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Post by filthy on May 29, 2018 8:54:17 GMT -5
We've had this discussion about Elvis' #1 hits before. It's subjective. Go by Top 100 (since November 1955) + Hot 100, and he had 14 (7+7). Go by Best Sellers + Hot 100, and he had 17 or 18 (depending on how you view "Hound Dog" and "Don't Be Cruel"). Billboard itself seems to be flaky when it comes to the King's count, so, yeah, up to you really. Elvis is the second best selling artist of all-time. Drake can't compare to Elvis yet, who has 223,1 million certified units and between 500-600 million claimed sales. |
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Post by renaboss on May 29, 2018 9:07:08 GMT -5
Not subjective at all It is 17 singles, 18 songs Not 14 The only flexibility in the number is if you subscribe to the theory that music didn't exist before August 1958, then it is 7 How isn't it subjective? It is 17 singles if you count the ones that were #1 in the Best Sellers ranking prior to the Hot 100, and completely disregard his #1's in the lists for songs most played in jukeboxes and by disc-jockeys, which would actually increase his amount of #1's. The least subjective option is the all-data Top 100 that started in November of 1955 as the Hot 100's predecessor and encompasses all of Elvis' career, since he broke out in 56. On the Top 100, he had 7 #1's; on the Hot 100, also 7. 7 + 7 = 14. The King of Rock & Roll had 14 #1 hits, the same as Rihanna. But one can choose to look at it however they please. You clearly choose to consider the Best Sellers list only, hence the 17-18 total. Your call. |
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Post by renaboss on May 29, 2018 9:08:17 GMT -5
We've had this discussion about Elvis' #1 hits before. It's subjective. Go by Top 100 (since November 1955) + Hot 100, and he had 14 (7+7). Go by Best Sellers + Hot 100, and he had 17 or 18 (depending on how you view "Hound Dog" and "Don't Be Cruel"). Billboard itself seems to be flaky when it comes to the King's count, so, yeah, up to you really. Elvis is the second best selling artist of all-time. Drake can't compare to Elvis yet, who has 223,1 million certified units and between 500-600 million claimed sales. What do sales have to do with his #1 songs on Billboard? Directly speaking, I mean. You responded to me with a different subject. |
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 9:18:44 GMT -5
The definitive pop chart prior to the Hot 100 was Best Sellers in Stores
It is pretty simple at that point
17 singles - 18 songs (To me the same number but here it depends on what you want to measure)
7 singles if you start at August 1958
The "subjective" piece comes from you, by injecting other charts and other forms of measurement
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Post by filthy on May 29, 2018 9:21:05 GMT -5
Elvis is the second best selling artist of all-time. Drake can't compare to Elvis yet, who has 223,1 million certified units and between 500-600 million claimed sales. What do sales have to do with his #1 songs on Billboard? Directly speaking, I mean. You responded to me with a different subject. You mentioned the discussion of comparing Drake to Elvis. Also, sales had everything to do with #1's in Elvis' time |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on May 29, 2018 9:23:55 GMT -5
Look I'm not American, so I don't know what it's like in the US, but here in Portugal, I can assure you that no one over a certain age bracket - a YOUNG age bracket - will know the name of Drake. That is a fact. And worse than that, they probably wouldn't know the songs either, even his biggest hits. They're not inescapable songs, like "Despacito", "Shape of You", or even "Havana" were. That's why I'm talking about all the time, Drake is not even in the top 10 WW in this decade, and I don't care if this thread is Billboard Hot 100 or not, it's ridiculous to compare him to Elvis or Beatles. |
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 9:28:27 GMT -5
What do sales have to do with his #1 songs on Billboard? Directly speaking, I mean. You responded to me with a different subject. You mentioned the discussion of comparing Drake to Elvis. Also, sales had everything to do with #1's in Elvis' time For 11 of his #1's this was certainly the case |
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Post by renaboss on May 29, 2018 9:28:44 GMT -5
The definitive pop chart prior to the Hot 100 was Best Sellers in Stores It is pretty simple at that point 17 singles - 18 songs (To me the same number but here it depends on what you want to measure) 7 singles if you start at August 1958 The "subjective" piece comes from you, by injecting other charts and other forms of measurement I didn't come up with those charts. They were there, why shouldn't they be acknowledged, particularly if the Top 100 clearly has more in common with the Hot 100 (by including all metrics)? I don't understand why people disregard the Top 100 in favor of Best Sellers in Stores for chart history, and yet always choose to start with "(We're Gonna) Rock Around the Clock". What about any of this isn't subjective? |
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 9:40:48 GMT -5
Rock Around The Clock was not the first Rock N Roll song but it was the first to go to #1 -- That is universally acknowledged as the start of the Rock Era -- with the takeover of Drake and others, it could be argued that the "Rock era" is over.
Professional chart stat books(Joel Whitburn), old AT40 shows(featuring Casey Kasem) use Best Sellers in Stores as a basis for statistics.
I wasn't there but that is what I go by. I don't have a source, but I believe credibility was an issue at the time for your Top 100 chart
But yes, if you like the Top 100, use it
Your call
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Post by jebsib on May 29, 2018 9:48:48 GMT -5
I believe the Top 100 was sporadically published - wasn't always weekly, which caused it to be suspect and not absolutely authoritative.
Whitburn uses it if a title peaked higher on it than the other 4 pop charts used back then.
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Post by chartslovergermany on May 29, 2018 9:55:13 GMT -5
When will they release the charts?
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 9:56:13 GMT -5
When will they release the charts? Preview comes this afternoon Full charts tomorrow |
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Post by chartslovergermany on May 29, 2018 9:58:02 GMT -5
When will they release the charts? Preview comes this afternoon Full charts tomorrow okay good :) |
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Post by badrobot on May 29, 2018 10:23:08 GMT -5
All this talk of eras and who's the new Elvis -- it takes time for these things to become solidified as cultural touchstones. It's not like Rock Around the Clock hit #1 and the next day somebody said "guys this is the start of the rock era." (I'd be curious to see what year we started seeing the "rock era" referenced.)
Since we've yet to redefine popular music in a major sudden shift since then (we've had different dominant genres over the decades, but no widely recognized major shift), I doubt we'd really be looking at any one artist or time period (thus far) as another major inflection point.
The closest we've got is consistent reference to the "Soundscan era," but that had nothing to do with the music itself, it was just about technology and data.
It's possible streaming will be referenced in the future as a major change, but it still feels like it's more about the technology than the music.
Drake will likely be remembered as a major artist, but not as the modern Elvis -- more like another in a line of major cultural touchstone artists like Elvis, Beatles, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Beyonce, etc.
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Post by Golden Bluebird on May 29, 2018 11:10:19 GMT -5
Boo'd Up, Yes Indeed, and... ?
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Post by Fancy on May 29, 2018 11:15:32 GMT -5
Boo'd Up, Yes Indeed, and... ? ”be careful” hopefully |
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Post by Harx on May 29, 2018 12:06:31 GMT -5
BTS GETS A TOP 10 HIT
LMAO!!!!!!
watch Pulse implode
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Post by Mike on May 29, 2018 12:07:05 GMT -5
It's "Fake Love" by BTS @ #10. Their first Hot 100 top 10.
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Post by ur local neighborhood dbender on May 29, 2018 12:08:33 GMT -5
It's "Fake Love" by BTS @ #10. Their first Hot 100 top 10. Fml. |
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Post by tanooki on May 29, 2018 12:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 12:09:27 GMT -5
Drake's 'Nice for What' Returns to No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100, Lil Baby, Ella Mai & BTS Earn First Top 10s
5/29/2018 by Gary Trust
Drake passes Elvis Presley with his 26th top 10, while BTS earns the first top 10 for a K-pop group.
Drake's "Nice for What" -- which ruled the Billboard Hot 100 chart for its first four weeks on the chart and then spent two weeks at No. 2, below Childish Gambino's "This Is America" -- returns to the summit for a fifth total week at No. 1.
Meanwhile, three artists tally their first Hot 100 top 10s: Lil Baby, whose "Yes Indeed," featuring Drake, vaults from No. 49 to No. 6 following its first full week of tracking; Ella Mai, whose debut hit "Boo'd Up" bumps 11-8; and superstar Korean boy band BTS, whose "Fake Love" launches at No. 10, marking the first Hot 100 top 10 ever for a K-pop group, as parent album Love Yourself: Tear debuts as the group's first No. 1 on the Billboard 200, where it's also the first No. 1 for an album in the K-pop genre.
Let's run down the top 10 of the Hot 100 (dated June 2), which blends all-genre streaming, airplay and sales data. All charts will update on Billboard.com tomorrow (May 30).
Drake's "Nice," released on Young Money/Cash Money/Republic Records, dips 2-3 on the Streaming Songs chart, down 8 percent to 36.8 million U.S. streams in the week ending May 24, according to Nielsen Music. It tumbles 3-10 on Digital Song Sales, with a 10 percent decline to 23,000 downloads sold in the week ending May 24, while backtracking 6-7 on Radio Songs, but with a 2 percent lift to 78.9 million in all-format airplay audience in the week ending May 27.
"Nice" rebounds for a fifth week at No. 1 on both the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Hot Rap Songs charts.
Childish Gambino's "America," the first Hot 100 leader for actor-director Donald Glover's musical alter ego, slips to No. 2 after logging its first two weeks on the chart at No. 1. It tops Streaming Songs for a third week (45.2 million, down 35 percent), falls to No. 5 after its first two weeks atop Digital Song Sales (24,000, down 52 percent) and debuts on Radio Songs at No. 46 (21.7 million, up 30 percent).
Drake holds at No. 3 on the Hot 100 with "God's Plan," which launched at No. 1 and spent 11 weeks at the summit prior to "Nice," and Post Malone's "Psycho," featuring Ty Dolla $ign, is additionally steady on the Hot 100, at No. 4 after reaching No. 2, while earning the Hot 100's top Airplay Gainer award for a second straight week, as it rises 8-6 on Radio Songs (83.9 million, up 11 percent).
Rounding out the Hot 100's top five, Zedd, Maren Morris and Grey's "The Middle" returns to its No. 5 high, from No. 6. It leads Radio Songs for a third week (115 million, down 3 percent) and the Hot Dance/Electronic Songs chart for a 17th frame.
Atlanta rapper Lil Baby logs his first Hot 100 top 10, as "Yes Indeed" blasts 49-6 following its first full week of tracking. (In his lone prior appearance, he reached No. 71, with "My Dawg" in January.) Streaming accounts for the bulk of the track's activity, as it flies 30-2 on Streaming Songs (39.5 million, up 190 percent). It also rockets 12-1 to top the audio subscription services-based On-Demand Streaming Songs chart, up 158 percent to 32.2 million on-demand U.S. audio streams.
Drake scores his 26th Hot 100 top 10, breaking out of a tie with Elvis Presley for a solo share of ninth place among artists with the most top 10s (with Presley's chart career having predated the Hot 100's inception by two years). Madonna leads with 38 Hot 100 top 10s, followed by The Beatles (34), Rihanna (31), Michael Jackson (29), Mariah Carey and Stevie Wonder (28 each) and Janet Jackson and Elton John (27 each).
Bebe Rexha and Florida Georgia Line's No. 2-peaking "Meant to Be" slides 5-7 on the Hot 100, while topping Hot Country Songs for a 26th week.
London-born Ella Mai scores her first Hot 100 top 10 with her first chart entry, as "Boo'd Up" rises 11-8. It advances 7-6 on Streaming Songs (28.6 million, up 23 percent), holds at No. 30 on Radio Songs (35.1 million, up 5 percent) and lifts 38-27 on Digital Song Sales (12,000, up 14 percent). Her breakthrough hit spends a second week at No. 1 on the Hot R&B Songs chart.
Mai is the first artist to take a debut Hot 100 entry to the top 10 in 2018, and the first since Lil Pump, whose "Gucci Gang" hit No. 3 in December. She's the first female to earn the honor since Cardi B, whose "Bodak Yellow (Money Moves)" reigned for three weeks in October.
Ariana Grande's No. 3-peaking "No Tears Left to Cry" retreats 7-9 on the Hot 100.
Rounding out the Hot 100's top 10, BTS bows at No. 10 with "Fake Love," from the group's new album Love Yourself: Tear, which, as noted above, roars in as the group's first No. 1 on the Billboard 200, where it's also the first leader for an album in the K-pop genre.
BTS additionally breaks its own record for the highest-charting Hot 100 hit for a K-pop group, passing its "MIC Drop" (featuring Desiigner), which reached No. 28 in December. Only one other K-pop act has charted top 10s on the Hot 100: South Korean rapper/singer PSY, whose smash "Gangnam Style" peaked at No. 2 for seven weeks in 2012 and "Gentleman" hit No. 5 in 2013.
Further, "Fake Love" is the first K-pop song to debut in the Hot 100's top 10, besting PSY's "Gentleman, " which started at No. 12.
"Fake Love," which BTS performed on the Billboard Music Awards May 20, is likewise BTS' first No. 1 on Digital Song Sales, where it opens with 29,000 sold. On Streaming Songs, it starts at No. 7 with 27.4 million U.S. streams.
Find out more Hot 100 news in the weekly "Hot 100 Chart Moves" column and by listening (and subscribing) to Billboard's Chart Beat Podcast and Pop Shop Podcast. And again, be sure to visit Billboard.com tomorrow (May 30), when all charts, including the Hot 100 in its entirety, will refresh. The next issue of Billboard magazine is on sale Friday (June 1).
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 12:10:33 GMT -5
Drake's 'Nice for What' Returns to No. 1 on Billboard Hot 100, Lil Baby, Ella Mai & BTS Earn First Top 10s
5/29/2018 by Gary TrustDrake passes Elvis Presley with his 26th top 10, It's official |
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Post by Dylan :) on May 29, 2018 12:15:12 GMT -5
I have never heard of #6 or #8. I only like three songs in the whole top ten :(
How is Boo'd Up so high? Not top 20 on iTunes and just reached the top 100 on Spotify for the first time at #99. Also not really doing anything on radio. All Apple Music?
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Post by wavey. on May 29, 2018 12:15:53 GMT -5
AHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHA YESSSSSS BTW! KEEP FLOURISHING!
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on May 29, 2018 12:16:07 GMT -5
Ella Mai’s Top 10 entry gets overshadowed by an overrated boy band, nice..
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on May 29, 2018 12:16:28 GMT -5
I have never heard of #6 or #8. I only like three songs in the whole top ten :( How is Boo'd Up so high? Not top 20 on iTunes and just reached the top 100 on Spotify for the first time at #99. Also not really doing anything on radio. All Apple Music? and YouTube |
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 12:20:47 GMT -5
Streaming #1
This Is America 45.2
Digital #1
Fake Love - BTS - 29,000
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Post by fhas on May 29, 2018 12:21:49 GMT -5
"Fake Love," which BTS performed on the Billboard Music Awards May 20, is likewise BTS' first No. 1 on Digital Song Sales, where it opens with 29,000 sold.  |
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Post by filthy on May 29, 2018 12:24:22 GMT -5
Wait how did Fake Love have enough to be #10
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Post by Gary on May 29, 2018 12:25:54 GMT -5
Update to weeks at #1 in the decade
Rihanna 41
Drake 36
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