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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 30, 2019 14:43:24 GMT -5
Drake will take this.
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Post by Eloqueenβ’ on Aug 30, 2019 15:03:51 GMT -5
For even more insight, as of 2019, Rihanna is at 34M+ pure albums sold worldwide. Beyonce, who is heavily regarded as an "album seller", has sold 35M+. That's a mere +1M difference and hardly a notable one, especially when the former was once always labelled a "singles act". Yeah, but Rihanna also put out more albums than Beyonce. People labeled Rihanna a "singles artist" early on because the parent albums in her discography rarely sold anywhere near as well as they presumably should have for their respective hugely successful singles. Good Girl Gone Bad is her biggest release and sold roughly 2.8 million domestically on the back of three #1s and 6-7 total hits and a re-release, which wasn't exactly impressive figures at a time when you had other popular girls selling 4-6 million albums off of equal or less hits (Gwen, Kelly, Mariah, Alicia, Beyonce etc). Rihanna's domestic sales trail behind quite a few female artists, which is particularly interesting when she is indisputably the biggest female hitmaker in the biz by far, eclipsing all of her contemporaries. I even remember reading articles on the disconnect between her single success and album sales. Her sales are consistent at least though.
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Post by moonlite on Aug 30, 2019 15:11:59 GMT -5
imo, its between just Drake and Taylor. No one else really has a good case besides Adele. But Adele's problem is that she only had 2 releases this decade and she's been musically relevant for no more than 4 years which isn't enough.
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Post by kierz7 on Aug 30, 2019 15:19:52 GMT -5
For even more insight, as of 2019, Rihanna is at 34M+ pure albums sold worldwide. Beyonce, who is heavily regarded as an "album seller", has sold 35M+. That's a mere +1M difference and hardly a notable one, especially when the former was once always labelled a "singles act". Yeah, but Rihanna also put out more albums than Beyonce. People labeled Rihanna a "singles artist" early on because the parent albums in her discography rarely sold anywhere near as well as they presumably should have for their respective hugely successful singles. Good Girl Gone Bad is her biggest release and sold roughly 2.8 million domestically on the back of three #1s and 6-7 total hits and a re-release, which wasn't exactly impressive figures at a time when you had other popular girls selling 4-6 million albums off of equal or less hits (Gwen, Kelly, Mariah, Alicia, Beyonce etc). Rihanna's domestic sales trail behind quite a few female artists, which is particularly interesting when she is indisputably the biggest female hitmaker in the biz by far, eclipsing all of her contemporaries. Her sales are consistent at least though. Rihanna has released two more full length studio albums than BeyoncΓ©. Regardless, for an artist that has been generally rendered an "album seller", for there to be a mere 1M+ difference between them and another artist who was once always considered a "singles act", I don't find that impressive. Also, you're right in that Rihanna's domestic sales are moderate in units moved; the U.S, ironically, has always been her weakest albums market but she more than made up for it worldwide which is where the bulk of her album sales have come from. Her album sales have always been more Global. For example, both "LOUD" and "Good Girl Gone Bad" have sold 2M+ units in the U.K each (9M+ and 6.5M+ respectively worldwide). She's the only international artist to come accomplish such, and she is the biggest international album seller in the U.K by miles this century also. Among her direct contemporaries, only Adele has surpassed her. Also, she's the biggest international Female album seller (to debut this...) this century in France and Germany, behind Adele etc. As for Stefani, Clarkson, Knowles, Keys etc. their biggest markets have always been the U.S.A. They've barely sold more album units than Rihanna worldwide (especially Keys, Stefani & Clarkson) which says a lot. (I won't include Carey as she's sold more albums than everyone mentioned here overall).
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Post by Eloqueenβ’ on Aug 30, 2019 15:21:51 GMT -5
Yeah, but Rihanna also put out more albums than Beyonce. People labeled Rihanna a "singles artist" early on because the parent albums in her discography rarely sold anywhere near as well as they presumably should have for their respective hugely successful singles. Good Girl Gone Bad is her biggest release and sold roughly 2.8 million domestically on the back of three #1s and 6-7 total hits and a re-release, which wasn't exactly impressive figures at a time when you had other popular girls selling 4-6 million albums off of equal or less hits (Gwen, Kelly, Mariah, Alicia, Beyonce etc). Rihanna's domestic sales trail behind quite a few female artists, which is particularly interesting when she is indisputably the biggest female hitmaker in the biz by far, eclipsing all of her contemporaries. Her sales are consistent at least though. Rihanna has released two more full length studio albums than BeyoncΓ©. Regardless, for an artist that has been generally rendered anΒ "album seller", for there to be a mere 1M+ difference between them and another artist who was once always considered a "singles act", I don't find that impressive.Β Also, you're right in that Rihanna's domestic sales are moderate in units moved; the U.S, ironically, has always been her weakest albums market but she more than made up for it worldwide which is where the bulk of her album sales have come from. For example, both "LOUD" and "Good Girl Gone Bad" have sold 2M+ units in the U.K each. She's the only international artist to come accomplish such, and she is the biggest international album seller in the U.K by miles this century also. Among her direct contemporaries, only Adele has surpassed her. Also, she's the biggest international Female album seller this century in France and Germany, behind Madonna & Celine Dion etc. As for Stefani, Clarkson, Knowles, Keys etc. their biggest markets have always been the U.S.A. They've barely sold more album units than Rihanna worldwide which says a lot. (I won't include Carey as she's sold more albums than everyone mentioned here overall).Β Right, but the "singles artist" commentary was always based on her domestic performance, not her WW figures.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 30, 2019 18:30:20 GMT -5
Drake is taking this. I've been saying that for months now. Even if touring gets factored in (which will highly favor Taylor above Drake), he beats her thoroughly in several other metrics.
Taylor will definitely be the female artist of the decade, though.
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Post by Ratatouille on Sept 6, 2019 4:16:22 GMT -5
Imagine an Eminem back to back. However I predict him in a top 7
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Sept 7, 2019 20:10:37 GMT -5
I think Eminem will finish outside the top ten like 11 or 12
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Post by musicspy on Sept 8, 2019 9:44:00 GMT -5
Where do you think Ariana Grande will land in this list? I'd say 15-20
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Sept 8, 2019 10:29:03 GMT -5
Where do you think Ariana Grande will land in this list? I'd say 15-20 if I had to make a guess 14
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Post by Unhinged on Sept 8, 2019 12:48:31 GMT -5
Drake
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Sept 9, 2019 20:54:38 GMT -5
Do we know when the cut off for points is
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Post by korbel16 on Sept 9, 2019 23:32:00 GMT -5
Where do you think Ariana Grande will land in this list? I'd say 15-20 if I had to make a guess 14 wasnβt she #9 or #10 on the last update for the 2010βs artists list? Iβm sure she has even more points now because that was back in march. Should be at like #7 or #8 now
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 10, 2019 1:47:42 GMT -5
It would be great if we could get an updated list of the artists of the decade. Even if it was just the top 10. By late November, first week of December, Billboard will announce the artist of the decade and there won't be much of a debate or discussion to be had by then.
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Post by tobichartmaster on Oct 1, 2019 14:45:34 GMT -5
Billboardβs artist of the decade prediction
1. Drake Year end finishes: #1 #3 #3 #4 #4 #10 #11 #16 #23 (top 5 2019)
Top artist award: 2017 2019 Top male artist award: 2017 2019 Tour gross: 380 Million $ Honorable achievement: most streamed artist of all time
2. Taylor Swift Year end finishes: #1 #2 #2 #3 #4 #4 #8 #16 #25 (top 7 2019)
Top artist award: 2013 2015 Top female artist award: 2013 2015 2018 (record winner) Tour gross: 910 Million $ Honorable achievement: Biggest female artist on tour this decade
3. Adele Year end finishes: #1 #1 #1 #47 #48 #60
Top artist award: 2012 2016 Top female artist award: 2012 2016 Tour gross: 240 Million $ Honorable achievement: Best selling album artist of the decade (pure)
4. Rihanna Year end finishes: #2 #2 #4 #6 #9 #19 #26 #47 #86
Top artist award: - Top female artist award: 2011 Tour gross: 380 Million $ Honorable achievement: best selling digital artist in history
5. Bruno Mars Year end finishes: #1 #2 #6 #9 #19 #22 #26 #30
Top artist award: - Top male artist award: - Tour gross: 575 Million $
6. Justin Bieber Year end finishes: #2 #5 #7 #8 #9 #12 #15 #18
Top artist award: - Top male artist award: 2013 2016 Tour gross: 590 Million $ Honorable achievement: Top social 50 artist of the decade
7. Ed Sheeran Year end finishes: #1 #2 #3 #44 #90 (top 10 2019)
Top artist award: 2018 Top male artist award: 2018 Tour gross: 945 Million $ Honorable mention: Top solo touring artist of the decade
8. Katy Perry Year end finishes: #2 #3 #7 #11 #14 #21 #49 #91
Top artist award: - Top female artist award: 2014 Tour gross: 380 Million $ Honorable achievement: 5 number 1βs from the same album, tied Michael Jacksons record
9. One Direction Year end finishes: #1 #5 #8 #10 #26
Top artist award: - Top group award: 2013 2015 2016 Tour gross: 670 Million $ Honorable achievement: Global recording artist 2013
Possible top 10 candidates: The Weeknd, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Eminem, Maroon 5
I think only Drake and Taylor Swift successfully climbed up mountain Adele and her 14 times and 11 times platinum albums. They are my solid top3 Taylor Swift could beat Drake because of her tour gross, depending how much Billboard weights it. We have seen how One Direction boosted above Katy in 2014 year end, despite Katy was leading in hot100 and 200 chart.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 1, 2019 15:04:39 GMT -5
I think Drake is a sure #1 because touring is the only metric Taylor bests him in.
You're right in saying that it all depends on how Billboard weighs every metric, though. I'm particularly interested in seeing how they weigh streaming.
I personally believe that the Hot 100 and the Billboard 200 will carry the most weight, but then again, no one really knows exactly how Billboard will play it.
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Post by iHype. on Oct 1, 2019 17:47:32 GMT -5
I think Drake is a sure #1 because touring is the only metric Taylor bests him in. You're right in saying that it all depends on how Billboard weighs every metric, though. I'm particularly interested in seeing how they weigh streaming. I personally believe that the Hot 100 and the Billboard 200 will carry the most weight, but then again, no one really knows exactly how Billboard will play it. She beats him on the Social 50, which contributes to every Year End. Hot 100: Drake > Taylor Billboard 200: Drake > Taylor more likely but itβs probably close Social 50: Taylor > Drake Touring: Taylor > Drake So I wouldnβt be surprised if she did end up snatching #1. Either way both are more than likely top 2
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Oct 1, 2019 18:47:27 GMT -5
It's sad that 1D will be the biggest group of the decade.
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Post by cemetrygate on Oct 2, 2019 20:06:16 GMT -5
Billboardβs artist of the decade prediction 1. Drake Year end finishes: #1 #3 #3 #4 #4 #10 #11 #16 #23 (top 5 2019) Top artist award: 2017 2019 Top male artist award: 2017 2019 Tour gross: 380 Million $ Honorable achievement: most streamed artist of all time 2. Taylor Swift Year end finishes: #1 #2 #2 #3 #4 #4 #8 #16 #25 (top 7 2019) Top artist award: 2013 2015 Top female artist award: 2013 2015 2018 (record winner) Tour gross: 910 Million $ Honorable achievement: Biggest female artist on tour this decade 3. Adele Year end finishes: #1 #1 #1 #47 #48 #60 Top artist award: 2012 2016 Top female artist award: 2012 2016 Tour gross: 240 Million $ Honorable achievement: Best selling album artist of the decade (pure) 4. Rihanna Year end finishes: #2 #2 #4 #6 #9 #19 #26 #47 #86 Top artist award: - Top female artist award: 2011 Tour gross: 380 Million $ Honorable achievement: best selling digital artist in history 5. Bruno Mars Year end finishes: #1 #2 #6 #9 #19 #22 #26 #30 Top artist award: - Top male artist award: - Tour gross: 575 Million $ 6. Justin Bieber Year end finishes: #2 #5 #7 #8 #9 #12 #15 #18 Top artist award: - Top male artist award: 2013 2016 Tour gross: 590 Million $ Honorable achievement: Top social 50 artist of the decade 7. Ed Sheeran Year end finishes: #1 #2 #3 #44 #90 (top 10 2019) Top artist award: 2018 Top male artist award: 2018 Tour gross: 945 Million $ Honorable mention: Top solo touring artist of the decade 8. Katy Perry Year end finishes: #2 #3 #7 #11 #14 #21 #49 #91 Top artist award: - Top female artist award: 2014 Tour gross: 380 Million $ Honorable achievement: 5 number 1βs from the same album, tied Michael Jacksons record 9. One Direction Year end finishes: #1 #5 #8 #10 #26 Top artist award: - Top group award: 2013 2015 2016 Tour gross: 670 Million $ Honorable achievement: Global recording artist 2013 Possible top 10 candidates: The Weeknd, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Eminem, Maroon 5 I think only Drake and Taylor Swift successfully climbed up mountain Adele and her 14 times and 11 times platinum albums. They are my solid top3 Taylor Swift could beat Drake because of her tour gross, depending how much Billboard weights it. We have seen how One Direction boosted above Katy in 2014 year end, despite Katy was leading in hot100 and 200 chart. If we're talking about digital sales, I think Taylor is the best selling digital artist in history (in the US). Plus, Drake's highest grossing tours are co-headlined. Summer Sixteen Tour by Future and Aubrey & the Three Migos Tour by Migos. So the tour gross should be splitted, right? In this case, his tour gross would be around $280 million. And you are underestimating Lady Gaga. She has a solid chance to be in the top 10 imo
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Post by cemetrygate on Oct 2, 2019 20:19:39 GMT -5
Taylor beats Drake in touring, social and, by the end of the year, I think she will be ahead of him in on Billboard 200 as well.
But since the gap between those two on Hot 100 is big, he may take this.
I don't know, I just wish Taylor would win. It depends on how Billboard will weight tour gross.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Oct 2, 2019 20:24:43 GMT -5
Taylor beats Drake in touring, social and, by the end of the year, I think she will be ahead of him in on Billboard 200 as well. But since the gap between those two on Hot 100 is big, he may take this. I don't know, I just wish Taylor would win. It depends on how Billboard will weight tour gross. I also really want Taylor to win. I hope it can work out in her favour here, and Drake doesn't do anything until December 1st of this year lol.
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Post by cemetrygate on Oct 2, 2019 20:34:59 GMT -5
Taylor beats Drake in touring, social and, by the end of the year, I think she will be ahead of him in on Billboard 200 as well. But since the gap between those two on Hot 100 is big, he may take this. I don't know, I just wish Taylor would win. It depends on how Billboard will weight tour gross. I also really want Taylor to win. I hope it can work out in her favour here, and Drake doesn't do anything until December 1st of this year lol. I think he won't release anything, but Money in the Grave is outperforming all Lover singles lmao
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Post by cemetrygate on Oct 2, 2019 20:37:19 GMT -5
One thing I noticed: Taylor's chart-run throughout the decade in the Top Artist YEC has been superior until 2018.
Both 1 year on #1
Taylor: 3 years in the top 2 Drake: 1 year in the top 2
Taylor: 4 years in the top 3 Drake: 3 years in the top 3
Taylor: 6 years in the top 5 Drake: 5 years in the top 5
Taylor: 7 years in the top 10 Drake: 6 years in the top 10
Both 8 years in the top 20
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 3, 2019 7:46:51 GMT -5
Taylor beats Drake in touring, social and, by the end of the year, I think she will be ahead of him in on Billboard 200 as well. But since the gap between those two on Hot 100 is big, he may take this. I don't know, I just wish Taylor would win. It depends on how Billboard will weight tour gross. She won't be ahead of him on the Billboard 200 or Billboard 100 by the end of the year. He's at 22.6 million chart points for the Billboard 200. She's at less than 21 million chart points. He's millions of points ahead of her on the Hot 100. He's also the streaming artist of the decade. His singles, both certified and not, have moved more units in the US this decade than Taylor.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 3, 2019 7:53:14 GMT -5
This is from a Taylor Swift fan as obsessed with the AOTD award as anyone.
Keep in mind that Drake charts 6/7 albums every week on the Billboard 200 and has been doing so since this time last year. The next artist charting the most albums after him is charting 3 albums and it's not Taylor Swift.
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Post by cemetrygate on Oct 3, 2019 9:59:56 GMT -5
Taylor beats Drake in touring, social and, by the end of the year, I think she will be ahead of him in on Billboard 200 as well. But since the gap between those two on Hot 100 is big, he may take this. I don't know, I just wish Taylor would win. It depends on how Billboard will weight tour gross. She won't be ahead of him on the Billboard 200 or Billboard 100 by the end of the year. He's at 22.6 million chart points for the Billboard 200. She's at less than 21 million chart points. He's millions of points ahead of her on the Hot 100. He's also the streaming artist of the decade. His singles, both certified and not, have moved more units in the US this decade than Taylor. Billboard 200 is not based on points, it's based on actual sales. On June, Drake had sold 26.3 million. Taylor had 25.2 million. Since Lover was released, Taylor moved 1.2 million and the album still moves more than 50k every week. So yes, it's very possible that she can beat Drake and end up being the Billboard 200 Artist of the Decade. When it comes to singles, sales and certifications don't matter to the AOTD. Only performance on Hot 100. But yeah, he's miles ahead of her.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 3, 2019 10:07:26 GMT -5
Is Billboard even going to have this category??
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 3, 2019 10:15:08 GMT -5
cemetrygate Drake is #21 on the Hot 100 and #21 on the Billboard's 200 greatest artists of all time based on chart performance which is gotten by chart points, not based on the actual album units he's moved. We still don't know if Billboard will use chart points or SPS units for the AOTD tabulations. I'm betting they use chart points because that's the only way to remedy this change halfway into the decade from a pure sales chart to a sales plus streaming chart. We don't know what metrics Billboard will consider and which ones they'll weigh higher than the others. We really have no idea how they're gonna select their artist of the decade and you can't use past decades as a way to guess because a lot of things have changed now. There's a dozen other metrics they consider now that they didn't consider in the past decade or the decades before it. Another thing you're forgetting is even though Drake hasn't released any new albums this year, all his charting albums average 40-50K SPS per week. Those are figures he's been doing since June. Lover didn't drop till late August and that's not including the SPS units from Care Package which moved over 100K SPS units in it's first week and has only added to his sum total since then. You have to take that into consideration when talking about Taylor besting him this year on the Billboard 200.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 3, 2019 10:28:35 GMT -5
I'll also say this. The Billboard YEC uses actual album sales (SPS) units, but their decade-end and all-time charts use chart points.
Adele is the biggest artist in Billboard 200 history off the strength of a single album, 21, which also happens to be the biggest album in Billboard 200 history. 21 isn't the best selling album of all time in the US, so how is that possible? I'll tell you how: chart points. 21 is the best and one of the longest charting albums in Billboard 200 history.
I'm not so sure the decade-end Billboard 200 chart will use SPS units. Either way it swings, Drake's chances are great, but chart points paint a better picture of an album's performance on the Billboard 200 over a decade.
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Post by cemetrygate on Oct 3, 2019 10:57:58 GMT -5
cemetrygate Drake is #21 on the Hot 100 and #21 on the Billboard's 200 greatest artists of all time based on chart performance which is gotten by chart points, not based on the actual album units he's moved. We still don't know if Billboard will use chart points or SPS units for the AOTD tabulations. I'm betting they use chart points because that's the only way to remedy this change halfway into the decade from a pure sales chart to a sales plus streaming chart. We don't know what metrics Billboard will consider and which ones they'll weigh higher than the others. We really have no idea how they're gonna select their artist of the decade and you can't use past decades as a way to guess because a lot of things have changed now. There's a dozen other metrics they consider now that they didn't consider in the past decade or the decades before it. Another thing you're forgetting is even though Drake hasn't released any new albums this year, all his charting albums average 40-50K SPS per week. Those are figures he's been doing since June. Lover didn't drop till late August and that's not including the SPS units from Care Package which moved over 100K SPS units in it's first week and has only added to his sum total since then. You have to take that into consideration when talking about Taylor besting him this year on the Billboard 200. I know, but you have to consider that the gap between Drake and Taylor a few months ago was of only 1.1 million. I know Drake has a lot of albums charting, but Taylor has 1989 and reputation too, and she has just released a million seller. I'm not saying she WILL beat him on Billboard 200 AOTD, I'm saying she CAN beat him. Anyways, they will end up pretty close.
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