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Post by thelegends on Jun 17, 2018 13:30:22 GMT -5
6ix9ine not promoting KOODA or KEKE
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Post by feoba on Jun 18, 2018 7:39:00 GMT -5
The Weeknd releasing two Daft Punk collabs back to back, when Party Monster was far superior than I Feel It Flopping.
Rihanna waiting forever to shoot the Pour It Up video. It kinda simmered the hype for thr Unapologetic era. Also, Rihanna not shooting a video for LOTB when it could’ve easily gotten a higher peak.
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Post by Harx on Jun 18, 2018 8:02:42 GMT -5
The Weeknd releasing two Daft Punk collabs back to back, when Party Monster was far superior than I Feel It Flopping. "I Feel It Flopping" was much bigger than Party Monster. You may not like this but it's not an artist shooting himself in the foot.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 18, 2018 8:30:43 GMT -5
Lol at people bringing up Obsessed, but while Mariah is a subject here, I think delaying her last album, combined with a lowkey single like You're Mine did that project in. I think even if she didn't promote it due to her injury it would have done better with its original Q3 plan.
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jun 18, 2018 8:39:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't count Nelly Furtado among this. Following Loose she did quite well in the Latin market with Mi Plan. I also think she didn't like being a pop star and going in a non commercially friendly route with The Spirit Indestructible was a conscious decision, not a misstep.
I would say Shakira not releasing a follow up to Hips Don't Lie until 6 months after it's peak was a big mistake. She had momentum and even if there wasn't anything else on Oral Fixation Vol 2 that was going to rival the chart power of Hips Don't Lie, they likely could have squeezed another Top 20 out of anything they put out if they had moved fast enough.
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Post by Choco on Jun 18, 2018 8:42:46 GMT -5
Literally everyone who does a TIDAL exclusive is hurting themselves. The Life of deleted and Lemonade probably being the projects most hurt by this, since The Carters album lasted about a day before going to Spotify.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jun 18, 2018 8:43:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't count Nelly Furtado among this. Following Loose she did quite well in the Latin market with Mi Plan. I also think she didn't like being a pop star and going in a non commercially friendly route with The Spirit Indestructible was a conscious decision, not a misstep. A conscious decision to become irrelevant?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jun 18, 2018 8:48:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't count Nelly Furtado among this. Following Loose she did quite well in the Latin market with Mi Plan. I also think she didn't like being a pop star and going in a non commercially friendly route with The Spirit Indestructible was a conscious decision, not a misstep. A conscious decision to become irrelevant? Yes. She has talked about how she wasn't comfortable with the level of fame she had during Loose. It wasn't something that she was prepared for or really wanted to begin with, which is why she followed it up with a Spanish album, intentionally taking herself out of the mainstream.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jun 18, 2018 9:02:55 GMT -5
Yes. She has talked about how she wasn't comfortable with the level of fame she had during Loose. It wasn't something that she was prepared for or really wanted to begin with, which is why she followed it up with a Spanish album, intentionally taking herself out of the mainstream. In that case she fits perfectly with the narrative of artists who shot themselves in the foot. Most of today’s pop girls would kill to have half of “Loose” fame
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jun 18, 2018 14:24:51 GMT -5
Lol at people bringing up Obsessed, but while Mariah is a subject here, I think delaying her last album, combined with a lowkey single like You're Mine did that project in. I think even if she didn't promote it due to her injury it would have done better with its original Q3 plan. AND "You Don't Know What to Do" as the next single
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Post by BDGeek on Jun 18, 2018 14:48:10 GMT -5
Rita Ora releasing "Girls."
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Post by BDGeek on Jun 18, 2018 14:52:08 GMT -5
Lol at people bringing up Obsessed, but while Mariah is a subject here, I think delaying her last album, combined with a lowkey single like You're Mine did that project in. I think even if she didn't promote it due to her injury it would have done better with its original Q3 plan. AND "You Don't Know What to Do" as the next single What would you have chosen over "You Don't Know What To Do" as a single? I like Elusive Chanteuse, but YDKWTD was the closest thing to a hit on that album (and even that's a stretch).
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 18, 2018 15:10:06 GMT -5
Katy releasing This Is How We Do after Birthday underperformed.
Katy waiting 3.5 years to release her fourth album, during which pop music changed a lot.
Gaga’s “pop emergency” during the Applause release.
Gaga not filming a music video for The Cure.
Rihanna’s messy release of singles in 2015 for her eighth album, only to scrap all of those singles and not release an album in 2015. But ANTI was an excellent recovery in 2016.
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Post by rainie on Jun 18, 2018 15:23:20 GMT -5
Rita Ora releasing "Girls." Can’t kill your career if it was never alive 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by Leo ✔ on Jun 18, 2018 15:44:38 GMT -5
Yes. She has talked about how she wasn't comfortable with the level of fame she had during Loose. It wasn't something that she was prepared for or really wanted to begin with, which is why she followed it up with a Spanish album, intentionally taking herself out of the mainstream. In that case she fits perfectly with the narrative of artists who shot themselves in the foot. Most of today’s pop girls would kill to have half of “Loose” fame Not exactly, as YourFaveIsAFlop pointed before, it was her own choice. Not something she did thinking was good and ended a mistake.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jun 18, 2018 15:51:19 GMT -5
AND "You Don't Know What to Do" as the next single What would you have chosen over "You Don't Know What To Do" as a single? I like Elusive Chanteuse, but YDKWTD was the closest thing to a hit on that album (and even that's a stretch). Girl I just said that should've been the single. Back in summer 2013 though.
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Post by BDGeek on Jun 18, 2018 16:29:07 GMT -5
What would you have chosen over "You Don't Know What To Do" as a single? I like Elusive Chanteuse, but YDKWTD was the closest thing to a hit on that album (and even that's a stretch). Girl I just said that should've been the single. Back in summer 2013 though. Ooooh, I misread as you saying it was a mistake to release as a single altogether. I gotchu now.
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Post by BDGeek on Jun 18, 2018 17:14:41 GMT -5
Rita Ora releasing "Girls." Can’t kill your career if it was never alive 🤷🏻♀️ She technically has a platinum album in the UK, along with several platinum singles.
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Post by House Lannister on Jun 18, 2018 17:34:24 GMT -5
Literally everyone who does a TIDAL exclusive is hurting themselves. The Life of deleted and Lemonade probably being the projects most hurt by this, since The Carters album lasted about a day before going to Spotify. But I thought Lemonade did well enough, selling over 2.5 million worldwide and earning 3 top 20s. I think that being a concept album and somewhat socially conscious might have lowered sales from the previous album, but that HBO special and Super Bowl appearance made it do fine anyway. Despite some musical missteps, The Life of deleted actually did as well as Yeezus considering it was mostly streaming purchases that made up sales. The fact it was a different type of album than Yeezus didn't help. In both cases, I think Tidal didn't play a big factor on sales.
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Post by thelegends on Jun 19, 2018 2:26:32 GMT -5
6ix9ine not promoting KOODA or KEKE Or even Gotti, that could've been a bonafide hit.
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Post by truemusicreviews on Jun 20, 2018 22:29:28 GMT -5
Katy's entire rollout for Witness was horrendous.
- "Chained To The Rhythm" was an OK single choice. Her promotion for this wasn't too bad which is why it still made the year-end. - Katy shaving her head did a huge blow on her image. A lot of people saw her as cringeworthy and trying too hard, much like Miley Cyrus in 2013. - Katy made some pretty stupid comments about Obama and Britney Spears around this time. - "Bon Apetit" was a mistake. It tried to combine pop and rap and ended up failing at both. It lacked the catchiness of her pop hits, but Migos was a non-presence. Plus, Katy was criticized for her SNL performance of this song and the fact that a self-described activist would work with a group that has made blatantly homophobic comments. - "Swish Swish" functioned terribly as a diss track towards Taylor and didn't really feature a sound that is favorable to the American general public. Plus, the music video was horrendous. - The whole Witness livestream thing was just kinda creepy and unnecessary. - The album wasn't all that either. - "Hey, Hey, Hey" had the tight sound of one of Katy's older hits, but its lyrics were kind of cringeworthy. Plus, she put out another horrific music video for the track. - She never released "Roulette" as a single, the one genuinely good song that had mainstream appeal and could have been a big hit.
No wonder she's treated like a joke now.
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Post by truemusicreviews on Jun 20, 2018 22:31:53 GMT -5
Also, I have no clue whatsoever why Post Malone decided to push "Ball For Me" as the fourth single off of B&B when "Better Now" was the obvious choice. It was and still is doing extremely well on Spotify and is catchy as hell. Thankfully, Post seems to be correcting his mistake and "Better Now" will likely make the year-end.
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Post by Naos on Jun 29, 2018 2:54:46 GMT -5
When Kevin Federline released a song.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jun 29, 2018 3:45:59 GMT -5
When Kevin Federline released a song. He was mediocre at best when it came to rapping, but that song he chose to release as his first single was just sooo bad that it was impossible to take it or his attempt at any semblance of a music career seriously.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 29, 2018 8:21:05 GMT -5
Lol at people bringing up Obsessed, but while Mariah is a subject here, I think delaying her last album, combined with a lowkey single like You're Mine did that project in. I think even if she didn't promote it due to her injury it would have done better with its original Q3 plan. AND "You Don't Know What to Do" as the next single I think by that point it didn't really matter what was next, the album came out after the single had come and gone without much waves, almost all of the momentum she had the previous year was gone. I think if it had been launched off the back of #Beautiful, YDKWTD might have been an ok UAC choice, and maybe Thirsty for Mainstream Urban, but it's really tough to regain momentum after such a long delay with no traction in between.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jun 29, 2018 8:36:16 GMT -5
AND "You Don't Know What to Do" as the next single I think by that point it didn't really matter what was next, the album came out after the single had come and gone without much waves, almost all of the momentum she had the previous year was gone. I think if it had been launched off the back of #Beautiful, YDKWTD might have been an ok UAC choice, and maybe Thirsty for Mainstream Urban, but it's really tough to regain momentum after such a long delay with no traction in between. YDKWTD released in summer 2013, right after #B is what I meant.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 29, 2018 11:22:16 GMT -5
Taylor Swift having "Today Was A Fairytale" the pop single after "Fearless" won AOTY at the Grammys in 2010. I think about this all the time. Really bad timing for such a basic single when people were criticizing her big win.
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Post by Caution on Jun 29, 2018 11:39:43 GMT -5
When Kesha sued Dr. Luke.
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Post by Juanca on Jun 29, 2018 12:17:54 GMT -5
Agree with M’s American Life era... but to me it was even worse when she backtracked. That’s when she lost some support from those who were supporting her bold move. Don’t replace your strong video with a stupid flag video. Tone down a few images that were a bit too out there like the wounded soldiers or kids on the runway or the bomb thrown, but keep the messaging! Speaking of M, I’d add the rollout of Rebel Heart. Yes, it leaked, but don’t just release the single on iTunes and let it die with no promotion for a month! And releasing Jump as the 4th instead of 2nd US single. Too much wait for the most US- friendly single. Plus of course not releasing Beautiful Stranger or American Pie as physical singles, or taking an eternity to release the physical single for Rescue Me, Ray of Light, Nothing really matters, which led to low peaks in the Hot 100.
Xtina’s Lotus era: not releasing Your Body earlier to take advantage of her good graces with the public and radio after being less of a bitch in TV and being featured in MLJ. The song was ready for release half a year before it was actually released... and then she didn’t perform it except once and late. Then no video or adds for Just a Fool despite being a sales success and having initial good voluntary traction at radio. Further, no capitalization of her success with Pitbull, with no followup single or remix or anything from Lotus.
Leona Lewis releasing I Will Be as her third single and ballad... when she had a mid/uptempo song exclusively recorded with hitmaker Akon for the US release of her album. A real WTF
Adam Lambert releasing For Your Entertainment as her first single... almost derailed the entire project especially after the performance simulating oral sex with his guitarist, with lyrics that can be just about anal sex.
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Post by rainie on Jun 29, 2018 15:31:27 GMT -5
When Kesha sued Dr. Luke. I mean it may have technically damaged her career, but can you blame her? Dr Luke was being extremely abusive to her and not just being overbearing about what direction she look her music in, but how she lived her life. And honestly, I think you could argue the Dr Luke thing in some ways was good for her career in the long run. If she had kept on being Ke$ha the party girl, she probably would’ve burned out in another era or two (remember, she really only had big hit from Warrior), and would have been forgotten in 10 years. However by standing up again last Dr Luke and releasing Rainbow, she not only got to make the music she wanted but she got to make music that’ll likely stand the test of time. It wouldn’t surprise me if Praying is to Kesha was Hurt was to Johnny Cash (though maybe to a lesser extent), whereas I highly doubt any of her other music besides probably Tik Tok will stand the test of time.
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