Billboard Hot 100: 7/07/2018

[Enigma.]

There must be some

a) quality in the TS song
b) delusionality in this forum

when people here are STILL talking about it in a chart thread almost a year after it was a hit

[ahmiizafii]

So streaming week will end today according to pacific time or eastern time?

[Dylan :)]

Jun 26, 2018 1:36:05 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Jun 25, 2018 23:51:24 GMT -5 tanooki said:

I'll pray for a rock revival :/ 

Also, on the Rihanna conversation: how sure are you guys that she will do well this time around? I ask because she is an older artist and we've seen how older artists do...Idk, I just have a gut feeling she might be the next Katy Perry/Taylor Swift/Eminem/Justin Timberlake/Possibly the Carters (we'll see on that one). 

Rihanna could literally just fart for three minutes and that song would go number one. She is undoubtedly the biggest female streaming artist, radio LOVES her and I'm pretty sure she also the top selling artist from iTunes 

Everyone thought the same about Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift and yet here we are.. Rihanna in 2015 (outside of FourFiveSeconds which I would consider an under performer for her) did not do well. I'm not saying she will fail this era, but I don't know why there are people already predicting her to go to #1 when we don't even know if she has a song coming out, let alone what it sounds like.

Jun 26, 2018 11:05:47 GMT -5 Choco said:

Current Pandora top 10:

1. I Like It
2. Nice for What
3. Psycho
4. Lie (NF)
5. No Tears Left to Cry
6. Love Lies (Khalid and Normani)
7. Tequila (Dan + Shay)
8. Mercy (Brett Young)
9. Te Boté Remix
10. IDGAF (Dua Lipa)

A lot more variety than Spotify's top 10. Could be a promising change.

This could have a really nice shakeup on the Hot 100! Especially for Love Lies, which I wish was performing much better than it currently is

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I could totally see Rihanna embracing some of the soundcloud rappers and making them household names while getting Hot 100 hits without pop radio even touching her.

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Jun 28, 2018 5:30:34 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Jun 26, 2018 1:36:05 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Rihanna could literally just fart for three minutes and that song would go number one. She is undoubtedly the biggest female streaming artist, radio LOVES her and I'm pretty sure she also the top selling artist from iTunes 

Everyone thought the same about Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift and yet here we are.. Rihanna in 2015 (outside of FourFiveSeconds which I would consider an under performer for her) did not do well. I'm not saying she will fail this era, but I don't know why there are people already predicting her to go to #1 when we don't even know if she has a song coming out, let alone what it sounds like.

Jun 26, 2018 11:05:47 GMT -5 Choco said:

Current Pandora top 10:

1. I Like It
2. Nice for What
3. Psycho
4. Lie (NF)
5. No Tears Left to Cry
6. Love Lies (Khalid and Normani)
7. Tequila (Dan + Shay)
8. Mercy (Brett Young)
9. Te Boté Remix
10. IDGAF (Dua Lipa)

A lot more variety than Spotify's top 10. Could be a promising change.

This could have a really nice shakeup on the Hot 100! Especially for Love Lies, which I wish was performing much better than it currently is

Um lmao who said this about lady Gaga when ARTPOP is quite possibly the biggest flop of all time? 

Bitch Better Have My Money did well

[Enigma.]

I am possibly one of the biggest Gaga stans here and even I understand that Gaga related stuff has no place in this weeks thread.

Rihanna is also very irrelevant unless she's featured on a Drake track that comes out in 10 minutes.

[renaboss]

I wouldn't pass up on Rihanna's relevance just yet. We have to be realistic, she has a way of continuing to be a top 10 staple. Just last year she hit top 5 with a song ("Love on the Brain") that had no promotional release, that did very well literally because of how good it is, and she hit #2 with a recycled mess. Don't give me any "it was a DJ Khaled song". Khaled didn't make that song a hit, Rihanna did. She keeps up with the trends and helps set them, she keeps getting fresher and sexier, and her badass image helps her from becoming a guilty pleasure - meaning, it's cool to listen to Rihanna, whereas Taylor Swift is someone you listen to in your bedroom but are ashamed of blasting out to your friends.

She could flop this year, who knows. A year ago The Chainsmokers were riding high but this year oh welp. But I wouldn't count Rihanna out. As for that #1 song, to be honest, enough already, 14 is plenty for her.

[annoymous1]

The Chainsmokers Flopping was bound to happen anyways because after Closer became a #1 hit ( idk why that hit #1 because there was no way it was Hasley Impact.) They decided to be experimental for some odd reason and that rarely works( unless you're Rihanna ) out for some artists I think they should've stuck with the formula that got landed them in the top 10 or even #1 but anyways.

[Leo ✔]

I like to read the mess of this thread with a Cup of Coffee every morning.

[slw84]

Jun 28, 2018 7:15:49 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

The Chainsmokers Flopping was bound to happen anyways because after Closer became a #1 hit ( idk why that hit #1 because there was no way it was Hasley Impact.) They decided to be experimental for some odd reason and that rarely works( unless you're Rihanna ) out for some artists I think they should've stuck with the formula that got landed them in the top 10 or even #1 but anyways.

but even in Rihanna's case she didn't "experiment" shoutout to her team until after she established enough eras.

See, Meghan Trainor did the same thing Chainsmokers did. They had a unique sound and abandoned it because label heads thought it would work.

The secret to longevity is to establish 3 solid eras (reinventing yourself minimally) where the GP can identify you and then you take it to the next level and take risks. after 2-3 eras people will grow tired and want a change but not on your 2nd era.

nowadays everyone is doing features so people should just do a feature to see if a new sound works with the GP and follow through.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Jun 28, 2018 7:17:08 GMT -5 Leo ✔ said:

I like to read the mess of this thread with a Cup of Coffee every morning.

Although not quite yet as messy as last week's. Now if Sad!'s video release somehow results in it staying at #1, there's a chance it could get there.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/06/28
1. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (151.133) (-0.924)
2. (=) POST MALONE - Psycho f/Ty Dolla $ign (134.571) (-0.759)
3. (=) DRAKE - Nice For What (130.004) (-0.083)
4. (+1) TAYLOR SWIFT - Delicate (123.106) (+2.651)
5. (-1) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (121.583) (-1.426)
6. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - No Tears Left To Cry (120.185) (+1.331)
7. (=) SHAWN MENDES - In My Blood (111.425) (-0.089)
8. (=) BAZZI - Mine (105.082) (+0.769)
9. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (101.500) (-0.134)
10. (+1) CARDI B - I Like It (100.761) (+2.053)
11. (-1) DRAKE - God's Plan (99.850) (-0.981)
12. (=) MARSHMELLO & ANNE-MARIE - Friends (91.778) (+0.451)
13. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (81.269) (+0.605)
14. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (80.114) (-0.438)
15. (=) ELLA MAI - Boo'd Up (76.233) (-0.247)
16. (+2) MAROON 5 - Girls Like You (72.229) (+2.345)
17. (-1) LAUV - I Like Me Better (71.580) (+0.842)
18. (-1) DUA LIPA - New Rules (71.152) (+0.876)
19. (+1) DAN + SHAY - Tequila (67.504) (+0.948)
20. (-1) CARDI B - Be Careful (67.180) (+0.014)

Outside the Top 20:
23. (+1) KENNY CHESNEY - Get Along (61.425) (+1.067)
47. (+3) POST MALONE - Better Now (39.934) (+1.053)
50. (-3) DUA LIPA - IDGAF (38.389) (-1.873)
61. (+4) JASON ALDEAN - Drowns The Whiskey f/M.Lambert (32.511) (+1.047)

[chartslovergermany]

Delicate=biggest gainer :)
I Like it=Hit top 10
Love it :)

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Jun 28, 2018 5:30:34 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Jun 26, 2018 1:36:05 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Rihanna could literally just fart for three minutes and that song would go number one. She is undoubtedly the biggest female streaming artist, radio LOVES her and I'm pretty sure she also the top selling artist from iTunes 

Everyone thought the same about Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift and yet here we are.. Rihanna in 2015 (outside of FourFiveSeconds which I would consider an under performer for her) did not do well. I'm not saying she will fail this era, but I don't know why there are people already predicting her to go to #1 when we don't even know if she has a song coming out, let alone what it sounds like.

I always wonder how big of a lens people are looking through when it comes to thinking a certain artist can fart hits.  Pop stars tend to have hot streaks, yes, but the longer they're around, the more failures they will have.  Rihanna has had several failures in terms of singles not hitting (or not significantly, anyway) in the last 12 years or so.  And, as you mentioned, she had a few relatively recent singles that were dead on arrival. 

Everyone loses their youth-driven mainstream's "it" status at some point.  Rihanna may eventually be on the charts for as long as Madonna or Janet have, but, like those two, she's probably not going to continue to be the kind of force she's been (and currently is) for that much longer.  She may still score hits, but it won't be a given.  The same goes for her contemporaries who've already experienced an apparent downgrade in hit-making viability.  It can happen overnight, as we've all witnessed.

Rihanna still has a very cool, youthful vibe - and she's a crossover artist with urban credibility which is a good thing right now.  She's also coming off a successful era with a string of radio and streaming hits.  Signs point to her probably being in a good spot for her upcoming era, whether she's scores big on pop or not.  But it'll still come down to the music after the initial new era hype.



 

[Dylan :)]

Jun 28, 2018 7:03:50 GMT -5 renaboss said:

She could flop this year, who knows. A year ago The Chainsmokers were riding high but this year oh welp

That's what I meant Some people are (or appear to be, anyway) acting like she is set for a #1 debut despite her not announcing new music and us not hearing it. No one is guaranteed a #1 debut or a hit in general, even Rihanna. A perfect example being 2015 for Rihanna (compared to her other years, a huge underperformance, like Taylor now) and even Drake last year with Passionfruit doing nothing (or the DJ Khaled song) and Fake Love only doing okay by Drake standards

Jun 28, 2018 8:28:04 GMT -5 @mello said:

Jun 28, 2018 5:30:34 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Everyone thought the same about Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift and yet here we are.. Rihanna in 2015 (outside of FourFiveSeconds which I would consider an under performer for her) did not do well. I'm not saying she will fail this era, but I don't know why there are people already predicting her to go to #1 when we don't even know if she has a song coming out, let alone what it sounds like.

I always wonder how big of a lens people are looking through when it comes to thinking a certain artist can fart hits.  Pop stars tend to have hot streaks, yes, but the longer they're around, the more failures they will have.  Rihanna has had several failures in terms of singles not hitting (or not significantly, anyway) in the last 12 years or so.  And, as you mentioned, she had a few relatively recent singles that were dead on arrival.


Rihanna still has a very cool, youthful vibe - and she's a crossover artist with urban credibility which is a good thing right now.  She's also coming off a successful era with a string of radio and streaming hits.  Signs point to her probably being in a good spot for her upcoming era, whether she's scores big on pop or not.  But it'll still come down to the music after the initial new era hype.

Exactly. Rihanna is likely still to be huge but I feel (correct me if I am wrong) people said that exact same thing about Taylor before Look What You Made Me Do. I do not want to get into any argument of whether it was a hit or not, so lets just assume (and I believe it was) a hit - her era (single wise - she still performed great in terms of album sales and tour sales despite her tour tickets being very expensive) went downhill. Delicate is only just starting to save it and end it on a good note. This could easily happen to Rihanna. I'm not saying it will but some comments are making it seem like she is 110% guaranteed to be a huge success and will go #1. At first it didn't even look like Work would hit #1

[TakeMe]

Like I said before, the common trait between all the artists that’s flopping is that they “write” their music that ends up flopping.

Rihanna gets handing her music majority of the time.
As long as people keep giving her good music she’ll never flop.

[Choco]

Rihanna just had a #1 hit a couple of weeks ago. At the box office, sure, but irrelevant isn't a word I'd use with someone who's actively working at the moment, even if it's not on music.

Rihanna has never had a #1 debut. Usually her songs take time to connect with a bigger audience, and I don't expect that to change. She came very close with WT, only being blocked by Despacito which was obviously a huge thing at the time.

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Jun 28, 2018 8:41:43 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Like I said before, the common trait between all the artists that’s flopping is that they “write” their music that ends up flopping.

Rihanna gets handing her music majority of the time.
As long as people keep giving her good music she’ll never flop.

No shade to you being 18, but give yourself another 10-20 years, and you'll have a better understanding of how things work.  Rihanna isn't immune, and will fall off.  Everyone does, regardless of who writes their material.

I too once thought people like Madonna and Janet would never flop, and they've basically always had a hand in the writing and/or production process, so that's not necessarily a thing.  It just happens at some point.  It's generational.

[TakeMe]

Jun 28, 2018 8:48:26 GMT -5 @mello said:

Jun 28, 2018 8:41:43 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Like I said before, the common trait between all the artists that’s flopping is that they “write” their music that ends up flopping.

Rihanna gets handing her music majority of the time.
As long as people keep giving her good music she’ll never flop.

No shade to you being 18, but give yourself another 10-20 years, and you'll have a better understanding of how things work.  Rihanna isn't immune, and will fall off.  Everyone does, regardless of who writes their material.

I too once thought people like Madonna and Janet would never flop, and they've basically always had a hand in the writing and/or production process, so that's not necessarily a thing.  It just happens at some point.  It's generational.

Well common sense she’s not immune to flopping. 2015 pretty much proved that. Don’t think my age has anything to do with it.
I’m well aware all artists have their time when they just stop being relevant to the public.
Thing with Madonna and Janet is that while they had a hand in their music, they usually had top writing credit in nearly everything they released. Oh and in Janets case, her flopping was just a unfair result of the 2004 controversy.
Rihanna pretty much always gets handed music to her written by other people. That’s why I choose to believe that it’ll be a good while before she ever truly flops like any of the artists who released music within the past 12 months.

[ddlz]

Almost all producers write their hits with Rihanna in their mind. She just has that cool factor (and golden voice made for hits) that other pop stars don't have. She's going nowhere.

Jun 28, 2018 5:30:34 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Jun 26, 2018 1:36:05 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Rihanna could literally just fart for three minutes and that song would go number one. She is undoubtedly the biggest female streaming artist, radio LOVES her and I'm pretty sure she also the top selling artist from iTunes 

Rihanna in 2015 (outside of FourFiveSeconds which I would consider an under performer for her) did not do well.

Rihanna can afford the luxury of turning down the monster hits such as Lean On and Cheap Thrills to experiment a little. Even Shape of You was originally written for her. Safe hits will always be there, waiting for her.

[TakeMe]

The SAD! Music Video is blowing up! Never seen a video where the number of likes nearly matches the number of views in a video before, and the number of comments when the video has only been out for an hour!
Think this dude will be at number one for a second week, just given all of this attention he’s getting.

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

I may somehow confused in the concept of the music video, but that one alone guarantees SAD! a second week at the Hot 100. Unlikely is getting a 3-week run.

[ddlz]

XXXtentacion's video already has like 600k likes

[chartslovergermany]

The song doesn't even have 500k views and is having over 600k likes.
Very strange

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Jun 28, 2018 8:55:04 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Jun 28, 2018 8:48:26 GMT -5 @mello said:

No shade to you being 18, but give yourself another 10-20 years, and you'll have a better understanding of how things work.  Rihanna isn't immune, and will fall off.  Everyone does, regardless of who writes their material.

I too once thought people like Madonna and Janet would never flop, and they've basically always had a hand in the writing and/or production process, so that's not necessarily a thing.  It just happens at some point.  It's generational.

Well common sense she’s not immune to flopping. 2015 pretty much proved that. Don’t think my age has anything to do with it.
I’m well aware all artists have their time when they just stop being relevant to the public.
Thing with Madonna and Janet is that while they had a hand in their music, they usually had top writing credit in nearly everything they released. Oh and in Janets case, her flopping was just a unfair result of the 2004 controversy.
Rihanna pretty much always gets handed music to her written by other people. That’s why I choose to believe that it’ll be a good while before she ever truly flops like any of the artists who released music within the past 12 months.

I don't totally disagree with you on that.  But - you used the word "never" when you apparently meant "good while".  Your initial comment was pretty cut and dried, and now your response makes more sense, and everything I said is apparently common sense to you.  As for your age, sometimes knowledge is one thing, and experience is another.  Our point of view can change and expand as we experience more, that's all.  

As for Rihanna writing things, she's credited on most of her recent hits, so I'm not really sure I agree with your there.  I understand she isn't credited as lead writer, but sometimes a major writing credit is misleading as well.  Not all of the songs she was "handed" were hits, and not all the hits she helped write were hits either.  This is why I don't think that's necessarily a factor in career longevity on the charts.  It's more generational in my opinion.  But again, that's based on my own experience of observing it over the decades.  To each our own.

Anyway, this off topic.  Good chat.

[TakeMe]

Jun 28, 2018 9:38:38 GMT -5 @mello said:

Jun 28, 2018 8:55:04 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Well common sense she’s not immune to flopping. 2015 pretty much proved that. Don’t think my age has anything to do with it.
I’m well aware all artists have their time when they just stop being relevant to the public.
Thing with Madonna and Janet is that while they had a hand in their music, they usually had top writing credit in nearly everything they released. Oh and in Janets case, her flopping was just a unfair result of the 2004 controversy.
Rihanna pretty much always gets handed music to her written by other people. That’s why I choose to believe that it’ll be a good while before she ever truly flops like any of the artists who released music within the past 12 months.

I don't totally disagree with you on that.  But - you used the word "never" when you apparently meant "good while".  Your initial comment was pretty cut and dried, and now your response makes more sense, and everything I said is apparently common sense to you.  As for your age, sometimes knowledge is one thing, and experience is another.  Our point of view can change and expand as we experience more, that's all.  

As for Rihanna writing things, she's credited on most of her recent hits, so I'm not really sure I agree with your there.  I understand she isn't credited as lead writer, but sometimes a major writing credit is misleading as well.  Not all of the songs she was "handed" were hits, and not all the hits she helped write were hits either.  This is why I don't think that's necessarily a factor in career longevity on the charts.  It's more generational in my opinion.  But again, that's based on my own experience of observing it over the decades.  To each our own.

Anyway, this off topic.  Good chat.

🤔I’ve experienced a lot. Thank you👋🏽
As for the credit thing, Rihanna is known for getting handed material rather than taking it upon herself to actually “write” majority or all of said material.
Not every song an artist receives or writes is going to be a hit like you said, but having the advantage of various people giving you songs is definitely something that will help keep you on the charts for years to come.
I meant “never” as in she’ll never flop like her peers did within the past couple of months, if anything I believe she’ll “flop” the natural way which will be due to her getting older, and people moving on to younger artists.
I believe she’ll never flop because her albums/singles are terrible.
Have a nice day😊

[Keelzit]

X's video is already breaking the internet. The concept is pretty much a sum up of his life. It's like he knew he was about to die when he shot it.

[Mayman]

Jun 28, 2018 9:37:00 GMT -5 chartslovergermany said:

The song doesn't even have 500k views and is having over 600k likes.
Very strange

Usually when a popular video drops, the YouTube views are slowly updated since it is getting a lot of clicks. It will show the correct amount of views soon.

[TakeMe]

Jun 28, 2018 9:14:59 GMT -5 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 said:

I may somehow confused in the concept of the music video, but that one alone guarantees SAD! a second week at the Hot 100. Unlikely is getting a 3-week run.

I think the concept is just him facing and dealing with his demons one last time.
Kinda weird however that he’s doing the same thing in the video that he’s known for doing in real life...but whatever.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Regardless, new the video views will likely keep Sad! at #1. I think for a view to count it would need to last at least 30 seconds.