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Post by marc980 on Jul 16, 2018 14:44:14 GMT -5
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Post by iHype. on Jul 16, 2018 14:45:13 GMT -5
Depends on the definition of "single" or definition on non-single/album track As there is no clear definition and no one really tracks that outside of threads such as this, I doubt that distinction would have been bestowed on the song by an industry article anyway Every song that has topped the Hot 100 has definitely been released as a single. I don't think that's an opinion thing. They all were promoted to radio individually, announced as a single by their label, and/or had a physical single release. I would like to see any #1 be argued as a non-single with a solid argument/evidence. Nonstop had no radio release, nor label announcement as a single. |
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Post by rickroller on Jul 16, 2018 14:48:48 GMT -5
I'm craving the fast death of SAD!
That song is just annoying now.
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Post by lazer on Jul 16, 2018 14:53:27 GMT -5
Oh man! Better Now at #10 was much better :(
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 16, 2018 14:55:31 GMT -5
Why is "Like" atop the Summer Songs chart?
I always forget how huge the difference between Radio Songs and Mediabase/whatever is; a 40 million difference for "Like" this past week?!?!
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Post by hot100predictions on Jul 16, 2018 14:57:19 GMT -5
Post must really not have anytime on his hands, no MV and ofc no shower either, lol. It’s ok when Ariana performs GIAW at the VMAs, it’ll go number 1 on the Hot 100. She deserves, since she is better than Post Malone.
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Post by hot100predictions on Jul 16, 2018 14:57:46 GMT -5
Why is "Like" atop the Summer Songs chart? I always forget how huge the difference between Radio Songs and Mediabase/whatever is; a 40 million difference for "Like" this past week?!?! ”i hate it like that” |
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2018 15:03:36 GMT -5
Depends on the definition of "single" or definition on non-single/album track As there is no clear definition and no one really tracks that outside of threads such as this, I doubt that distinction would have been bestowed on the song by an industry article anyway Every song that has topped the Hot 100 has definitely been released as a single. I don't think that's an opinion thing. They all were promoted to radio individually, announced as a single by their label, and/or had a physical single release. I would like to see any #1 be argued as a non-single with a solid argument/evidence. Nonstop had no radio release, nor label announcement as a single. Radio doesn't drive the charts anymore, or at least is a relative non-factor I could argue, any song that can be streamed or purchased is a "single" Back in the days before itunes, that actually was the definition. Anyway, whether it is a radio-single, advanced-single, promotional single, blah-blah-blah, it is still a "single" Due to that "grey area", I believe what is called a "single" or not is an opinion Regardless, on a SONGS chart, which this chart has been for 20 years, this is irrelevant anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 15:04:12 GMT -5
No Tears Left To Cry is way better than God Is A Woman. Idk why a lot of people prefer GIAW over it. I found GIAW boring a bit.
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Post by chartslovergermany on Jul 16, 2018 15:04:36 GMT -5
Post must really not have anytime on his hands, no MV and ofc no shower either, lol. It’s ok when Ariana performs GIAW at the VMAs, it’ll go number 1 on the Hot 100. She deserves, since she is better than Mariah Carey and Post Malone. i love ariana,but Mariah is better and one of the divas like withney houston |
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Post by fhas on Jul 16, 2018 15:04:53 GMT -5
Post must really not have anytime on his hands, no MV and ofc no shower either, lol. It’s ok when Ariana performs GIAW at the VMAs, it’ll go number 1 on the Hot 100. She deserves, since she is better than Mariah Carey and Post Malone. |
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Post by kanfad on Jul 16, 2018 15:06:56 GMT -5
Post must really not have anytime on his hands, no MV and ofc no shower either, lol. It’s ok when Ariana performs GIAW at the VMAs, it’ll go number 1 on the Hot 100. She deserves, since she is better than Mariah Carey and Post Malone. So much to unpack here |
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Post by iHype. on Jul 16, 2018 15:07:21 GMT -5
Every song that has topped the Hot 100 has definitely been released as a single. I don't think that's an opinion thing. They all were promoted to radio individually, announced as a single by their label, and/or had a physical single release. I would like to see any #1 be argued as a non-single with a solid argument/evidence. Nonstop had no radio release, nor label announcement as a single. Anyway, whether it is a radio-single, advanced-single, promotional single, blah-blah-blah, it is still a "single" Due to that "grey area", I believe what is called a "single" or not is an opinion
There's no way you could argue Nonstop was a single last week in any form. Simply being released online is not a single.... |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Jul 16, 2018 15:07:50 GMT -5
Post must really not have anytime on his hands, no MV and ofc no shower either, lol. It’s ok when Ariana performs GIAW at the VMAs, it’ll go number 1 on the Hot 100. She deserves, since she is better than Mariah Carey and Post Malone. I am confusion |
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Post by korbel16 on Jul 16, 2018 15:09:28 GMT -5
Post must really not have anytime on his hands, no MV and ofc no shower either, lol. It’s ok when Ariana performs GIAW at the VMAs, it’ll go number 1 on the Hot 100. She deserves, since she is better than Mariah Carey and Post Malone. doing a bit too much here.. |
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Post by hot100predictions on Jul 16, 2018 15:14:18 GMT -5
OF THIS ERA PEOPLE! Mariah is ofc the queen of the 90s and early 00s, just like Madonna and Whitney were the 80s and early 90s. Taylor, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Katy and Ariana of this era 00s/10s, all very big pop artists. Miswrote that.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 16, 2018 15:14:36 GMT -5
Cardi B is winning.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 16, 2018 15:17:11 GMT -5
Every song that has topped the Hot 100 has definitely been released as a single. I don't think that's an opinion thing. They all were promoted to radio individually, announced as a single by their label, and/or had a physical single release. I would like to see any #1 be argued as a non-single with a solid argument/evidence. Nonstop had no radio release, nor label announcement as a single. Radio doesn't drive the charts anymore, or at least is a relative non-factor I could argue, any song that can be streamed or purchased is a "single" Back in the days before itunes, that actually was the definition. Anyway, whether it is a radio-single, advanced-single, promotional single, blah-blah-blah, it is still a "single" Due to that "grey area", I believe what is called a "single" or not is an opinion Regardless, on a SONGS chart, which this chart has been for 20 years, this is irrelevant anyway. "Back in the day" being key because, at that time, not anything and everything could be purchased on its own so any song released for sale meant having a commercial single. We can argue over the true specifics, but I don't think anyone can deny that in a general sense "singles" are still a thing. Almost no major artist just releases an album without specifically promoting specific songs. We still see songs promoted to radio, songs that have a video filmed, songs performed on various talk shows, etc. If a song hasn't received any actual promotion, I don't see how it can be a "single" just because it's up for sale as part of an album. That is still fairly clear. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2018 15:19:34 GMT -5
Anyway, whether it is a radio-single, advanced-single, promotional single, blah-blah-blah, it is still a "single" Due to that "grey area", I believe what is called a "single" or not is an opinion
There's no way you could argue Nonstop was a single last week in any form. Simply being released online is not a single.... It is something that can be purchased or streamed as a stand-alone SINGLE song However, I accept your opinion on what a single is - as an opinion. If you want to use radio to drive your analysis of the charts - I applaud an encourage that. I don't necessarily do that myself, in part because radio is not a big driver of this chart anymore. I could also accept that a "single" does not actually exist. We are not discussing a "singles" chart anyway, probably because of this reason. |
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Post by iHype. on Jul 16, 2018 15:26:38 GMT -5
But Nonstop is none of those. This argument would make sense if it was claimed to be a 'promo single' or something, but it wasn't even that.
There's no way you could argue Nonstop was a single last week in any form. Simply being released online is not a single.... It is something that can be purchased or streamed as a stand-alone SINGLE song Well if you have to reach this far to make it a single, I think that says enough on whether it was an actual single or not... |
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2018 15:32:21 GMT -5
It is something that can be purchased or streamed as a stand-alone SINGLE song Well if you have to reach this far to make it a single, I think that says enough on whether it was an actual single or not... Not the main point of the post but OK I recognize and understand what you are saying ---- only songs that get promoted to radio are "singles" OK how about this? How much promotion? How much airplay? Does it need a certain number of spins? How is this measured? What is the threshold for a song to move from the category of "album track" to "single"? My point is there is an "opinion" factor here somewhere Regardless --- A "non-single/album track" hitting #1 would be a noteworthy distinction for threads like this but, probably would not be written up in an industry website because the Hot 100 is not a "singles" chart |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 16, 2018 15:32:27 GMT -5
But Nonstop is none of those. This argument would make sense if it was claimed to be a 'promo single' or something, but it wasn't even that.
There's no way you could argue Nonstop was a single last week in any form. Simply being released online is not a single.... It is something that can be purchased or streamed as a stand-alone SINGLE song And when CDs were invented, any song from an album could be played as a SINGLE song. Does that mean singles didn't exist in the late 80s and 90s either? |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 16, 2018 15:40:00 GMT -5
I wonder when they’re going to release the music video for “Ball for Me”. It was teased by Nicki Minaj last month. Or for Rich and Sad. Looks like they picked the wrong songs to bet on early on A music video has been shot for Rich And Sad? |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 16, 2018 15:42:11 GMT -5
Drake was shooting a Nonstop video in London the other day. It's gonna be a single. Remember the Drake that refused to make music videos for his last album. Here we are with minimum 5 videos from the album and possibly 6 if "Don't Matter To Me" gets one. |
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Post by iHype. on Jul 16, 2018 15:42:39 GMT -5
Well if you have to reach this far to make it a single, I think that says enough on whether it was an actual single or not... Not the main point of the post but OK I recognize and understand what you are saying ---- only songs that get promoted to radio are "singles" OK how about this? How much promotion? How much airplay? Does it need a certain number of spins? How is this measured? What is the threshold for a song to move from the category of "album track" to "single"? My point is there is an "opinion" factor here somewhere Regardless --- A "non-single/album track" hitting #1 would be a noteworthy distinction for threads like this but, probably would not be written up in an industry website because the Hot 100 is not a "singles" chart It wasn't just being released to radio that makes something a single, but also being addressed as a single by the artist/label. If he goes on Twitter and announces he is releasing a new single tomorrow, then it's safe to say that's regarded as a single, even if it doesn't become anything on radio. And yes, some aspects with singles are opinionated, but then there's just common sense. A hit song is an opinion that varies, however a song going #1 for 40 weeks and going 35x Platinum would objectively be a hit to 99.9% of people. A song that hasn't been released to radio, wasn't released on it's own, has absolutely no push, and is literally just a song apart of an album would not be a single to 99.9% of the music industry. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Jul 16, 2018 15:43:46 GMT -5
I don't like the singles Post chose for B&B. I wouldn't have chosen Ball For Me because I find it kind of boring. I would have done:
1. rockstar
*Candy Paint as a promotional single
2. Psycho
3. Better Now (after Psycho started to go down, the week before album release)
*album release*
4. Spoil My Night
5. Paranoid
6. Rich & Sad
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Post by kanfad on Jul 16, 2018 15:46:04 GMT -5
Or for Rich and Sad. Looks like they picked the wrong songs to bet on early on A music video has been shot for Rich And Sad? Oh shit sorry, meant to say Spoil My Night. I remember seeing a pic of him and Swae shooting the vid just after b&b was released |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 16, 2018 15:51:56 GMT -5
A music video has been shot for Rich And Sad? Oh s**t sorry, meant to say Spoil My Night. I remember seeing a pic of him and Swae shooting the vid just after b&b was released Oh, I think that would make a good single later on this year. While we're on this topic, here would be my picks for BB&B. 1. Rockstar 2. Psycho 3. Better Now (pop/rhythmic) 4. Paranoid (pop/rhythmic) 5. Rich & Sad (pop/rhythmic) 6. Spoil My Night (pop/rhythmic/urban) 7. Ball For Me (rhythmic/urban then cross over to pop if successful on other formats) |
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2018 15:52:40 GMT -5
Not the main point of the post but OK I recognize and understand what you are saying ---- only songs that get promoted to radio are "singles" OK how about this? How much promotion? How much airplay? Does it need a certain number of spins? How is this measured? What is the threshold for a song to move from the category of "album track" to "single"? My point is there is an "opinion" factor here somewhere Regardless --- A "non-single/album track" hitting #1 would be a noteworthy distinction for threads like this but, probably would not be written up in an industry website because the Hot 100 is not a "singles" chart It wasn't just being released to radio that makes something a single, but also being addressed as a single by the artist/label. If he goes on Twitter and announces he is releasing a new single tomorrow, then it's safe to say that's regarded as a single, even if it doesn't become anything on radio. And yes, some aspects with singles are opinionated, but then there's just common sense. A hit song is an opinion that varies, however a song going #1 for 40 weeks and going 35x Platinum would objectively be a hit to 99.9% of people. A song that hasn't been released to radio, wasn't released on it's own, has absolutely no push, and is literally just a song apart of an album would not be a single to 99.9% of the music industry. I have nothing more on this subject. Except I respect your opinion |
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Post by House Lannister on Jul 16, 2018 16:01:02 GMT -5
I thought I was Better Now, but now I'm just Sad!
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