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Post by Matt4319 on Nov 6, 2003 1:35:54 GMT -5
How is this song still going? I thought this would have crashed and burned by now.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 6, 2003 1:43:02 GMT -5
It's number 20 with a bullet on the alternative chart. It just debuted a # 38 on the rock chart. It's still going.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 7, 2003 19:28:34 GMT -5
jond7699:
Uh, I'm not a hater, I'm a big Korn fan, for all the right reasons. And it greatly pains me to watch them musically devolve. Do I not have a right to be sorely disappointed by the musical output of a band I'm passionate about?
I can't question the objective intelligence of Jon and Fieldy? Have you listened to Jon in interviews? He doesn't exactly have the smartest, most thought-out things to say. Fieldy neither. And have you heard his hip hop album Rock N Roll Gangster?
The other 3 come off as smarter, if not geniuses. It just surprises me that they can listen to Jon's lyrics at this stage in their career and give them all the green light. I like the guys in the band. I never said I didn't. It just seems that now that they're famous, they don't really know how to cope with it. They don't seem to know how to cope with lackluster album sales, either. I remember Jon saying he wanted Korn to become a respected album-rock band like Pink Floyd and Nine Inch Nails. While Untouchables was a step in the right direction for that, "Right Now" is a huge leap in the wrong direction. They always say they want to recapture the raw energy of their debut, but this time they may be trying harder. But "Right Now" doesn't have the same hunger as the emotion in the lyrics on the debut. It also pulls them away from their goal for Untouchables. "Did My Time" wasn't that musically riveting, but it had emotional depth. "Right Now" has none.
It seems to me that Korn are militant about preserving their image as badass hard rockers. Well, the only way Jonathan seems to know how to contribute to the songs is to continue rehashing the same negativity and hatred again and again. What's so surprising about this song, especially after the more sonically experimental Untouchables, is that Jon totally regressed to one of the most one-dimensional songs he's ever written. Musically it's fine, but you'd think Jon would have something more positive and introspective to say after 6 albums and millions of dollars.
Since their 4th and 5th albums failed to live up to the success of the 3rd, like Gormaniko says, with this song, it just seems they're resorting to outyelling the other dying new-metal bands, as opposed to growing artistically. This isn't growth. It's devolution.
I'm not faulting you for liking it, but I don't know why you find my passionate opinions to be so offensive, when I just may be the biggest Korn fan on the boards.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 8, 2003 13:51:02 GMT -5
jond7699: Uh, I'm not a hater, I'm a big Korn fan, for all the right reasons. And it greatly pains me to watch them musically devolve. Do I not have a right to be sorely disappointed by the musical output of a band I'm passionate about? I can't question the objective intelligence of Jon and Fieldy? Have you listened to Jon in interviews? He doesn't exactly have the smartest, most thought-out things to say. Fieldy neither. And have you heard his hip hop album Rock N Roll Gangster? The other 3 come off as smarter, if not geniuses. It just surprises me that they can listen to Jon's lyrics at this stage in their career and give them all the green light. I like the guys in the band. I never said I didn't. It just seems that now that they're famous, they don't really know how to cope with it. They don't seem to know how to cope with lackluster album sales, either. I remember Jon saying he wanted Korn to become a respected album-rock band like Pink Floyd and Nine Inch Nails. While Untouchables was a step in the right direction for that, "Right Now" is a huge leap in the wrong direction. They always say they want to recapture the raw energy of their debut, but this time they may be trying harder. But "Right Now" doesn't have the same hunger as the emotion in the lyrics on the debut. It also pulls them away from their goal for Untouchables. "Did My Time" wasn't that musically riveting, but it had emotional depth. "Right Now" has none. It seems to me that Korn are militant about preserving their image as badass hard rockers. Well, the only way Jonathan seems to know how to contribute to the songs is to continue rehashing the same negativity and hatred again and again. What's so surprising about this song, especially after the more sonically experimental Untouchables, is that Jon totally regressed to one of the most one-dimensional songs he's ever written. Musically it's fine, but you'd think Jon would have something more positive and introspective to say after 6 albums and millions of dollars. Since their 4th and 5th albums failed to live up to the success of the 3rd, like Gormaniko says, with this song, it just seems they're resorting to outyelling the other dying new-metal bands, as opposed to growing artistically. This isn't growth. It's devolution. I'm not faulting you for liking it, but I don't know why you find my passionate opinions to be so offensive, when I just may be the biggest Korn fan on the boards. I apologize. I may disagree with you being the biggest Korn fan on this board tho
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 10, 2003 15:45:14 GMT -5
I'm happy to put this behind us. Water under the bridge.
Sometimes, when I'm disappointed by new output from a band I'm totally into, it comes off like I hate it and think it sucks, as much as I try to set off and draw attention to words like "in comparison" or what have you.
I don't hate this and I actually "like" it, but I'm disappointed with their direction and am uneasy about their future commercial success, even if "Right Now" is in the Top 20.
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Post by halo19 on Nov 10, 2003 16:03:10 GMT -5
Well, according to a topic on YOP, two of his most influential albums in his life were Aenima (#1) and Candyass, so both of you have a lot in common it seems.
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Post by insect2 on Nov 10, 2003 16:12:08 GMT -5
I actually thought this would peak around the area of "Did My Time". Not to say anything bad about "Did My Time" since I liked that one, but it just seemed it built in for a #16 peak. Now if it goes higher than #16, then I'll probably have a problem with it.
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Post by halo19 on Nov 10, 2003 16:13:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't, because that's dissapointing compared to "Here To Stay", which peaked at #3 and was a first single.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 10, 2003 22:29:11 GMT -5
I finally got a quality mp3 of this song. Mine was bad quality. I really like this song because I need angry music when I am angry it is like an extension of me. ;) I am hoping for a lot of success for this song although I doubt it will even reach the top ten. Remember the new Korn cd comes out November 18. "Take A Look In The Mirror"
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 12, 2003 23:12:16 GMT -5
Well, according to a topic on YOP, two of his most influential albums in his life were Aenima (#1) and Candyass, so both of you have a lot in common it seems. Hole E. Crap. I hadn't even opened that topic until you said this. That's unreal. Those are (were?) my 2 favorite albums of all time. However, our similarities definitely have their limits, seeing as he has albums by Mariah, Christina, and Janet filling out his Top 10, whereas they wouldn't be anywhere close to mine. Janet was actually my favorite album until I got into rock music full-on. I think Dookie replaced it in the spring of 1995. Jond7699, you may want to note that the Korn record doesn't come out until the 25th.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 13, 2003 3:18:40 GMT -5
I thought it was coming out November 18th?!? Hmm must've pushed it back a week.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Nov 15, 2003 19:42:17 GMT -5
It's catchy and I think it's going to hit top-10 and maybe even top-5, but it's not going to be their biggest hit and I'm not so sure about their commercial success either. I'm interested in what their next single is and I wonder if their song with Nas will be played on Urban stations.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 17, 2003 4:08:58 GMT -5
I don't see Korn going to urban anytime soon even if Nas is on the track. As for a second (or third since "Did My Time" has already been released) I have no clue I have not heard any other songs yet. But I have no doubt Korn will do well in it's first week as for going long distance I doubt it. It might sell a couple million if they are lucky :'(
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 17, 2003 4:17:49 GMT -5
I forgot to add how the song well "Right Now" is doing on the different formats
ALTERNATIVE *17 (1355) +77
ROCK *27 (117) +11
ACTIVE ROCK *13 (1106) +18
What is the difference between the three?? I mean I know what Alternative is but what is the difference between the Active Rock stations and the Rock stations??
It seem that the song is dying down >:( But with the album being released in a little over a week they should be able to keep their bullet , hopefully.
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Post by crash46 on Nov 17, 2003 18:14:52 GMT -5
I think the biggest difference between Rock and Active Rock is that Rock is a lot more oriented toward golds. Most Rock stations have about 5 currents that are played 30 times or less (per week), and most everything else is from the 70's and 80's. Active Rock has a similar music selection, but the currents and recurrents are played much more often.
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Post by EvanJ on Nov 17, 2003 21:37:29 GMT -5
Rock also plays veterans like Bruce Springsteen, the Rolling Stones, and Rush that Active Rock won't play. A song called "Enormous Penis" by Davinci's Notebook has 3 spins on Rock.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 18, 2003 0:35:32 GMT -5
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 18, 2003 19:39:18 GMT -5
And good news, jond7699: They pushed the album release date up to this Friday.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 19, 2003 0:50:00 GMT -5
OMG that is so awesome I am so glad I don't have to wait until next Tuesday.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 19, 2003 14:09:59 GMT -5
"Right Now" stats:
ROCK Chart Postion: 27 Spins: 128 +21 Audience Impression : 0.323
ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion : 13 Spins : 1128 +42 Audience Impression : 4.462
ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion : 17 Spins: 1421 +102 Audience Impression : 10.162
"Right Now" gained about ten spins from the last update yesterday to todays update on the AR format. This seems to be their best chance at a top ten hit. POD seems to be slowing down and #11 & #10 are both losing spins. *Crosses His Fingers*
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 22, 2003 22:39:43 GMT -5
Here are the latest stats for "Right Now"
ROCK Chart Postion: *28 Spins: 123 (+11) Audience Impression: 0.311
It doesn't look too promising for this song on this particular format.
ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion: *12 Spins: 1146 (+49) Audience Impression: 4.461
ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion: *17 Spins: 1459 (+125) Audience Impression: 10.494
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 23, 2003 16:54:19 GMT -5
So I ended up loving this album and getting better perspective on "Right Now" in the context of the album. If anyone's interested, my complete comments are in the Music News forum in the appropriate topic.
I'm actually relieved after learning that everybody except Jon hated the video concept at first. And even Jon said the imagery is "just wrong" (though he loves it.) It won't be #1 on my year-end worst list anymore (because somebody like J. Lo is so much more deserving), but you can bet it'll still be on there somewhere. It's a wasted opportunity, in addition to being unartistically vile and cringe-inducing to watch.
In short, I'll never question any of their intelligence or doubt them/worry over their musical direction. This is exactly the kind of album they should've been making for years now. Even more so, perhaps.
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 24, 2003 19:44:33 GMT -5
Here are the latest stats
ROCK Chart Postion: *27 Spins: 122 (+3) Audience Impression: 0.320
ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion: *12 Spins: 1170 (+54) Audience Impression: 4.828
ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion: *15 Spins: 1497 (+119) Audinece Impression: 11.046
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 25, 2003 13:17:18 GMT -5
Here are the latest stats:
ROCK Chart Postion : 28 Spins: 120 (-4) Audience Impression : 0.315
It indeed looks bllek for Korn on the Rock fromat. It seems like "Right Now" will have to deal with a peak of 27 :(
ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion : *11 Spins: 1197 (+80) Audience Impression: 4.960
I have a bold prediction. Korn will strike top ten on this format before the last update of the week. With 10-8 all bulleted but gaining about 50 less spins than Korn. And at #7 we have Disturbed who are losing spins fast.
ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion : *15 Spins: 1497 (+95) Audience Impression: 11.195
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 26, 2003 19:04:57 GMT -5
Here are the latest stats: ROCK Chart Postion : 27 Spins : 119 (-9) Audience Impression : 0.306 ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion : *11 Spins: 1220 (+92) Audience Impression : 5.120 Look for Korn to crack the top ten on this format before the end of the week ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion : *15 Spins : 1510 (+89) Audience Impression : 11.386 So "Right Now" is all over on the Rock format. But still holding strong on AR and ALT
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 28, 2003 22:05:42 GMT -5
Latest stats for "Right Now" ROCK Chart Postion : *28 Spins : 131 (+7) Audience Impression : 0.367 ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion : *10 Spins : 1250 (+102) Audience Impression : 5.379 ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion : *15 Spins : 1512 (+69) Audience Impression : 11.327 Finally Korn reaches the top ten on Active Rock. It looks like they will still be moving up too!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 29, 2003 23:58:54 GMT -5
Latest stats for "Right Now"
ROCK Chart Postion : *28 Spins : 140 (+17) Audience Impression : 0.387
ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion : *09 Spins : 1267 (+121) Audience Impression : 5.564
ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion : *14 Spins : 1499 (+40) Audience Impression : 11.166
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Post by jond7699 on Dec 1, 2003 7:08:29 GMT -5
Latest stats for "Right Now"
ROCK Chart Postion : * 27 Spins : 140 (+19) Audience Impression : 0.451
ACTIVE ROCK Chart Postion : *08 Spins : 1279 (+118) Audience Impression : 5.725
ALTERNATIVE Chart Postion : 14 Spins : 1473 (- 4) Audience Impression : 10.705
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Post by SyrupBoy on Dec 1, 2003 9:09:54 GMT -5
Is there an echo in here?
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