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Post by collegedropout on Jul 14, 2018 10:21:33 GMT -5
What do you think is the weakest song that won SOTY at the Grammys. Taking into account the actual song from a songwriting perspective (lyrics, melody). Don't look at chart success, if a more deserving song lost, your opinion of the artist, how many writers wrote it, whether it's iconic or not, etc. Just the actual songwriting. Lets look at the winners of this century:
2000 Smooth
2001 Beautiful Day
2002 Fallin
2003 Don't Know Why
2004 Dance With My Father
2005 Daughters
2006 Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
2007 Not Read To Make Nice
2008 Rehab
2009 Viva La Vida
2010 Single Ladies
2011 Need You Now
2012 Rolling In The Deep
2013 We Are Young
2014 Royals
2015 Stay With Me
2016 Thinking Out Loud
2017 Hello
2018 That's What I Like
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Post by collegedropout on Jul 14, 2018 10:22:13 GMT -5
I've seen a lot of people on various forums name "Single Ladies" as the weakest example of songwriting. So I'm curious to hear what others feel.
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Post by when the pawn... on Jul 14, 2018 10:36:49 GMT -5
I'd rank them as such, in terms of songwriting. The song is parenthesis is the nominated song that "should have" won that year
1 Rehab
2 Not Ready to Make Nice
3 Rolling in the Deep (All of the Lights but this is fine)
4 Royals
5 Hello (this or Formation)
6 Fallin
7 Viva la Vida
8 Smooth (Unpretty)
9 Single Ladies (Poker Face)
10 Need You Now (this or F**k You)
11 Beautiful Day (Say My Name)
12 We Are Young (Call Me Maybe)
13 Don't Know Why (A Thousand Miles)
14 Thinking Out Loud (Alrght)
15 Sometimes You Can't Make it On Your Own (Ordinary People)
16 That's What I Like (horrible set of nominees, I don't know)
17 Daughters (Jesus Walks)
18 Dance with my Father (Lose Yourself)
19 Stay With Me (Chandelier)
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Jul 14, 2018 11:22:37 GMT -5
Strongest
Thinking Out Loud
Rehab
Rolling in the Deep
Weakest
Single Ladies
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Post by irice22 on Jul 14, 2018 14:02:57 GMT -5
"Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own"
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Post by Zach on Jul 14, 2018 14:12:32 GMT -5
The weakest in terms of songwriting in my opinion are easily Single Ladies and Stay with Me. All the others are great songs from a songwriting perspective. Stay with Me is decent as a song and is a pretty good record given Sam's performance. Single Ladies... uhh... idk why that's there.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 14, 2018 21:25:40 GMT -5
Definitely Single Ladies.
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Post by mkarns on Jul 14, 2018 22:13:34 GMT -5
None of these are bad, though "Dance With My Father" may have been overrated due to sentiment (Luther was incapacitated due to a stroke at the time, and died a year later). And while I think the attacks on the Dixie Chicks for criticizing the Almighty Dubya were total BS, I think giving them Song, Record, and Album of the Year was a bit much.
But a decent case can be made for all of these, even if I would have personally voted for others. Regarding "Single Ladies", I'd have voted for "Use Somebody" on that ballot, but the Beyonce song is fine and arguably iconic, even though one can argue it wasn't really one of 2009's best (as opposed to most popular or meme-worthy) songs.
Before 2000, some of the weaker choices IMO are "You Light Up My Life" (not bad, but geez, 10 weeks at #1? Talk about overrated); "Don't Worry Be Happy" (basically a novelty hit that got old fast); "Unforgettable" (classic song, but songs written 40 years earlier really shouldn't be picked even if they became hits again that year); and "My Heart Will Go On" (another that quickly fell into the "ENOUGH ALREADY!" file)
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 14, 2018 22:19:35 GMT -5
I actually find a lot of these to be poor, especially lyrically.
I'm surprised at all of the hate for "Single Ladies." The line "If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it" is more iconic than the writing in most if not all of the other winners.
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Post by elementd5 on Jul 14, 2018 22:27:29 GMT -5
Lol, oh Singe Ladies.
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Post by MoD on Jul 15, 2018 1:09:19 GMT -5
Single Ladies or TWIL imo
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Post by Naos on Jul 15, 2018 2:45:41 GMT -5
"Single Ladies" definitely. Probably followed by "That's What I Like", then "Stay With Me".
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Post by collegedropout on Jul 15, 2018 9:47:05 GMT -5
I actually find a lot of these to be poor, especially lyrically. I'm surprised at all of the hate for "Single Ladies." The line "If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it" is more iconic than the writing in most if not all of the other winners. Yeah that line is iconic but I find the lyrics the most basic of all the nominees and melody the weakest. Still a great record though but it's mostly the production and vocal that take it there. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 15, 2018 9:56:40 GMT -5
I actually find a lot of these to be poor, especially lyrically. I'm surprised at all of the hate for "Single Ladies." The line "If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it" is more iconic than the writing in most if not all of the other winners. Yeah that line is iconic but I find the lyrics the most basic of all the nominees and melody the weakest. Still a great record though but it's mostly the production and vocal that take it there. I agree with all that you said and was surprised "SL" was in Song and "Halo" in Record, but between that iconic line and also the general construction of the song I don't fully hate the win. Plus, that type of song rarely wins, so it was a nice surprise. I actually liked that entire group of nominees. |
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Post by Bwol on Jul 15, 2018 10:13:47 GMT -5
Single Ladies without batting an eye
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Post by House Lannister on Jul 15, 2018 10:14:31 GMT -5
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
Then maybe Stay With Me (in the same year as Take Me to Church).
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Post by Grün on Jul 15, 2018 10:38:09 GMT -5
I'll go with Thinking Out Loud. It is a cutesy wedding song, but not much more. I think he has much better songwriting in his trajectory.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 15, 2018 18:17:44 GMT -5
Single Ladies and TWIL
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 20, 2018 14:23:55 GMT -5
Single Ladies, just like every other Beyonce Grammy.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 14:40:57 GMT -5
Single Ladies is a great record, but it's not a great song - at least in the way that the Grammys typically uses those terms. Four people were able to make a catchy jam with some catchphrases, but if I strip it down to just the lyric, it doesn't stack up. It's more about the production and Beyonce's sass than the songwriting, for me anyway.
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Post by Ty on Jul 20, 2018 21:47:47 GMT -5
"Stay With Me" or "That's What I Like".
People, educate yourself about Urban music before you dragged the hell out of "Single Ladies"!"
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jul 31, 2018 20:15:08 GMT -5
Single Ladies, should have been nominated in Record of the Year and not Song of the Year and won there. Really trite and meh song writing.
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Post by blanksnake17 on Aug 1, 2018 23:35:34 GMT -5
Tbh hello the lyrics are fine but not anything new
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Post by collegedropout on Aug 2, 2018 10:14:20 GMT -5
Tbh hello the lyrics are fine but not anything new But is it really the worst example of songwriting in this list? Don't forget the melody. |
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Post by blanksnake17 on Aug 2, 2018 16:28:35 GMT -5
Tbh hello the lyrics are fine but not anything new But is it really the worst example of songwriting in this list? Don't forget the melody. Tbh its on par with single ladies |
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Post by ur local neighborhood dbender on Aug 2, 2018 18:00:36 GMT -5
I won't say it based on quality but on success. I don't think TWIL is suitable for SOTY considering it never hit #1.
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Post by stunnedout on Aug 3, 2018 2:25:11 GMT -5
I actually find a lot of these to be poor, especially lyrically. I'm surprised at all of the hate for "Single Ladies." The line "If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it" is more iconic than the writing in most if not all of the other winners.The accuracy. |
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Aug 3, 2018 2:53:09 GMT -5
I won't say it based on quality but on success. I don't think TWIL is suitable for SOTY considering it never hit #1. Uh... It did though lol. |
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Post by ur local neighborhood dbender on Aug 3, 2018 11:12:45 GMT -5
I won't say it based on quality but on success. I don't think TWIL is suitable for SOTY considering it never hit #1. Uh... It did though lol. Really? Well then, major mistake on my part. |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Aug 28, 2018 20:17:20 GMT -5
I actually find a lot of these to be poor, especially lyrically. I'm surprised at all of the hate for "Single Ladies." The line "If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it" is more iconic than the writing in most if not all of the other winners.The accuracy. Sure but does that mean it’s well-written? Is that not what this award is for? I don’t agree it’s the weakest but I agree that it’s a good *record*, not a great *song* and should have won the former category if anything. |
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