:47:59 GMT -5
Legend, no. Icon, sure. Seems simple enough to me.
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Post by newpower on May 15, 2018 16:21:49 GMT -5
Only a few legends every decade: 70s : Bowie, Elton, Donna Summer, Led Zepp 80s : Michael, Prince, Madonna 90s : Whitney, Mariah, Celine, Janet
00s, 10s, too soon to tell.
By the way, is Kanye a legend?
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Post by when the pawn... on May 15, 2018 17:09:23 GMT -5
Only a few legends every decade: 70s : Bowie, Elton, Donna Summer, Led Zepp 80s : Michael, Prince, Madonna 90s : Whitney, Mariah, Celine, Janet 00s, 10s, too soon to tell. By the way, is Kanye a legend?Yes, or he "will be". God only knows what he is doing right now and his upcoming albums seem like they might suuuuck but IMO, the combined power of his first 6 solo albums + Watch the Throne is enough. He is the most acclaimed artist of the millennium and has impacted hip hop (and by extension, pop music) a LOT.
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Post by leonagwen on May 15, 2018 17:57:11 GMT -5
Only a few legends every decade: 70s : Bowie, Elton, Donna Summer, Led Zepp 80s : Michael, Prince, Madonna 90s : Whitney, Mariah, Celine, Janet 00s, 10s, too soon to tell. By the way, is Kanye a legend? I think Queen is missing from your 70's legends, otherwise that's a good list.
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Post by garrettlen on May 15, 2018 18:13:08 GMT -5
Pink is very talented and very popular but a legend? No, I don't think so.
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Post by garrettlen on May 15, 2018 18:22:51 GMT -5
Only a few legends every decade: 70s : Bowie, Elton, Donna Summer, Led Zepp 80s : Michael, Prince, Madonna 90s : Whitney, Mariah, Celine, Janet 00s, 10s, too soon to tell. By the way, is Kanye a legend? 50s: Elvis Presley 60s: The Beatles
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Post by newpower on May 15, 2018 18:33:37 GMT -5
Only a few legends every decade: 70s : Bowie, Elton, Donna Summer, Led Zepp 80s : Michael, Prince, Madonna 90s : Whitney, Mariah, Celine, Janet 00s, 10s, too soon to tell. By the way, is Kanye a legend? I think Queen is missing from your 70's legends, otherwise that's a good list. Yes, I almost added Queen to the 70s. They’re truly legends.
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Post by BDGeek on May 16, 2018 18:20:55 GMT -5
I think Queen is missing from your 70's legends, otherwise that's a good list. Yes, I almost added Queen to the 70s. They’re truly legends. You can't talk '70s legends without mentioning Stevie Wonder. As for Pink, she's such a fascinating case study as an artist. She's never really been the "It Girl" of the moment, yet has maintained consistent success for two decades. She has a crazy good voice and is an exceptional live performer with a generally likable personality. She's pretty and has a good sense of style. Yet she doesn't elicit nearly as much discussion on this board as say Britney, Kelly, Mariah, etc. When I ask people in every day life about Pink, she's generally well-liked and respected, but almost never anyone's favorite. Her signature song is probably "Get The Party Started," which is remembered more as a fun throwback than an iconic pop song (such as "Baby One More Time" or "Like A Virgin"). Even looking at my "Best of Pink" playlist, I get kind of bored. The titles don't carry the same weight as a Christina or Kelly playlist, and I'd hardly consider either of them legends, despite Pink making hits more consistently than they have. She's not necessarily interested in becoming a legend, which is fine. But if she is, she'll need branch out with her next few albums instead of making I'm Not Dead/ Funhouse Part 87.
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Post by newpower on May 16, 2018 20:43:32 GMT -5
Yes, I almost added Queen to the 70s. They’re truly legends. You can't talk '70s legends without mentioning Stevie Wonder. You are right. I forgot Stevie. It’s so much easier to tell who are or aren’t legends from the 60s, 70s and even 80s. We also have some timeless legends like Barbra Or Aretha.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 16, 2018 20:47:36 GMT -5
It's easier to tell because time has helped provide clarity. Of course we hear a lot about current stars or even recently current stars. But to know who someone is and know their music 30 and 40 years later, and to see their influence on current artists, is to reveal a true legend.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 13:41:36 GMT -5
It's easier to tell because time has helped provide clarity. Of course we hear a lot about current stars or even recently current stars. But to know who someone is and know their music 30 and 40 years later, and to see their influence on current artists, is to reveal a true legend. Ironically, this is the thing above all else that makes 'P!nk as legend' a question worth considering. Kelly, Katy, Adele, Alessia, Dua, and Julia Michaels have all at one time or another said they were influenced by P!nk. So that ranges the gamut from literally one of her peers to this year's BNA winner and most newly minted worldwide It Girl, with two of the hugest pop star breakthroughs this century in between. Not to mention a singer-songwriter with numerous pop smashes for other artists under her belt. I am not sure even Beyonce can claim to have so much collective commercial influence! And she didn't have to wait several decades for it to happen. I'm not strongly advocating that P!nk be declared a legend, but as far as arguments against it go, 'influence' really can't be one of them. The biggest drawback (besides P!nk's own lack of wielding PR to foist a 'legend' image on us) is that all of those artists above are influenced by multiple people - as is the case for anyone - and those other influences show through more prominently when it comes to the music. What they adopt the most from P!nk is the unapologetic badass/keeping it real/slightly self-deprecating attitude, and we generally don't crown people music legends strictly for having distinctive personas. I think the second-biggest drawback is that P!nk made her name with pop-rock - she and Avril are arguably the mother of that subgenre - but that trend didn't last long or age well so it actually kind of takes away from her success in our minds.
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Post by kmbgs on May 17, 2018 14:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 17, 2018 14:19:56 GMT -5
It's easier to tell because time has helped provide clarity. Of course we hear a lot about current stars or even recently current stars. But to know who someone is and know their music 30 and 40 years later, and to see their influence on current artists, is to reveal a true legend. The biggest drawback (besides P!nk's own lack of wielding PR to foist a 'legend' image on us) is that all of those artists above are influenced by multiple people - as is the case for anyone - and those other influences show through more prominently when it comes to the music. What they adopt the most from P!nk is the unapologetic badass/keeping it real/slightly self-deprecating attitude, and we generally don't crown people music legends strictly for having distinctive personas. I think the second-biggest drawback is that P!nk made her name with pop-rock - she and Avril are arguably the mother of that subgenre - but that trend didn't last long or age well so it actually kind of takes away from her success in our minds. Right, nobody is adopting her performance style (I don't see any of the people named doing cirque du soleil shit in their shows), her sound is dated (even for an artist who is primarily HAC), they aren't copping her look (which has been essentially unchanged since her second album). I feel like she's more respected by the industry than by consumers. She was really at the forefront of pop girls doing it their own way. Innovative? Maybe. Confident? Definitely. But legendary? No.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 17, 2018 14:33:10 GMT -5
The biggest drawback (besides P!nk's own lack of wielding PR to foist a 'legend' image on us) is that all of those artists above are influenced by multiple people - as is the case for anyone - and those other influences show through more prominently when it comes to the music. I think this is the main point, though. You can't really see P!nk's influence in their music. I also wouldn't attribute that to P!nk specifically either. That kind of things does back to at least Madonna on some level, but was also carried on by other females before P!nk was associated with it. And that isn't to say P!nk wasn't an influence, but like with your above point, she's more part of the whole than anything. I don't want any of this to detract from P!nk either. She's had a terrific career that few probably saw happening when she first hit (she's outlasted nearly all artists that came out around the same time). She's also had at least some influence in music and even personality, as you wrote. I just don't think it's clear she hit the status of "legend."
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Post by newpower on May 17, 2018 15:02:36 GMT -5
Right, nobody is adopting her performance style (I don't see any of the people named doing cirque du soleil s**t in their shows) For some reason, when you said this, I imagined Adele on a trapeze singing Set Fire to the Rain
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 17, 2018 15:19:55 GMT -5
The fact that she could actually turn her entire sound and personna around in 1 album was pretty amazing, I will give her that.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 17, 2018 15:30:39 GMT -5
The fact that she could actually turn her entire sound and personna around in 1 album was pretty amazing, I will give her that. How did her persona change?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on May 17, 2018 15:42:10 GMT -5
From urban to pop, and the styles/aesthetics that go with it.
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